What would Left Seater not do?

[Screw_Michigan]

I understand that it has been discussed. The issue with it is of course the implementation. Do you have the airlines confirm status? The TSA? Some other group?

The airlines aren’t set up for this and the TSA fails at basic tasks of their job.

Lots of European nations have done it. We just don't want to.

And I appreciate Dan Vogel's attempt at humor, but requiring vaccines to fly on commercial airlines is far from "Hitler." Don't ruin your credibility here, poptart.

[Diego in Seattle]

I understand that it has been discussed. The issue with it is of course the implementation. Do you have the airlines confirm status? The TSA? Some other group?

The airlines aren’t set up for this and the TSA fails at basic tasks of their job.

Lots of European nations have done it. We just don't want to.

European countries have health care systems where their citizens don't go broke by developing a medical condition or even just seeing a doctor or specialist. Access to health care is a major factor in whether the same could be successful here.

And I appreciate Dan Vogel's attempt at humor, but requiring vaccines to fly on commercial airlines is far from "Hitler." Don't ruin your credibility here, poptart.

He's already shown his lack of credibility on this subject. He should stick to takes on Evonne Goolagong...

[Left Seater]

I understand that it has been discussed. The issue with it is of course the implementation. Do you have the airlines confirm status? The TSA? Some other group?

The airlines aren’t set up for this and the TSA fails at basic tasks of their job.

Lots of European nations have done it. We just don't want to.

Can you link me up to airlines requiring a vaccine? I have traveled in Europe recently and didn’t see a vaccine mandate for travel. I did see them for entry to the UK or EU but not for travel within. Not saying some don’t, I just didn’t experience it.

[Screw_Michigan]

Thought I read that Portugal and Ireland were doing them.

[Left Seater]

Just looked up Portugal and they do require the digital vaccination passport for domestic travel. However, a negative test within the last 96 hours is the same as being vaccinated under the digital vaccine passport.

So there really isn’t a vaccine requirement to travel.

[Kierland]

I would think they would ask you twice since you are sooooo fattt you take up two seats.

[Screw_Michigan]

Just looked up Portugal and they do require the digital vaccination passport for domestic travel. However, a negative test within the last 96 hours is the same as being vaccinated under the digital vaccine passport.

So there really isn’t a vaccine requirement to travel.

That system is better than we have now.

[Left Seater]

I would gladly trade the mask mandate for a vaccine mandate for travel.

[Softball Bat]

Those advocating for no-vax, no-flight, I have two questions.

1, When is someone considered to be fully vaccinated?

2. For what reason do you advocate no-vax, no-flight?

[Diego in Seattle]

Those advocating for no-vax, no-flight, I have two questions.

1, When is someone considered to be fully vaccinated?

Two shots of Moderna or Pfizer vaccines, one of Johnson & Johnson (c'mon, you couldn't even google that?)

2. For what reason do you advocate no-vax, no-flight?

An unvaccinated person is 6 times more likely to become infected, and thus potential become a spreader themselves. If it takes 15 minutes of sustained exposure to an infected person what do you think would happen if someone who is infected is sits in a metal tube (possibly right next to someone, especially an at-risk person) for several hours?

[Softball Bat]

Taking them one-at-a-time...

Two shots of Moderna or Pfizer vaccines, one of Johnson & Johnson

People in various locations around the world are now being told to get a booster.
This is because the "protection" is wearing off for 10s of millions of people by now, right?

"Fully vaccinated" is very murky.


And what about people who have already had Covid?
Why do they need to be vaccinated to fly?
Why do they need to be vaccinated at all?



Note this from Newsweek this week...

Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there
are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural
immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. In a study from
Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the
unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fool ... on-1643839

[Left Seater]

An unvaccinated person is 6 times more likely to become infected, and thus potential become a spreader themselves. If it takes 15 minutes of sustained exposure to an infected person what do you think would happen if someone who is infected is sits in a metal tube (possibly right next to someone, especially an at-risk person) for several hours?

