Just had my draft tonight...

frodo_biguns · Post by **frodo_biguns** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:02 am

This is my league from high school(20 years already

) & college buddies!

Bulger, Marc QB STL
Jackson, Steven RB STL
McGahee, Willis RB BUF
Bennett, Drew WR TEN
Ward, Hines WR PIT
Johnson, Eric TE SF
Stover, Matt K BAL
Cowboys, DST DST DAL

Boller, Kyle QB BAL
Brown, Ronnie RB MIA
Faulk, Marshall RB STL
Taylor, Chester RB BAL
Williams, Ricky RB MIA
Bryant, Antonio WR CLE
Jones, Matt WR JAC
Porter, Jerry WR OAK

Gotta say I'm pretty happy with this team considering it's a 12 team league.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:59 am

Who gives a fuck?

frodo_biguns · Post by **frodo_biguns** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:02 am

JHawkBCD wrote:Who gives a fuck?

I thought this section was to be without smack? When will you stop being a dickwad? :roll:

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:28 pm

frodo_biguns wrote: Bulger, Marc QB STL
Jackson, Steven RB STL
McGahee, Willis RB BUF
Bennett, Drew WR TEN
Ward, Hines WR PIT
Johnson, Eric TE SF
Stover, Matt K BAL
Cowboys, DST DST DAL

Boller, Kyle QB BAL
Brown, Ronnie RB MIA
Faulk, Marshall RB STL
Taylor, Chester RB BAL
Williams, Ricky RB MIA
Bryant, Antonio WR CLE
Jones, Matt WR JAC
Porter, Jerry WR OAK

Gotta say I'm pretty happy with this team considering it's a 12 team league.

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAA!

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:29 pm

mvscal wrote:Pretty thin at receiver, but not too bad overall. I would pick another backup QB off waivers. If Bulger goes down, you're totally fucked.

I ended up with:

QB Brett Farvruh
QB Eli Manning

RB Ahman Green
RB Ronnie Brown
RB Duce Staley
RB Tatum Bell

WR Torry Holt
WR Darrell Jackson
WR Deion Branch
WR Greg Lewis
WR Kelly Campbell
TE Todd Heap

K Larry Tynes

D/ST Buffalo

= 0 wins Horrible draft

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:52 pm

frodo_biguns wrote:

I thought this section was to be without smack?

Where'd you get that idea?

This is my league from high school(20 years already ) & college buddies!

Bulger, Marc QB STL
Jackson, Steven RB STL
McGahee, Willis RB BUF
Bennett, Drew WR TEN
Ward, Hines WR PIT
Johnson, Eric TE SF
Stover, Matt K BAL
Cowboys, DST DST DAL

Boller, Kyle QB BAL
Brown, Ronnie RB MIA
Faulk, Marshall RB STL
Taylor, Chester RB BAL
Williams, Ricky RB MIA
Bryant, Antonio WR CLE
Jones, Matt WR JAC
Porter, Jerry WR OAK

Gotta say I'm pretty happy with this team considering it's a 12 team league.

Considering it's a 12 man league, the worst you can finish is 12th. Say hello to the cellar for me.........

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:04 pm

Mvscal your draft was fucking horrible. Who did you take with yoour first pick? Ahman Green? Brett Favre? Your dumbass probably selected Todd Heap with your first pick. The best player on your squad is not a player, but a team defense. That's how sad your team is.

If you think its a decent draft why don't you break down your picks round by round and give a hint of rationalization as to why you drafted such an abortion of a team. This should be hilarious

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:10 pm

DallasFanatic wrote:Mvscal your draft was fucking horrible.

I didn't have the heart to tell him DF, but you're right--that's a horrible team assuming it was a snake draft.......

QB Brett Farvruh-Could have been worse, but not a great pick
QB Eli Manning-Hope he's healed for the one game you need him for.

