Enbridge makes FINAL Pipeline decision!

Ten Packs · Post by **Ten Packs** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:48 am

http://cnrp.ccnmatthews.com/client/enbr ... easeen.jsp

As reported in the Business Section of the weekend Vancouver Sun, Enbridge Inc. has made the FINAL decision to go ahead with the $4 Billion Petroleum and Condensate pipelines, from the oilfields of Alberta and B.C. to the Pacific coast of B.C.
In a move that will end, for good, Canada's "eggs-in-one-basket" past, this will now open the market for Canadian Petroleum to not only the United States, but the entire Asian-Pacific market, which is erupting. For instance, PetroChina has already signed a Memorandum of Understanding, committing to HALF the pipeline's capacity, due to open as soon as 2010.

Uh...... now about the softwood, the beef, and the Byrd Amendment, boys.... :wink:

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:21 pm

With oilsands production expected to almost triple in the next decade from the current one million barrels per day, Enbridge is just one of several pipeline companies planning new takeaway pipelines heading both east and west from Alberta.

And that's only a drop in the bucket, Saskatchewan is a rising player in the oil fields and natural gas production.

Refinery being built outside Edmonton...

There'll be no shortage of oil up here and not putting all the eggs in one basket's a good idea.
Chinese money's just as good as anyone elses that wants to buy our crude.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:51 pm

Canada has more oil than we thought?

Mmmmmmmmm

You guys best be careful. You know what happens to when corrupt oil rich states run afoul of Dubya?

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:30 pm

No need for us to worry, Dubya's public opinion and voter confidence can only handle one quagmire at a time.
With Iran, North Korea, Venezuela all ahead of us on his list... his time in office will expire before hand.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:27 pm

Quagmire? pffftttt. We got a lotta bored SAC pilots sitting around in the upper midwest that could take care of that thing and be back for lunch.

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:06 pm

smackaholic wrote:Quagmire? pffftttt. We got a lotta bored SAC pilots sitting around in the upper midwest that could take care of that thing and be back for lunch.

Riiiiiiiiight

Just like Bush figured it would be a cakewalk to bring Iraq, a country barely larger than twice the size of the state of Idaho under control eh?

That was over 2 and a half years ago.
Funny how the story has turned from "Mission Accomplished" to "we'll be there for years to come".
The troops might still be stuck (and Rack them for doing their best while serving under Bush's term) there in 10 years time but the costs of Bush's war will be left for those back home to clean up for decades to come.

Meanwhile, his ratings continue to slide quicker than a California mountain after a solid rainfall.

Friday, October 14, 2005

Bush approval rating dips to 39 percent

WASHINGTON: President George W Bush’s job approval rating has fallen to a new low of 39 percent in an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Wednesday. Bush’s approval rating dipped in the poll below a mid-September ranking of 40 percent. The survey also found only 28 percent of respondents believed the country was headed in the right direction, NBC reported.

Ten Packs · Post by **Ten Packs** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:15 pm

It the Americans ever invaded Canada, I'd open up a burger/pizza stand right on the TransCanada highway - with a HUGE sign outside, reading "American Money Taken At Par!"

All the Bubba-Joes and LeeRoys, who've never been past East Gumboot, Arkansas would flock to it, and I make a killing!

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:20 pm

It's ours, bitches! Keep your grubby hands off it this time.

*rolls around in pile of Encana share certificates*

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:41 pm

Donovan wrote:It's ours, bitches! Keep your grubby hands off it this time.

*rolls around in pile of Encana share certificates*

Ecana shares?

Niiice!
I bought into Enbridge back in 2002. I kind of wish now that I had bought more back then than the $5000 which I invested.

So that's a no on bringing back the NEP then? :twisted:

Ten Packs · Post by **Ten Packs** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:53 pm

I spent 27 years in the Petroleum Industry - FECK the NEP!

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:13 pm

Otis wrote:
Donovan wrote:It's ours, bitches! Keep your grubby hands off it this time.

*rolls around in pile of Encana share certificates*
Ecana shares?

Niiice!
I bought into Enbridge back in 2002. I kind of wish now that I had bought more back then than the $5000 which I invested.