Probably nothing is what would happen. Large passenger jets have heppa filtration, with downward airflow in the cabin. The entire air in the cabin is exchanged every three minutes.

If airplanes were an issue, we would have already seen superspreader events every day. Passengers are “allowed” to remove their masks when eating or drinking. On my recent return flight from Europe that meant I had my mask off for 45 minutes. Same for damn near everyone else on the plane. You know what happened? Nothing.

Planes certainly don’t need mask mandates, nor vaccine mandates. But if we must have one I will take the vaccine mandate because it is easier on me.

[Diego in Seattle]

Taking them one-at-a-time...

Two shots of Moderna or Pfizer vaccines, one of Johnson & Johnson

People in various locations around the world are now being told to get a booster.
This is because the "protection" is wearing off for 10s of millions of people by now, right?

"Fully vaccinated" is very murky.


And what about people who have already had Covid?
Why do they need to be vaccinated to fly?
Why do they need to be vaccinated at all?



Note this from Newsweek this week...

Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there
are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural
immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. In a study from
Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the
unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fool ... on-1643839

It's almost like we have to get a flu shot every year.

Da horrah!!

[Left Seater]

It's almost like we have to get a flu shot every year.

Da horrah!!

Wrong. Flu shots are totally optional and less than half of the US population normally gets vaccinated for the flu.

I haven’t had a flu shot in years and have been fine.

[Kierland]

The last sentence was a throw away. Nobody here thinks you have ever done one single thing in you life that wasn’t 100% selfish. It’s you only personality trait. Thanks god for Darwin.

[Screw_Michigan]

The last sentence was a throw away. Nobody here thinks you have ever done one single thing in you life that wasn’t 100% selfish. It’s you only personality trait. Thanks god for Darwin.

In fairness to Lefty, he did offer me a ticket to a Wings-Caps game before coronavirus ruined everything. So he can't be 100% selfish. Maybe 99%.

Yes, I know, I need to stop "normalizing the enemy."

[Softball Bat]

Taking them one-at-a-time...

Okay, here is #2...

An unvaccinated person is 6 times more likely to become infected, and thus potential become a spreader themselves. If it takes 15 minutes of sustained exposure to an infected person what do you think would happen if someone who is infected is sits in a metal tube (possibly right next to someone, especially an at-risk person) for several hours?

In many countries around the flat earth we have cases rising very high, if not higher than ever, despite very high vax rates.

Germany, UK, S. Korea -- all have over 70% vaxxed (supposedly), and yet cases are going ape shit.

It's because of the 20 - 30% who are not juiced up?


The juiced get the virus and they spread it.

Face reality, Diego.
Mandatory vax to be allowed to travel by air is ------> a clownish idea.

Hitler does approve from his grave, however.

[Screw_Michigan]

Hitler does approve from his grave, however.

Dude, stop saying this. You know you're wrong and it's wrong. Vaccine mandates are not ethnic cleansing and you know it.

[Kierland]

Hitler does approve from his grave, however.

The unvaxxed are dying at a higher rate and filling hospitals and driving medical staff insane. So just STFU with all your biting around the margins of the actual problem.

[Kierland]

Yes, I know, I need to stop "normalizing the enemy."

It’s a double edged sword, nice people tend to lean left. So nice people go high when the selfish and greedy, who lean right, go low. But who wants to align with those assholes? So I’m stuck with you and Mikey mostly (not sure how to classify Diego and pop is just anti Dump). But in my defense, look around how being nice to Dump or Turtleneck or BrokenPsyche or Fatt&Melty is working out. They only know mean cause that’s who they are. It’s why the latter two banned me.

[Softball Bat]

Hitler does approve from his grave, however.

The unvaxxed are dying at a higher rate and filling hospitals and driving medical staff insane. So just STFU with all your biting around the margins of the actual problem.

The issue we are talking about right here is a vax requirement to fly.

Both vaxxed and unvaxxed are spreading the virus.

