Retired Marine murders mentally ill man on NYC subway

[Sudden Sam]

Better watch out or mtool will come back and post more pictures he didn't take of people doing things he's never done in places he's never been to.

Those pics of the bridge made me think the same thing. The Ren Fairy strikes again.

[Kierland]

Better watch out or mtool will come back and post more pictures he didn't take of people doing things he's never done in places he's never been to.

How would you know coward? Oh wait never mind.

What a pussy.

[FiatLux]

I understand.


You can't find The City...so you move the goal posts and add in shitholes like LA and Bakersfield.


Where's San Francisco in all your links "hayseed"?

[Sudden Sam]

My god, you’re stupid. We’re talking states, not cities.

I started another thread so this one can revert to what it’s supposed to be.

[FiatLux]

My god, you’re stupid. We’re talking states, not cities.

I started another thread so this one can revert to what it’s supposed to be.

San Francisco is in California, hayseed. You said the air was bad in California.

Since you've NEVER been to California and only get your information from far-right wing nutjob news sources... I thought I'd help you out.

[Sudden Sam]

Yes, some of the most polluted air in the country is in California.

I never thought of Mother Jones, the Guardian, and Utne Reader as far right. I may need to diversify more.

[Sudden Sam]

Daniel Penny, the man who held Jordan Neely in a fatal chokehold, says race had nothing to do with it, New York Post reports.

Duh. Anyone with a brain knows that. Mr. Penny and others were protecting passengers who were frightened by a violent rider. It’s terrible that the criminal died rather than being either hospitalized or incarcerated. A trial is warranted. Hopefully this doesn’t make others hesitate to intervene when violent people threaten others.

[Diego in Seattle]

Hopefully this doesn’t make others hesitate to intervene when violent people threaten others.

Please explain what reasonable cause Penny had to believe that this guy was violent.

Please explain how Penny was justified to use a choke hold, a hold that has been banned from LE for many years.

[Sudden Sam]

Obviously multiple persons concluded that he was violent and needed to be subdued until police were able to get to him. Three people held him down.

Riders were likely familiar with his violent outbursts and assaults. He regularly assaulted subway patrons.

[Diego in Seattle]

Obviously multiple persons concluded that he was violent and needed to be subdued until police were able to get to him. Three people held him down.

Holding someone down is fine. Using deadly force where it isn't warranted isn't.

Riders were likely familiar with his violent outbursts and assaults. He regularly assaulted subway patrons.

That's not how deadly force is justified. SYHTFOTW

[mvscal]

Hopefully this doesn’t make others hesitate to intervene when violent people threaten others.

Please explain what reasonable cause Penny had to believe that this guy was violent.

By his words and his actions, you fucking moron.

Pull your head out of your ass and read the news some day. Nutjobs are popping off on NYC subways practically every fucking day and, evidently, some people aren't inclined sit there like a fucking lump waiting to be their next victim.

Appropriate charges have been filed in this instance now fuck the fuck off, faggot.

[Meat Head]

Ya fuk around the subways being an ass hole and bothering people long enough, you will get corrected. Legal or not it will happen. And apparently citizens standing up to this shit is the only remedy, as lawlessness creeps [jumps] forward.

I don't like it but welcome to reality.

[mvscal]

Please. Tell us about an interesting day in Alabama.

This should be interesting.

bump.

Well?

Plenty to do here. Kayaking, rock climbing, hiking, and Lake Martin all within 15-30 minutes. Prettiest beaches in the country less than 3 hours away. Great venues for music in the Lyric Theater and the Alabama Theater in Birmingham and the Saenger in Mobile. Barber track and museum is world class. Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail is top shelf. Some of the most beautiful roads anywhere for riding motorcycles.

I've heard that Muscle Shoals has got The Swampers. They've been known to pick a song or two.

[Sudden Sam]

Quite a history up there. Ask Mick and Keef about Muscle Shoals.

[Sudden Sam]

Ya fuk around the subways being an ass hole and bothering people long enough, you will get corrected. Legal or not it will happen. And apparently citizens standing up to this shit is the only remedy, as lawlessness creeps [jumps] forward.

I don't like it but welcome to reality.

Exactly. People are fed up with being victimized by violent criminals. Pussies sitting there allowing women and/or kids (or Mulvaneys) to be abused or robbed or killed need to stay home. Decent people try to protect innocents. Damn shame the guy died, but I’m sure the Sharptons of the city would have raised hell even if Neely had survived.

[mvscal]

Quite a history up there. Ask Mick and Keef about Muscle Shoals.

Or that Armenian chick what's her name? Cherilyn Sarkisian? Where is she from again?

[Sudden Sam]

Quite a history up there. Ask Mick and Keef about Muscle Shoals.

