That mighty SEC sure looked tough in South Bend today

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:41 pm

no Van re-read what you said...an early season OSU team that doesn't have much of an offense anyway? that would lead many to believe that you don't follow the current state of CF???

Look who gives a flying FUCK...USC/UT is going to be the Rose provided neither implodes...

as far as tOSU is concerned...these fuckers better win out and get the at-large...or at worst Cap one...

12 Days Until the FUCKING GAME...WHO IS PUMPED?

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:46 pm

PSU, bark up another tree.

My post was simply concurring that things could have easily gone the other way for OSU this year. IMO, OSU is a blocked FG from a third loss.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:57 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:no Van re-read what you said...an early season OSU team that doesn't have much of an offense anyway? that would lead many to believe that you don't follow the current state of CF???

All due respect, but anybody who follows the current state of CF would agree that OSU's current offense (much less the nascent one Texas faced in Week 1) in no way compares to USC's and OSU's Week 1 offense didn't even begin to prepare Texas for what USC will bring in the Rose Bowl.

Those were my only points, regarding OSU/Texas/USC.

Can you even begin to dispute this?

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:05 pm

There is no disputing this, imo, Van. OSU's offense has been rather meek the last two seasons and this one is no different. OSU's defense kept them in that game and gave Texas fits.

I don't think Texas has played a game against a team with such a pwerful offense as USC's. On the other hand, Texas's offense is nothing to sneeze at and USC's defense has been spotty this season.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:17 pm

I think we'll discover in the Rose Bowl that Texas' offense is pretty much something to sneeze at, once they're no longer playing Big XII stooges who are mentally defeated before the first snap ever takes place.

Even with the advantages afforded them by playing against a very quiet OSU offense that didn't put any pressure on 'em how many points did Texas' offense put up that day?

We said it last year and it's going to be true again this year: Give USC a month to game plan against a Big XII team (both sides of the ball) and the result will be both predictable and horrific.

Texas is going to have to hope to win the turnover battle, big, and USC simply doesn't beat themselves late in the season. Otherwise, minus the turnovers, Texas is going to find themselves down awfully quickly and by an awful lot and then the realization that USC ain't folding up like Taco Tech is going to come crashing down on Texas and it's quickly going to snowball into another Bowl Game rout for USC.

Miami would give USC a much tougher game since they're at least somewhat used to seeing Pro Style offenses, even if not quite at USC's level.

Vince Young is going to implode, exactly like Marcus Vick. Matt Leinart is going to step up in a big game and perform, exactly like...Matt Leinart.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:21 pm

The more I see, the more I think UT/USC would be a hell of a matchup. Comparative analysis of opponents be damned - these are two teams that are talent-heavy and powerful on both sides of the ball. Should they get through their seasons undefeated, we might be in for a hell of a game.

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:24 pm

I disagree, Van, OSU has a very good defense and has for a couple of seasons now, good enough to put the clamps on Texas.

And even given that the Big XII is down this season, it hasn't stopped Texas from hanging 45 or more points routinely.

I'm not saying Texas is going to beat USC, however, Texas has the abilty to put up big points and, I notice you didn't comment at all on it, USC's defense has been spotty this season. Those two things together suggests that Texas will be able to hang some points on USC. So while USC will likely score a bunch of points on Texas, I think Texas can return the favor and keep it respectable.

But I think you're right re: Miami. That team's defense has the capability of locking down USC. They did a terrific job versus VaTech on Saturday...blew me away considering the VaTech hype of running the table and leap-frogging Texas. Miami's offense, though...another story.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:35 pm

DrDetroit wrote:But I think you're right re: Miami. That team's defense has the capability of locking down USC. They did a terrific job versus VaTech on Saturday...blew me away considering the VaTech hype of running the table and leap-frogging Texas. Miami's offense, though...another story.

I agree. I'll admit that the Hokies were vastly overrated, but it seemed as if Maimi's D was playing with 2 or 3 extra people. As soon as Vick got the ball there were 3 Canes in his grill. And when he could get a pass off the CBs could have INTed almost every pass. Not only are those fuckers scary fast, but they can hit as well. Beamer is still an idiot for not running the ball more and playing as if they were down by 30 in the first half.

