Here lies NU football - killed by Callahan

[At Large]

I am in no way expecting a pity party about the demise of NU football. I get the whole "well they beat up on everybody for years, it's about time they got theirs" argument. However, the absolute glee that some fans and many in the media are having a field day with NU's demise is interesting. I don't recall OU getting this brutal treatment (maybe I didn't see it).

When the move was made to fire Solich, I was initially elated but then after that high wore off, I was worried about who the next coach would be. I wondered if this person knew what they were getting into. Husker fans have never been patient (And if you've seen the Husker Century documentary you'd realize that. Several coaches with .700 records were fired in the first part of the century because they weren't winning enough).

So let's start off with Mistake #1 in this whole debacle:
Solich was fired too early.

He should have made some changes to his staff earlier. The resulting 9-3 regular season should have been enough to keep his job. He didn't get his chance to right the ship and bring better talent in. After his dismissal, I was very worried the defensive assistants would be booted (and they were). Another mistake on this is coming.

Mistake #2: Search for the coach was too long and too embarrassing.
Our AD, Steve Pederson decided that he wanted to bring in his own man. The fact that he waited 40 days to do it was very embarrassing. The fact that we kept getting publically turned down was also troubling. SP supposedly had a pick in his back pocket in Dave Wanstandt (oh dear God, I can't believe this was his pick). When DW got retained by Miami, things took a turn. SP had to scramble. He went after a goober of a college coach with a worse record (Nutt) and then courted assistant after assistant from the NFL.

Mistake #3: Callahan fires and hires the wrong people.
I think you can get that I already think that hiring BC was a mistake, so I won't list it. These are mistakes in the process. He fires people with nice experience and knowledge (Sanders - DBs, Cotton - Offensive Line). Bo Pellini would have resigned regardless of the outcome, but to fire some of the beloved defensive coaches was a headscratcher. They fire a father-figure coach in Sanders for our Coach Elmo, who is more of the tough love vein. It's no accident that our defense absolutely sucked in 2004. Our players revolted. On the offense, he hires Dennis Wagner as our O-Line coach. I don't know if it's his techniques or BC's system, but somethig is afoul with our run game.

Watching the Kansas game playbyplay highlights was painful. Our run game consists of straight up zone blocking. There are no pulling linement. No isos. No stunts. The contact and release time is pitiful to watch. We should be blowing people off the line and we can't even get a short second and 1 situation for a first down (two runs and a punt against KU).

Also, the number of linemen standing there with no one to block when the play is not dead yet is also troubling. This was unacceptable to my high school coaches.

Mistake #4: Callahan installs the West Coast Offense
I think the WCO could be a good offense to run, if you have more than 2 hours a day in which to practice it. You can't, but he insists on practicing tons of plays, which means the players can't run a small number of plays well, they run a large number of plays crappy.

Because of his zone-run philosophy, if it's shut down, you 're forced to pass a lot. Against OU, NU had to abandon the run pretty early and the strong winds affected NU all game. Couple that with players that lack the ability to run it effectively and you have a mess. You have Solich players still running it because the playbook is so complicated that it takes players a long time to grasp it. We're finally seeing BC recruited linemen play and they're looking horrible (see O-Line coach).

Mistake #5: BC forces the whole offense on the team.
There are two ways to install an offense: throw the whole thing at the team or taylor the offense to your current roster so they get confidence in it. (Urban Meyer is doing that at Florida with his spread option). Because he has been steadfast in implementing the whole offense, the team is only finally able to run some plays well (see reason with lack of practice time).

Mistake #6: BC gets outcoached in almost every game.
Not a really good gameday coach. You know how your team will scheme certain plays to exploit defensive weaknesses? Yeah, BC doesn't do that. He said in one of his first press conferences that 'We take what we want' and not what the defense will give you. Well, opposing coaches have schemed NU really well in the last three games to expose our defensive weaknesses. We continue to try to run the same plays to no effect. This could explain why our team gets outscored in the first half. In both the OU and KU games, NU didn't get their first 1st down until the 6 series. Not good.