So that's a no on bringing back the NEP then? :twisted:

I know many people in this country may think all Albertans have it great, but many of us sacrificed quite a bit to enable us to be in the sound fiscal situation we're in now. We're finally reinvesting in health care and infrastructure that has deteriorated over the last decade while we've paid off our debts. We've earned this prosperity and who knows how long it will last (the boom that preceded the establishment of the NEP certainly didn't). I'd like to see Alberta share its wealth, but we're taking care of ourselves first. Hopefully that doesn't sound too selfish.

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:36 pm

Donovan wrote:
Otis wrote:
Donovan wrote:It's ours, bitches! Keep your grubby hands off it this time.

*rolls around in pile of Encana share certificates*
Ecana shares?

Niiice!
I bought into Enbridge back in 2002. I kind of wish now that I had bought more back then than the $5000 which I invested.

So that's a no on bringing back the NEP then? :twisted:
I know many people in this country may think all Albertans have it great, but many of us sacrificed quite a bit to enable us to be in the sound fiscal situation we're in now. We're finally reinvesting in health care and infrastructure that has deteriorated over the last decade while we've paid off our debts. We've earned this prosperity and who knows how long it will last (the boom that preceded the establishment of the NEP certainly didn't). I'd like to see Alberta share its wealth, but we're taking care of ourselves first. Hopefully that doesn't sound too selfish.

It's all Ontario is asking for that Ontarians who pay Ottawa $23 Billion more in taxes each year than we get back in services, Ottawa level the playing field for us too.
Selfish, no.
Prosperity should be shared across the country... as long as the province sharing it has kept their own fair share off the top.
I don't have any problems helping out the provinces whose finances aren't as strong... but not to the extent that this province's infrastructure, education, healthcare suffers because of it.
Unfortunately, we had the misfortune of having an idiot (Mike Harris) in power for 8 years of the economic boom whose idea it was to let our infrastructure slide, sell us out to corporate interests and basically mangle our education system while making money for his Conservative cronies.

Joey Moss · Post by **Joey Moss** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:50 pm

Donovan wrote:*rolls around in pile of Encana share certificates*

How long you holding out? It dropped $10 last week.

*rolls around is pile of Husky Energy shares that did the same thing* :x

Joey Moss · Post by **Joey Moss** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:57 pm

Donovan wrote: I know many people in this country may think all Albertans have it great, but many of us sacrificed quite a bit to enable us to be in the sound fiscal situation we're in now. We're finally reinvesting in health care and infrastructure that has deteriorated over the last decade while we've paid off our debts. We've earned this prosperity and who knows how long it will last (the boom that preceded the establishment of the NEP certainly didn't). I'd like to see Alberta share its wealth, but we're taking care of ourselves first. Hopefully that doesn't sound too selfish.

Bullcrap! I'm Albertan and I gotta say that most Albertans didn't sacrifice anything. The debt was paid off with high oil prices and on the backs of the teachers, nurses, and other public officials that took their 5% wage roll back in th 90s.

And giving every Albertan $400, is hardly taking care of our selves or reinvesting. As an geologist in the patch the high I've benifited greatly from Klein's policies, but he's still an idiot who rules a rich provice...

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:13 am

I'm not going to get into a debate about who sacrificed how much, but just about every Albertan has had to deal with things like less access to health care, crumbling roads, rising tuition, increased user fees, and crowded schools.

And obviously oil revenues played a huge part in paying down the debt. Even though things are good I'm not a fan of Klein, and another $400 in my pocket isn't about to change my mind about him.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:51 am

RACK Smackoholic

Otis,

Ummmm, yeah, "Mission Accomplished".

Are you aware of how many "missions" it took to win WWII ?

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:20 am

Donovan Wrote:
I'd like to see Alberta share its wealth, but we're taking care of ourselves first. Hopefully that doesn't sound too selfish.

I'd like to see Alberta owe up and make right with the folk who were seriously hurt because of their cursed BSE thang.
All this talk of them doing so well seems a tad rude while they ignore the fact that some went under, and many others are near busted because of what their mad cow contribution did to cattle Canada.
I reacon that there are a mess load of hurting farmers who would not complain if the Alberta Govn up and developed a national conscience in that regard.