DrDetroit · Post by **DrDetroit** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:49 pm

VaTech simply could not run or pass the ball against that team.

You know, one of the best games all season for me was watching FSU/Miami early on. Talk about two teams with scary fast defenses. The second half of that game was just a defensive showcase. As soon as that ball was snapped, both teams were all over the qb, I mean all over the fool.

Neither team could do anything about it offensively. After watching that game I pretty much concluded that no Big Ten team handle that kind of defense and defensive speed. I hope that neither PSU, OSU, or Michigan ends up playing FSU or Miami in a bowl...they'd get crushed defensively.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:55 pm

PSUFAN wrote:The more I see, the more I think UT/USC would be a hell of a matchup. Comparative analysis of opponents be damned - these are two teams that are talent-heavy and powerful on both sides of the ball. Should they get through their seasons undefeated, we might be in for a hell of a game.

Difference makers:

-Pete Carroll vs Mack Brown in a big game.

-USC's balance.

-USC's big game experience and poise.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:15 pm

Van I never compared tOSU's offense to anyone...I just stated that lately their offense has come alive...has it been at the expense of rather mediocre defenses...sure...

at the same time...Ginn has come along in the passing game, Holmes is a stud, Gonzo has come along well, and Pittman and the OL have asserted themselves...not saying tOSU would hang 40 on SC or anyone for that matter, but I would still say their offense LATELY is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be...also we did hang 31 on Iowa and 22 on Texas...not to go with Sour Grapes, but had tOSU converted some of those FG's into TD's tOSU would have dropped 34 on Texas...now it goes the other way in that if Texas hadn't turned the ball over then tOSU doesn't get 9 MEASILY points on FG's...

anyway I agree with Detroit in that the tOSU defense can compete with anyone on any given day...not saying they would shut down SC, but they did do a pretty good job of containing Texas after their first two drives and I know their was a lot of hitting going on on both sides of the ball (defensively) and VY to his credit gave props to the OSU defense for the game they played...

ah who gives a fuck...just as long as we beat Gargamel and that fucking school up north...

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:26 pm

DrDetroit wrote:I disagree, Van, OSU has a very good defense and has for a couple of seasons now, good enough to put the clamps on Texas.

But OSU doesn't have a very good offense, especially back in Week 1. They certainly don't have USC's offense. Texas had all sorts of offensive chances against OSU because of this and they didn't do all that much offensively.

They couldn't get away with that against USC. USC is going to consistently score points and keep the pressure on the Texas offense.

And even given that the Big XII is down this season, it hasn't stopped Texas from hanging 45 or more points routinely.

Sure, after having played only one real team all season (OSU), against whom they didn't score 45, did they?

All of which will mean precisely dick anyway when they face USC in the Rose Bowl and USC proves more than able to match them score for score. Texas won't be able to take the pressure. Young will turn the ball over. His receivers will turn the ball over.

It'll be against USC, for the national championship, in the Rose Bowl, with Keith Jackson commenting. Texas will crack. USC won't.

I'm not saying Texas is going to beat USC, however, Texas has the abilty to put up big points and, I notice you didn't comment at all on it, USC's defense has been spotty this season.

No, they haven't. They've given up a bunch of meaningless yards and points during extended garbage time of blowouts and that's why their defensive stats look the way they do.

Other than a couple early season slow starts which they quickly and completely rectified only Notre Dame at South Bend did anything against USC's defense while the game was still in doubt in the second half. Notre Dame's offense is a very good offense in general and that team on that day in that stadium very likely beats any other team in America.

That's it. Other than that, when has USC's D ever looked in jeopardy for any length of time?

Also, keep in mind that Pac 10 offenses are going to move the ball and score. That's what they do. They'll move the ball and score on just about anybody.

ASU put up 570 yards against LSU and basically had 'em beaten were it not for some special teams blunders.

Bottom line, SC's defense has only looked "spotty" in comparison to their overwhelming offense, the same offense which has put so many games out of reach and into garbage time so early that they've hurt SC's defensive stats.

You want "spotty"? I'll give you "spotty": USC's special teams play, all season long. That's their true Achilles' Heel.

