At Least 20 California Children Injured

[Kierland]

Then post the part of the conversation that proves that.
And while you are at it post something, anything, that shows he actually was overweight. My link, from a guy that flies these, says that’s a myth.

[Left Seater]

Holic,

Tiny man’s brain is probably too small to process what you are pointing out to him. Multiple time the controller asks if the pilots want to hold somewhere to dump fuel. They say no to the hold, they never say they don’t want to dump fuel. But he either can’t understand that or does and is trolling.

ATC: do you need to hold to burn fuel.

ATC: Ok, so you don't need to hold to dump fuel

In both questions it isn’t an either or. The controller never uses the word or. The question asked both times is do you want to spin circles over the middle of nowhere to get lighter. The pilots say no, they want no part of holding, they want a return to the airport. And as you pointed out they never say they don’t want to dump, they just don’t want to hold and do it.

Further he thinks he has brought some new ground breaking info with his video. It doesn’t say anything we haven’t already said. Yes planes can land overweight. I laid out the inspections required. But the heavier the plane is over max landing weight the more likely for airframe damage and or injury. Again he is either to dumb to understand this or he is trolling.

[smackaholic]

I assume you watched the video from the pilot who appears to be second guessing the guys who were actually driving the plane.

Any thoughts on it?

I don't question anything he says. I just question his apparent dismissal of the notion that the only engine left just might be suspect. If you do give this possibility even the slightliest thought, then getting it down RIGHT FUKKING NOW, becomes pretty much your only priority. A distant second would be make it as light as you can, partly because, should it become one, heavy gliders suck, and because even a powered craft at that weight, risks damage on landing.

Contrast this to the worse case scenario for those on the ground. They need a shower and a change of clothes.

[Left Seater]

Yes I watched it and felt pretty much the same as you.

What caused the stalls? Unless you know what you want to land ASAP.

[Kierland]

I assume you watched the video from the pilot who appears to be second guessing the guys who were actually driving the plane.
unlike you
RIGHT FUKKING NOW
relax snowflake
Not critical

[Kierland]

Yes I watched it and felt pretty much the same as you.

What caused the stalls? Unless you know what you want to land ASAP.

Then dump the fuel at 8k and 300knots and tell the Tower.
This crew fucked up, you even admitted it yourself. Why else would delta need an apology tour?

[smackaholic]

Do you know when the dump began? My guess is that as soon as he knew he was turning back, he started dumping. As you yourself said, he never asked to dump. This is because he decided he didn't need to. He has more important things to worry about.

Delta certainly does have some apologizing to do, because it is their plane. That is not debatable. Their shit had a failure. It is their reponsibility.

But the pilot did everything perfectly. He put a broken plane back at the gate without a scratch. No one was injured. There are some assholes on the ground who smell a payday and will complain. Some of your parasitic bretheren will fan the flames as best they can and I am certain some will be paid way more than they should be for getting less petroleum on them than your average mechanic gets on himself in a typical day.

[Derron]

Yes I watched it and felt pretty much the same as you.

What caused the stalls? Unless you know what you want to land ASAP.

Then dump the fuel at 8k and 300knots and tell the Tower.

Once again the simple numbers get your tardly ass. Under 10,000 feet they had to have been doing 250 knots or less. Pretty standard FAA regulation in all areas. The rule is bent a bit out of high traffic areas, LAX departure NOT being one of those areas. The day you do anything other in an airplane than try and get your dick over the toilet edge to piss is the day you can comment. Shut the fuck up now.

[Kierland]

Hey dumbass. His stall speed is 240 and he is heavy that why he requested the fast climb (and got it: I have no idea why you think you can’t do 330 knots near LAX) he was at 8k and 330knots when he reported the CS.
Did you even watch your own link? (@ :58)

[Kierland]

But the pilot did everything perfectly.

It was a perfect flight.

Sin,
Donald J Trump (Worlds Greatest Aviator)

[Kierland]

The plane is DAL89
060= 6k feet
The H is for heavy
31= 310 knots

Tiny Tweaking Idiot

And in YOUR vid he says;
‘Not critical slowing to 280 knots’... good god you are an idiot.

[Kierland]

The only lawyer here who sues people is 88nazis.