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:23 am

Tom In VA wrote:RACK Smackoholic

Otis,

Ummmm, yeah, "Mission Accomplished".

Are you aware of how many "missions" it took to win WWII ?

So you're admitting that Bush's "Mission Accomplished" statement that the war in Iraq had been won was a premature farce?

Or trying to compare Iraq (apples) to WWII (oranges)?

smackaholic's premise that Canada would be an easy target is so far off course it's laughable. They're gone now but it seems to me that there was a whole lot of bravado postings on these boards about Iraq being easy pickings and it'd only take a few months to a year at most to gain control over it back when they were first targeted.
Now Britain is saying it's looking more like 10 years before Iraq is stable.

LONDON (Reuters) - Iraqis may have to wait up to 10 years before their country becomes a stable democracy, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:29 am

So, because the case of BSE just happened to have been found in Alberta we should be responsible for all those who suffered across Canada? Yeah, right.

If it wasn't for the incessant lobbying by the Alberta Government and our cattle industy the border would still be closed, so maybe they should be thanking us instead of looking for a handout.

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:36 am

Donovan wrote:So, because the case of BSE just happened to have been found in Alberta we should be responsible for all those who suffered across Canada? Yeah, right.

If it wasn't for the incessant lobbying by the Alberta Government and our cattle industy the border would still be closed, so maybe they should be thanking us instead of looking for a handout.

Maybe I'm wrong but that's not the way I interpreted tl's post.

My thoughts were that he was referring to compensating the cattlemen, livestock haulers and farmers of Alberta who lost their businesses because of the borders being shut down due to BSE.

Building more processing plants here on Canadian soil's a good start.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:39 am

Nah, he said Canada, not Alberta.

I agree with you, some has been done to help ranchers, but mostly it got funneled to the meat packers. And there are more processing plants coming. Ironically, they're being slowed because of NIMBY politics.

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:07 am

Sorry Don, but your logic escapes me.
It's like you are saying that a person who was paralyzed from being gun shot should thank the person who shot him cuz he helped to take the bullet out.

Did Alberta's BSE result in the border closings, or not???
Did the border closing result in a whole lotta harm to cattle Canada, or not???

I'm just saying that seeing that Alberta has all this cash to throw around, why not use some of it to make amends for the hardships that their BSE caused to so many?

Is asking for someone to owe up to what they did, expecting to much???
I suppose if your following that Ad_Scam thang, the answer would be yes.
Perhaps taking responcibility for ones actions has now become obsolete in this country.

By me, it still seems like it would be the right thing to do.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:13 am

Otis wrote:So you're admitting that Bush's "Mission Accomplished" statement that the war in Iraq had been won was a premature farce?

Or trying to compare Iraq (apples) to WWII (oranges)?

smackaholic's premise that Canada would be an easy target is so far off course it's laughable. They're gone now but it seems to me that there was a whole lot of bravado postings on these boards about Iraq being easy pickings and it'd only take a few months to a year at most to gain control over it back when they were first targeted.
Now Britain is saying it's looking more like 10 years before Iraq is stable.

LONDON (Reuters) - Iraqis may have to wait up to 10 years before their country becomes a stable democracy, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said.

1. "Mission Accomplished" RE: A specific mission had been accomplished. Whether it was dethroning Saddam or .... now pay attention I might lose you here because I'm getting close to facts ....

The mission of that specific ship

2. Apples and oranges. Not really. Heavily related and a direct consequence of .... is more like it.

3. Water + Oil ? While BSmack can sit back and pretend he isn't part of the problem, you'll get no such duplicity from me. I need to drive and I get thirsty. If it comes down to you and me ........

"Farewell an' adieu ......"

:P

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:16 am

tough love wrote:Sorry Don, but your logic escapes me.

I'm shocked.

It's like you are saying that a person who was paralyzed from being gun shot should thank the person who shot him cuz he helped to take the bullet out.