Someone I know remarked that like OU, we've had our Gary Gibbs hire (Solich) and now we're on our Howard Schnelleberger (sp?), but some are hoping that we don't make our Blake hire by hiring someone with ties to the program who isn't ready for a HC position since we already have Blake on our staff (he's the one bright spot on our staff believe it or not. Excellent recruiter and the d-line is one of the few consistent bright spots on the defense).

Mistake 7: Steve Pederson rolled the dice on his hire and he's losing.
He expected universal praise for his firing of Solich. It officially cut the state in half. He'll live and die with his pick. They're 60 percent shy on their new facility project and I know many donors are withholding because they are still unhappy with our AD.

My prediction. After this year's losing season and next year's. Callahan and Pederson get fired on the same day.

Yes, I'm predicting a losing year for NU. They have major problems on offense and defense that won't be fixed in a few days. KSU has enough talent to come in here in win especially since our crowd will be like a crowd at a wake. They will be mourning the death of NU football. The KU loss was the death nail. It's one thing to get below 150 yards of offense against OU or Texas, it's quite another to get that against a team that is barely .500.

I know this is long, but I have to vent. Please feel free to pile on. There are other mistakes, but those are the main ones.

[At Large]

Hey, I realize that every team seems to go through this, including the debacle hires (ie. OU, Notre Dame, Bama). It's just irritating when you have a coach that just today is trying to sell us that he sees progress when the only teams left for him to lose to in the Big 12 is Oklahoma State and Baylor. He fortunately beat Baylor, so he's off the hook there.

I'm not a coach and I'm not even a coaching genius, but when I can forsee what opposing teams are going to try on any given down and BC can't, then something is wrong. I mean, who didn't see OU's fake field goal coming? Even our announcers were saying "Watch for the fake."

I'll have to admit not even thinking about OU's fall after awhile. It seemed natural. Now that it's happening to us, I'm like a jealous sibling. I want us back to that level.

Any tips on how to cope OU fan? I don't drink much but am thinking about it soon during the next game.

[Jimmy Medalions]

Getting NU on our schedule took balls back when the deal was cut. Guess we'll get style points anyways...

NU will turn around. Like 88 said there is far too much history with that program for it to fail.

Sin,
Guy who sat through 10 shitty years of USC football.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Getting NU on our schedule took balls back when the deal was cut. Guess we'll get style points anyways...

NU will turn around. Like 88 said there is far too much history with that program for it to fail.

Sin,
Guy who sat through 10 shitty years of USC football.

Only 10?

You guys hired Tollner in '83 and the Poodle didn't come along until '01.

[DiT]

I really feel for Husker fans.
We've (OU) been there with our coaching debacles and it's fuckin tough to watch a program that's been one of the best in college football, play so poorly.
we had four years of the worst football I've ever seen played but luckily you guys will have to endure a couple of years under BC.
NU will always have the talent and hopefully yall will get the coach that program deserves.

[Adelpiero]

Good Ridence to the Thugs,Criminals, and the Warden Tom Osbourne.



Let Nebraska football die the horrible death.



Ashes to ashes, Dust to dust


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen

[SoCalTrjn]

to make things worse, it is runmored that Marlon Lucky is transferring out of Nebraska to USC

[Jimmy Medalions]

Only 10?

You guys hired Tollner in '83 and the Poodle didn't come along until '01.

I see you working but we actually had a number of Rose Bowls in that period.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Only 10?

You guys hired Tollner in '83 and the Poodle didn't come along until '01.

I see you working but we actually had a number of Rose Bowls in that period.

I know. Just messin' with ya. :wink:

[SunCoastSooner]

You didn't see the venom tossed at OU HFAL. Sorry HFAL but to be honest some of the actions by Nebraska fans over the last decade have completly turned my opinion of Nebraska around and make it very difficult if not impossible to have any sympathy for your program.. This is in no way a reflection on you personally but on the fan base as a whole. Some HUskers treated us with kid gloves like a whipped child and played through pity parties for us and treating us like children while forgetting who owned the heads up because of recent games, others simply laughed at us and completly rubbed it in. Since the flip and flop has come to fruition Nebraska fan has gotten worse, especially the younger crowd. It is pretty damn easy to be "classy" when you do nothing but win, but it's a nother to classy and a lose with dignity, something that most Husker fans have no idea about.

