Government Control of Everything

[Screw_Michigan]

You can't have a properly functioning economy of any size when 1/4 of the people are sick and out of work or dead. You seem to not understand this, but you're basically retired anyway, so you DGAF.

I hate to break it to you, but this "let the people decide" nonsense is why Florida is about to go to hell in a handbasket because your governor is more concerned about covering Trump's ass and owning the libs rather than giving two shits about the people who reside in his state. People weren't taking it seriously because the president wasn't taking it seriously until Tuesday. Please note that other GOP governors such as the ones in Ohio and Maryland actually took Covid seriously, instead of trying to pander to Trump voters like yourself.

Also note, to a strawman builder like yourself: tobacco, alcohol, and driving are all choices. Catching a pandemic, not so much of a choice. But strawman on. Please take your jackboot and shove it up your ass.

Never forget: This is the culmination of 40 years of conservative ideology to destroy the administrative state except for the Pentagon. That all government is bad, and that government should be small enough to drown in a bathtub. And if it isn't small enough to drown, it should exist to serve the rich and powerful and white at the expense of everything else.

So, I hate to say, you are getting exactly what you have voted for over the last 40 years. Live it up.

[Left Seater]

Yeah because team D would have saved us from any issues with the 'Rona.

I guess Gov Cuomo isn't taking it seriously either then since his state is getting worked over eh?

[Screw_Michigan]

Yeah because team D would have saved us from any issues with the 'Rona.

I guess Gov Cuomo isn't taking it seriously either then since his state is getting worked over eh?

NYC is the densest city in the nation and it is a global city. They were early in the curve and, yes, he took it more seriously than Team R and all of Trump's cultists you've voted for.

Also, Azar in January asked for $500 million to spend on coroanvirus preparation. You know what he was told? Fuck you, we're giving it to the Pentagon.

Brilliant. BUT BUT BUT WHAT ABOUT TEAM D?

[Screw_Michigan]

Tens of millions of people who received aid that would not have reached them without the efforts of Team D will end up casting ballots for TBOM this November. In one important way, that’s how it should be: Team D as it is currently constituted correctly understands that it has civic and moral obligations to ensure the well-being not only of its own voters, but of those who vote against its candidates.

The GOP, and particularly the party under Trump, acts as if it has no such obligations, which is why the president himself has portrayed aid to Democratic-controlled states ravaged by the coronavirus as personal generosity rather than his fucking job.

This, to dipshits like Left Seater and 88briancells, is the difference between Team D and Team R under Trump.

[Left Seater]

Tens of millions of people who received aid that would not have reached them without the efforts of Team D

You mean without Nancy coming in and trying to hijack the bill to get liberal fantasies included? Or Majority Whip James Clyburn saying the crisis is "a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision." Team D added a ton of cost to the bill that has zero to do with aid to citizens. See the cancelled debt of the USPS.

Yeah, this is all the Orange Man's fault and those of us who voter for him. Had team D and Her been running things, like they are in NYC, this crisis would have been averted. Keep dreaming. But by all means keep making these idiotic claims, it only helps to keep a D out of the White House this fall.

[L45B]

The travel ban is racist.

[smackaholic]

Yeah, but how about TSA?

Oh, wait. That's right, I deal with them most days. :(

[Screw_Michigan]

Jared Kushner: we did not start active response phase of dealing with this crisis until 13 days ago.

13 days!

[The Big Pickle]

Jared Kushner: we did not start active response phase of dealing with this crisis until 13 days ago.

13 days!

Fukkk off and die!

[EAP]

You can't have a properly functioning economy of any size when 1/4 of the people are sick and out of work or dead. You seem to not understand this, but you're basically retired anyway, so you DGAF.