Those two things together suggests that Texas will be able to hang some points on USC. So while USC will likely score a bunch of points on Texas, I think Texas can return the favor and keep it respectable.

"Some points", yes, and they'll likely keep it respectable...for awhile. That is, right up until they fall behind 21-7 and start pressing. Young will turn it over and soon it'll be 28-7 and then the enormity of their situation and of their opponent will suddenly hit them and then the floodgate of panic induced mistakes will open and the rout will be on...

But I think you're right re: Miami. That team's defense has the capability of locking down USC.

"Locking down USC"? Let's not get carried away here. They'd compete more effectively, sure, but nobody in CF is ever going to lock down USC's current offense.

They did a terrific job versus VaTech on Saturday...blew me away considering the VaTech hype of running the table and leap-frogging Texas. Miami's offense, though...another story.

This was Va Tech's first meaningful test of the season and they and Marcus Vick failed miserably. They were exposed as having a one dimensional offense led by yet another overrated running back masquerading as a QB. Those types of offenses are easily shut down by defenses with equal athletes and even a modicum of poise, both of which describe Miami's defense.

Texas' offense banks on the same sort of advantages over their opponents that Va Tech enjoyed over their previous opponents. That sort of one dimensional simplicity is all well and good when you're playing Baylor or Virginia, teams which are completely overmatched physically. They bite so hard on every play action pass (because they have to) that they even manage to make people like Vince Young look semi competent at times as a passer.

That sort of offensive approach is not going to help you when you play USC. It's going to expose you.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:35 pm

Van I never compared tOSU's offense to anyone...

But I did, to USC's, which was the whole point.

OSU's offense isn't within shouting distance of USC's, especially back when Texas played OSU, so no, nothing Texas has seen this year has in any way prepared them to face USC in the Rose Bowl.

That's no knock against OSU, it's just a fact. Between OSU in the first week of the season and the Big XII all during the season Texas hasn't faced one legitimately powerful offense this entire season.

They've also only faced only one quality squad all season, which was OSU's defense. Any good team would've rolled through the Big XII this year and named their final score each week. Because of this I put almost zero stock in Texas' stats and especially Vince Young's stats.

Because of this, I see zero difference between this year's Texas team and last year's OU team, which I think was better than this year's Texas team anyway.

Either way, either team, USC exposes 'em and destroys 'em in a national title game situation.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:10 pm

BtH, even bad Pac 10 teams generally still throw the ball well and put up a decent modicum of yards/points, and it generally hasn't mattered who they play.

Even when they go OOC they might lose the game but they're going to score their points. :-)

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:13 pm

Van wrote:Either way, either team, USC exposes 'em and destroys 'em in a national title game situation.

Word. Because what "should" happen is what always happens.

Sincerely,

2002 Miami fan

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:14 pm

Van wrote:BtH, even bad Pac 10 teams generally still throw the ball well and put up a decent modicum of yards/points, and it generally hasn't mattered who they play.

Even when they go OOC they might lose the game but they're going to score their points. :-)

Are these the selling points for Pac 10 apologists these days? Jeez...sad. Your best bet, Pac10 fan, is to ride this USC train for all it's worth...which means the rest of this season.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:34 pm

Or even better, BtH, like when Stanford put up a whole 17 points in the LOSS to UC Davis?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:59 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Well, sure, but Stanford's not bad. They're excreable.

Don't know what excreable means, but I'll assume you're on my side here.

Back to van's point though, since when was it impressive for teams to score a lot of points out of conference? All major conference teams are playing mediocre-to-horrible mid major teams anyway. Aren't they SUPPOSED to score a lot of points, win or lose?

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:41 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject:

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Van wrote:
Either way, either team, USC exposes 'em and destroys 'em in a national title game situation.

Word. Because what "should" happen is what always happens.

Sincerely,

2002 Miami fan

I laughed...

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:58 am

Of course what should happen isn't always going to happen. That's why they go ahead and play the games anyway. Upsets happen. Nothing new there.

It'd be interesting to see though who'd bet their own money against USC come Rose Bowl time...

Also, who do you thing Vegas will favor, and by how much? I think that if form holds and both teams cruise into the Rose Bowl everybody pretty much knows USC will be the favorite and it'll probably be by about 6 1/2 to 7...