My best advice to you HFAL, because you are one the few Nebraska fans I still respect, is don't give up your season tickets under any circumstances. If you don't have season tickets and you can afford them, go outand get on the donor list. I'm in my mid 20s and I sit on the 48 yard line of the east side of Memorial because I never gave up.

[At Large]

I don't want anyone to feel sorry for me, let me reiterate that. We called for change and we got it, in spades. We also had unprecedented success for 40 years that may never be duplicated again so we've had our day in the sun.

There are a lot of arguments going on in Husker nation right now about change now or change later. Our Chancelor said that Callahan needs time so I think he'll get at least 4 of the 5 years he signed up for.

My wife chastized me yesterday for being like the impulsive Husker fans that bitch and moan. It could be because I'm sick today, but I'm not so upset anymore. Hopefully, this is our rock bottom and we can climb out. Next year ought to be interesting though when we get throttled by USC and Texas. Each blowout loss will start the whining again (from me included). ;-)

Just venting. Sorry to bore you guys...

[PSUFAN]

Great read, HFAL.

I'm reminded of a similar thread I started last spring, where I bemoaned the apparent direction of the PSU program under Paterno. I might stand by my analysis, but I sure wasn't right about what was going to happen this year and beyond.

I'm with those that advocate patience. I like SCS's take - try to get better seats.

[MisterTwister]

Welcome to 21st century college football Husker fan.

Here's why I don't think the Huskers will return to past glory anytime soon. One of the biggest reasons for the dominance of the Cornhuskers in the 70s, 80s, and 90s was its recruiting strength in the midwest as well as its walk on program. Quite honestly, they had very little competition for the top atheletes in most of the midwestern states. They could cherry pick thier scholarship atheletes and often, atheletes who could have been on scholarship at other midwestern universities, chose to walk on at Neb. in hopes of earning a scholarship.

Today, neither of these conditions exist. College atheletes are much more concerned with playing time and positions than they are about being part of a storied tradition. Nebraska can no longer walk into a high schoolers house in Iowa or Missouri and walk out with a verbal committment. These kids are finding viable programs at Missouri, Kansas, Iowa State, Iowa, Minnesota, etc.. In short, the talent pool is spread out. This forces Neb to spend resources recruiting nationally where competition for the top atheletes is stiffer and more cutthroat. It also dilutes the loyalty and tradition of midwestern atheletes that Nebraska is built upon. Does a tailback from Florida really care as much about the program as a kid from Omaha that has grown up dreaming of playing in Memorial stadium on saturdays?

[PSUFAN]

rack the reemergence of MisterTwister.

[Killian]

Trust me, you're not being impulsive. You know a shitty coach when you see one. Better to cut ties now, rather than later. But there has to be someone ready to step in, and he has to be much better than Callahan. The only difference between Callahan and Willingham, that I see, is that Callahan can at least recruit. If he brings in the talent to run the WCO, but never gets it to work, the next coaches job will be that much easier.

For all the shit that Willingham did wrong, there were at least some pieces for him to work with. Callahan, much like Willingham, is an idiot of a game day coach. He needs to rely on his assistants. It sounds like they are bad assistants.

Hopefully you get rid of this clown and get someone who is ready for a big time program. Maybe someone like Gary Kubiak, Denver's OC.

[At Large]

I have to disagree with Mister T. I pity the fool that discounts NU's recruiting prowess. If there is anything that is a benefit to this change, is that we missed out on a lot of athletes that didn't want to run the option. Like OLinemen that wanted to learn pass blocking, wide receivers that didn't want to spend most of their time run blocking and QBs that didn't want their bodies manhandled for four years.