RB Ahman Green-Your QB and primary running back are from the same team--you don't see any problem here?
RB Ronnie Brown-untested
RB Duce Staley-if he plays, he'll get some yardage, just no touchdowns
RB Tatum Bell-second string right now

WR Torry Holt-a great receiver
WR Darrell Jackson-Ditto
WR Deion Branch-hit and miss at best
WR Greg Lewis-who
WR Kelly Campbell-Burleson is going to be the main guy
TE Todd Heap-nagging injuries seem to follow him around

K Larry Tynes-C

D/ST Buffalo-one of the premiere defenses.

Overall, I'd give it about a C-

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:12 pm

DallasFanatic wrote:Mvscal your draft was fucking horrible. Who did you take with yoour first pick? Ahman Green? Brett Favre? Your dumbass probably selected Todd Heap with your first pick. The best player on your squad is not a player, but a team defense. That's how sad your team is.

If you think its a decent draft why don't you break down your picks round by round and give a hint of rationalization as to why you drafted such an abortion of a team. This should be hilarious

Agreed. Fucking terrible Draft.

My latest one is OK-i'll be throwing a cat or 2 on waivers today.

QB-McNabb
QB-Delhomme (Lasted until the 6th round)
QB-Bledsoe (Last pick-there was absolute garbage left elsewhere)

RB-L. Jordan
RB-D. Foster
RB-R. Droughns

WR-T. Owens
WR-J. Porter
WR-P. Burress
WR-D. Stallworth
WR-D. Hall (second to last pick)

TE-A. Crumpler

K-Janokowski

Defense-Carolina

Defensive Player-Ed Reed

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:16 pm

Before you trash rosters perhaps it would help if the following info was posted with the rosters:

scoring system
keeper league?
where did you draft?
how many teams?

That usually helps in determining how bad a person drafted.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:20 pm

Not bad RJ.

I like the Jordan pick (even if you're a homer), and McNabb/Delhomme is a great combo. Before it's all said and done, I'm guessing you'll be able to parlay Bledsoe into a second level back at some point in the future.

Porter is fighting injuries, so that's a question......

Jim, there is no scoring system whereby mvs team would be considered a good team...unless he's going for the "lowest score" bonus......

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:22 pm

There's no question that you draft with 11 other retards.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:26 pm

mvscal wrote:......but I banked a thousand dollars last year....

Considering you probably spent $1,500, I'm gonna say it wasn't a good return on your investment......

If you have any openings in the league, be sure and let me know..........

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:34 pm

You're first pick was Torry Holt?

BUWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Like I say, be sure and say hello to the cellar for me Mr. Rockefeller....

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:35 pm

Felix wrote:Not bad RJ.

I like the Jordan pick (even if you're a homer), and McNabb/Delhomme is a great combo. Before it's all said and done, I'm guessing you'll be able to parlay Bledsoe into a second level back at some point in the future.

Im thinking the same thing....in a league of 16 peeps, somethings gonna give eventually.

Porter is fighting injuries, so that's a question......

Yeah, but everybody absolutely jumped on RB and WR's for thier first few picks-Hence the huge talent dropoff after Owens. Porter being single covered almost all season will pay huge dividends for me-he was worth the pick.

Jim, there is no scoring system whereby mvs team would be considered a good team...unless he's going for the "lowest score" bonus......

Seriously, mv's roster is fucking weak at best.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:36 pm

Ok mvscal, I promise to stop laughing my fucking ass off at your draft if you post the first 11 picks.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:43 pm

DallasFanatic wrote:Ok mvscal, I promise to stop laughing my fucking ass off at your draft if you post the first 11 picks.

Ditto.....

Raydah James wrote:Yeah, but everybody absolutely jumped on RB and WR's for thier first few picks-Hence the huge talent dropoff after Owens. Porter being single covered almost all season will pay huge dividends for me-he was worth the pick.

Don't get me wrong here RJ, I've got Porter in one of my leagues as well. I'm with you on Porter.

It's amazing how great minds think alike..........

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:54 pm

mvscal wrote:
Felix wrote:You're first pick was Torry Holt?

Yeah. He is an elite (top 3) receiver. What's the problem with that?

Post the first 11 picks and you'll find out

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:03 pm

mvscal wrote:
Raydah James wrote:Im thinking the same thing....in a league of 16 peeps, somethings gonna give eventually.
A 16 team league?

You must play with idiots.

