Super Bowl for Kansas City

[KC Scott]

OK, so we probably won't play in one in my lifetime, at least we'll host one.......

Owners approve Super Bowl for Kansas City -- on one condition

By STEVE BRISENDINE, AP Sports Writer
November 16, 2005
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- NFL owners voted Wednesday to tentatively award Kansas City a Super Bowl, largely as a tribute to owner Lamar Hunt, who gave the game its name.

It comes with one giant string attached: improvements to Arrowhead Stadium, including a rolling roof to keep out the February cold. The team estimates the cost of the roof alone at $100 million to $200 million -- and that's not counting $300 million or so the Chiefs say they need in stadium upgrades.

The approval is for a 10-year window, starting in 2011, but Hunt said the most likely prospects would be for the 49th or 51st Super Bowl, after the 2014 or 2016 seasons.

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"This is a very happy day, and in some respects a surprising day," he said at a news conference after the second day of the owners' two-day fall meeting adjourned. "This is something our organization has talked about for a number of years."

The team is now in lease negotiations with Jackson County and hopes to have a sales tax issue on the April ballot for Kansas City residents who live in the county. Last year, a bi-state sales tax proposal, for stadium improvements and arts in the area, failed to gain approval.

The Kansas City Royals, whose Kauffman Stadium sits across a parking lot from Arrowhead, would also have benefited from that tax.

The Chiefs, and other backers of stadium renovations, hope the prospect of landing an event with an estimated $400 million economic impact will provide enough reason to vote "yes" this time.

"The tremendous benefit to Kansas City, both in economic terms and prestige, are beyond calculation," Mayor Kay Barnes said in a written statement.

Jack Steadman, the Chiefs' vice chairman, said lease talks were to resume Thursday and that he hoped they would be completed by December. He said the Chiefs would not specify their financial commitment to the project until negotiations were completed.

Hunt, a founding owner in the American Football League, gave the Super Bowl its name after it began simply as a matchup between the AFL and NFL champions.

"This decision is clearly an indication of the tremendous support the Chiefs have had from their fans in this area, and also the role of Lamar Hunt in the creation of the NFL today and the history of professional football."

Only three Super Bowls have been awarded to cold-weather cities. Detroit will host its second Super Bowl in February, and Minneapolis has hosted one.

"I think a one-off is a correct decision," Hunt said. "My request was for one game, in a 10-year window."

A rolling roof, which could be moved to cover either stadium, was part of the original plans for the Truman Sports Complex. It was designed only to keep out the rain, however.

Steadman said the new plan would allow panels to be lowered from the roof, to provide for a heated interior in cold weather.

"This is a new idea for an old concept," he said.

Nice job of tossing the Super Bone to Jackson county taxpayers to entice them to pony up for the stadium improvements.

Like I said last time, I'll vote no and hope they move the stadiums over to Wyandotte county next to the speedway.

Unwar financing Billionaire owners

[kcdave]

This is political posturing at its finest.

For those that do not know, Kansas City was promised a Super Bowl back in the early 70's when it was built, and that promise has always been in effect. I recall at least 2 seperate interviews with Lamar Hunt. One late 80's or early 90's and another 2-3 years ago. He referenced the promise in both of those, and said that it was still in effect.

Enclosing Arrowhead, or adding the rolling roof, has ALWAYS been part of this deal. This is not headline news. This story is over 30 years old. Build it, and they will come. Dont and they wont.

What I do find most ironic in all of this .... sorry, I do not have the exact quote, but when Lamar was asked during the interview from the late 80's, early 90's whenever ........ the question was proposed to him as : Would he pay for the rolling roof with HIS money, so KC could get the Super Bowl ........... His answer was basically Ohhhhh no. No, No, No. That would not be financially responsible for the KC Chiefs.

The only thing news worthy of todays announcement is, that Lamar convinced Tags, to remind everyone, what some of us already knew, in hopes of rekindling flames for more tax money for Arrowhead.