Plus, the new facilities and the tradition sell the program more than you'd think. OU benefitted from their tradition in their rebuilding effort as did USC. I would think that it would be hard to not be swayed at places like OU, USC, Michigan, etc (and NU) when players are walked through the trophy rooms where they can see the Heisman winners and championship trophies.

I blame NU's talent troubles squarely on the feet of Solich, who didn't place much stock in recruiting. He had half of his staff off the road and mainly recruited during the summer and after the season ended.

[Snake]

Relax husker fans. Win one of your two remaining games and your bowl eligble...............Honestly though, I'm not a big fan of the JC route (12 last year and 4 verbals so far this year) and Nebraska has seemed to embrace this ala K-State. Just duct tape the bitch and we'll start winning again.............Think not.................

[Cornhusker]

Relax husker fans. Win one of your two remaining games and your bowl eligble...............Honestly though, I'm not a big fan of the JC route (12 last year and 4 verbals so far this year) and Nebraska has seemed to embrace this ala K-State. Just duct tape the bitch and we'll start winning again.............Think not.................

Very true, chemistry and loyalty play huge rolls in winning in CF.
JC's offer neither.

[Cornhusker]

You didn't see the venom tossed at OU HFAL. Sorry HFAL but to be honest some of the actions by Nebraska fans over the last decade have completly turned my opinion of Nebraska around and make it very difficult if not impossible to have any sympathy for your program.. This is in no way a reflection on you personally but on the fan base as a whole. Some HUskers treated us with kid gloves like a whipped child and played through pity parties for us and treating us like children while forgetting who owned the heads up because of recent games, others simply laughed at us and completly rubbed it in. Since the flip and flop has come to fruition Nebraska fan has gotten worse, especially the younger crowd. It is pretty damn easy to be "classy" when you do nothing but win, but it's a nother to classy and a lose with dignity, something that most Husker fans have no idea about.

My best advice to you HFAL, because you are one the few Nebraska fans I still respect, is don't give up your season tickets under any circumstances. If you don't have season tickets and you can afford them, go outand get on the donor list. I'm in my mid 20s and I sit on the 48 yard line of the east side of Memorial because I never gave up.

You must have had a great deal of insight at 15 years old.

I was under the impression you thoroughly enjoyed the fans during your visit to Lincoln. Am I confusing you with someone else?

[SunCoastSooner]

You didn't see the venom tossed at OU HFAL. Sorry HFAL but to be honest some of the actions by Nebraska fans over the last decade have completly turned my opinion of Nebraska around and make it very difficult if not impossible to have any sympathy for your program.. This is in no way a reflection on you personally but on the fan base as a whole. Some HUskers treated us with kid gloves like a whipped child and played through pity parties for us and treating us like children while forgetting who owned the heads up because of recent games, others simply laughed at us and completly rubbed it in. Since the flip and flop has come to fruition Nebraska fan has gotten worse, especially the younger crowd. It is pretty damn easy to be "classy" when you do nothing but win, but it's a nother to classy and a lose with dignity, something that most Husker fans have no idea about.

My best advice to you HFAL, because you are one the few Nebraska fans I still respect, is don't give up your season tickets under any circumstances. If you don't have season tickets and you can afford them, go outand get on the donor list. I'm in my mid 20s and I sit on the 48 yard line of the east side of Memorial because I never gave up.

You must have had a great deal of insight at 15 years old.

I was under the impression you thoroughly enjoyed the fans during your visit to Lincoln. Am I confusing you with someone else?

Yeah actually I did considering I have had possesion of my grandfathers donor points since 1992 and been going to OU games since I was 9 months old. I also was a High school grad at 15 and on my way to college.

I used to enjoy the fans. In the 80s Thanksgiving dinner at the Hilton or Marriot can't remember which it was. but I think you may have me confused with another poster. Might not but probably because I don't think I have discussed too many of the Nebraska fans and my opinion on them around these parts.