Yep-like yourself, they make stupid fucking reaches and go for the big names first.

Trent Green, Brett Farve, Manning, Culpepper, Bulger, Vick, and Brees were all taken before I got McNabb. Same with Owens, who I got in the second round-Moss, Holt, Harrison, Johnson, Ward and Antonio Gates ( :roll: ) were all taken before I snagged Owens.

RB is where I got screwed, since everyone fucking jumped all over those early.

DallasFanatic wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Felix wrote:You're first pick was Torry Holt?

Yeah. He is an elite (top 3) receiver. What's the problem with that?
Post the first 11 picks and you'll find out

Concur.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:08 pm

mvscal wrote: Yeah. He is an elite (top 3) receiver. What's the problem with that?

Nothing, it's just blowing your first pick on a wide receiver is not the way to win championships...

Here's one of my teams in a 12 team snake draft. I had the 10th pick overall......

Favre, Brett QB
James, Edgerrin RB
Portis, Clinton RB
Bennett, Drew WR
Wayne, Reggie WR
McMichael, Randy TE
Carney, John K
Broncos, DST

Griese, Brian QB
Arrington, J.J. RB
Houshmandzadeh, T.J. WR
Porter, Jerry WR
Cooley, Chris TE
Seahawks, DST

I'd take my team over yours everyday.....

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:31 pm

mvscal wrote:
Manning, Culpepper, Tomlinson, Holmes, Alexander, McAllister, McGahee, James, Moss, Owens and Harrison.

You had all these guys left and your first pick was Holt?

Jamal Lewis RB
Corey Dillon RB New England
Domanick Davis RB Houston
Julius Jones RB Dallas
Clinton Portis RB Washington
Rudi Johnson RB Cincinnati
Kevin Jones RB Detroit
Donovan McNabb QB Philadelphia
Marvin Harrison WR Indianapolis
Tiki Barber RB N.Y. Giants
Curtis Martin RB N.Y. Jets

Like I say, if you have any openings...........

Edit: If you say I wouldn't stand a chance, then your league must be so heavily weighed to receivers that there's no point in even having RBs.....

Sounds like a real hoot.....

frodo_biguns · Post by **frodo_biguns** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:46 pm

<Head is Spinning>

I think having a QB go down this year in any of the top five could be damaging to any roster. But I believe Boller this year will have some decent numbers. I've backed up Jackson with Faulk, and have McGahee. Sure Bennett will see different coverages since he's the #1 guy now, but his height is the trump card. I really like Hines Ward, a receiver who constantly and quietly producesin fantasy football. Much like a Tiki Barber.

frodo_biguns · Post by **frodo_biguns** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:49 pm

Felix wrote:
mvscal wrote: Yeah. He is an elite (top 3) receiver. What's the problem with that?
Nothing, it's just blowing your first pick on a wide receiver is not the way to win championships...

Here's one of my teams in a 12 team snake draft. I had the 10th pick overall......

Favre, Brett QB
James, Edgerrin RB
Portis, Clinton RB
Bennett, Drew WR
Wayne, Reggie WR
McMichael, Randy TE
Carney, John K
Broncos, DST

Griese, Brian QB
Arrington, J.J. RB
Houshmandzadeh, T.J. WR
Porter, Jerry WR
Cooley, Chris TE
Seahawks, DST

I'd take my team over yours everyday.....

Portis and JAmes are clerly your strong points. After the Packers game last night keep a close on on Favre, they had hiom iced up after a take down. I think J.J. Arington is your sleeper, Denny Green may have found a running back and they finally have a defense in Arizona to help. Overall I'd give your team a 'B'.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:54 pm

Arrington worries me a little, but given that he's not a primary back.... and I'm weak at receiver.......

frodo_biguns wrote: Overall I'd give your team a 'B'.

That's about what I'd give it too......

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:57 pm

mvscal wrote: There is absolutely no comparison between an elite receiver and a second tier running back in our league. It isn't even close.

If you think

Jamal Lewis
Corey Dillon
Domanick Davis
Julius Jones
Clinton Portis
Rudi Johnson

are second tier backs......there is simply no hope for you......

but again, a league that is weighted so heavily to receivers that Holt can outscore every back on that list is not a league I'd like playing in....

