And the reason for this is?

[The Seer]

Why is ONE side ALWAYS making it easier to cheat?

Gavin Newsom Signs Bill Barring Local Authorities from Requiring Voter ID

California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill Sunday that will bar local authorities from requiring photo ID to vote, which exceeds the state’s requirements.

California is one of 14 Democrat-run states that do not require any ID to vote, despite requiring it for many other purposes. Voters at polling places are checked off against voter rolls without further proof being required; voters who submit mail-in ballots must include their signatures on the envelopes that are checked by a machine against the signatures on file in voter registration records.

The City of Huntington Beach, one of the last conservative bastions in the state, which often opposes Democratic policies, planned to require photo ID for voting in 2024, after a ballot initiative passed to that effect in March.

The new law, SB 1174, “would prohibit a local government from enacting or enforcing any charter provision, ordinance, or regulation requiring a person to present identification for the purpose of voting or submitting a ballot at any polling place, vote center, or other location where ballots are cast or submitted, as specified.”

The text of the law also claims, without evidence: “Voter identification laws have historically been used to disenfranchise low-income voters, voters of color, voters with disabilities, and senior voters.”

California is certain to support Vice President Kamala Harris in the presidential election, but there are several close congressional races in the state that could have a significant impact on the balance of power in Washington.

[Roach]

No voter ID. What could go wrong?

Clownshow bullshit Supreme.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Vegas odds on ScRoux_Diego's first post in this thread are as follows.

You're a racist -1200
But Trump -1000
Whatabout some other thing -800
ID is an unfunded mandate! -750
Election fraud only happens by the Right -700
Election tampering is not a big deal -600
Voter suppression is a threat to Democracy -580
No proof the last election was stolen -500
California is amazeballs, San Francisco is full of billionaries and Gavin is the best governor evar -500

[Diego in Seattle]

Vegas odds on ScRoux_Diego's first post in this thread are as follows.

You're a racist -1200
But Trump -1000
Whatabout some other thing -800
ID is an unfunded mandate! -750
Election fraud only happens by the Right -700
Election tampering is not a big deal -600
Voter suppression is a threat to Democracy -580
No proof the last election was stolen -500
California is amazeballs, San Francisco is full of billionaries and Gavin is the best governor evar -500

The Pete Rose thread is over there. -->

[Roux]

I do not have an objection to voter ID laws, as long as the indigent can obtain an ID for free.

I also do not have an objection to a state providing for uniform election laws throughout their state.

Since this was brought up, I'm wondering if there has been a problem in California of voter fraud based upon lack of a voter ID law. Not something that I follow, perhaps one of y'all who live there can provide some background info.

[Mikey]

Since this was brought up, I'm wondering if there has been a problem in California of voter fraud based upon lack of a voter ID law. Not something that I follow, perhaps one of y'all who live there can provide some background info.

Depends on who you ask.

According to the Elections Division, the Secretary of State and the entire state government, County elections boards (except for maybe Shasta), and 99.9% of reasonable and reasonably intelligent citizens - no.

According to out of state MAGAs including HPG, Seer and several others on T1B, a few crazed knuckle draggers in-state and the Shasta County Board of Supervisors fraud is rampant. Of course Shasta County generally votes about 70% MAGA so them claiming rampant fraud is somewhat ponderous.

[FiatLux]

California is one of 14 Democrat-run states that do not require any ID to vote, despite requiring it for many other purposes. Voters at polling places are checked off against voter rolls without further proof being required; voters who submit mail-in ballots must include their signatures on the envelopes that are checked by a machine against the signatures on file in voter registration records.

Makes sense to me.

Check the signatures at the polling place.

We have these things in California called "computers" that work pretty well.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Check the signatures at the polling place.

We have these things in California called "computers" that work pretty well.

Check ballot signatures against what, exactly? What keeps Joe Blow from voting ten times while signing ten different names?

[Bill in Houston]

Check ballot signatures against what, exactly?

The voter registration.
Your stupidity here is not helping you make a cogent take.

What keeps Joe Blow from voting ten times while signing ten different names?

For most people it’s the threat of imprisonment.

[FiatLux]

Check the signatures at the polling place.

We have these things in California called "computers" that work pretty well.

Check ballot signatures against what, exactly? What keeps Joe Blow from voting ten times while signing ten different names?

Did you even read what I quoted???

It's right there.

Damn, you're one slow neck.


Let me know if you need further help. I can walk you through it like a 5-year-old if you need me to.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Joe Blow can register to vote at the polling place on election day.
ID is not required.
Proof of residency not required.
Proof identity of any kind is not required.

What keeps Joe Blow from going from polling place to polling place, registering and voting under different names?

[Bill in Houston]

Joe Blow can register to vote at the polling place on election day.
ID is not required.
Proof of residency not required.
Proof identity of any kind is not required.

What keeps Joe Blow from going from polling place to polling place, registering and voting under different names?

Classic. You get beat down with simple facts so you go the fake news, GQP lies route.

Learning the truth is not that difficult. Well, for most it’s not. Clearly you suck at this.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Joe Blow can register to vote at the polling place on election day.
ID is not required.
Proof of residency not required.
Proof identity of any kind is not required.

