California Gov Signs pay for play bill...

FiatLux · Post by **FiatLux** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:19 pm

This will Rack !

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1178669569373814786

https://twitter.com/WSJSports/status/11 ... 474104320

Chaos is awesome.

Ban Kierfag · Post by **Ban Kierfag** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:21 pm

As a result the NCAA is going to ban every university in California that pays it's athletes.

Creates an UNFAIR recruiting advantage....

Hahahahahahhahahahahahaahahaha

ALL California schools BANNED from the NCAA!

Good job, dumbocunts!

everything they touch turns to SHIT!

FiatLux · Post by **FiatLux** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:25 pm

Ban Kierfag wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:21 pm Creates an UNFAIR recruiting advantage...

The SEC is starting to panic. Now kids don't have to spend 4 years in a swamp to get paid.

Why you hate capitalism, free markets, and property rights ?

This is actually the rare instance where the CA government is doing something right.

https://twitter.com/SFGate/status/1178682695884263426

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:50 pm

I am against this. There are very few athletes that will actually have their image used commercially in such large ads that it will garner any real money.

Will these athletes be allowed to pose in their school uniforms? What is the value of the school uniform vs the players face? Does the player have any marketability outside of his team’s uniform?

Further this is an NCAA violation waiting to happen. Some guy owns his own company and decides to put up billboards all over California with each member of the USC football team on them. The players are then due a fee for the use of their likeness. No issues with this model at all.

Then there is the Title IX issue. Men’s football and basketball players might get some coin. But what do they get paid when women’s swimming and field hockey get nothing? That won’t survive a Title IX lawsuit.

I do see other states waiting to see how this plays out before the 2023 implementation. If it somehow works out other states will quickly follow. But I think the NCAA removes CA schools from post season consideration. If that happens it will kill athletic programs at most CA colleges.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:53 pm

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:22 pm Translation for Califagnia:

Our teams suck so badly now, that we're openly going to have to pay them to come here. We know we can't keep up with the others legally.

California has shitty teams. So why are you crying so loudly?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:12 pm

I am for this, and was surprisingly, about to rack Gavin.

Then some good points were made. The NCAA will never stand for this and tell him to fuck the fuck off.

I would like to see the NCAA get onboard and implement this nationwide.

I would actually go further and allow them to be paid. These kids sacrifice their bodies for a free education.

The large majority will never see a down in the NFL. And a substantial number will not receive an education worth a damn.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:39 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:12 pm I am for this, and was surprisingly, about to rack Gavin.

Then some good points were made. The NCAA will never stand for this and tell him to fuck the fuck off.

I would like to see the NCAA get onboard and implement this nationwide.

I would actually go further and allow them to be paid. These kids sacrifice their bodies for a free education.

The large majority will never see a down in the NFL. And a substantial number will not receive an education worth a damn.

This is the beginning of end for the NCAA. It will never survive litigation of this.

Ed O'Bannon out front should have told you.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:11 pm

Screwy might be right but what we will then have is 50 programs that pay players. These schools will compete among themselves. The remaining programs will go to an FCS style model. The NCAA will not oversee the 50 schools but will continue with all the others.

The greed of an Ed Obannon will kill college athletics as we know it.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:16 pm

Greed, huh. Pretty rich coming from a self-professed capitalist conservative such as yourself.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:38 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:16 pm Greed, huh. Pretty rich coming from a self-professed capitalist conservative such as yourself.

BrokenPsyche is a dick.

Ban Kierfag · Post by **Ban Kierfag** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:01 am

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:16 pm Greed, huh. Pretty rich coming from a self-professed capitalist conservative such as yourself.

You can't have one State paying college athletes and the other 49 not paying college athletes.....that would create an UNFAIR recruiting advantage to California schools.

This is going to EXPLODE because the NCAA will have to ban California schools from the NCAA....no doubt a few other libtard States will join Califagia and now it's going all the way to the Supreme Court.

Everything is getting BLOWN UP because of libtards....

Libtards are a cancer and they need a heavy dose of Chemo to destroy them!

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:21 am

Wouldn't it just be easier for the colleges to simply not allow sales of names or numbers on the school's gear ??
My brother had a "full boat" to Penn State for football back in the early 1960's. He was "paid" tuition, room and board, books, and $15 a month for "laundry". Not sure what it is today, but making a little raise in the "laundry" should help anyone playing whether they were stars or not.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:25 am

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:16 pm Greed, huh. Pretty rich coming from a self-professed capitalist conservative such as yourself.