Or that Armenian chick what's her name? Cherilyn Sarkisian? Where is she from again?

Got an LP by a band called Black Rose that she’s in. Her and her boyfriend, Les Dudek. I bought it as a curiosity…don’t recall ever listening to it!

[L45B]

Hopefully this doesn’t make others hesitate to intervene when violent people threaten others.

Please explain what reasonable cause Penny had to believe that this guy was violent.

Please explain how Penny was justified to use a choke hold, a hold that has been banned from LE for many years.

You don’t live in NYC so you don’t know wtf you are talking about. These mentally ill people are all over the place and especially like to clog up the subways on a regular basis. Being stuck in a captive space with a lunatic who is harassing others, spouting randomly about hurting/killing other people, usually in the company of elderly people and young children is enough to cause severe concern but unfortunately is all too common in this rotting shithole. I have witnessed this kind of situation first-hand, many New Yorkers have. What is typical is having to “wait out” the situation in hopes that the crazy person does not escalate to physical harm or violence (which I have also witnessed first hand in the subway more than once). That’s bullshit. This marine stepped in and saved passengers from who-knows-what, the mentally ill person had more than 40 counts of prior history. It was unfortunate he died but letting a crazy person loose without knowing what he will do when released is warranted. If this hero hadn’t stepped in, the lunatic would have just skipped off to the next train and continued the same shit, likely may have hurt someone that day or the next. He was only a victim of his own behavior, which he is not absolved from just because he is mentally ill.

[Kierland]

Your first sentence, where you talk about not knowing shit. That was spot on.

[Diego in Seattle]

I visited NYC in 2012 & rode the subways many times. Never had a problem with anyone. Didn't even consider needing to apply either a choke hold or a sleeper hold.

And the law is pretty much the same in all states. You can't apply deadly force when in a "who knows what could have happened" situation. Actual violence has to be happening, and at that moment (not a few days ago). Unless one has reasonable cause to believe their life or the life of another person is in immediate danger deadly force is NOT justified (and no, lunatic rantings isn't cause to believe that one's life is in immediate danger).

And your comments expressing faux sympathy for the mentally ill is pathetic. We hear the same bullshit after mass shooting (along with the ubiquitous "thoughts & prayers"), but then you not only do nothing to address the mental illness problem, but vote against bills that do. Save your crocodile tears for one of your fellow gullible MAGA stooges.

[L45B]

I visited NYC in 2012 & rode the subways many times.

Seriously? 10+ years ago you were here visiting? You really have no clue what you’re talking about.

I lived here 10 years ago and the subways were in fact safe to ride.

Throw in the Covid situation in 2020 and ever since, the loonies have been running the tunnels. Throw in all the ‘defund the police’ bullshit and it means that the police don’t really give a fuck. There’s barely any police presence in the subways and the criminals .. errrr .. mentally ill know it and know they can get away with harassment and pull this shit all the time.

I’ve heard many little old ladies on the bus claim they’ll never ride the subway again until the crime gets cleaned up, which given the way the city votes, won’t be happening any time soon. The only hope is someone is there to save you when you need it, and most New Yorkers don’t step in to help because of exactly what this brave marine is dealing with now.

[Diego in Seattle]

I visited NYC in 2012 & rode the subways many times.

Seriously? 10+ years ago you were here visiting? You really have no clue what you’re talking about.

I lived here 10 years ago and the subways were in fact safe to ride.

Throw in the Covid situation in 2020 and ever since, the loonies have been running the tunnels. Throw in all the ‘defund the police’ bullshit and it means that the police don’t really give a fuck. There’s barely any police presence in the subways and the criminals .. errrr .. mentally ill know it and know they can get away with harassment and pull this shit all the time.

I’ve heard many little old ladies on the bus claim they’ll never ride the subway again until the crime gets cleaned up, which given the way the city votes, won’t be happening any time soon. The only hope is someone is there to save you when you need it, and most New Yorkers don’t step in to help because of exactly what this brave marine is dealing with now.

Your lack of an answer to my posting of the legal aspect of this incident is duly noted.

[Softball Bat]

I visited NYC in 2012 & rode the subways many times. Never had a problem with anyone. Didn't even consider needing to apply either a choke hold or a sleeper hold.

I've been on NYC subways a fair number of times.

One time a psycho lady stood up, walked over to my wife (who was sitting next to me), and started yelling at her.
Just yelling jibberish.
Obviously a mental case.

My wife provoked her in no way whatsoever.

It was a pretty unpleasant 15 seconds, and in that time, I was not sure if it was going to escalate into something physical.


A mental case flip out can happen at any time on a NYC subway.