What keeps Joe Blow from going from polling place to polling place, registering and voting under different names?

Classic. You get beat down with simple facts so you go the fake news, GQP lies route.

Learning the truth is not that difficult. Well, for most it’s not. Clearly you suck at this.

I read the California SOS website.

Joe can register on election day.
Joe can use any name and address he wants.
There is NO process for validating Joe's name against other document.
Joe's vote doesn't get counted until his registration is verified. The SOS doesn't explain how same-day registrations are verified.

What keeps Joe from registering and voting ten times at ten precincts? Still waiting for an answer from you guys.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

[Bill in Houston]

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Joe Blow can register to vote at the polling place on election day.
ID is not required.
Proof of residency not required.
Proof identity of any kind is not required.

What keeps Joe Blow from going from polling place to polling place, registering and voting under different names?

Classic. You get beat down with simple facts so you go the fake news, GQP lies route.

Learning the truth is not that difficult. Well, for most it’s not. Clearly you suck at this.
[/quote]
I read the California SOS website.

Joe can register on election day.
Joe can use any name and address he wants.
There is NO process for validating Joe's name against other document.
Joe's vote doesn't get counted until his registration is verified. The SOS doesn't explain how same-day registrations are verified.

What keeps Joe from registering and voting ten times at ten precincts? Still waiting for an answer from you guys.
[/quote]

I answered you.

You’re a liar.

That and you admittedly cannot read.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

This election is super duper secure. You can tell because California won't be able to identify fraud (like Joe Blow voting ten times) after the election.

Democracy is at stake.

[Diego in Seattle]

This election is super duper secure. You can tell because California won't be able to identify fraud (like Joe Blow voting ten times) after the election.

Democracy is at stake.

Then it should be super duper easy to prove in court.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Fiat is securing his title as dumbest motherfucker at T1B.

Screwy would like you to hold his cosmo and watch this.

Ohhh shit... Diego just handed me his Zima...

[Meat Head]

This.

[Roux]

Joe can register on election day.
Joe can use any name and address he wants.
There is NO process for validating Joe's name against other document.

Not according to California's Secretary of State's website:

What You Will Need
To register online you will need

Your California driver license or California identification card number,
The last four digits of your social security number and
Your date of birth.
Your information will be provided to the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to retrieve a copy of your DMV signature.

If you do not have a California driver license or California identification card, you can still use this form to apply to register to vote. However, you will need to take additional steps to complete your voter registration.

This is from the California form to register to vote:





And again, can anyone let us know if California has a history of election fraud due to their voter ID law?

[The Seer]

For most people it’s the threat of imprisonment.

Not since 2016....if you're NOT a democRat.

[Bill in Houston]

Joe can register on election day.
Joe can use any name and address he wants.
There is NO process for validating Joe's name against other document.

Not according to California's Secretary of State's website:

What You Will Need
To register online you will need

Your California driver license or California identification card number,
The last four digits of your social security number and
Your date of birth.
Your information will be provided to the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to retrieve a copy of your DMV signature.

If you do not have a California driver license or California identification card, you can still use this form to apply to register to vote. However, you will need to take additional steps to complete your voter registration.

This is from the California form to register to vote:





And again, can anyone let us know if California has a history of election fraud due to their voter ID law?

Yes, HPV’s lies have been completely exposed, along with his inability to read.

Yet he continues to rant about democracy. Because that’s all he hears in the echo chamber.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Thanks for the information, Roux.

I revise my scenario.

Joe Blow is required to prove identity to register, but once registered he is not required to validate his registration with an ID. He can show up, give a name, and if the name is on the list, he can vote as the name on the roll because Joe is not required to prove identity at the poll.
If Joe fills out a ballot for his dead brother, James, whose name is still on the rolls post-mortem, the ballot will be counted.
If Joe fills out a ballot for his father, Fred, whom is suffering dementia, the ballot will be counted.
If Joe fills out a ballot for his neighbor, Willie Brown, whom is vacationing out of country, the ballot will be counted.

If election officials want to validate these ballots after the fact, and make sure James filled out James' ballot, Fred filled out hisnown ballot, and the real Willie filled out Willie's ballot, how do they do it?

How do investigators know it wasn't Joe filling out ballots for other people?

I appreciate the serious replies in here.

[Roux]

If Joe fills out a ballot for his dead brother, James, whose name is still on the rolls post-mortem, the ballot will be counted.

It is my understanding that all Secretaries of State receive death notices from their respective Office of Vital Records as well as the Social Security Administration, and purges the names of the deceased voters from their lists of registered voters.

No, I do not have a citation for that, but without going into the specifics, that is what was conveyed to me by someone who is a subject matter expert.

Nevertheless, HPG's point remains, even if I have doubts that such is occurring on a significant level. Again, I do not object to an ID requirement to vote, as long as indigent persons can receive an ID without cost.

I have doubts that election fraud based upon a lack of an ID requirement has occurred in California. If anyone has information on this, please post it.

[Diego in Seattle]

Someone has never heard of what's known as a provisional ballot...