[Diego in Seattle]

Hitler does approve from his grave, however.

The unvaxxed are dying at a higher rate and filling hospitals and driving medical staff insane. So just STFU with all your biting around the margins of the actual problem.

The issue we are talking about right here is a vax requirement to fly.

Both vaxxed and unvaxxed are spreading the virus.

Can you conservatives get out a single message w/o being disingenuous?

Your last line would be like saying that both people wearing motorcycle helmets & not wearing motorcycle helmets are dying in motorcycle accidents. While factually true, it doesn't paint an accurate picture of how many more riders w/o helmets are dying than those who do wear helmets. To imply both sides are dying at the same rate (or infecting others at the same rate with covid) is highly disingenuous.

[Kierland]

Hitler does approve from his grave, however.

The unvaxxed are dying at a higher rate and filling hospitals and driving medical staff insane. So just STFU with all your biting around the margins of the actual problem.

The issue we are talking about right here is a vax requirement to fly.

Both vaxxed and unvaxxed are spreading the virus.

And I changed the issue. Or more precisely, I added this as a reason to require a vax.

[Softball Bat]

Your last line would be like saying that both people wearing motorcycle helmets & not wearing motorcycle helmets are dying in motorcycle accidents. While factually true, it doesn't paint an accurate picture of how many more riders w/o helmets are dying than those who do wear helmets. To imply both sides are dying at the same rate (or infecting others at the same rate with covid) is highly disingenuous.

The issue for a vax requirement for flying isn't how many in each category (vaxxed/unvaxxed) are dying.
This issue on a plane is spread of the virus.

Both vaxxed and unvaxxed spread it, hence a vax requirement for flying is senseless, and it blatantly discriminates.


As I noted a few posts earlier, the virus is spreading rapidly in many countries where a high pct. of folks are vaxxed.
Germany, UK, S. Korea, others.

The vaxxed (as well as unvaxxed) are spreading the virus.

So just stop with the vax-for-flying concept.

It is -----> DUMB.

[Softball Bat]

Diego, SM, Moving Sale (or anyone else who cares to *chime* IN), what is your theory as to why virus cases are rising rapidly in these countries (Germany, UK, S. Korea, others) where a high pct of the folks have taken the shots?

[smackaholic]

It is no longer about the efficacy of the vaccine. It is about you bowing to St Anthony of DC. The vax has replaced the wafer at Mass.

[Kierland]

It’s about you idiots taking people with you as you die in record numbers, that and trying to collapse the health care system along the way. And don’t think I forgot you voted for a traitttor, traitoraholic.

[Softball Bat]

People in various locations around the world are now being told to get a booster.
This is because the "protection" is wearing off for 10s of millions of people by now, right?

"Fully vaccinated" is very murky.

The National Basketball Association (NBA) reportedly urged players to get Covid-19 booster shots.
Some vaccinated players may face game-day testing already by December if they refuse the
recommendation.

The NBA told players the new rules on Sunday, according to AP, and stressed that those who
initially received the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine are most in need of a booster jab.
Citing its waning efficacy over time, the league called on players, coaches and referees who
received the vaccine more than two months ago to roll up their sleeves for a booster dose of
a different jab, namely Pfizer’s or Moderna’s.

Those who were vaccinated with either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccine were advised that they
will need a booster shot six months after initial vaccination.

https://www.rt.com/usa/539619-nba-covid ... -boosters/




An unfolding and accelerating societal nightmare which ends very badly.




The Rubicon has been crossed

- poptart

[Softball Bat]

About your post, schmick, the FDA did fully approve something a number of weeks ago.
I will leave it at that, because I don't want to go down the path of discussing that approval any further.


Canada has gone full retard.

"Passport" to society.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5C8BdDft1EtP/

I don't like the tone of this phone call, but it is something to think about.


If you've opted IN to their kingdom, you will continue to be juiced on the schedule your masters set.

A dystopian nightmare.



Not -----> IN.