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:17 am

Reading this thread, seeing all the analysis of a Longhorns-Trojans Rose Bowl, I couldn't help but think back to this time last year when a supposedly better all around Big 12 school was rumored to be heading for a showdown in "one helluva game come first week of January", only to find out it was some overhyped squad one year away from being an embarrasement to it's own conference (and would be THE biggest embarrasement if not the even more embarrassing conference counterpart over in Lincoln).

Don't get me wrong, I'm right there with everyone thinking UT-USC is/will be one helluva game. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if that does happen, can Longhorn fan do Trojan a favor and promise us to be competitive for at least a half of football this time? TIA.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:21 am

Van wrote:
buckeye_in_sc wrote:no Van re-read what you said...an early season OSU team that doesn't have much of an offense anyway? that would lead many to believe that you don't follow the current state of CF???
All due respect, but anybody who follows the current state of CF would agree that OSU's current offense (much less the nascent one Texas faced in Week 1) in no way compares to USC's and OSU's Week 1 offense didn't even begin to prepare Texas for what USC will bring in the Rose Bowl.

Those were my only points, regarding OSU/Texas/USC.

Can you even begin to dispute this?

I swear Van you are the stupidest MF on this board

Only a Moron could look at OSU and claim thier offense won't prepare Texas for USC. How about their defense, its should be pretty obvious even to a pea-brain like yourself that OSU more than prepares the Texas offense for the defense USC has.

The OSU defense is far superior to the USC defense, get used to it cause its true.

If you are concerned about Texas facing an offense equal to yours we did face Taco Tech who happens to have the #1 passing offense in the country and our defense faces our offense on a daily basis which happens to be ranked right behind USC in scoring offense.

I think our defense will be more than ready for your offense, but I have yet to see USC face a single defense anywhere close to the Texas defense, but I'm sure your 41st ranked defense will give you a good look :?

Question for Roofer,
Outside of Texas and OU having a common conference affiliation is there any other comparison you can make between the two that would lead you to believe that USC will do to Texas what they did to blOwU?

Keep in mind that every passing team OU faced last year pretty much lit them up. It did not surprise me that USC did the same thing. Texas on the other hand has the most talented defensive backfield in the country.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:01 am

Van wrote:It'd be interesting to see though who'd bet their own money against USC come Rose Bowl time...

Also, who do you thing Vegas will favor, and by how much? I think that if form holds and both teams cruise into the Rose Bowl everybody pretty much knows USC will be the favorite and it'll probably be by about 6 1/2 to 7...

I've picked them plenty of times this year (ATS) and lost. :x Given that if USC doesn't lose, you're probably about right in what the spread should be on a neutral field. But given that MNC game this year is a virtual home game for them, I wouldn't be surprised if the spread is 9.5 or higher.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:11 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:If you are concerned about Texas facing an offense equal to yours we did face Taco Tech who happens to have the #1 passing offense in the country

Taco Tech's pass offense ranking may be inflated. Taco has rolled up much of those numbers against the Big 12, and even you admit that the Big 12 is down this year with the exception of Texas. The one time Taco went up against a decent defense -- yours -- they were held to 17 points.

and our defense faces our offense on a daily basis which happens to be ranked right behind USC in scoring offense.

Have you ever been to a college football practice? The first defense usually goes up against the scout team offense and vice versa. To say that your offense has prepared your defense for USC's offense is a non-reality, because in all likelihood, the first defense has spent very little time against the first offense in practice.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:52 pm

Van wrote:Of course what should happen isn't always going to happen. That's why they go ahead and play the games anyway. Upsets happen. Nothing new there.

Yes, but the basis of my joke was to reveal how you're not giving Texas any sort of chance in this game, whatsoever. You have to remain open minded about these kind of games. You haven't seemed to demonstrate that even on the smallest level, in any thread.

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:18 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
Question for Roofer,
Outside of Texas and OU having a common conference affiliation is there any other comparison you can make between the two that would lead you to believe that USC will do to Texas what they did to blOwU?

Keep in mind that every passing team OU faced last year pretty much lit them up. It did not surprise me that USC did the same thing. Texas on the other hand has the most talented defensive backfield in the country.