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Again, I do not object to an ID requirement to vote, as long as indigent persons can receive an ID without cost.

We agree.

I have doubts that election fraud based upon a lack of an ID requirement has occurred in California. If anyone has information on this, please post it.

You could be right, but again, how does the SoS detect fraud if someone can vote using nothing more than a spoken name? If Joe votes for his brother, dad, and neighbor and none of those people make a fraud claim, does the fraud go undectected?

To be clear, I don't have evidence of widespread fraud in California or anywhere else. What I have are questions about the new law in California. Seems like requiring ID is a good level of fraud prevention. Why remove that layer of protection?

[FiatLux]

Computers. They work pretty well here.

You can't vote here unless you're registered. Period.

Signatures need to match your sig when you register.

Fraud has never been a problem til the orange blob started crying about getting his ass-kicked and claiming voter fraud. Even his own daughter said he lost the election. Blob's sheep/parrots keep giving this delusion credence. They're literally propagating fraud by continuously promoting this grift.

He's going to get smoked by around 30 points in California so it really doesn't matter anyway.

[Meat Head]

Ok, don't show voter ID. Twice.

Idiot. Stay in CA.

[FiatLux]

Ok, don't show voter ID. Twice.

Idiot. Stay in CA.

You show an ID when you register, nitwit.


You Trumpers have a problem with reading comprehension. Shocking.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Fraud has never been a problem til the orange blob started crying about getting his ass-kicked and claiming voter fraud.

But not really.

[Meat Head]

Ok, don't show voter ID. Twice.

Idiot. Stay in CA.

You show an ID when you register, nitwit.


You Trumpers have a problem with reading comprehension. Shocking.

Stay in your sports thread, so you don't further reveal your ignorance here.

[88BuckeyeGrad]

Thanks for the information, Roux.

I revise my scenario.

Joe Blow is required to prove identity to register, but once registered he is not required to validate his registration with an ID. He can show up, give a name, and if the name is on the list, he can vote as the name on the roll because Joe is not required to prove identity at the poll.
If Joe fills out a ballot for his dead brother, James, whose name is still on the rolls post-mortem, the ballot will be counted.
If Joe fills out a ballot for his father, Fred, whom is suffering dementia, the ballot will be counted.
If Joe fills out a ballot for his neighbor, Willie Brown, whom is vacationing out of country, the ballot will be counted.

If election officials want to validate these ballots after the fact, and make sure James filled out James' ballot, Fred filled out hisnown ballot, and the real Willie filled out Willie's ballot, how do they do it?

How do investigators know it wasn't Joe filling out ballots for other people?

I appreciate the serious replies in here.

There ain't no fucking way in hell Roux or anyone else politically aligned with his views is going to answer those questions, HPG. They are like invisible ink on the screen.

[Roux]

I already responded to it.

[The Seer]

Depends on who you ask.

According to the Elections Division, the Secretary of State and the entire state government, County elections boards (except for maybe Shasta), and 99.9% of reasonable and reasonably intelligent citizens - no.

And a bunch of Republican conservatives sit on the Elections Division, serve as Secretary of State, and the entire state government, right?

Because we know Calif is pretty much neutral....

[Mikey]

Depends on who you ask.

According to the Elections Division, the Secretary of State and the entire state government, County elections boards (except for maybe Shasta), and 99.9% of reasonable and reasonably intelligent citizens - no.

And a bunch of Republican conservatives sit on the Elections Division, serve as Secretary of State, and the entire state government, right?

Because we know Calif is pretty much neutral....

You’re assuming that they are not trustworthy. So who would you ask? Stephen (spray paint) Miller?

[The Seer]

[Diego in Seattle]

Yeah, TX, MS, LA, & FL would have gone to Harris if not for those pesky voter ID laws...

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Diego hard at work missing the point again. Being a moron on purpose is a helluva choice.

Can anyone explain why California is still counting ballots? Fiat had me convinced the ballot tabulation computers were super duper awesome. Did they stop working? Did a poll worker accidentally check someone's ID and the whole thing had to be started over again? What's going on over there, Fiat?

[L45B]

Did a poll worker accidentally check someone's ID and the whole thing had to be started over again?

Ahhh, I see what you did there.

“Someone whose ID needs checked.”
“Whole thing start over again.”

You’re secretly implying we should return to a pre Civil War slavery state, no doubt.

This is a very covertly-tuned racist subliminal comment, and you thought none of us democracy-loving leftists (like me, Diego or m2) would notice??? We’re not fooled.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Did a poll worker accidentally check someone's ID and the whole thing had to be started over again?

Ahhh, I see what you did there.

“Someone whose ID needs checked.”
“Whole thing start over again.”

You’re secretly implying we should return to a pre Civil War slavery state, no doubt.

This is a very covertly-tuned racist subliminal comment, and you thought none of us democracy-loving leftists (like me, Diego or m2) would notice??? We’re not fooled.

You almost caught me. It was actually a dog whistle to our Zionist overlords in Hollywood and Media. I was giving them the all-clear to buy more unaccompanied minors and eat their pineal glands. And I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!