Yes Greed. Players like myself who couldn’t afford school without crushing debt have an opportunity for a free education. We received free tuition, free food, free books, free clothes, free swag and on and on.

Don’t lose site of the fact most college athletes aren’t going pro. The education is extremely valuable even if they don’t see it that way. Don’t want the free education, don’t take the scholarship.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:40 am

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:25 am
Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:16 pm Greed, huh. Pretty rich coming from a self-professed capitalist conservative such as yourself.
Yes Greed. Players like myself who couldn’t afford school without crushing debt have an opportunity for a free education. We received free tuition, free food, free books, free clothes, free swag and on and on.

Don’t lose site of the fact most college athletes aren’t going pro. The education is extremely valuable even if they don’t see it that way. Don’t want the free education, don’t take the scholarship.

I don’t see how that’s at all relevant to the subject of the thread.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:02 am

You are smarter than this Mikey. Players are already receiving compensation in the form of free tuition and room and board for starters. Then they get a ton of other free things. If they don’t like the compensation schedule or terms they are under no obligation to accept the scholarship.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:24 am

About 7 or 8 years I ago I had numerous protracted flame wars in the College Football Forum here with many multiple 'tards who just couldn't stomach my OBVIOUS take that D-I college football and basketball are ridiculous farces.

The obvious reason (that 'tards could not accept) was (and is) that when you tune in to a game on Saturday afternoon you have no idea which players are being paid under the table, and which schools are cheating for players, academically, etc.

A reasonable person knows that such things are occurring, and maybe in widespread fashion, but can't exactly identify it.
It is all murky.
You don't know for sure which schools are cheating the best, most discretely, most overwhelmingly...

So just know (or you SHOULD know, if you don't choose to be a blatant moron, that the whole thing is a sham.

The competitive landscape is askew, but it so askew that you are not even able to identify exactly how askew it is.

And Mr. Dumbshit fan tunes in, waves his school colors around, and acts like it is legitimate competition.

rotf...

It is a competitive farce, you fucking idiots.

rah, rah, sis boom bah!!

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:00 am

Where. To. Even. Begin.

OK, I'll start with the people (note, "people" is plural) with the "CALIFORNIA SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO PAY PLAYERS!!!!"

Uhm... are you capable of reading at a third-grade level? Since that topic didn't come up in this subject. Merely marketing their name and likeness -- so, anyone can pay them except the schools. Ignorant tools.

Next...

Left Seater wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:11 pm The greed of an Ed Obannon will kill college athletics as we know it.

While I don't always agree with Lefty, he usually offers a well-reasoned take, be it in defense of the free market, or in defense of his annual drive-by slaughter of beaner kids on Halloween (or whatever he does)...

So, Lefty, care to outline Ed O'Bannon's "greed" for us? Like, how much did he pocket from his suit?

Nevermind, I'll save you the trouble -- he finished in the hole, and didn't make a dime. Poorly executed "greed," wouldn't you say?

He had an issue with someone using his likeness for profit... wait for it... after he left school.

Now that I'm done addressing the rampant retardation here (and Softhead is too retarded to even address), to the subject at hand...

The laws of Unintended Consequences are at play. I think we've all been around here long enough to know which school I root for. (look Up and Left)

Hello?

Yeah, let's make this a federal law. Works for me.

I hope Bama enjoyed all those top 5 star recruits they used to get. Same with Georgia, Clemson, tOSU, et al. Have fun picking through Oregon's rejects to field a team. If players can sign endorsement deals, recruiting will become a very one-sided affair. And HINT... it favors my team, by a fucking mile. If California wanted to export its high school talent even more than it does now, they found the solution.

Unintended consequences.

Just Do It

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:26 pm

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:25 am
Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:16 pm Greed, huh. Pretty rich coming from a self-professed capitalist conservative such as yourself.
Yes Greed. Players like myself who couldn’t afford school without crushing debt have an opportunity for a free education. We received free tuition, free food, free books, free clothes, free swag and on and on.

Don’t lose site of the fact most college athletes aren’t going pro. The education is extremely valuable even if they don’t see it that way. Don’t want the free education, don’t take the scholarship.

Ya know, lefty, you sound like a bit of a Bernie Bro here. You don't want the elite blue-chip athletes to take full advantgae of their talents because you're worried that it might affect the system that got you a free ride through.