Vito,

Other than the type of rhetoric that's going on in the way of speculation between UT and SC playing in the Rose Bowl, and the familiar ring that same rhetoric about SC-OU last year had, there are very little similarities between OU and UT. I do remember last year people being highly skeptical about SC's defense being able to slow down OU. I suspect that same type of talk will be going on this year as well. All I'm saying is, I didn't expect SC to run OU out of the stadium last year and yet it happened. I hope I can enjoy 3 hours of good competitive football this year instead of watching Friends reruns after 90 minutes (and no, I don't really watch Friends.....it was mentioned for effect...ha!).

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:13 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Taco Tech's pass offense ranking may be inflated. Taco has rolled up much of those numbers against the Big 12, and even you admit that the Big 12 is down this year with the exception of Texas. The one time Taco went up against a decent defense -- yours -- they were held to 17 points.

Tech Coach Mike Leach is a BYU grad who learned his offense from Norm Chow/Lavelle Edwards. Tech may not have the guns that USC has but they were a good test and it allowed Texas a look at what they can expect to see from USC. Yes the Big 12 is down but taco tech is a legit top 20 team and probably a top 15 team as is Colorado. Other than those two and Texas there isn't another team in the conference worth a damn.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Have you ever been to a college football practice? The first defense usually goes up against the scout team offense and vice versa. To say that your offense has prepared your defense for USC's offense is a non-reality, because in all likelihood, the first defense has spent very little time against the first offense in practice.

When Greg Robinson and Tomey came to Texas last year the first thing they changed was that 1st teamers would scrimmage against 1st teamers. This has not changed this year, its one of the reasons that Texas has lost its "soft" label. Yes they work against 2nd and 3rd teamers as well but being forced to go against the 1st teams is a great measuring stick and it gets their competitive juices flowing.

Roofer wrote: Vito,

Other than the type of rhetoric that's going on in the way of speculation between UT and SC playing in the Rose Bowl, and the familiar ring that same rhetoric about SC-OU last year had, there are very little similarities between OU and UT. I do remember last year people being highly skeptical about SC's defense being able to slow down OU. I suspect that same type of talk will be going on this year as well. All I'm saying is, I didn't expect SC to run OU out of the stadium last year and yet it happened. I hope I can enjoy 3 hours of good competitive football this year instead of watching Friends reruns after 90 minutes (and no, I don't really watch Friends.....it was mentioned for effect...ha!).

That kind of talk is going to happen, the big difference in last year to this year is that there isn't a 3rd team that deserves being mentioned with the top 2 as of right now. I know people are starting to mention Miami but I don't see them being able to beat either Texas or USC.

I was also one of the ones who was skeptical of the USC defense but I was more skeptical of the blOwU pass defense who failed to stop anyone with a decent pass offense. Another thing that was very much overrated about blOwU last year was their Oline who was supposed to be the best in the country yet they never lived up to the billing and were really exposed against USC. The only thing that surprised me about blOwU was the play of White in his final game.

To me the biggest difference between Texas and OU when it comes to matching up with USC is that USC has not faced a moble QB especially one like Vince who can both pass and run. Its going to put incredible pressure on SC to try and contain Vince in passing situation. Last year when USC got ahead big they were able to tee off on the Jason White cause they knew he wasn't going to hurt him with his legs. They can't do that to Vince.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:37 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Vito:

Ear(--------OU----------)Ear

bwahahhaaaaaaa

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:30 am

deftly played.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:54 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Van wrote:Of course what should happen isn't always going to happen. That's why they go ahead and play the games anyway. Upsets happen. Nothing new there.
Yes, but the basis of my joke was to reveal how you're not giving Texas any sort of chance in this game, whatsoever. You have to remain open minded about these kind of games. You haven't seemed to demonstrate that even on the smallest level, in any thread.

Haven't felt any need.

USC will blow out Texas unless USC's special teams screw up. Special teams and turnovers, there's Texas' only chance to beat USC.

If the turnovers are even and there's no kick returns for TDs or anything of that nature USC is going to win by at least three TDs.

I don't think all that much of Texas. I see USC-OU The Sequel coming up here. Does that make me less than open minded?