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:57 pm

Your league is jacked up, but whatever floats your boat. I personally think you're full of shit and that you say receivers are more valuable because thats the only spot on your roster that is respectable (not spectacular). Is there a link we can all visit during the year so we get a good laugh at you getting your ass handed week in and week out?

Red · Post by **Red** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:13 pm

mvscal wrote:Running backs don't dominate our league. Receivers usually outscore them.

These two sentences should tell you why your draft sucks.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:15 pm

mvs, what is your league's scoring system?

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:41 pm

I'm guessing that WRs get points for receptions and bonuses for length of TD.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:52 pm

KUTTER wrote:I'm guessing that WRs get points for receptions and bonuses for length of TD.

That in and of itself would not make receivers the highest scoring category by any stretch of the imagination---has to be more than that....

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:01 pm

mvscal wrote:Pretty thin at receiver, but not too bad overall. I would pick another backup QB off waivers. If Bulger goes down, you're totally fucked.

I ended up with:

QB Brett Farvruh
QB Eli Manning

RB Ahman Green
RB Ronnie Brown
RB Duce Staley
RB Tatum Bell

WR Torry Holt
WR Darrell Jackson
WR Deion Branch
WR Greg Lewis
WR Kelly Campbell
TE Todd Heap

K Larry Tynes

D/ST Buffalo

Just so's you know, Tatum Bell is currently 3rd RB on the Broncos depth chart. He might get as many as a couple dozen carries all year unless there's a major injury.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:18 pm

WTF kind of scoring system is that?

By my estimates, a receiver that caught 10 passes for 100 yards would get 17 points, while the QB that threw those passes would get a total of 2 points......

Damn, I've seen some stupid scoring systems, but that one blows donkey dicks.

I also like the fact that a back gets a half point for a reception.......

:roll: :roll:

Nixhex · Post by **Nixhex** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:22 pm

12 team league. 23 man roster.

I can start:

QB
WR
WR
WR
RB
RB
TE
K
D
DB
DB
DL
DL
_________________________________________________________

HERE'S WHO I DRAFTED:

QB - JAKE DELHOMME
QB - CARSON PALMER
WR - NATE BURLESON
WR - ROY WILLIAMS
WR - DERRICK MASON
WR - ASHLEY LELIE
WR - DANTE STALLWORTH
WR - JUSTIN MCAREINS
WR - TYRONE CALICO
RB - EDGERRIN JAMES
RB - CLINTON PORTIS
RB - AHMAN GREEN
RB - RONNIE BROWN
RB - RICKY WILLIAMS (I got the pothead in the 19th round)
TE - L.J. SMITH
TE - BEN WATSON
K - JOSH BROWN

D - DERRICK BROOKS
D - RODNEY HARRISON
D - MARCUS TRUFANT
D - DERRICK JOHNSON
D - CHARLES GRANT
D - KEVIN WILLIAMS

I'm a little disappointed with my WR core. My RB situation looks pretty good. My QB's could be better but aren't bad. I really like my defensive players. My TE is fairly weak but their just aren't many great TE in the league and I'm not drafting one in first 6 rounds unless it's Tony G or Antonio Gates. I should be able to trade a RB at some point for a solid player in an area of need.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:49 pm

mvscal wrote:
Felix wrote:WTF kind of scoring system is that?

By my estimates, a receiver that caught 10 passes for 100 yards would get 17 points, while the QB that threw those passes would get a total of 2 points......

It is a finely balanced scoring system. 100 passing yards is a shit game for a QB since you seem to lack a clue.

Don't let that stop you from talking shit about something you know nothing about, douche.

Quit melting numbnuts.

Again, a QB that tosses 10 passes worth 100 yards to the same receiver gets 2 points for those passes, while the receiver gets 17. Yeah, nice balanced scoring system there.

Just out of curiousity, why do backs only get a half point for a reception?

Did I say your scoring system sucked......I meant it

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:54 pm

Felix wrote:You're first pick was Torry Holt?