[Snake]

I onced posted how the OU v Nebraska game was one of the greatest rivary games not played anymore. This game was played on Thanksgiving.........Bottom line, this is a program that is in TROUBLE. The fix is a coach that knows the tradition and the recruiting process Nebraska has aways taken............that is take kids that grew up with the Big Red. Walkons was, and will be evermore be an Nebraska trademark....The RUNNING GAME will always be Nebraska football.....Power football ala Brad will and should always be Nebraska.....You try and take this away and what you end up with is....................... a poor mans Texas Tech...................


Being a longtime Nebraska hater, it sucks to see you guys suck..................

[MisterTwister]

I didn't say Nebraska couldn't recruit, I said they aren't going to be able to cherry pick like they used to. They won't be able to count on kids willing to walk on at Nebraska rather than take a full ride at schools like ISU, Missou, and Minnesota. In other words, they have to join the ranks of the rest of the football programs in the midwest, kicking and scratching and clawing to get the best kids possible in a very competitive situation.

The biggest problem with Cornhusker football is unrealistic expectations brought on by 4 decades of unprecedented success. In other words, its fan base is its own worst enemy.

[Cornhusker]

I onced posted how the OU v Nebraska game was one of the greatest rivary games not played anymore. This game was played on Thanksgiving.........Bottom line, this is a program that is in TROUBLE. The fix is a coach that knows the tradition and the recruiting process Nebraska has aways taken............that is take kids that grew up with the Big Red. Walkons was, and will be evermore be an Nebraska trademark....The RUNNING GAME will always be Nebraska football.....Power football ala Brad will and should always be Nebraska.....You try and take this away and what you end up with is....................... a poor mans Texas Tech...................


Being a longtime Nebraska hater, it sucks to see you guys suck..................

Damn Snake, I've always noticed you don't post much, but when you do and if I catch the thread, I make it a point to read your post.
No BS, make your point.. and you disappear for another month or two.

You drove this take over the left field wall and the left fielder didn't bother to turn around.

[SoCalTrjn]

This is a new era in college football, schools that have to recruit the majority of their talent from somewhere else are going to find a harder and harder time doing so, especially if they are in a region where there is nothing else going on. Gone are the days when Momma wanted her little boy away from the gangs and in to small towns, now gangs are worse in small towns than in larger ones. Now Momma wants to be able to see her boys games live, she wants him closer to her, where she can watch out for him. Nebraska built their program on other peoples kids and its going to be harder for them to get other peoples kids when those kids are better off staying closer to home, they will continue to dump money in to the program, money they would be better off building comapnies that will employ young families and then those young families can produce Nebraskas own kids

[At Large]

1. I can't believe no one acknowledged my Mr T. "I pity the fool" joke no matter how lame it is.

2. I'm not so sure if 'Mama' wants her boy to be near her. In today's technology, it's much easier to keep in touch with kids. And have you been to Lincoln? I've often joked that we don't have drive by shootings, we have run by beatings. If that's what you're selling, Lincoln is one of the safest places to send an impressionable college kid.

[SoCalTrjn]

Lincoln is one of the safest places to send an impressionable college kid.

sin,
Lawrence Phillips girl friend

[At Large]

Lincoln is one of the safest places to send an impressionable college kid.

sin,
Lawrence Phillips girl friend

Wow. That happened what? Ten years ago? Very current.

[Cornhusker]

Lincoln is one of the safest places to send an impressionable college kid.

sin,
Lawrence Phillips girl friend

Represents the opposite of my "Snake" take.

[Adelpiero]

It's called Karma, if you believe in that shit.

Nebraska(as well as a couple others) recruited thugs, and criminals as long as the kid could run a 4.5 in 40. They had no conscience about letting kids run amuck at the univserity, or what their paths were while recruiting them.


It's a shame Tom"The Warden"Osbourne wasn't around to feel the wrath of Karma.




And as i said before, fuck nebraska. Let them rot in hell(or as we call it, near bottom of Big North).

[Killian]

Lincoln is one of the safest places to send an impressionable college kid.

sin,
Lawrence Phillips girl friend

I feel a Rey Maualuga comment would be appropriate here. Or Eric Wright. Or Winston Justice. Or..........

