The 'Rona and 2nd homes

[Left Seater]

Lots of smaller cities and villages are asking if not outright telling 2nd home owners to stay away from their 2nd homes during this crisis. Here are just a few of the cities:

In New Jersey, Gov. Phil Murphy publicly urged folks with beach homes on the Jersey Shore to stay away from them. “The local infrastructure, especially the health care infrastructure, and especially in off-season, is not prepared for the influx of part-time residents,” he announced over the weekend. “There’s absolutely no excuse for a party at the beach. Please stay at your primary residences." Local Jersey Shore officials, including the Point Pleasant police chief and a Cape May County Freeholder expressed similar sentiments.

Meanwhile, the Maine island of North Haven voted to immediately ban visitors and seasonal residents to help stop the spread of COVID-19, the Outer Banks of North Carolina have closed to non-residents, the mayor of the tiny Village of Ruidoso in New Mexico issued an executive order asking visitors and second homeowners to stay away and Gov. Charlie Baker of Massachusetts has urged second homeowners to nix plans to hunker down on the islands of Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard.

Given this, how should these homeowners respond? Should they stay away from properties they own? If they do should they be given a break on city and county taxes, including property taxes? Should they give the middle finger to these cities and villages and isolate in their 2nd homes?

My wife and I are currently residing at a 2nd home in New Mexico. The house was built by my mom 15 years or so ago after my brother graduated college. Since we both had college paid for she used the insurance money that had been in college funds for us to build the house. It is now in a family trust and she is gifting shares to my brother and I. Neither my mom or my brother wanted to come out to the house so my wife and I and the dogs headed to NM. We are in a county with no reported cases and thankfully the village here is fine with 2nd homeowners occupying their homes. If that were to change we would certainly ask for a break on the village taxes and property taxes, which would only be fair.

What are your thoughts on 2nd home owners occupying their homes?

[Mikey]

If you own a home and pay property taxes on it you should have every right to use it whenever you want. Your particular situation is a little different because you're in a rural area that's relatively sparsely populated and no infections in the area. I can understand some of these Jersey Shore and upstate NY communities being a little more paranoid but barring people from their own property is going a little to far IMO. They just need to make sure that they are all following the proper precautions.

My step-daughter and her husband have an apartment in Manhattan and a house on a lake in rural northern NJ. They spend probably half their time in each place and relocated to the lake over a month ago when all this shit was getting started. The son-in-law grew up there and his extended family owns probably a half a dozen of the homes around this lake, so they're not exactly outsiders.

If I lived in a big city, I'd definitely want to get out if I could. I'm lucky enough to live in a semi-rural area with large lots and no commercial development close by, so there's not much of any kind of traffic during the day, either foot or automobile. We go out for a three mile walk every day at lunchtime and might see one or two other walkers and maybe a few cars driving by.

[Innocent Bystander]

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Alaskan villages are taking the Shishmaref option, and barring all travel to them except by residents who can prove they live there with an ID badge. No flights, no boats, no ATV/skidoos.

Taos is a no longer hippie area (60 years ago) now owned by the wealthy who think Santa Fe is too mainstream and Silver City is not mainstream enough. Taos is fucking gorgeous. The wealthy do what they want.

[Left Seater]

Add Michigan to the list of States banning people from their 2nd homes.



Also heard this morning on radio that there have been a number of lawsuits filed over this in NJ but I can’t find a link to them yet.


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[Kierland]

Seems excessive given that I can get in my car in the fucking garage and drive to the cabin in the middle of fucking nowhere and park and walk in and hang out with zero chance of spreading the covid even if I have it.

Problem is if you give that freedom to people they will also stop at the gas station half way to get gas and could then spread it.

It’s a sticky wicket.

[Derron]

This is a big thing on the Oregon coast right now. The locals are putting up signs and wanting the cops to start running the second home owners out of town for causing problems in "their " towns. They are taking to social media and flaming the flatlander owners to get the fuck out of town and stop spreading the disease and buying up all the groceries in the stores.