If we would simply end the charade of the pure amateur athlete and treat this as a business with employees, everything would improve.

Treat BTPCF essentially like the NFL farm system that it is.

The only strict rules I would put in place is you can't bounce back and forth like you can in the baseball farm system. I think they should also keep some sort of age limitations in effect.

There also should be a team cap on total compensation as there is in the NFL.

Such a system would still have traditional scholarship system for big fat kids....errrrrrr I mean non-blue chip players.

Such a system would be subject to normal contractual obligation. Colleges could tell a kid, we are paying you X, for Y years. During that time the kid would not be able to go pro or transfer without being released by the school.

Such a system would keep more kids around for 4 years. Basketball needs this way more than football, but it is the same concept.

Free market capitalism has made us prosperous enough to be able to waste billions on things as trivial as a bunch of big kids smashing into one another. Shouldn't those kids have that same system at their disposal. College sports is essentially a form of slavery, or at least indentured servitude.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:11 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:26 pm College sports is essentially a form of slavery, or at least indentured servitude.

Wa wa whaaaaat?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:30 pm

They are required to perform a service without cash compensation that they have bargained for.

Yes, they get room and board. So do slaves.

FiatLux · Post by **FiatLux** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:38 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:26 pm Colleges could tell a kid, we are paying you X, for Y years.

From NYTimes:

What will the law do ?

The law will allow student-athletes throughout California to be compensated for the use of their name, image or likeness, and it will also allow them to hire agents. Unless modified (more on that later), it is scheduled to take effect in 2023.

The schools will pay nothing. Licensees only will pay.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:37 pm

Dinsdale wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:00 am

So, Lefty, care to outline Ed O'Bannon's "greed" for us? Like, how much did he pocket from his suit?

Nevermind, I'll save you the trouble -- he finished in the hole, and didn't make a dime. Poorly executed "greed," wouldn't you say?

He had an issue with someone using his likeness for profit... wait for it... after he left school.

I understand the suit Dins. I also understand how the NLI and associated financial aid agreements work. For those that don't the NLI is not valid without an associated financial aid agreement for 1 academic school year. The NLI is standard across all schools. The financial aid agreement is what is unique to most schools. These financial aid agreements are what lay out the use of likeness in most cases. My agreement said the school would retain the rights to all of my images and likeness while representing the school and those same images and likenesses could be used once I was out of school.

Ed signed something similar. He was allowed a free education and agreed to these same terms. Then when he was out of school he wanted to change the terms of the agreement that he signed. That is greed. Further Ed's suit only covered football and men's basketball. Why?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:52 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:26 pm
Treat BTPCF essentially like the NFL farm system that it is.

Uh, no. It is hardly a farm system. 256 players are drafted every year. Another 100 or so are signed as free agents after the draft. Approx 200 make a roster of some sort. Further Bama had 10 player drafted last year, which is one of the higher numbers for any school. How exactly does that make it a farm system. So 200 of 12,000 players or .016% make it to the league and it is now a farm system? No way.

What it is a system that allows athletes a way to get a free college education.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:00 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:30 pm They are required to perform a service without cash compensation that they have bargained for.

Yes, they get room and board. So do slaves.

Show me one college athlete that collective bargained for cash compensation.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:08 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:26 pm
If we would simply end the charade of the pure amateur athlete and treat this as a business with employees, everything would improve.

This is hilarious especially coming directly after Dins post and his not so thinly veiled Oregon references. Maybe I should have asked Phil about this a couple of weeks ago on a Saturday morning when he walked into the FBO at Redmond where I was checking out the rental plane, and he came in to greet his passengers that were getting on his G5 that was all painted in green and yellow. Mixture of wealthy looking people, some middle age and a several younger ones, re college age recruit types. On their way to the Nevada game. In style and luxury. Back home sleeping in their own beds that night too. It is a business, no doubt about that.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:14 pm

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:52 pm
What it is a system that allows athletes a way to get a free college education.

Exactly. And no one is 1099ing those athletes either. I have a once removed inlaw that was offered a full ride to Pacific University on a football scholarship. Pacific is a low level D3 school that is not competitive at all. But it does cost about 100K a year to go to school there. This idiot was sitting the pine a lot his first year, and went back for his second year and was sitting the pine at the start and he fucking quit the school because he was not getting playing time. Walked away from 400k worth of schooling. He is working in the woods now for his uncle making maybe 45 a year, drinking every day in the crummy on the way home and banging fat farm chicks. Way to go moron.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:15 pm

schmick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:46 pm Ed's suit, which I didnt agree with, only included football and men's basketball because those are the only sports that EA was putting video games out of and using former collegiate players on the cover of.