And before you become a techinical little bitch, I know Wright and Justice didn't beat the shit out of anyone (on record). But pushing X and getting a hooker is quite the reputation you want.

Don't throw stones. You have waaaaaaaaay to many glass windows.

[At Large]

It's called Karma, if you believe in that shit.

Nebraska(as well as a couple others) recruited thugs, and criminals as long as the kid could run a 4.5 in 40. They had no conscience about letting kids run amuck at the univserity, or what their paths were while recruiting them.


It's a shame Tom"The Warden"Osbourne wasn't around to feel the wrath of Karma.




And as i said before, fuck nebraska. Let them rot in hell(or as we call it, near bottom of Big North).

I would expect no less from a Missouri fan.

[Cornhusker]

It's called Karma, if you believe in that shit.

Nebraska(as well as a couple others) recruited thugs, and criminals as long as the kid could run a 4.5 in 40. They had no conscience about letting kids run amuck at the univserity, or what their paths were while recruiting them.


It's a shame Tom"The Warden"Osbourne wasn't around to feel the wrath of Karma.




And as i said before, fuck nebraska. Let them rot in hell(or as we call it, near bottom of Big North).

Gets to a point where NU was the "ONLY" school with any trouble. Amazing.

Like I said before "IF" and that's a big if, Misery or whoever, would win an NC (:lol: ) you'd be surprised how your media attention would grow and if you had a kid do a stupid thing (and you have) it would be all over SI or Rome or wherever because the media is all about controversy and selling rags.

Don't play the "you condone it card" because what Phillips did was inexcusable, but to say Osborne...(yes, no "u" in his name)..supported thugs as an attempt for an advantage to winning NC's is stupid and not true. You don't know the reasons for his actions, but only the opinions written by others.

Where's the outcry for condemption of Berryman at ISU or Dvoracek at OU?

Oh, yeah, the're not in the NC hunt are they?

[SunCoastSooner]

It's called Karma, if you believe in that shit.

Nebraska(as well as a couple others) recruited thugs, and criminals as long as the kid could run a 4.5 in 40. They had no conscience about letting kids run amuck at the univserity, or what their paths were while recruiting them.


It's a shame Tom"The Warden"Osbourne wasn't around to feel the wrath of Karma.




And as i said before, fuck nebraska. Let them rot in hell(or as we call it, near bottom of Big North).

Gets to a point where NU was the "ONLY" school with any trouble. Amazing.

Like I said before "IF" and that's a big if, Misery or whoever, would win an NC (:lol: ) you'd be surprised how your media attention would grow and if you had a kid do a stupid thing (and you have) it would be all over SI or Rome or wherever because the media is all about controversy and selling rags.

Don't play the "you condone it card" because what Phillips did was inexcusable, but to say Osborne...(yes, no "u" in his name)..supported thugs as an attempt for an advantage to winning NC's is stupid and not true. You don't know the reasons for his actions, but only the opinions written by others.

Where's the outcry for condemption of Berryman at ISU or Dvoracek at OU?

Oh, yeah, the're not in the NC hunt are they?

Cornhusker every board in the big12 has bitched about Dvoracek all damn season. Take off the Scarlett panty glasses.

[Cornhusker]

God, Dusty Dvoracek is such a bad guy. He horsed around with a buddy at a bar and the buddy fell off his stool and was knocked into a coma.

Jeez, OU is such an outlaw program that they kicked Dvoracek off the team in the middle of a title run and didn't allow him back until the next year.

That's WAY more outlaw that allowing Lawrence Phillips back to play against Florida.

Down boy, don't miss the point...the point is who knows the facts?...I'm not comparing, just showing perception often is skewed in many ways.

Thanks for making my point.

[Cornhusker]

It's called Karma, if you believe in that shit.

Nebraska(as well as a couple others) recruited thugs, and criminals as long as the kid could run a 4.5 in 40. They had no conscience about letting kids run amuck at the univserity, or what their paths were while recruiting them.