[Screw_Michigan]

Either way California is fucked. Only 42% of LA County Sheriff officers are vaccinated, the other 58% are going to leave their jobs. Early retirements are up 30% and according to Sheriff Vilanueva on Nov 3rd another 30% have filed but aren't being counted yet. Who is going to enforce the mandate when 60% of the cops are gone?

Who gives a fuck? Fire every LA County Sheriff that refuses to get vaccinated.

[Diego in Seattle]

People whose job is supposed to be public safety refusing to get vaccinated to keep the public safe are going to be fired? Where's the downside?

[Screw_Michigan]

New recruits, who else?

[Kierland]

The LACSO is full of literal gang members. The city will be safer without them.

[Derron57]

People whose job is supposed to be public safety refusing to get vaccinated to keep the public safe are going to be fired? Where's the downside?

The down side ?? The loss of close to 3,700 sworn officers and about 4,000 others as well. Should have zero impact on public safety. But you are from the shithole of Seattle where there is little law anyway. Fucking moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxr7Me20tXk

[Kierland]

So it doesn’t work but it somehow looses efficacy in 6 months. You are an idiot and a traitorr.

[Diego in Seattle]

New recruits, who else?

Uh huh. Who fills in while they train?

Not surprising that you have not a single clue about what you're talking about.

It's called mutual aid.

[Diego in Seattle]

Have another Zima, schmuck.

[Softball Bat]

People whose job is supposed to be public safety refusing to get vaccinated to keep the public safe are going to be fired? Where's the downside?

Whether or not someone is "vaccinated" has absolutely zero to do with your safety. Shot or not, they can catch and spread the virus to you if you come in contact with them. That makes the shot moot


First of all,, there is NO vaccine for kung flu, pretending that there is one just makes you look like a fucking retard. If there was a vaccine for the china-virus it would't lose all of its efficacy in 6 months. If there was a vaccine for the china-virus people who had it would not be spreading or dying of the china-virus.

You people took a shot that is fucking worthless and are now pissed off that you were suckered in to taking a worthless fucking shot. So, to lash out you want other people to be forced to get said worthless fucking shot so you're not the only fucking retard walking around with a worthless shot in you.

Eat a dick, just because you fucked up doesn't mean you can force everyone else in to the same fuck up. So enjoy your worthless.faucci ouchie. Don't forget that hospitals only consider you "vaccinated" if you get the "vaccine" every 6 months so enjoy kneeling down for that prick twice a year, sheep.

We are unfortunately in a situation where large percentages of populations have taken these shots, and once you take them you can not untake them.
There is no detox from them.

Despite high vax numbers, cases continue to rise in many locales, and the folks are being told that additional shots will be needed.

I mean, it's very important to remain -----> fully vaccinated!






*Pump* you up!

[Kierland]

I dont drink malt liquor, faggot

Nazii was having a stroke.

[Screw_Michigan]

People whose job is supposed to be public safety refusing to get vaccinated to keep the public safe are going to be fired? Where's the downside?

Whether or not someone is "vaccinated" has absolutely zero to do with your safety. Shot or not, they can catch and spread the virus to you if you come in contact with them. That makes the shot moot


First of all,, there is NO vaccine for kung flu, pretending that there is one just makes you look like a fucking retard. If there was a vaccine for the china-virus it would't lose all of its efficacy in 6 months. If there was a vaccine for the china-virus people who had it would not be spreading or dying of the china-virus.

You people took a shot that is fucking worthless and are now pissed off that you were suckered in to taking a worthless fucking shot. So, to lash out you want other people to be forced to get said worthless fucking shot so you're not the only fucking retard walking around with a worthless shot in you.

Eat a dick, just because you fucked up doesn't mean you can force everyone else in to the same fuck up. So enjoy your worthless.faucci ouchie. Don't forget that hospitals only consider you "vaccinated" if you get the "vaccine" every 6 months so enjoy kneeling down for that prick twice a year, sheep.

Can't wait to see you at sorryantivaxxer.com