[Left Seater]

Tiny ambulance chaser wants the pilots to dump fuel at 8000 feet. Thing is they very well may have been dumping shortly after they decided to return to LAX. I haven’t seen one thing where we know when the dump process started. It very likely may have started at 8000 and continued to just short of touchdown.

[Kierland]

I’m talking about facts not speculation you fat stupid twat.

[smackaholic]

How's about you supply us with the facts you have, concerning initiation of fuel dump?

Oh, yeah, that's right, we don't have that info, so you must speculate. Lefty, being a trained commercial twin engine jet pilot, speculates that the moment they made the decision to return to LAX, they needed to start a weight loss program. They knew, as the pilot in your video knows, that they could land heavy. They also knew that it would be a tough landing and that it was in their interest to land as light as possible. They just weren't willing to trade away time for more weight loss.

This all is basic common sense.

But lawyers never let common sense, or common decency get between them and a pay day.

As it is, Delta is responsible. They will have to make it right with the folks they spritzed. But if a lawyer can add on negligent behavior by the pilot in hopes of increasing his check, he sure the fukk will.

The tiny lawyer very well may not benefit directly, but I suspect he knows some who will. And footing for fellow parasites is a professional courtesy.

[smackaholic]

i assume fuel venting is documented by flight recorders?

That being the case, we actually will have facts. I am fairly confident that we'll find that fuel dumping happened very early. Likely within seconds of making the call to return to LAX.

[Kierland]

I’m talking about facts not speculation you stupid twat.

[smackaholic]

Lefty, you are likely better than the rest of us at judging an aircraft's altitude. Could you give an estimate for the video shot from the ground that shows the fuel trails?

My guess would be that he was still at least a mile high. A triple 7 is a pretty good sized aircraft and it looks fairly small there. Also in the video, you see the trails extending behind it and into a turn. They may extend a good bit further, but it is off screen.

Whatever it's altitude was, I am pretty sure it was more than 3k.

[smackaholic]

I’m talking about facts not speculation you stupid twat.

OK, I'll ask again.

What fact are you refering to? The "fact" that they started the dump at 3K as you seem to imply?

I do not see that fact established as of yet. I do see a video of the jet venting fuel at what I estimate to be a fair bit higher than 3K.

[Kierland]

I didn’t say he started it at 3k.
As far as his altitude during the dump, do you people even LOOK at the evidence before you post?
The vid in Duhron’s link shows the vid of the dump at the same time as the radar which shows the plane at 2600.
Fuck you people are dumb.

[smackaholic]

You seem to have your tiny pea brain stuck on the idea that the pilots, by saying they don't need to hold to dump, have not yet begun their dump.

Lets just look at what "facts" we do have and play the logic game.

Facts:

They dumped fuel.

They did not ask to dump fuel.

They stated they did not need a vector to a dump area.

They NEVER said "We do not need to dump fuel".

Queerland's daddy should have practiced safe sex on the day of his conception.

[smackaholic]

I didn’t say he started it at 3k.
As far as his altitude during the dump, do you people even LOOK at the evidence before you post?
The vid in Duhron’s link shows the vid of the dump at the same time as the radar which shows the plane at 2600.
Fuck you people are dumb.

The video I see does not show dump initiation. It just shows a plane dumping. As for it's elevation, I have no training in visual ground estimation of altitude, but I would have guessed 5K.

[Kierland]

Omg you are dumb. We don’t care when he starts. We care that he dumped on LA.
Goto Tiny tweaker’s vid.
Go to part with plane vid superimposed on radar vid.
They are basically synced in time.
Look at DAL89.
Look below.
That 026 means 2600’.
How did you people make it this far in life when you are this stupid?

[Left Seater]

Derron s video does show a Delta jet dumping fuel. It says they are approximating it’s location in the video with the radar track. If they are close then we know they are under 3000. Guessing altitude is difficult from video as we don’t know how zoomed in it is.

It’s comical how Tiny claims to be dealing in facts. He is completely ignoring the facts of the communication between pilots and ATC.

Again we don’t know if the pilots started the fuel dumping at 8000, 7000, 5000 or something else. We do know that they were dumping at approximately 2600.

My guess is the dumping started at 8000 or near that altitude, but we have nothing to confirm that. This guess is based on the directions the pilot gave ATC about how they would return to LAX.