I hate to break it to you, but this "let the people decide" nonsense is why Florida is about to go to hell in a handbasket because your governor is more concerned about covering Trump's ass and owning the libs rather than giving two shits about the people who reside in his state. People weren't taking it seriously because the president wasn't taking it seriously until Tuesday. Please note that other GOP governors such as the ones in Ohio and Maryland actually took Covid seriously, instead of trying to pander to Trump voters like yourself.

Also note, to a strawman builder like yourself: tobacco, alcohol, and driving are all choices. Catching a pandemic, not so much of a choice. But strawman on. Please take your jackboot and shove it up your ass.

Never forget: This is the culmination of 40 years of conservative ideology to destroy the administrative state except for the Pentagon. That all government is bad, and that government should be small enough to drown in a bathtub. And if it isn't small enough to drown, it should exist to serve the rich and powerful and white at the expense of everything else.

So, I hate to say, you are getting exactly what you have voted for over the last 40 years. Live it up.

Everything you've just said is complete and utter bullshit.
We have Democrats saying and doing the most incredibly dumbest things earlier this year, even though the virus was already epidemic. Telling people to cramp into the subway, eat out and drink up.
LaToya letting Mardi gras go on as normal.
Cuomo wasting millions over the past decade, leaving his city totally unprepared.

Your low IQ remarks only serve to cement your reputation as a left wing hack.
Carry on.

Your fake news media won't report any stupidity from any democrat.

[Innocent Bystander]

Jared Kushner: we did not start active response phase of dealing with this crisis until 13 days ago.

13 days!

Fukkk off and die!

If Jared Kushner said that, it's a terrible admission, but at least it was admitted.

Shoot the message, not the messenger.

[Left Seater]

88 absolutely owns Screwy in two posts in this thread and Screwy’s response is to change the subject.

I guess he knows his ass was handed to him and he accepts it. Props for that Screwy.

[Softball Bat]

Team D loves you

This is why you are -----> a HACK.


Pay attention, squid...

Team R had two years of full control.
They've had another 1+ year with 2/3 control.

And yet...

We have record federal government spending, massive deficit spending, and an exploding national debt.


It's team D that wants the big government, right?


LMAO!






#stooge

[Derron]

Never forget: This is the culmination of 40 years of conservative ideology to destroy the administrative state except for the Pentagon. That all government is bad, and that government should be small enough to drown in a bathtub. And if it isn't small enough to drown, it should exist to serve the rich and powerful and white at the expense of everything else.

So what you are really saying is the Clinton and Obama were complete pieces of shit and had no affect on any of the political landscape or country during the time they were POTUS, and that everything is the R's fault ?? Because my math says those two dicks were POTUS for 16 of those 40 years.

Maybe come up with better candidates that could actually do something.

[EAP]

Team D loves you

This is why you are -----> a HACK.


Pay attention, squid...

Team R had two years of full control.
They've had another 1+ year with 2/3 control.

And yet...

We have record federal government spending, massive deficit spending, and an exploding national debt.


It's team D that wants the big government, right?


LMAO!






#stooge

Record government spending?
You mean the 12 trillion added under Obama?
Or do you lie about that too?

[EAP]

88 absolutely owns Screwy in two posts in this thread and Screwy’s response is to change the subject.

I guess he knows his ass was handed to him and he accepts it. Props for that Screwy.

He does. Screwy is his little bitch.

[Softball Bat]

And yet you specifically pointed out -----> Team D.

It is hard to find a single thing that you could identify that the Administrative State does well aside from become larger. It is an inefficient, horrible waste of money and brutally hurts the people it is supposed to help. It makes them dependent and helpless, and prevents the greatness within them from coming out. Team D loves you. Now put those shackles back on and get in the hole. Boss will be by soon to throw you some slop.

Dummy.

[EAP]

And yet you specifically pointed out -----> Team D.

It is hard to find a single thing that you could identify that the Administrative State does well aside from become larger. It is an inefficient, horrible waste of money and brutally hurts the people it is supposed to help. It makes them dependent and helpless, and prevents the greatness within them from coming out. Team D loves you. Now put those shackles back on and get in the hole. Boss will be by soon to throw you some slop.