Did Alberta's BSE result in the border closings, or not???
Did the border closing result in a whole lotta harm to cattle Canada, or not???

What did Alberta do, exactly, to cause the case of BSE? By all accounts it occured because of improper feeding practices by a single farmer. Maybe you should go after his ass.

I'm just saying that seeing that Alberta has all this cash to throw around, why not use some of it to make amends for the hardships that their BSE caused to so many?

Because it's not our BSE. Should Ontario compensate our health system because of extra costs it incurred due to SARS?

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:05 am

Tom In VA wrote:
1. "Mission Accomplished" RE: A specific mission had been accomplished. Whether it was dethroning Saddam or .... now pay attention I might lose you here because I'm getting close to facts ....

The mission of that specific ship

Is that today's current version of Republican spin?

The speech Bush gave on the day that that pic was taken had a different tone to it...

May 1, 2003

(AP) Remarks by President Bush announcing the end of major combat operations in Iraq Thursday evening from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln:

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty, and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment — yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage — your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other — made this day possible. Because of you, our nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free.

2. Apples and oranges. Not really. Heavily related and a direct consequence of .... is more like it.

Really? Iraq and WWII are heavily related?
Hmm... other than the fact that one nation had, continues to have and has used WMD in the past and accused (which was the principle reason given for invading) the other nation of having them (which they didn't), I can't see any correlation between the 2 wars.

3. Water + Oil ? While BSmack can sit back and pretend he isn't part of the problem, you'll get no such duplicity from me. I need to drive and I get thirsty. If it comes down to you and me ........

"Farewell an' adieu ......"

:P

Heh.. don't bother looking for anyone to back you up if it comes down to it. Oh sure, you could go it alone.. but could you really take on the world and win?
Besides which... shouldn't you be concentrating on Syria next?
Sounds to me as if it's your next Cambodia.
Don't worry, we'll keep those taps turned on for as long as you pay your bills. But this softwood lumber debt that you owe... it's causing more than a few to have second thoughts about those taps.
Hey.. afterall, money's money.
Nothing personal.

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:21 am

Donovan wrote:
tough love wrote:Sorry Don, but your logic escapes me.
I'm shocked.

It's like you are saying that a person who was paralyzed from being gun shot should thank the person who shot him cuz he helped to take the bullet out.

Did Alberta's BSE result in the border closings, or not???
Did the border closing result in a whole lotta harm to cattle Canada, or not???
What did Alberta do, exactly, to cause the case of BSE? By all accounts it occured because of improper feeding practices by a single farmer. Maybe you should go after his ass.

I'm just saying that seeing that Alberta has all this cash to throw around, why not use some of it to make amends for the hardships that their BSE caused to so many?

Because it's not our BSE. Should Ontario compensate our health system because of extra costs it incurred due to SARS?

I'm with Donovan on this one tl...

I can't say as though the fact that the money which should have gone directly to cattlemen, livestock haulers and farmers being funnelled to them via the meatpackers sits well with me.
I'd be surprised if there was anything left after the corporate hogs were finished with that trough.
Kind of like the situation going on in Brooks these days no?
Corporate management running the union president off the road...

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:55 am

Tom In VA wrote: 3. Water + Oil ? While BSmack can sit back and pretend he isn't part of the problem, you'll get no such duplicity from me. I need to drive and I get thirsty. If it comes down to you and me ........

"Farewell an' adieu ......"

:P

How wonderfully Christian.

Ten Packs · Post by **Ten Packs** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:00 am

Donovan wrote:So, because the case of BSE just happened to have been found in Alberta we should be responsible for all those who suffered across Canada? Yeah, right.

If it wasn't for the incessant lobbying by the Alberta Government and our cattle industy the border would still be closed, so maybe they should be thanking us instead of looking for a handout.

As much as I am a chronic player in the traditional BC/Alberta rivalry, I don't see where Alberta should get the boot-in-the-ass for this. The feeding of possibly-diseased ruminant by-products was, and is, A FEDERAL MATTER! Same holds true in the States, as I understand (and the U.S. has uncovered a case or two of it's OWN BSE - nothing to do with Canadian cattle - so anyone wanting to throw rocks across the border can damn well keep their hands in their pockets.

