Mayor Ray Nagin is a moron v19.0

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:53 pm

I was just reading about his grand plans to re-open New Orleans to businesses and residents in the next week or two. From a health and logistics perspective, I can't see how that is possible. Speaking as someone who has been to N.O. since Katrina, I think that his rush decision to make it "business as usual" will bite him in the ass. Much of N.O. is still a substantial health and environmental problem. Basic public services still are not operational.

I guess allowing some tourists to have a couple of cocktails on Bourbon Street is more important than the overall health and safety of those that reside in your city.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:09 pm

This comment will get this moved to the Spin Zone forum... but he'll just go ahead with his plan, and then throw a tantrum when everyone gets severely ill & demand that Bush should have sent the CDC in to stop the spread of disease... and then the Rev. Jessay Jasson will claim that Bush's oil cronies created toxic oil sludge that only made black people sick.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:34 am

After 9-11, you had 220 stories worth of toxic dust spewed all over NYC and nary a word of concern from Guilliani or Bloomberg. The EPA rused a report that said the air was good and soon the money poured in and commerce was moving along as per usual.

Even when the EPA's Inspector General admitted the reports were bogus, nobody gave a damn.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/ ... 7489.shtml

Feel free to assume the same rules will apply to New Orleans.

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:13 am

Where is all that seriously polluted water going, and could it end up causing some serious eco-damage?

Heads up, Fester, The Sicissippi may be coming your way.

Variable · Post by **Variable** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:27 pm

The water is going right into the gulf.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:30 pm

Variable wrote:The water is going right into the gulf.

I'm sure that won't hurt the seafood and fishing industries at all.

Variable · Post by **Variable** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:00 pm

Word. And I'm sure the gulf beach tourist towns won't feel a pinch either.

I hate that they're doing that, but if they were going to pump the city dry quickly, it's not like they had a choice. Since hardly anyone is going to go back to the slums, they could have taken their time to clean the downtown areas properly and filter and clean the water since they'd have to do the same to the buildings. But the second they did so there'd be another cry of racism.

Cross Traffic · Post by **Cross Traffic** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:43 pm

NEW ORLEANS - Residents began streaming back Monday as part of a plan by the mayor to reopen New Orleans one neighborhood at a time, despite repeated warnings from the top federal official on the scene — and
President Bush himself — that the city is unsafe.

Mayor Ray Nagin, under mounting pressure to rescind his decision to let people in, defended the move and complained that the federal official in charge in New Orleans, Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen, had made himself "the new crowned federal mayor of New Orleans."

Around midday, however, Nagin spokeswoman Sally Foreman said the mayor was reassessing the timetable for bringing people back into the city because of "external factors," such as a tropical storm headed for the Gulf of Mexico.

The dispute underscored the lack of coordination between federal and local officials that has marked the disaster practically from the start.

Do America a favor Ray and resign, and let someone with leadership skills rebuild NO.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:49 pm

Cross Traffic wrote:Do America a favor Ray and resign, and let someone with leadership skills rebuild NO.

I wasn't aware that Ray Nagin represented America. When did we vote for him?

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:02 pm

BSmack wrote:
Cross Traffic wrote:Do America a favor Ray and resign, and let someone with leadership skills rebuild NO.
I wasn't aware that Ray Nagin represented America. When did we vote for him?

America didn't vote for him, however, America will be cleaning up and rebuilding New Orleans. Hence, it is not unreasonable for America to consider his non-performance before and after Katrina hit and now this absurd position in asking him to step aside.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:40 pm

DrDetroit wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Cross Traffic wrote:Do America a favor Ray and resign, and let someone with leadership skills rebuild NO.
I wasn't aware that Ray Nagin represented America. When did we vote for him?
America didn't vote for him, however, America will be cleaning up and rebuilding New Orleans. Hence, it is not unreasonable for America to consider his non-performance before and after Katrina hit and now this absurd position in asking him to step aside.

And how should America presume to govern New Orleans?

Variable · Post by **Variable** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:32 pm

He didn't say we should govern New Orleans, he (essentially) said that we have a right to an opinion about the guy.