Dummy.

88 is spot on accurate.
You have no idea what's going on.
You parrott the talking points of CNN's fake news.

[EAP]

And yet you specifically pointed out -----> Team D.

It is hard to find a single thing that you could identify that the Administrative State does well aside from become larger. It is an inefficient, horrible waste of money and brutally hurts the people it is supposed to help. It makes them dependent and helpless, and prevents the greatness within them from coming out. Team D loves you. Now put those shackles back on and get in the hole. Boss will be by soon to throw you some slop.

Dummy.

When government becomes too large, we the people, will revert back to the bill of rights and the founding principles of liberty.

If you don't understand that, you are already too far removed from reality.

[Kierland]

It has and continues to be ... their daily lives will someday probably feel a jackboot on their neck. Be careful what you wish for.

A lot to unpack there:
First) The power that our founders took from the King was total. So whenever the question is asked "can the gov do that?" the answer is always yes to some degree because the King could do anything. That total power was then divided and or curtailed by the Bill of Rights. Can the National gov shut down the borders 100%? Yes. Can the Local gov lock you in your house? Yes. They can't lock all the black people up and let the whites out, but they can lock everyone up.
Second) Are you really and Attorney? Because you seem to have a very simple and lay way of looking at the law. Didn't you learn all this in like the first day of con law?
Third) You should look into Syndicalism, it basically like Libertarianism only without all the unicorns and magic.

[Kierland]

The administrative state is way worse than COVID-19. It should be destroyed. Nothing good has ever come from it.

And yet you vote for nazis and call people that want to fix it unicorns. Fuck you twat.

[Kierland]

I don't want Team R to be in charge of a large government. I don't like Team R either. I don't like government at all. I want the least government possible. Did you even read the first post here, amoeba?

But you vote to keep it large. WTF?

[EAP]

The administrative state is way worse than COVID-19. It should be destroyed. Nothing good has ever come from it.

And yet you vote for nazis and call people that want to fix it unicorns. Fuck you twat.

No stupid. Nazi socialists were anti liberty, like your left wing socialists.
We vote for liberty. The bill of rights.
You'd know that if you had an IQ above retard levels.
The left is anti liberty, much like their counterparts the nazi socialists.
Your left wing socialist party does everything it can to violate the bill of rights.
Dummy

[Kierland]

trust the process
Post as a troll
Noise and light
Blah blah blah

Sin,
88yawns

[Left Seater]

The administrative state is way worse than COVID-19. It should be destroyed. Nothing good has ever come from it.

And yet you vote for nazis and call people that want to fix it unicorns. Fuck you twat.

Team D doesn't want to fix it. They want to spend us into total government control. But you probably can't see that due to your stature.

[mvscal]

Yeah because team D would have saved us from any issues with the 'Rona.

I guess Gov Cuomo isn't taking it seriously either then since his state is getting worked over eh?

NYC is the densest city in the nation and it is a global city. They were early in the curve and, yes, he took it more seriously than Team R and all of Trump's cultists you've voted for.

No, he didn't. Not even remotely. He's a complete moron who was caught totally unprepared and all he does is cry that the Federal government isn't doing enough to bail his dumb fucking ass out.

Fuck him, fuck New York and fuck you.

[Kierland]

100% wrong. The Founders didn't take any power from the King. The King's subjects rebelled in the name of personal and individual liberty. The People did not take power from the King. They asserted their inalienable right to exercise liberty over their own lives. They permitted the Founders to form a government that had limited powers. But being a fan of authoritarian control over People, that absolute fact probably escaped your attention. The Constitution was not adopted and ratified until 1789. The Declaration of independence occurred 13 years earlier. People were fighting against government, not for a new one that had all the same powers that the King claimed. You are wrong. Completely wrong.


