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[smackaholic]

A few questions about sleeping Joe preemptively pardoning pretty much anyone he thinks Trump is going to come after.

Is this really a thing?

Does a pardon mean these matters can’t be investigated?

The banana republic bullshit needs to be exposed, even if those responsible don’t actually do time.


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[88BuckeyeGrad]

A few questions about sleeping Joe preemptively pardoning pretty much anyone he thinks Trump is going to come after.

Is this really a thing?

There is talk. I doubt it will happen for anyone outside the Biden crime family.

Does a pardon mean these matters can’t be investigated?

Sort of. It cannot be investigated by a federal grand jury or otherwise within the confines of the federal criminal justice system. It can be investigated by the OIG and by Congress. State AG's and prosecutors are not affected at all.

[Roux]

Well, there is historical precedent for it, with Ford pardoning Nixon. Not sure if there are any other examples, state or federal.

But the Nixon pardon was never challenged, so there is no jurisprudence on that point. And even if there was jurisprudence, this SCOTUS has clearly shown that doesn't care at all about stare decisis, so your guess is as good as mine as to how it might play out in the court system.

A pardon does not mean the matters cannot be investigated. Biden has the ability to pardon for federal crimes, not state ones. It is entirely possible that a state district attorney could find a violation of state law, and a Biden pardon would not prevent that state prosecution and conviction.

[Mikey]

Obviously it should be a federal crime, enforceable retroactively and non pardonable, for Congress to investigate the crimes of a former President. And for journalists to report things that he actually said.

That should go without saying.

[Roux]

Congress should be able to investigate, regardless of any pardons. Congress holds fact finding hearings all the time, those are not criminal prosecutions. The President can pardon crimes, that is criminal law, not civil law. The President cannot provide absolute immunity, so civil actions may still proceed.

[Diego in Seattle]

Well, there is historical precedent for it, with Ford pardoning Nixon. Not sure if there are any other examples, state or federal.

Bannon, Stone, and Manafort at the end of Dump's first term.

[Mikey]

Well, there is historical precedent for it, with Ford pardoning Nixon. Not sure if there are any other examples, state or federal.

Bannon, Stone, and Manafort at the end of Dump's first term.

We’re not supposed to mention Trump.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

I hope no one is surprised when Diego can't recognize the difference between the Trump era pardons and the Hunter Biden pardon. Dude's pretty damned fukken stupid.

[Diego in Seattle]

I hope no one is surprised when Diego can't recognize the difference between the Trump era pardons and the Hunter Biden pardon. Dude's pretty damned fukken stupid.

This should be good...

What's the difference?

[88BuckeyeGrad]

I hope no one is surprised when Diego can't recognize the difference between the Trump era pardons and the Hunter Biden pardon. Dude's pretty damned fukken stupid.

This should be good...

What's the difference?

The Trump pardons were as to convictions and only those convictions. What is being discussed now is for Biden to grant blanket pardons for every potential crime that might have been committed.

You cannot really be this stupid. Your ability to appear completely bewildered by the obvious is impressive. Who coaches you on these troll jobs?

[Diego in Seattle]

I hope no one is surprised when Diego can't recognize the difference between the Trump era pardons and the Hunter Biden pardon. Dude's pretty damned fukken stupid.

This should be good...

What's the difference?

The Trump pardons were as to convictions and only those convictions. What is being discussed now is for Biden to grant blanket pardons for every potential crime that might have been committed.

You cannot really be this stupid. Your ability to appear completely bewildered by the obvious is impressive. Who coaches you on these troll jobs?

I didn't question it previously in here (I just got back from vacation) but the blanket pardon goes against my previous understanding of presidential pardons. I've understood that only specific crimes can be pardoned. It should be interesting where it goes from here.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

It's wild to see the Left supporting the Hunter pardon. If you Lefties are honestly concerned about the Trump team and family committing nefarious acts, you cannot allow this blanket pardon to stand. If Trump is the threat you think he is, and if you set a new standard for decade-long blanket immunities, you should assume Trump & Co is going to rape, pillage, and pardon themselves at a scale you can scarcely imagine.

You sure this is what you want? You'd better think this through, dumbfuks.

[Roux]

Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974.

From President Gerald R. Ford's Proclamation 4311, Granting a Pardon to Richard Nixon.

[mvscal]

Well, there is historical precedent for it, with Ford pardoning Nixon. Not sure if there are any other examples, state or federal.

Carter pardoning draft dodgers was a rather sweeping proclamation involving probably well over a hundred thousand people who were never formally charged. With the Nixon pardon, we were clearly talking about obstruction of justice. We're also clear on what laws draft dodgers might have broken.

Humper the Crackhead has been indicted for numerous federal crimes and Joetato does have the authority to pardon those specific crimes no question about that. The blanket pardon is dubious at best. If Humper murdered a hooker within federal jurisdiction in 2015, would he be exonerated by this pardon? Pedo Joe waving his arms and saying his crack addled cumshot is pardoned for anything he might have done for a ten year period doesn't pass muster. That is a fucked up precedent that needs to be challenged for reasons which should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Very well, gang.

I'm putting Roux, Mikey, and Diego on record. And I'm sure L45B from the 14th District of New York would like to be included as well, even though he hasn't made a personal declaration yet.