All beach access points are closed through the towns and the beaches themselves are closed too. These towns will soon shrivel up and die faster than Screwys cock on date night without all the "flatlanders" spending their money there. Granted, the hordes that make their way to the coast from the Portland area south to the Eugene area can be a bit over whelming at times, in fact causing back ups in traffic for 50 miles at times.

The area we used to hang out in on the north coast was not a straight shot from the Portland area but would still get a lot of people. I had been going there all my life, knew a lot of people there and we owned 5 acres of farm ground that we used for growing stock nursery plants and keeping our trailer at so we thought of ourselves as locals.

[Kierland]

But you weren’t. You think a lot of things that aren’t true.

[Innocent Bystander]

My definition of local:
1. Locals are townies are year round.
2. Owning property never makes you a local.
3. If the town likes you, or doesn't like you but wants a piece of your notoriety, you can become an honorary local.
4. If the town doesn't like you, or is indifferent to you, they can pretend you were just passing through even if you were born there.

[Innocent Bystander]

This is a big thing on the Oregon coast right now. The locals are putting up signs and wanting the cops to start running the second home owners out of town for causing problems in "their " towns. They are taking to social media and flaming the flatlander owners to get the fuck out of town and stop spreading the disease and buying up all the groceries in the stores.

All beach access points are closed through the towns and the beaches themselves are closed too. These towns will soon shrivel up and die faster than Screwys cock on date night without all the "flatlanders" spending their money there. Granted, the hordes that make their way to the coast from the Portland area south to the Eugene area can be a bit over whelming at times, in fact causing back ups in traffic for 50 miles at times.

1. The locals are absolutely correct. The non-townies are basically Chinese immigrants buying up provisions to send to their real home, infecting the locals, then leaving when the coast is clear.

A local deals with the consequences. Non-locals don't.

2. You're also correct. The towns completely drying up depends on the locals, though. The towns brainstorm to find a new angle, or become ghost towns.

[Left Seater]

It’s great you have a definition of local IB, but it doesn’t seem to mean jack squat when it comes to this topic.

Who cares if you are local or not. Are you paying your property tax and or village tax? If so don’t you have a right to visit your home anytime you want (assuming the area isn’t closed to everyone as in a natural disaster?)

And it “locals” can keep you from visiting your home, would you not be entitled to a reduced property tax and or village tax? The locals keep you away for 6 months, it seems fair that your property taxes be cut in half for that year. But I am guessing the “locals” wouldn’t go for that and would want all the tax revenue.

[Derron]

1. The locals are absolutely correct. The non-townies are basically Chinese immigrants buying up provisions to send to their real home, infecting the locals, then leaving when the coast is clear.

A local deals with the consequences. Non-locals don't.

2. You're also correct. The towns completely drying up depends on the locals, though. The towns brainstorm to find a new angle, or become ghost towns.

You obviously have not owned multiple properties that are not your primary residence. I owned the property I live on now for 3 years before I moved over here. I paid property taxes and my HOA dues. I maintained and did physical improvements on the property before moving here last year. I also own bare dirt properties in extreme Southern Oregon in the Brookings area which is rented out to a local farmer. I still go there once or twice a year for brush maintenance and some clearing of blow down timber. I also own bare dirt properties in an adjacent county to me now, high desert, that we have improved for later sale.

I have never encountered any problems with the locals, because I contribute to the local economy, I made it a point to get to know some of them, and offer to help them on their property when I am there. You will find some groups of people who own properties who have to have air BNB type rentals to afford the place. These tend to churn tourists through and they are the ones who fuck shit up. I also know people who don't have to rent every day of the month or at all.

The majority of the problems lie with the day trippers who come in and do all the touristy shit, leave messes, fuck with the locals and create the problems. And for your information, there is not much these small towns can do. They cannot come up with a "new angle" to create income. It is tourists or nothing.