I know a guy on another Canadian Forum, a REAL Lefty!, but a one-time Farm-boy from Manitoba. He has been screaming for the six or seven years that I have known him - that the practice was INSANE.... turning cattle into Cannibals!

I never got the fuss, until I started seeing News reports from Britain, about "Mad-Cow Disease" which only seemed like a funny name....at first.

He was obviously right.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:22 am

Dr_Phibes wrote:
Tom In VA wrote: 3. Water + Oil ? While BSmack can sit back and pretend he isn't part of the problem, you'll get no such duplicity from me. I need to drive and I get thirsty. If it comes down to you and me ........

"Farewell an' adieu ......"

:P
How wonderfully Christian.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

1. Who said I was Christian ?

2. You don't like Christians, unless they "turn the other cheek" and let you oppress them.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:31 am

1. I just assumed you were from all the talk about the bible. I apologise if I'm wrong.

2. No, I simply practice what I preach. I don't require things both ways.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:31 am

Otis wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:
1. "Mission Accomplished" RE: A specific mission had been accomplished. Whether it was dethroning Saddam or .... now pay attention I might lose you here because I'm getting close to facts ....

The mission of that specific ship

Is that today's current version of Republican spin?

The speech Bush gave on the day that that pic was taken had a different tone to it...

May 1, 2003

(AP) Remarks by President Bush announcing the end of major combat operations in Iraq Thursday evening from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln:

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty, and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment — yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage — your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other — made this day possible. Because of you, our nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free.

2. Apples and oranges. Not really. Heavily related and a direct consequence of .... is more like it.
Really? Iraq and WWII are heavily related?
Hmm... other than the fact that one nation had, continues to have and has used WMD in the past and accused (which was the principle reason given for invading) the other nation of having them (which they didn't), I can't see any correlation between the 2 wars.

3. Water + Oil ? While BSmack can sit back and pretend he isn't part of the problem, you'll get no such duplicity from me. I need to drive and I get thirsty. If it comes down to you and me ........

"Farewell an' adieu ......"

:P
Heh.. don't bother looking for anyone to back you up if it comes down to it. Oh sure, you could go it alone.. but could you really take on the world and win?
Besides which... shouldn't you be concentrating on Syria next?
Sounds to me as if it's your next Cambodia.
Don't worry, we'll keep those taps turned on for as long as you pay your bills. But this softwood lumber debt that you owe... it's causing more than a few to have second thoughts about those taps.
Hey.. afterall, money's money.
Nothing personal.

1. Major Combat had ended at that point. The insurgent activity continues but major combat operations were over.

2. I don't plan on continuing this conversation if you don't understand the fundamental aspects of how WWII propelled the U.S. into the world stage and enabled cheeky, arrogant, subjects of the crown to abdicate their responsibilities for taking care of the world they fucked up for centuries prior to WWI and WWII. :roll:

2a. I'm all good with proliferation, let's blow the fucking planet up eh. If you think the U.S. being destroyed will do you any favors, by all means. Enjoy the vacuum.

3. I was kidding. Sort of. If we fail in the Middle East and to contain nukes and terrorists getting nukes. You'll have to compete for resources amongst your own countrymen. You won't have to worry abooot us.

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:01 pm

Donovan Wrote:
What did Alberta do, exactly, to cause the case of BSE? By all accounts it occured because of improper feeding practices by a single farmer. Maybe you should go after his ass.

Quote:
I'm just saying that seeing that Alberta has all this cash to throw around, why not use some of it to make amends for the hardships that their BSE caused to so many?

Because it's not our BSE. Should Ontario compensate our health system because of extra costs it incurred due to SARS?

Again:
Did Alberta's BSE result in the border closing, or not???
Did the border closing result in a whole lotta harm to cattle Canada, or not???

Do the questions need to be worded differently for you to not shirk prattle and ralph?

Did the BSE cases which were found in Alberta result in the U.S border being closed to cattle Canada?
Did those BSE cases which resulted in the border closing's create a great hardship to many who reside in cattle Canada?