[Screw_Michigan]

Throw in all the ‘defund the police’ bullshit and it means that the police don’t really give a fuck.

Poor NYC police. When the chief pig ERRR mayor isn't raiding the city budget to throw more cash at the police or allowing NYC police to beat the shit out of protestors, they actually have to do work? OMG, how dare anyone suggest that.

[Sudden Sam]

We’ll see more and more incidents where ordinary citizens have to defend one another if the police continue to be beaten down by the far left.

I’ve had more than a few unpleasant runins with police over the years. I never felt any love for them. Bad policing continues to exist and will keep on if we don’t invest in more and better training.

[Kierland]

Yeah it’s the lefts fault pigs are violent gangsters. Your brain is mush.

[Sudden Sam]

Higher pay would help, too.

In the meantime, I guess we’ll have to get used to vigilantes ridding the streets of violent people. Not good.

[Kierland]

Yes all cops should be fired and the system completely scrapped and reinvented. Since they won’t do their job, they are less then useless.

[Diego in Seattle]

I visited NYC in 2012 & rode the subways many times. Never had a problem with anyone. Didn't even consider needing to apply either a choke hold or a sleeper hold.

It was a pretty unpleasant 15 seconds, and in that time, I was not sure if it was going to escalate into something physical.


A mental case flip out can happen at any time on a NYC subway.

There's no allowances in the law for "he or she MIGHT flip out."

[Sudden Sam]

There's no allowances in the law for "he or she MIGHT flip out."

True.

But you would be damn thankful if someone like Penny stepped up and subdued some raving lunatic who was known for violent assaults…because we know you wouldn’t lift a finger if the guy was raping your sister. Heaven forbid you should have to get between a nutcase and your mom, especially if the perp happened to be black. You’d be required by your woke creed to let him do as much damage as he wanted.

[Screw_Michigan]

Sorry Sam. He was unarmed, and that matters more than your coulda woulda shoulda.

[Sudden Sam]

Sorry Sam. He was unarmed, and that matters more than your coulda woulda shoulda.

I’m not excusing Penny’s actions entirely. But does anyone really believe he intended to kill the guy? You would think the two other persons helping to restrain Neely would have suggested Penny ease up if they thought he was potentially going to die.

It’s a tough situation. Death should always be a last resort/no way to avoid it option certainly. But I don’t see how anyone can make this a racial matter or suggest the intent was to kill.

Terrible incident all the way around. Neely should never have been free to wander the city. Do the other riders wait until he hurts or kills someone to respond? Sad for all involved.

I’m just thankful I live in an area where most everyone gets along.

[Kierland]

It’s called an inference. You shut of someone’s air and they are going to die. He shut off his air so he knew or should have known he was going to die. I taught the concept to my kids, when they were 5.

[Diego in Seattle]

The perspective of a fellow Marine.

[Softball Bat]

I visited NYC in 2012 & rode the subways many times. Never had a problem with anyone. Didn't even consider needing to apply either a choke hold or a sleeper hold.

It was a pretty unpleasant 15 seconds, and in that time, I was not sure if it was going to escalate into something physical.


A mental case flip out can happen at any time on a NYC subway.

There's no allowances in the law for "he or she MIGHT flip out."

Right.
I agree.

I was just responding to your post about you having not had any issues during the times you rode the subway in NYC.

Incidents involving mental cases can (and do) happen at any random time.

And it is not hard to see how things can escalate into a physical confrontation very quickly.

[Diego in Seattle]

It was a pretty unpleasant 15 seconds, and in that time, I was not sure if it was going to escalate into something physical.


A mental case flip out can happen at any time on a NYC subway.

There's no allowances in the law for "he or she MIGHT flip out."

Right.
I agree.

I was just responding to your post about you having not had any issues during the times you rode the subway in NYC.

Incidents involving mental cases can (and do) happen at any random time.

And it is not hard to see how things can escalate into a physical confrontation very quickly.

I was simply using your sentence to point out to others that someone having a mental episode does not rise to the level of justifying deadly force, not that you were justifying the use of it.

And although I did ride the subway a fair amount during my visit, you're right about not being able to draw conclusions from anecdotal evidence. That would be like declaring climate change a hoax because a storm comes in bringing 20° below normal temps for a few days.

[mvscal]

There was no intent to use deadly force hence the manslaughter charge, you fucking idiot.

[Diego in Seattle]

There was no intent to use deadly force hence the manslaughter charge, you fucking idiot.

Read the article I linked above, dumbshit.

[Kierland]

There was no intent to use deadly force hence the manslaughter charge, you fucking idiot.

The intent is inferred mushbrain, which you would know if you were not a coward. And it’s a manslaughter charge cause the DA is soft on crime.

Fuck off nazi.

[mvscal]

No.