Tiny only cares that some parts of LA got spritzed. He cares not about the passenger or the airframe. So Please tell us the damage or ongoing injury to humans or animals from the spritzing. From what I have seen there is zero.

[smackaholic]

We don’t care when he starts.

Then dump the fuel at 8k and 300knots and tell the Tower.

Well, dumbfukk? Which is it?

Telling the tower that you are dumping, at that moment is irrelevant.

Asking mother may I? will not change the dump. It is superfluous information at a time when the pilots and ATC need to concentrate on one thing, putting that fukking thing on the deck in a single piece. There will be time later on to request a clean up in isle 7.

You don't need to agree with my assessment, but if you have a shred of honesty, you could at least see that it is plausible.

But you aren't here for discussion. You are hear to squawk about racism. And this was two most likely white boys/girls pissing Jet-A on brown folk and likely snickeing as they do. And I am surethey pointed out the window and yelled "run knigggers, run!!!!!!!" as they did it.

[Kierland]

Derron s video does show a Delta jet dumping fuel. It says they are approximating it’s location in the video with the radar track. If they are close then we know they are under 3000. Guessing altitude is difficult from video as we don’t know how zoomed in it is.
so I was right and ‘holic was wrong. How surprising.
It’s comical how Tiny claims to be dealing in facts. He is completely ignoring the facts of the communication between pilots and ATC.
what communication am I missing?
Again we don’t know if the pilots started the fuel dumping at 8000, 7000, 5000 or something else. We do know that they were dumping at approximately 2600.
i already said that.
My guess is the dumping started at 8000 or near that altitude, but we have nothing to confirm that. This guess is based on the directions the pilot gave ATC about how they would return to LAX.
Guess all you want.
Tiny only cares that some parts of LA got spritzed. He cares not about the passenger or the airframe. So Please tell us the damage or ongoing injury to humans or animals from the spritzing. From what I have seen there is zero.
That is a lie. I care about everyone. There is no evidence he needs to dump on LA to save the plane. The evidence shows he fucked up. Which is why YOU think there needs to be an apology tour.

[Kierland]

We don’t care when he starts.

Then dump the fuel at 8k and 300knots and tell the Tower.

Well, dumbfukk? Which is it?

Telling the tower that you are dumping, at that moment is irrelevant.

Asking mother may I? will not change the dump. It is superfluous information at a time when the pilots and ATC need to concentrate on one thing, putting that fukking thing on the deck in a single piece. There will be time later on to request a clean up in isle 7.

You don't need to agree with my assessment, but if you have a shred of honesty, you could at least see that it is plausible.

But you aren't here for discussion. You are hear to squawk about racism. And this was two most likely white boys/girls pissing Jet-A on brown folk and likely snickeing as they do. And I am surethey pointed out the window and yelled "run knigggers, run!!!!!!!" as they did it.

You are just going to gloss over the fact that you were dead ass wrong they were not dumping at 2600?

[Left Seater]

We have pointed out repeatedly that the pilot never said he didn’t need to dump. He only said he didn’t want to hold and dump.

Yes I have made an educated guess and called it a guess from the hop.

You say there was no evidence he needed to dump to land safely. There is also no evidence to say he didn’t need to dump fuel to land safely. However he was the pilot in command of the flight and did what he felt he needed to do. He is in a much better place to make that call than you are.

And saying Delta needs to replace clothes and make a donation to the school doesn’t mean the pilot was wrong. It just means the fuel came from a Delta jet and they need to do the correct thing.

[Kierland]

You say there was no evidence he needed to dump to land safely. There is also no evidence to say he didn’t need to dump fuel to land safely.

I said there was no evidence he needed to dump on LA, but he probably did not need to dump at all.
Nice double speak in that second sentence tard.
The evidence that he did not need to dump on kids is:
He was asked about dumping vectors “or anything like that” and said no. That would have been the time to say he was going to dump as he flew in.
He had at least one engine so he could have taken dump vectors.
He had 370 knots of airspeed at 8k so he could have dumped at higher altitude for longer.
He is supposed to tell the tower if he is going to dump and he didn’t.
He had almost 1300 ft of runway.
My vid shows heavy landing with that plane is not a huge issue.
Your boss doesn’t go on an apology tour when you made a perfect flight.