[EAP]

Lots of smaller cities and villages are asking if not outright telling 2nd home owners to stay away from their 2nd homes during this crisis. Here are just a few of the cities:

In New Jersey, Gov. Phil Murphy publicly urged folks with beach homes on the Jersey Shore to stay away from them. “The local infrastructure, especially the health care infrastructure, and especially in off-season, is not prepared for the influx of part-time residents,” he announced over the weekend. “There’s absolutely no excuse for a party at the beach. Please stay at your primary residences." Local Jersey Shore officials, including the Point Pleasant police chief and a Cape May County Freeholder expressed similar sentiments.

Meanwhile, the Maine island of North Haven voted to immediately ban visitors and seasonal residents to help stop the spread of COVID-19, the Outer Banks of North Carolina have closed to non-residents, the mayor of the tiny Village of Ruidoso in New Mexico issued an executive order asking visitors and second homeowners to stay away and Gov. Charlie Baker of Massachusetts has urged second homeowners to nix plans to hunker down on the islands of Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard.

Given this, how should these homeowners respond? Should they stay away from properties they own? If they do should they be given a break on city and county taxes, including property taxes? Should they give the middle finger to these cities and villages and isolate in their 2nd homes?

My wife and I are currently residing at a 2nd home in New Mexico. The house was built by my mom 15 years or so ago after my brother graduated college. Since we both had college paid for she used the insurance money that had been in college funds for us to build the house. It is now in a family trust and she is gifting shares to my brother and I. Neither my mom or my brother wanted to come out to the house so my wife and I and the dogs headed to NM. We are in a county with no reported cases and thankfully the village here is fine with 2nd homeowners occupying their homes. If that were to change we would certainly ask for a break on the village taxes and property taxes, which would only be fair.

What are your thoughts on 2nd home owners occupying their homes?

By all means use your 2nd home.
These authoritarian socialist dems are violating our constitutional rights.

Just imagine for a split second, if we had a left wing socialist in the white house during this crisis.
Let that reality wash over you.

It's a nightmare scenario. They'd like the lockdown to continue until the entire economic structure was completely destroyed. Then transform over to centralized government control.

President Trump's goal is to open back up ASAP.
These authoritarian governors can go straight to hell.
At the end of the day, they can burn down their blue states, for all we care.

So yes. By all means enjoy your second or third homes.
And if the left wing Gestapo tries to break down your door, blast the Jon Bon Jovi song, "Blaze of glory".

[Innocent Bystander]

You obviously have not owned multiple properties that are not your primary residence.

No. I just currently live in an ethnically balkanized state.

I have never encountered any problems with the locals, because I contribute to the local economy,

If you were a local, they wouldn't be locals. They'd be neighbors.
Money and property don't make you a local. Acceptance does.

The majority of the problems lie with the day trippers who come in and do all the touristy shit, leave messes, fuck with the locals and create the problems.

Or take resources from locals, or hospital beds. Six of one, half dozen of another.

And for your information, there is not much these small towns can do. They cannot come up with a "new angle" to create income. It is tourists or nothing.

What do they survive when there are no tourists?

[Left Seater]

Just imagine for a split second, if we had a left wing socialist in the white house during this crisis.
Let that reality wash over you.

It's a nightmare scenario. They'd like the lockdown to continue until the entire economic structure was completely destroyed. Then transform over to centralized government control.

President Trump's goal is to open back up ASAP.
These authoritarian governors can go straight to hell.
At the end of the day, they can burn down their blue states, for all we care.

So yes. By all means enjoy your second or third homes.
And if the left wing Gestapo tries to break down your door, blast the Jon Bon Jovi song, "Blaze of glory".

We don’t know what a Team D president might have done. They probably would have dragged their feet on not allowing anyone who had been to China entry into the US. What with that being racist and all. They may have suspended some aspects of the Constitution earlier, but then they might not have since a number of them claim that travel bans and quarantine don’t help.