Never injured and usually one of the best wr around. I think he has the most yards for any receiver within the past three years. Randy Moss gets more press coverage and Torry Holt beats him in the other categories.

Now the Bulger pick is risky. Rams offense loves to go through check-down after check-down, Combine that with a shitty O-Line and I'm guessing Bulger goes down by week 8.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:05 pm

mvscal wrote:
A receiver who gets 10 catches for 100 yards has had a good game and scores 17 points...a good score.

A quarterback who throws for 100 yards has had a shit game and gets a shit score of 2 points.

So what if the QB goes for 299 yards, w no TDs. He gets 6 total points while the receiver who caught the 10 passes still gets 17. If the QB throws for 400 yards with no tds, he gets a total of 14 points, while the receiver still gets 17. The only way a QB could get 17 points if he doesn't throw a TD is to go for about 500 yards.....

Yeppers, quite the "delicate balance".

Jesus tool, give it up.........

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:14 pm

mvscal wrote:
Felix wrote:
Yeppers, quite the "delicate balance".

Jesus tool, give it up.........
I've only been playing in the system for seven years and you have looked at it for five minutes...but you're going to try and tell me how it works?!?

Yo bud, it isn't that tough to figure out, it's just simple math.

If the analogy I laid out about the 400 yards is wrong, then POINT OUT MY ERROR

otherwise STFU

It's a stupid scoring system.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:16 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:
Felix wrote:You're first pick was Torry Holt?
Never injured and usually one of the best wr around. I think he has the most yards for any receiver within the past three years. Randy Moss gets more press coverage and Torry Holt beats him in the other categories.

Name those other fucking categories you moist messy twat. If you mean "Cocks Blown" than holt has randy beat by a mile.

Yeah, im sure Torry fucking Holt keeps defensive coordinators up at night like Randy Moss does. :roll:

Holt isnt in the same stratosphere as Moss, and never will be. Moss is 10 times the player that faggot Holt is.

Fucking moron.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:44 pm

mvscal wrote:The next time a QB throws for 400 without a TD will be the first. That is your first mistake.

But 300 and 0 TDs has happened fairly frequently. But, a better example would be the QB who throws for 300 and 1 TD vs the reciever who catches 10 passes for 100 yards.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:50 pm

mvscal wrote:
Offensive scoring:

Passing yards:

1 pt. per 50 yards passing, 3 point bonuses at 300, 350, 400 & 500. -2 pts per int, 2pts per passing 2 pt conversion
________________________________________________

Rushing yards (we just tweaked scoring a bit this year):

1 pt per 20 yards (was 25), 3 point bonus at 100, 125, 150, 200

Running backs score .5 pt per reception, 2pts for 2pt conversion
___________________________________________________

Receiving yards:

1pt per 25 yards, 3 point bonus at 100, 150, 200, 250

1pt per reception, 2 pts per receiving 2pt conversion
__________________________________________________

Roster:

1 QB
1 RB
2 WR/TE
1 D/ST
1 Kicker
2 Wild Card positions (must be RB or WR/TE)

In Yardage leagues, the easiest way to determine if a scoring system makes any sense is to look at generaly accepted average of a good game and compare the points - tweaking is usually done from there.

You didn't say what TD are worth - In most leagues it's 6 pts. rush or receive and 4 pts for passing

In your scoring system - based on yardage:

QB - 300 yds passing = 9 pts.
RB - 100 yds. rushing = 8 pts.
WR - 100 yds. receiving = 7 pts.

The basis on yardage shows WR at slight disadvantage so let's look at what happens when we add in 6 Receptions (about the average to get 100 yds.) to the yardage listed above

QB - 9 pts. (No change)
RB - 11 pts.
WR - 13 pts.

Since there's no bonus for big plays - a WR is 18% more valuable than a RB and 44% more valuable than a QB.

You don't show any penalty points for fumbles, yet Qb's get docked 2 pts per INT.

That's a pretty skewed scoring system and explains a lot about your choice of Holt.

The smart player would have drafted 2 WR in the first rounds and waited for a QB till the late rounds

T1B

Just had my draft tonight...

Just had my draft tonight...

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