It's a shame Tom"The Warden"Osbourne wasn't around to feel the wrath of Karma.




And as i said before, fuck nebraska. Let them rot in hell(or as we call it, near bottom of Big North).

Gets to a point where NU was the "ONLY" school with any trouble. Amazing.

Like I said before "IF" and that's a big if, Misery or whoever, would win an NC (:lol: ) you'd be surprised how your media attention would grow and if you had a kid do a stupid thing (and you have) it would be all over SI or Rome or wherever because the media is all about controversy and selling rags.

Don't play the "you condone it card" because what Phillips did was inexcusable, but to say Osborne...(yes, no "u" in his name)..supported thugs as an attempt for an advantage to winning NC's is stupid and not true. You don't know the reasons for his actions, but only the opinions written by others.

Where's the outcry for condemption of Berryman at ISU or Dvoracek at OU?

Oh, yeah, the're not in the NC hunt are they?

Cornhusker every board in the big12 has bitched about Dvoracek all damn season. Take off the Scarlett panty glasses.

I wasn't bitching at all. If Dvoracek or Berryman did what their coach and teamates expected them to do to be re-instated, so-be-it. I have never bitched about either being allowed to play. I don't know the facts so I can't bitch or assume.

I threw names out because it supports my example. Guys that encounted issues that were for the most part under the radar (nationally) due to the fact they weren't at USC last year.

Same didn't apply to Phillips because national media did not present what he did to get re-instated. Right or wrong, he did them as was asked of him. He missed 8 games that year and was not a deciding factor in the NC game.

Scarlet panty glasses???interesting. Never heard that one.

[Cornhusker]

God, Dusty Dvoracek is such a bad guy. He horsed around with a buddy at a bar and the buddy fell off his stool and was knocked into a coma.

Jeez, OU is such an outlaw program that they kicked Dvoracek off the team in the middle of a title run and didn't allow him back until the next year.

That's WAY more outlaw that allowing Lawrence Phillips back to play against Florida.

Down boy, don't miss the point...the point is who knows the facts?...I'm not comparing, just showing perception often is skewed in many ways.

Thanks for making my point.

The facts are that there is a hell of a difference between accidentally injuring a friend and beating the shit out of a woman.

I'm not making a point of the individual incident...which was worse than the other. (My wife didn't steal your password did she?)

My point is people not knowing why someone was re-instated and facts that allowed it. That's the bitch everyone...Adel...has = Osborne = warden...you know Jim Rome's spin. Brubaker Osborne. Media perception drives the bus.

And running with it for years and years and dragging Osborne through shit forever due to the fact NU was making a national run. Had NU been 8-3..it wouldn't have gotta as much attention.

I gotta believe certain media members would have spun the Dvoracek incident as criminal to a certain degree if OU was the ESPN Game Day poster child this year. Not saying it was justified, just would'a happened.

Besides, in the eyes of Stoops he had some 'splainin' to do. He was suspended or kicked off the team wasn't he?

I don't know, just curious, is dude still his buddy?

[Adelpiero]

Holy Christ, and this doesn't have the Thugs Osborne had at Nebraska.


Web Page Name


No PHillips,Peter, Incognito etc.




Good ole Thugskers.

[At Large]

This just in, a horse has been officially beaten to death, film at 11.

I can't believe we're still arguing about this today.

[At Large]

Holy Christ, and this doesn't have the Thugs Osborne had at Nebraska.


Web Page Name


No PHillips,Peter, Incognito etc.




Good ole Thugskers.

I see Missouri has a blank page. Oh wait, they don't. Silly me.

[SunCoastSooner]

Scarlet panty glasses???interesting. Never heard that one.

:D In all honesty I stole it from a rant my late grandfather used to every year when we were still the big 8 and played Nebbish every year.

I almost died in 2001 when I heard Al Eschbach (Okies know who he is) do it before the game in Lincoln. I thought oh shit that's my grandfather's rant.

My family swears it was created by my grandfather. Wouldn't surprise me considering my father and Al have known each other for... well... ever.