Personally, I'd be alright with a federally funded special election to recall the governor and mayor, if it's legal there. If it's not legal, since the city is under martial law, could the courts not fire the mayor? The guy has proven to be inept so far. I see no reason to reward that ineptitude by placing him in charge of a multi-billion dollar recovery. The guy is clearly in way over his head.

Normally I'd never be in favor of going against the will of the people, but his horrible leadership already cost a lot of lives. At some point you've got to go in a different direction. Then again, as corrupt as LA politics are, an alternative mayor could be the equivalent of taking out Saddam and replacing him with Uday.

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:43 pm

BSmack wrote:
DrDetroit wrote:
BSmack wrote: I wasn't aware that Ray Nagin represented America. When did we vote for him?
America didn't vote for him, however, America will be cleaning up and rebuilding New Orleans. Hence, it is not unreasonable for America to consider his non-performance before and after Katrina hit and now this absurd position in asking him to step aside.
And how should America presume to govern New Orleans?

Are you being obtuse for some reason?

I said that America is going to pay for this reconstruction. Hence, America can reasonably be expected to have an opinion on the guy.

What are you having trouble with?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:54 pm

DrDetroit wrote:
BSmack wrote:
DrDetroit wrote: America didn't vote for him, however, America will be cleaning up and rebuilding New Orleans. Hence, it is not unreasonable for America to consider his non-performance before and after Katrina hit and now this absurd position in asking him to step aside.
And how should America presume to govern New Orleans?
Are you being obtuse for some reason?

I said that America is going to pay for this reconstruction. Hence, America can reasonably be expected to have an opinion on the guy.

What are you having trouble with?

Either you convienently forgot the "asking him to step aside" part of your post or you're too stupid to recognize that if Nagin stepped down at the behest of "the American people" we would have no choice but to assume the responsibility of governing the city.

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:35 pm

Dumbshit, what was the context of the comments?

Do America a favor Ray and resign, and let someone with leadership skills rebuild NO.

Think about it.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:50 pm

DrDetroit wrote:Dumbshit, what was the context of the comments?

Do America a favor Ray and resign, and let someone with leadership skills rebuild NO.
Think about it.

I did. You're still not seeing the implications of that statement. The last thing we need is a national referendum on a local offical.

Cross Traffic · Post by **Cross Traffic** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:25 pm

Basically I am TIRED of his daily lameass quotes in the media. He comes off as someone who went to night school to get his GED.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:05 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050919/ap_ ... ne_katrina

NEW ORLEANS - Under pressure from President Bush and other top federal officials, the mayor suspended the reopening of large portions of the city Monday and instead ordered nearly everyone out because of the risk of a new round of flooding from a tropical storm on the way.

"If we are off, I'd rather err on the side of conservatism to make sure we have everyone out," Mayor Ray Nagin said.

Way to kick your own ass with that comment, Ray.

The dispute over the reopening was just the latest example of the lack of federal-local coordination that has marked the disaster practically from the start.

Nagin saw a quick reopening as a way to get the storm-battered city back in the business of luring tourists. But federal officials warned that such a move could be a few weeks premature, pointing out much of the area does not yet have full electricity and still has no drinkable water, 911 service or working hospitals.

Oh, but it's all Bush's fault. Or that crazy white woman governor's fault. But certainly not the black man's fault. Black people are never motivated by money.

Sincerely,
Annie in Albuquerque

Bush said White House chief of staff Andrew Card had been pressing the matter with Nagin. The concerns were also echoed by the top federal official in charge in New Orleans, Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen, who went on one news show after another to warn that city services may not be able to handle the influx of people.

Before reversing course Monday, a clearly agitated Nagin snapped that Allen had apparently made himself "the new crowned federal mayor of New Orleans."

What a fucking head case. It's becoming more and more clear what the pre-Katrina discussions were like in the three days prior to landfall.

Nagin did not give any specifics about how he plans to enforce the renewed evacuation order.

Why does this not shock me?

Off that shit mayor.