Team D is probably glad at the end of the day that the Cheeto is in office today during this pandemic. That way they can TDS on anything and everything he does and can give Team D governors like Cuomo and Mayors like LaToya a pass for their horrible response.

[Mikey]

Just imagine for a split second, if we had a left wing socialist in the white house during this crisis.
Let that reality wash over you.

It's a nightmare scenario. They'd like the lockdown to continue until the entire economic structure was completely destroyed. Then transform over to centralized government control.

President Trump's goal is to open back up ASAP.
These authoritarian governors can go straight to hell.
At the end of the day, they can burn down their blue states, for all we care.

So yes. By all means enjoy your second or third homes.
And if the left wing Gestapo tries to break down your door, blast the Jon Bon Jovi song, "Blaze of glory".

We don’t know what a Team D president might have done. They probably would have dragged their feet on not allowing anyone who had been to China entry into the US. What with that being racist and all. They may have suspended some aspects of the Constitution earlier, but then they might not have since a number of them claim that travel bans and quarantine don’t help.

LOL. Remind me again how many people flew in from China after your Orange Dear Leader's so-called ban?

[Left Seater]

Approximately 40,000. Most of those being American citizens.

Are you suggesting Americans should not be allowed back into the US?

[Kierland]

Link?
The numbers I saw were that times ten.

And yes you deny entry of the planes like they did on 911, my parents' flight was canceled and it was hell getting them back in the country, 5 days late.

[Mikey]

Approximately 40,000. Most of those being American citizens.

Are you suggesting Americans should not be allowed back into the US?

I though I heard that it was more like 140,000, of which 40,000 were American citizens.

[Left Seater]

Not by any numbers I have seen.

Here is a NYTimes quote:

people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after President Trump imposed restrictions on such travel, according to an analysis of data collected in both countries.

This article is from April 5th so the number is probably up a bit over the last week. We will also ignore their improper use of direct. A direct flight may stop 8 times between end points. Non-stop flights go from point A to B without stopping. Not surprised the Times missed this distinction.

From the same article:

Trump administration officials have also said they received significant pushback about imposing the restrictions even when they did. At the time, the World Health Organization was not recommending travel restrictions, Chinese officials rebuffed them and some scientists questioned whether curtailing travel would do any good. Some Democrats in Congress said they could lead to discrimination.

You may want to check your sources on your information. Sounds like it is coming from some Screwy TDS types.

[Kierland]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/c ... tions.html

I know, Fake News.

[Bucmonkey]

But, but, what if Hillary was in charge...fucking sad.

[Left Seater]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/c ... tions.html

I know, Fake News.

That is the article I quoted. It says 40,000 people have come from China after the ban was in place. Most of those being Americans.

Thanks for furthering my point.


As for Hillary being in charg, who knows if she even would have put a travel ban in place with it being racist and all.

[Kierland]

I must have missed your link.
So it wasn’t a ban. And he let in a half a million people from China. Whatever it is it isn’t what he says it is, but he is a big fat liar.

[Left Seater]

I must have missed your link.
So it wasn’t a ban. And he let in a half a million people from China.

Did you not even read your own article? Or can you just not comprehend it?

The half million you and Team D keeps mentioning is after the outbreak in China and before he put the travel ban in place for foreigners who had been to China. Since he put the restrictions in place about 40,000 have come to the US from China. Some on repatriation flights that landed at US militant bases.

But the key here Is he put this ban in place before health officials suggested it and TeamD cried about it.

Keep spinning this lie about a half million. People with a brain like Mikey have backed off this TDS talking point.

[Kierland]

So he let half a million people in. I think I just said that.

[Left Seater]

This is how you get laughed out of court I guess.

Why stop there. He has let tens of millions in since he took office. But much like your take that is a stupid timeline.

[Innocent Bystander]

But, but, what if Hillary was in charge...fucking sad.

It's a farce, yes. Who's going to come out on top in the end?

[Left Seater]

The point is no one knows what Her would have done. But it unlikely the overall situation would have been much different. State Governors should be making most decisions, like Cuomo.