I went to an actual law school taught by actual law professors who could read and understood what the words actually said. Plus, they allowed us to read the words too. This government was founded on a very simple principles. The People have the most power. They, through consent, can concede some of that power to their local and then state governments, which they are allowed to define and set up and adjust as they deem appropriate. A federal government is necessary to prevent wars and other conflicts between member states. The Constitution explains the limits on the exercise of federal power, and makes it clear that any power not expressly granted to the federal government is reserved to the People and the States. What did you learn in your correspondence course?

It sounds like we are saying the same thing, (with the exception of you saying they wanted no government, that is absurd) although you don't seem to understand how it happened. Asserting liberty over your own life is what the King had been doing with his life and theirs, so when they rebelled they got the right to do whatevers. Botton line is that we believe that the People should be as free to live their lives as much as possible, but we both know that is not doable any where at any time in history. We also both seem to agree that the heavy lifting should be done locally as much as possible, which leads me to...

Third) You should look into Syndicalism, it basically like Libertarianism only without all the unicorns and magic.

I don't affiliate with any party. I used to be a registered Democrat because when I lived in Ohio, the Democrat primary determined who would take office after the joke general election. That sort of thing happens when you live in a county and city that is overwhelmingly Democrat. But here, I'm am independent. I agree with some Libertarian policies. But others are unreasonable. Syndicalism is communism with a bow on it so that complete morons can say they are not communists when asked why they support jack-booted authoritarian thugs who want to control the lives of everyone. Naw, I'll just stick with individualism and liberty. It is the only thing that ever works and cannot be attacked by anyone not willing to wear or support people wearing jackboots.

You sound like you have no idea what you believe in but to the extent that you do, Syndicalism is not Communism, it is people working at a local level to help the most people with the resources available. While this is not true of all Syndicalism it is certainly a strain and again it's something you might want to look into if you ever stop being such a tight ass.

[Kierland]

No, he didn't. Not even remotely. He's a complete moron who was caught totally unprepared and all he does is cry that the Federal government isn't doing enough to bail his dumb fucking ass out.

Fuck him, fuck New York and fuck you.

And your orange goo machine is a complete moron who was caught totally unprepared and all he does is cry that the State and Local governments aren't doing enough to bail his dumb fucking ass out.

Difference is I know both are true. You will never admit that the orange jizz doesn't taste so good any more.

[mvscal]

I don't want to see millions of people die. And social distancing and limiting travel and large gatherings appears to be a good way to limit the possibility that deaths from the COVID-19 virus will increase. But I think those decisions should be in the hands of the people,

What fucking planet are you from? People are sick, stupid animals.

Yes, I recognize that there are very many people who are stupid and irresponsible (I should post a picture of people with face tattoos here). But sometimes we have to allow the stupid to be stupid.

Permitting individual stupidity in the midst of a highly infectious contagion is an invitation to holocaust. Public health is not something that should ever be subjected to the whims of sub-moronic cretins. That is a power correctly ceded to government. Sit down, shut the fuck up and deal with it.

[EAP]

It has and continues to be ... their daily lives will someday probably feel a jackboot on their neck. Be careful what you wish for.

A lot to unpack there:
First) The power that our founders took from the King was total. So whenever the question is asked "can the gov do that?" the answer is always yes to some degree because the King could do anything. That total power was then divided and or curtailed by the Bill of Rights. Can the National gov shut down the borders 100%? Yes. Can the Local gov lock you in your house? Yes. They can't lock all the black people up and let the whites out, but they can lock everyone up.
Second) Are you really and Attorney? Because you seem to have a very simple and lay way of looking at the law. Didn't you learn all this in like the first day of con law?
Third) You should look into Syndicalism, it basically like Libertarianism only without all the unicorns and magic.

You are laughably wrong again.
The founders knew about tyranny. That was the king.

Our system is not top down, as a king or centralized government control.
Ours is bottom up
Liberty.
We send leaders to Washington to lead, not rule.