Del Juneau, owner of a Bourbon Street lingerie shop, said it would be premature to order an evacuation based on the storm nearing Florida. "Where are you going to go? What are you going to do?" he said. "I'm not going anywhere."

Worked the last time, too

"Send Bush here and we'll make him a po' boy and tell him to leave us alone," Kathleen Horn said as she cleaned up the debris piled in front of Slim Goodies Diner on Magazine Street in Uptown.

Stupid people never learn. Looks like Darwin will be teaching the world a lesson in deja vu.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:23 pm

It looks like Rita gave Nagin the opportunity to reverse course when he made an extremely premature and ill-advised call to "re-populate" N.O.

I wonder how he would have backed out of it if he didn't have a new storm to "change" his mind?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:30 pm

Rack Fu wrote:It looks like Rita gave Nagin the opportunity to reverse course when he made an extremely premature and ill-advised call to "re-populate" N.O.

I wonder how he would have backed out of it if he didn't have a new storm to "change" his mind?

"After further discussion with Adm. Thad Allen the joint coaltion of federal, state and my office agree it wouldn't be prudent to allow residents in until further notice".

Something like that maybe.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:25 am

Took my daughter to get her immunizations this moring and you wouldn't believe the amount of people lined up trying to get immunizations to return to Nawlins. Funniest part was listening to the more wealthy/educated/intelligent minorities criticise the idiots that stayed behind.

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:05 pm

BSmack wrote:
DrDetroit wrote:Dumbshit, what was the context of the comments?

Do America a favor Ray and resign, and let someone with leadership skills rebuild NO.
Think about it.
I did. You're still not seeing the implications of that statement. The last thing we need is a national referendum on a local offical.

You're still missing the context of the comment being discussed.

The point was not about Nagin leaving office, though NOLA residents ould do well to can him asap. The point is that Nagin should not be in charge of the reconstruction effort.

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:24 am

Variable Posted:
The water is going right into the gulf.

Draining the city
At the moment, the Army Corps and other state and federal agencies are concentrating on pumping water from flooded New Orleans, which sits in a bowl-shaped area below sea level. The effort commenced on Monday. By Tuesday, the city's Pump No. 6, one of the world's largest pump stations, joined two others to get the water out.
Draining the city will take up to 80 days, officials say, at which point the remaining sludge can be analyzed for toxic pollutants. Given the area's hot, humid climate there will be mildew, mold, fungus, and disease-carrying mosquitoes to deal with as well.
The water being pumped into Lake Pontchartrain will eventually flow into the Gulf of Mexico. But the pace at which that happens depends on natural processes — winds, future rainfall, cold fronts — that are difficult to predict and impossible to manipulate.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,605152846,00.html

It seems to be a tad wishfull to bank on natures cooperation just after a catastrophic natural event occured, but the best of luck there.

Likely:
Lake P will end up being toxic toast.
The ocean will also suffer greatly.

Ground Water:
The ground will prolly also have to accept some of that toxic stew with the eventual result of contamination to some of the inland well water systems, no?

Me thinks the full scope of the harmicide may yet not be fully realized.
It may take years of denial and deflection before the sad truth of just how horrible that bitch really was becomes known.

Have a nice day. :)

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:20 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote: Funniest part was listening to the more wealthy/educated/intelligent minorities criticise the idiots that stayed behind.

Risking death was obviously worth it for a chance to get their 'loot on'.

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:50 am

BSmack wrote:After 9-11, you had 220 stories worth of toxic dust spewed all over NYC and nary a word of concern from Guilliani or Bloomberg. The EPA rused a report that said the air was good and soon the money poured in and commerce was moving along as per usual.

Even when the EPA's Inspector General admitted the reports were bogus, nobody gave a damn.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/ ... 7489.shtml

Feel free to assume the same rules will apply to New Orleans.

....... well, fuck howdy. :(

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:22 pm

Rack Fu wrote:
I guess allowing some tourists to have a couple of cocktails on Bourbon Street is more important than the overall health and safety of those that reside in your city.