I can understand how greed can quickly desolve moral fiber ('sup Feds) but right is still right, and right would be Alberta recognizing that it has a moral responcibility to help those whom it has harmed, NOW that it has the mean$ to do so.

Shirk it all the way to the bank, prattle it to the cold comfort of it's legality, and ralph it all the way to the high wire finally act of the poli_circus, my big money brothers, that still won't change 'the what is' of the 'what is right is right.'

As for more Packer plants in Canada:
100% in agreement, but only if the cattlemen sign an agreement to not run their product back to the State$ due to the enticement of making a extra few bucks.
That's pretty much what destroyed this countries meat production plant capability in the past.
The lean cattlemen and the over stuffed packers need to come up with a way which ensures that the farmer will always get a fair price in Canada, then have at it.

Any and all things which help get this country away from the Ugly_American dependency is a good thing.
Fuck 'Em Back...And if they want to take what is ours by force, so be it, at least that way it's up front and center for all of the world to see, instead of the low life way they been playing at the same damn thing for far too long now.
And, Scrap NAFTA NOW.

This is not a hammer on the good American Folk, just on their unscupulous de$pot admins who only appear to understand screwing people over, including their own.
Nothing much has really changed morally wise within that foulness since those horrid pigs raped, won, or whatevered their west. :roll:

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:39 pm

I already gave you my answers to your questions, tl. If you couldn't comprehend them, then that's your problem.

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:39 pm

^
Did Alberta's BSE result in the border closing, or not???
Your answer: It's not Alberta's BSE.

Did the border closing result in a whole lotta harm to cattle Canada, or not???
Your answer: They should be greatful because we lobbyed to get the border re-opened.

I comprehend your deflections.

You duck and jive the question of Alberta being morally responcible for the harm which they have singlehandedly brought down upon cattle Canada, yet you expect others to not think of Albertans as being selfish.
Seems to me ya'Alls are behaving more like the greedy rich American Ugly then you are Canadian.

You Wrote:
I'd like to see Alberta share its wealth, but we're taking care of ourselves first. Hopefully that doesn't sound too selfish.

Hey, it's Alberta's prerogative to conduct themselves anyway you see fit, just you don't be so damn hypocritical about it, and expect others to swallow your, 'we are not being selfish' crap.

What's right is right.
Which part of that are you not comprehending?

fix · Post by **fix** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:59 am

I can see your point TL.. but Donovan's right on this issue.
It's not Alberta's responsibilty to compensate the other provinces because the mad cow orginated in Alberta.
Just as Ontario was not responsible for any loss of tourism in Quebec or any other provinces with the outbreak of Sars.

The only people they should be compensating are the ranchers, livestock haulers and farmers that were seriously hurt by the border closings.

But I'm with you 100% on this though:

tough love wrote:As for more Packer plants in Canada:
100% in agreement, but only if the cattlemen sign an agreement to not run their product back to the State$ due to the enticement of making a extra few bucks.
That's pretty much what destroyed this countries meat production plant capability in the past.
The lean cattlemen and the over stuffed packers need to come up with a way which ensures that the farmer will always get a fair price in Canada, then have at it.

Any and all things which help get this country away from the Ugly_American dependency is a good thing

It's something I've been saying for the past few years... you don't put all of your eggs into one basket..

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:18 am

Otis wrote: Prosperity should be shared across the country...

Bullshit. That is exactly what's wrong with this country. Sharing the wealth just leads to continually supporting tax and spend provincial governments.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:29 am

Hapday wrote:
Otis wrote: Prosperity should be shared across the country...
Bullshit. That is exactly what's wrong with this country. Sharing the wealth just leads to continually supporting tax and spend provincial governments.

Funny how we tell our chidren it is good to share. Yet we don't think sharing a good idea for ourselves.

And we wonder why children rebel.

:roll:

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:57 am

Otis Wrote:
The only people they should be compensating are the ranchers, livestock haulers and farmers that were seriously hurt by the border closings.

That is all I am saying, O.

I seem to be the only person who believes that Albertas' wealth brings with it a moral responcibility to help out those whom it has adversely harmed.