Obama and valerie Jarrett wanted to rule.
She's quoted as saying, "We are ready to lead from day one.
Bernie is a trotskyite, he also wants centralized government control from the top down.
Trump is for liberty.
Understand now?

[smackaholic]

Yeah because team D would have saved us from any issues with the 'Rona.

I guess Gov Cuomo isn't taking it seriously either then since his state is getting worked over eh?

NYC is the densest city in the nation and it is a global city. They were early in the curve and, yes, he took it more seriously than Team R and all of Trump's cultists you've voted for.

No, he didn't. Not even remotely. He's a complete moron who was caught totally unprepared and all he does is cry that the Federal government isn't doing enough to bail his dumb fucking ass out.

Fuck him, fuck New York and fuck you.

Ya gotta love the thinking of tards that point to Andy Cuomo and declare "THAT is how you handle a pandemic!"

Really?

The leader of place in the country which is being assfukked the worst by #19, is the posterchild of how to handle this?

Isn't that about like saying Italy is the country handling it the best?

Meanwhile they dismis the FL gov as clueless.

Has anyone checked the score lately?

FL should be having its shit pushed in. It has a large, old population. There is A LOT of tourist travel in and out of FL. Yet, it trails NY badly in the contest for best #19 doormat.

[Kierland]

Your troll done fucked up.

[smackaholic]

Just looked up the definition of syndicalism.

In a nutshell, it is small scale communism. It was most popular in Europe between 1900-1914.

Huh? Wonder what happened then?

Oh yeah, that right, those practicing it set the world on fire for the remainder of the first half of the 20th century.

While I will agree that small scale communism is a better idea than large scale communism, it is, in the end, the same thing. It is a group of individuals deciding they don't like the fact that another individual(s) owns something, so they take it.

It is organized theft. Period.

And when the game is "organized theft", guess who wins?

The most proficient thief.

[Left Seater]

But NYC is the most population dense city in the US. Also don’t forget it is a global city.

Per Screwy these get him a pass. It is all Trump’s fault.

Don’t forget though that these Team D leaders like Cuomo and LaToya often don’t wait for the Feds on things like global warming and living wages, but apparently when it comes to their citizens public health they sit back and wait to take orders from someone above.

[Kierland]

That is not actually true at least not for all of it. Yes it is the people who take over the government in most cases, but who else would do it? And yes people work so you can call the American people workers as they take over the government, but many revolutions start that way. The part you are missing is the decentralization that takes place after revolution. And again plenty of scenarios have a commie state after, but that is a beauty of it. Because it is decentralized the local people get to pick how they run their region and they can pick the government to watch their kids at local school and pay for it or not. The larger government entities don’t have any say in that. They are there solely for border control and defense.

And even if that is not what most people think it is there is no reason it can’t or wouldn’t work. But of course a lot of heads would have to roll first.

[Kierland]

But NYC is the most population dense city in the US. Also don’t forget it is a global city.

Per Screwy these get him a pass. It is all Trump’s fault.

Don’t forget though that these Team D leaders like Cuomo and LaToya often don’t wait for the Feds on things like global warming and living wages, but apparently when it comes to their citizens public health they sit back and wait to take orders from someone above.

There is plenty of blame to go around. What does that tell you?

[Left Seater]

Screwy has TDS.

[mvscal]

Time to order another pair of jackboots, apparently.

Indeed, I seem to have left one hanging out of your asshole.

[Screw_Michigan]

Screwy has TDS.

[mvscal]

Jared Kushner: we did not start active response phase of dealing with this crisis until 13 days ago.

13 days!

Fukkk off and die!

If Jared Kushner said that, it's a terrible admission, but at least it was admitted.

The statement is demonstrably false. Given lack of source for the alleged quote, I will assume that it also is false. The White House Corona Virus Task Force was established on January 29th. Travel from China was restricted on January 31st. Those are active responses by any definition. Further note, Jared Kushner is not part of the Corona virus task force.