NO was fairly toxic to begin with..wasn't that some of the charm of the place? It was a place to get drive thru daquiris, get mugged, and puke in the streets...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:14 pm

Any questions?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:46 pm

mvscal wrote:Yes, I do.

Why didn't Nagin and Blanco follow Louisiana's emergency planning and evacuate New Orleans?

Be sure and lock up when you leave.

You do understand that when a FEDERAL disaster declaration is made, that FEDERAL power is being requested because STAE and LOCAL power is insuficient to meet the situation as presented.

Said declaration was asked for by Blanco and signed by Bush. But for some reason, the dumbfuck political hacks in charge of FEMA screwed up the disaster declaration.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:02 pm

mvscal wrote:Needless to say that has absolutely nothing to do with the failure to evacuate New Orleans which was the proximate cause of this disaster.

You mean the failure of the federal government to exercise its emergency powers in anything even remotely resembling a competent manner?

Got it.

Variable · Post by **Variable** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:39 pm

BSmack wrote: You mean the failure of the federal government to exercise its emergency powers in anything even remotely resembling a competent manner?
Got it.

Sorry, but blame in this disaster goes in this order:

Local
State
Fed

Feds screwed up plenty, but look at the difference in local and state response between Texas and Louisiana. TX handled it essentially all on their own, while LA waited around for the fed to do everything.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:15 am

Variable wrote:
BSmack wrote: You mean the failure of the federal government to exercise its emergency powers in anything even remotely resembling a competent manner?
Got it.
Sorry, but blame in this disaster goes in this order:

Local
State
Fed

Feds screwed up plenty, but look at the difference in local and state response between Texas and Louisiana. TX handled it essentially all on their own, while LA waited around for the fed to do everything.

So your defense of FEMA is that Texas did a better job because they did what FEMA shoudl have been doing?

So what's the point in even having a Federal response team if they are too fucking incompetent to even do the misson they've been assigned? God, the least they could do is be honest and tell people "Hey, we'll come down and shake a few hands and sign a few checks, but if you want anything done you better do it yourself."

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:17 pm

BSmack wrote:

Any questions?

omg. are you serious?

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:18 pm

BSmack wrote:
Variable wrote:
BSmack wrote: You mean the failure of the federal government to exercise its emergency powers in anything even remotely resembling a competent manner?
Got it.
Sorry, but blame in this disaster goes in this order:

Local
State
Fed

Feds screwed up plenty, but look at the difference in local and state response between Texas and Louisiana. TX handled it essentially all on their own, while LA waited around for the fed to do everything.
So your defense of FEMA is that Texas did a better job because they did what FEMA shoudl have been doing?

So what's the point in even having a Federal response team if they are too fucking incompetent to even do the misson they've been assigned? God, the least they could do is be honest and tell people "Hey, we'll come down and shake a few hands and sign a few checks, but if you want anything done you better do it yourself."

Bingo.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:35 pm

Risa wrote:
BSmack wrote:

Any questions?
omg. are you serious?

Here's the press release.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 827-1.html

Nowhere in there is any mention of Orleans, St. Tammany, St. Bernard...

Can you say completely fucking incompetent?

Jesus Christ, can anybody in FEMA even read a map?

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:50 pm

BSmack wrote:
Risa wrote:
BSmack wrote:

Any questions?
omg. are you serious?
Here's the press release.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 827-1.html
Nowhere in there is any mention of Orleans, St. Tammany, St. Bernard...

Can you say completely fucking incompetent?

Jesus Christ, can anybody in FEMA even read a map?

Are those Blue counties? I think I read all around NO are blue...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:50 pm

BBMarley wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Risa wrote: omg. are you serious?
Here's the press release.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 827-1.html
Nowhere in there is any mention of Orleans, St. Tammany, St. Bernard...

Can you say completely fucking incompetent?

Jesus Christ, can anybody in FEMA even read a map?
Are those Blue counties? I think I read all around NO are blue...

I know the counties all around N.O. are blue. But there are plenty of red counties that didn't get the help they needed because "Brownie" was doing a "heck of a job" fucking up even the simplest details. This goes way beyond simple red/blue partisanship. This is straight out total incompetence.

T1B

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