In 2028, when Donald Trump pardons members of his family and his administration using unfettered blanket immunity over extended periods of time, including time served in his administration, and time outside that term of service, you all get to preemptively shut the fuck up about it. Not a word, bitches. Not one fucking complaint out of any of you. This is what you wanted, this is what you'll get.

Peace, out.

[Roux]

Not sure what you're putting me on record for. It surprised me that Biden issued the pardon, and while I'm no expert on presidential pardons, it sure doesn't look good.

Whatever trump does will be considered and judged on its own merits.

The administration will be a train wreck, but not my monkey and not my circus. Those who voted for it can deal with it and clean up the mess.

[Mikey]

Wow. The King of the Strawmen strikes once again.



I think I already said in another thread that I don't really GARA what happens to Hunter Biden. As far as pardoning him for crimes that he's been charged with, I don't really like it, especially since he said that he wouldn't do it. But he's perfectly within his rights to issue that pardon. And if you disagree with that I would suggest that you check your hypocrisy at the door, go and check on the pardons that Trump issued during and at the end of his first term, and report back in the morning.

Regarding the pre-emptive pardons, I think it's a bad idea. And for you to imply that I ever stated differently makes you either a liar or a moron. I heard that he's considering issuing these blanket pardons to others, like Fauci, Liz Cheney, and Shifty Schiff and other members of the Jan 6 subcommittee. Shifty has already stated that he wants no part of it. In fact, I'd love to see Trump try and prosecute a sitting US Senator for doing his job when he was in the House. We'll get to see an even stronger indication of that an infantile little prick your pin-up boy is.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Not sure what you're putting me on record for.

Your response to the Hunter pardon has been, "Golly that's kinda weird but Nixon did a thing so whatcha gonna do?"

I'll grant you the same response when Trump's pardons arrive stiff and unlubed. You get to say, "Golly that's kinda weird but Biden did it so whatcha gonna do?"

[HighPlainsGrifter]

I think I already said in another thread that I don't really GARA what happens to Hunter Biden. As far as pardoning him for crimes that he's been charged with, I don't really like it, especially since he said that he wouldn't do it. But he's perfectly within his rights to issue that pardon. A

Like I said. You're on the record with this take.

When Trumpenhitler issues decade-spanning full-spectrum pardons of his kids and cabinet, your response gets to be the same. "I don't like it, but Trump is within his rights to do it."

That's your response in 4 years. You're on record.

[Mikey]

I think I already said in another thread that I don't really GARA what happens to Hunter Biden. As far as pardoning him for crimes that he's been charged with, I don't really like it, especially since he said that he wouldn't do it. But he's perfectly within his rights to issue that pardon. A

Like I said. You're on the record with this take.

When Trumpenhitler issues decade-spanning full-spectrum pardons of his kids and cabinet, your response gets to be the same. "I don't like it, but Trump is within his rights to do it."

That's your response in 4 years. You're on record.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

I think I already said in another thread that I don't really GARA what happens to Hunter Biden. As far as pardoning him for crimes that he's been charged with, I don't really like it, especially since he said that he wouldn't do it. But he's perfectly within his rights to issue that pardon. A

Like I said. You're on the record with this take.

When Trumpenhitler issues decade-spanning full-spectrum pardons of his kids and cabinet, your response gets to be the same. "I don't like it, but Trump is within his rights to do it."

That's your response in 4 years. You're on record.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

I went ahead and bolded the part you're confused about.

[kcdave]

I wish Joe would have gone all the way ....
Pardon Hunter for any future crimes that he may commit as well.

[Mikey]

Like I said. You're on the record with this take.

When Trumpenhitler issues decade-spanning full-spectrum pardons of his kids and cabinet, your response gets to be the same. "I don't like it, but Trump is within his rights to do it."

That's your response in 4 years. You're on record.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

I went ahead and bolded the part you're confused about.

Like I said, your reading comprehension apparently is quite limited. I was obviously referring specifically to the crimes he has actually been charged with. I believe that there are two. How does that become a decades long full spectrum pardon?

[L45B]

Very well, gang.

I'm putting Roux, Mikey, and Diego on record. And I'm sure L45B from the 14th District of New York would like to be included as well, even though he hasn't made a personal declaration yet.

In 2028, when Donald Trump pardons members of his family and his administration using unfettered blanket immunity over extended periods of time, including time served in his administration, and time outside that term of service, you all get to preemptively shut the fuck up about it. Not a word, bitches. Not one fucking complaint out of any of you. This is what you wanted, this is what you'll get.

Peace, out.

Apples and parachutes! You can’t compare the two because Grover Trump is already a convicted felon himself; plus a rapist, white supremacist, Nazi Socialist of the Third & Fourth Reichs, fascist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, xenophobic, xylophobic, pro- cis and pro- Hitler. Joe is not any of these things, in fact he is an empathetic statesmen and a very loving, caring father. You can’t compare the two and thus, who they pardon.

[mvscal]

In fact, I'd love to see Trump try and prosecute a sitting US Senator for doing his job when he was in the House.

Why bother? He could just have Eric or Don Jr. blow his head off on the steps of the Capitol and then pardon him. Easy peasy.

[Diego in Seattle]

In fact, I'd love to see Trump try and prosecute a sitting US Senator for doing his job when he was in the House.

Why bother? He could just have Eric or Don Jr. blow his head off on the steps of the Capitol and then pardon him. Easy peasy.

Which do you prefer, Uday or Usay?