Correct. But all of those players were in their school uniforms. What is their likeness worth if they are not in their school uniform? Do they have any value if they aren't in their school's uniform? Further, how much of the player's value is because his school flew him and his teammates across country to play in a tournament? Would the player have the same value if he didn't have the coaching, gym facilities, training facilities, nutrition staff or medical staff?

In another example take Kyle Phillips of UCLA. He was recently named one of the Pac-12 players of the week. I am sure there would be a UCLA alum that would pay the kid to come out and sign autographs for customers of the alums business. But would an alum of Oregon or Colorado hire Kyle Phillips to come sign autographs for customers of their business? I would argue no. Therefore Kyle's value is completely tied to his school and not to his ability.

Ban Kierfag · Post by **Ban Kierfag** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:42 pm

You guys can all slow your roll because this doesn't take effect until 2023 and there will be
a lot of lawsuits over this bill going all the way to the supreme court.

All this bickering could be a mute point in 4 more years!

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:46 pm

Nice glass dick you fucking retard.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:52 pm

Derron wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:14 pm a full ride to Pacific University on a football scholarship.

Uhm... in a word...
No.

No scholarships in D3.

But I know a guy who played on Linfield's last national championship team. Hometown boy from McMinneville. While D3 schools don't have scholarships -- they just straight-up pay them. Dude got a "special skills grant," which paid for all of his tuition and books. He also got grants to pay for food and housing... while living with his folks right up the street. Said he wanted for very little in his time there.

Ban Kierfag · Post by **Ban Kierfag** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:59 pm

Kierland wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:46 pm Nice glass dick you fucking retard.

Whoa
Whoa
Whoa!!!!

Seek help, you deranged lunatic.

The new RED FLAG Laws are for people like YOU! Hope you don't have any guns....we need to have them confiscated from you because you are a DANGER to the public.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:30 pm

schmick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:02 pm

Linfield football does the same thing, my buddies kid transferred from a D2 to D3 Linfield and actually got paid to play for Linfield because the grants they gave him included money to pay to live alone but he had a house with 3 other football players so they all pocketed about 1200 a month.

I was talking about Linfield football.

Pacific is a D1 school but I don't believe they have football any longer. My neighbors grand daughter has a full ride to Pacific for Softball

Pacific is a D3 school, that recent started football back up. You're confusing Pacific University with University of the Pacific.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:35 pm

You realize you are talking to an idiot right? He can’t even process simple sentences.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:48 pm

Dinsdale wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:30 pm
schmick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:02 pm

Linfield football does the same thing, my buddies kid transferred from a D2 to D3 Linfield and actually got paid to play for Linfield because the grants they gave him included money to pay to live alone but he had a house with 3 other football players so they all pocketed about 1200 a month.
I was talking about Linfield football.

Pacific is a D1 school but I don't believe they have football any longer. My neighbors grand daughter has a full ride to Pacific for Softball
Pacific is a D3 school, that recent started football back up. You're confusing Pacific University with University of the Pacific.

Grants, scholarships, whatever the kid walked away from a 4 year paid college education. I believe Pacific University has had football back for about 6 years now. I was one of the sub contractors who did some of the initial site work on the new synthetic football field and then rebuilt the baseball and softball fields a few years later after the architects, original contractor and AD fucked it all up.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:57 pm

You probably added sand to “help” the soil. Fucking stupid tiny Tweaker.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:58 am

What the world and this board really needs is a time machine so that somebody could go back in time and stick a coat hanger up your mothers filthy vile bleeding cunt and coat hanger your miserable head and drop it out on the floor and stomp on it. You are the worst ankle biting piece of shit with your playground insults this board has ever seen,even surpassing Pickkle.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:29 am

I’ll take that as a yes TT.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:49 am

Derron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:58 am ...go back in time and stick a coat hanger up your mothers filthy vile bleeding cunt...

Well...technically, if her cunt was bleeding she wouldn't have been in a reproductive cycle to have Baby Sale...

...or something to that effect that I learned in health class.

:|

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:53 am

...and how could anyone even think about harming Baby Sale?

I just want to pinch his widdle cheeks and blow gurggly bubbles on his tum-tums...

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:53 am

that is NOT gay