Fine, then. Guilty as charged. This is how I see it happening and so this is what I've been posting. Might as well, right? If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll live with being wrong if it comes to it.

Pretty confident though that I'm right.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:13 am

Well, props to you for staking out your territory.

Myself, I have been impressed with both teams. Certainly, both teams have incredible talent. I've seen both look great this season.

I've also seen USC look a little ordinary at a couple of points, but I haven't seen that from UT. I just think the particulars of this matchup with be hard to quantify, especially from this distant vantage point.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:52 am

PSUFAN wrote:deftly played.

Rack

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:08 am

PSUFAN wrote:I've also seen USC look a little ordinary at a couple of points, but I haven't seen that from UT.

UT looked ordinary early against Mizzou, and more than less than ordinary against the Cowgirls, before they flipped the switch, much like USC has done several times this year. From that perspective they are very similar.

[Dins bait] Btw, I don't buy this bullshit notion that the Pac 10's offense can put up points at will. But maybe I'm just remembering too much Oregon having to come back against Houston, relatively late in the game, earlier in the year. [Dins bait]

Until USC is actually beaten, however, they are still a huge favorite against anybody, even Texas, imo.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:51 pm

Van, while I think you are full of shit with most of the blabbering, you bring up a good point.

How many of us thought OU was going to get trounced like they did last year?

Is UT that much different. Yes they have a better QB but not a better RB. Defenses from each team are similarly good but SC smacked OU.

I am no expert on OU so maybe I am off but it is an interesting concept...I just hope it isn't as boring as last years game.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:45 pm

Sky wrote:Van, while I think you are full of shit with most of the blabbering, you bring up a good point.

How many of us thought OU was going to get trounced like they did last year?

In fact, IIRC, most of the OU homers on this board thought that it would be OU who did the trouncing. That wasn't even up for debate, at least not in their minds.

One thing is certain: USC hasn't gotten nearly the respect it deserves on this board (and when I say this board, I mean to include all the predecessor boards) over the past few years. And that's coming from a ND fan.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:26 pm

Also, if one were to peruse last year's posts they'd discover that I indeed said USC would "...roll OU."

Exact words.

Pretty much all the same things I'm saying about USC-Texas this year, though I thought more of last year's OU team than I do this year's Texas team.

With Cedric Benson I actually thought last year's Texas team was better than this year's.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:25 pm

I'm ready for the game to be played. Van can spew all his talk all day every day. It ain't going to help USC one bit. Same for me and Texas.

He has supreme confidence in the Condoms I have supreme confidence in the Horns. We have both agreed to a sig bet so I feel good about it.

My only worry is that SC slips up between now and Jan 4.

BTW take it from someone who has been watching Texas football since 1977, Benson would not make this years team better. Jamal Charles is the real deal. The only person from last year who would make Texas better is Derek Johnson.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:06 pm

Jamal Charles this year is as good as Cedric Benson was last year??

Sorry, but somehow I think it'd help Texas to have Cedric Benson in their backfield this year.

M2 · Post by M2 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:32 pm

Van wrote:Jamal Charles this year is as good as Cedric Benson was last year??

Sorry, but somehow I think it'd help Texas to have Cedric Benson in their backfield this year.

Van, believe it or not... Texas is a much better running team with Charles. I'm stuck here in Texas and have seen the Horns a lot this year and they're a much better team than the one that won the Rose Bowl last year.

I think the intangible that Texas has that last years OU team didn't have is... Vince Young makes plays that Jason White couldn't make.

If Young can exploit SC's only weakness(the db's) than Texas will win the game. If not... than SC will blow out UT.

As funky as Young looks when the passes... he gets the ball there more than not. That should be a concern for SC.

m2

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:44 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Sky wrote:Van, while I think you are full of shit with most of the blabbering, you bring up a good point.

How many of us thought OU was going to get trounced like they did last year?
In fact, IIRC, most of the OU homers on this board thought that it would be OU who did the trouncing. That wasn't even up for debate, at least not in their minds.
I defy you to find one post of mine stating that OU would trounce USC that wasn't just smack talk.

I don't think you did, but I'm pretty sure Liz did.