When karma has it's day, *they too will reap that which greed and selfishness renders.

*Just heard that Wilma flexed to a Cat 5.

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:15 pm

BSmack wrote:
Hapday wrote:
Otis wrote: Prosperity should be shared across the country...
Bullshit. That is exactly what's wrong with this country. Sharing the wealth just leads to continually supporting tax and spend provincial governments.
Funny how we tell our chidren it is good to share. Yet we don't think sharing a good idea for ourselves.

And we wonder why children rebel.

:roll:

RACK!
You have to forgive him... he gets his values from a guy that looks like this....

Hap's obviously living in the wrong province...

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Government of Alberta to Issue "Screw You, Rest of Canada" Cheques to Each Resident of the Province

As global oil prices continue to skyrocket and corresponding revenues keep flowing into the oil-rich province, Alberta's coffers are overflowing. Government estimates indicate the province's surplus could be as much as $8.8 billion this fiscal year. Consequently, Premier Ralph Klein has announced that every resident of the province he has ruled like a Hapsburg king lo these past 386 years will be getting a big fat prosperity payday of 400 dollars.

"We have to do something with all of this extra cash we've got lying around," said the Conservative Premier at a press conference to explain how the dividend will work. "We quite literally have more money than we know what to do with. I stubbed my toe this morning on a big bag of hundreds in my garage.

Totally out of character, the Alberta Premier became testy when an insolent reporter from Upper Canada had the temerity to question him about Alberta profiting from high energy prices while Canadians are about to face enormous increases in their heating bills this winter. "Look! It's our money! Get your grubby Central Canadian hands off of it!" barked the Premier. "We'll do what we want!

"Bring on some more goddamned hurricanes!"

Despite the province's apparent generosity and benevolence towards its citizenry, the prosperity dividend program has been subject to criticism from certain Albertans with book-learnin' and the like.

"Just throwing money at the people of Alberta when it could be used to address real problems that the province is facing is incredibly short-sighted. It's poor stewardship of the public purse," said Professor Duncan Keptorium of the Drumheller School of Economics. "This surplus should be spent on big honkin' corporate tax cuts, or something equally socially responsible."

Klein, however, would have none of it.

"Sure, special interests like schools and hospitals have suggested that we re-invest the surplus into that sort of useless crap, but that's not gonna happen. That might be what the academic elites want, but it's not what Henry and Martha want. They told me so, "said the premier of the mysterious couple to whom he keeps making cryptic references, and who had been assumed to be fictitious archetypes.

Added the Premier, who's also an expert on the political history of Chile: "We should reward ourselves! We're stinkin' rich because we're lucky enough to live in an area where the dinosaurs happened to die!"

"Uh, well, that and my...governing...it's the dinosaurs, and my fiscal discipline."

Response from everyday Albertans to their forthcoming 'Ralph bucks' appears to be positive. Henry Van Peersie, a 24-year-old pipefitter from Calgary, was very enthusiastic when told 400 tax-free dollars were coming his way shortly from mother government: "Sweet! I'm gonna buy me a custom leather cover for my Honda's stick-shift, and I'm gonna put a great big Nike swoosh decal on the back window of my car," said Van Peersie.

"Wow, 400 bucks-that's gonna buy a whole lotta soup-in-a-cup," added Edmonton Oilers forward Ryan Smyth, when asked to comment on the dividend program by a confused sports reporter. Smyth, a native of Banff, will earn $3.5 million dollars this season.

Alberta Finance Minister Shirley McClellan, who was hiding behind a curtain at Klein's press conference, added that those with no address can just go to the Premier's official residence, and he'll be sure to throw at least a few bucks worth of quarters at them. "Ralph's real good at throwing money, especially change," said Minister McClellan.

Each and every Albertan will receive one of six different special 'Screw You, Rest of Canada' commemorative cheques in the mail in the next six weeks.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:36 am

1. Major Combat had ended at that point. The insurgent activity continues but major combat operations were over.

not buying that concept. His intent was to put a stamp of finality on it, and he was waaay premature. the pre mentality was go in get out. the post mentality is now an unknown, spun as a long term war on terror.