[Left Seater]

Ok I tried. Responded to you for the first time in 8 months or more, but since you clearly know everything and believe your shit doesn’t stink, it isn’t worth my time.

Have a great day and keep up your either or fallacy. Perfect example is your apology tour crap. The pilot may have done everything correct, however the Delta equipment didn’t. Hence the need to throw a few bucks towards those who had to use some soap to wash off their arms.

[Kierland]

Nice white flag.

[Kierland]

And yet I just kicked your fat ass, BrokenPsyche’s fat ass, duhron’s Tiny Tweaker brain and took the lumber to holic.
So you can SAY shit, but it’s all just noise and light.

[smackaholic]

Ya know, when someone doles out a beating in this shithole, he won't need to point it out.

Others will.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, again midget. You're good at that, at least.

Have a nice day and GFY.

[Derron]

He had at least one engine so he could have taken dump vectors.

You really have no fucking clue at all. No, nope, not going to happen. I would have thought suckaholic had drilled that into your brain by now.

He had 370 knots of airspeed at 8k so he could have dumped at higher altitude for longer.

Got a radar link to back that up??? ..they are out there....and you really have no fucking clue at all.

He is supposed to tell the tower if he is going to dump and he didn’t.

He can do pretty much anything he wants to keep the situation from escalating. If anything is said most pilots would be pretty much whatever....

He had almost 1300 ft of runway.

We will assume you meant 13,000, as 1,300 out of the minimum 8000 ft required, with just reverse idle thrust is not shit. Your proof reading sucks as bad as your takes.

My vid shows heavy landing with that plane is not a huge issue.

Since you really have no fucking clue, let's talk about the single engine reverse thrust they needed to try and stop the plane. Normal reverse idle thrust with two engines at landing weight is required to slow the plane down to braking speed within the profile. If you are down one engine, and over recommended landing weight, you are probably pushing the reverse thrust up quite a bit over idle so you can get to braking speed, the reason for wanting the 13,000 feet. And that is asymmetrical thrust too, so a different set of control surface inputs will be required, another complicating factor. He probably may triggered an engine replacement on the good engine due to the out of profile landing numbers. You do know the on board computers will give that information up. Lefty can correct any errors I make, I don't fly jets, he does.

I guess you just really have to be stupid as you are or you think you can troll, but you really don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You become quickly annoying when I brought you off ignore, but I am dropping that hammer on your troll bitch ass again now and get back to readable takes.

[smackaholic]

You really have no fucking clue at all. No, nope, not going to happen. I would have thought suckaholic had drilled that into your brain by now.

I don't have any bits hard enough to get through that dome. And my hammerdrill shit the bed last year anyway.

[Kierland]

Ya know, when someone doles out a beating in this shithole, he won't need to point it out.

Others will.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, again midget. You're good at that, at least.

Have a nice day and GFY.

I was responding to fatty. I didn’t just pull Bode out of left field. And if you don’t like it don’t say stupid shit like the dump vid is 5k when there is actual evidence it isn’t.

[Kierland]

Got a radar link to back that up??? ..they are out there....and you really have no fucking clue at all.

It’s like arguing with morons.
YOUR link shows his speed and on top of that I did post a screen grab of him doing 310.
Good fucking god.

[Kierland]

I did say you can’t fly over 250 knots, Duhron did.
I didn’t say the dump vid was 5k, holic did.
I’m not the one who said stupid shit then waved a white flag, that was you and BrokenPsyche.
And yet you think I look stupid. Well obviously you don’t but you can’t type that I totally busted both those fuckers and made you and fat&greedy lay down arms. No you just drone on about shit that isn’t true.
What a fat stupid tard.

[Left Seater]

Wee man can claim to have kicked all the ass he wants. It doesn’t make it true. It is in fact just sad.

But trolls have to troll.

[Kierland]

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... X/tracklog

Actually - 24 minutes. Looks like 7,775 feet was all they got (assuming this this info is right). At least the benchod midget can go after them for breaking the 250 kts under 10,000 rule, though. :) Something tells me that wasn't too high on the priority list!

They didn’t break any rules moron. They were heavy so the tower approved a fast climb. Did you even look at the evidence you fat stupid fuck?