[War Wagon]

Nice job of tossing the Super Bone to Jackson county taxpayers to entice them to pony up for the stadium improvements.

Like I said last time, I'll vote no and hope they move the stadiums over to Wyandotte county next to the speedway.

If you are indeed a Jackson county voter, you'll be in the minority. Jackson county overwhelmingly voted for the bi-state tax.

The rest of the leech's in Johnson, Wyandotte, Platte, and Clay county also need to pony up the funds to restore and upgrade the Truman sports complex.

As for building a rolling roof to cover both stadiums....that's so fucking ludicrous I don't know how anybody can talk about it with a straight face.

And as for moving the stadiums, that's also fucking ludicrous. About as ludicrous as building a downtown stadium.

[Cueball]

Why doesn't DOTRF enlist Mild7 to take $7 donations, should have it covered in no time

[KC Scott]

If you are indeed a Jackson county voter, you'll be in the minority. Jackson county overwhelmingly voted for the bi-state tax.

I supported Bi State beacuse it spread it through the entire Metro.

And your right about...

The rest of the leech's in Johnson, Wyandotte, Platte, and Clay county also need to pony up the funds to restore and upgrade the Truman sports complex.

I'm writing checks in Dec for 10K for fucking property taxes, that have jumped 20% in the last 2 years, and I'll be damned if I'm voting for anything, including fucking sales taxes to support teams the rest of the city doesn't want to help pay for.

As for building a rolling roof to cover both stadiums....that's so fucking ludicrous I don't know how anybody can talk about it with a straight face.

No shit..... what a fucking joke this is.

And as for moving the stadiums, that's also fucking ludicrous. About as ludicrous as building a downtown stadium.

Yea, but they could relo to Kansas and I wouldn't shed a tear.

It won't happen, but I wish it would

[Qbert]

Why doesn't DOTRF enlist Mild7 to take $7 donations, should have it covered in no time

:wink:

Al

that was funny.

your an ASS!

~Sin

DOTRF

:wink:

[Funkywhiteboy]

Gimme Super Bowls in sunny, warm cities.
That's part of what makes them attractive destinations in the dead of winter.

Jackson county overwhelmingly voted for the bi-state tax.

I've heard of bi-state, but I've never had it. :wink: :wink:

[joe6pac]

I voted against Bi-state because 350 mill was going to go to the performing arts. I could care less for that. If that shit can't stand on it's own let it go away. I don't need to pay for some 5' 100lb Raider James look alike dancing around in tights and ballet shoes.

Now put light rail with it and it's a go from us JOCO "Leeches".

[BSmack]

I voted against Bi-state because 350 mill was going to go to the performing arts. I could care less for that. If that shit can't stand on it's own let it go away. I don't need to pay for some 5' 100lb Raider James look alike dancing around in tights and ballet shoes.

Now put light rail with it and it's a go from us JOCO "Leeches".

But you would have voted for it if it just went for the sports stadiums?

[Cosmo Kramer]

It seems like alot of $ for one game.

[BSmack]

I voted against Bi-state because 350 mill was going to go to the performing arts. I could care less for that. If that shit can't stand on it's own let it go away. I don't need to pay for some 5' 100lb Raider James look alike dancing around in tights and ballet shoes.

Now put light rail with it and it's a go from us JOCO "Leeches".

But you would have voted for it if it just went for the sports stadiums?

I'll answer that- HELL YES.

And you wonder why it has taken 30+ years and counting to get a roof?

[Cicero]

Nothing says fun and exciting like Kansas City in Feb. Where can I buy my Tix?

[Cuda]

Drive by RACK! for cueball.

[joe6pac]

I voted against Bi-state because 350 mill was going to go to the performing arts. I could care less for that. If that shit can't stand on it's own let it go away. I don't need to pay for some 5' 100lb Raider James look alike dancing around in tights and ballet shoes.

Now put light rail with it and it's a go from us JOCO "Leeches".

But you would have voted for it if it just went for the sports stadiums?

Yes

[joe6pac]

Nothing says fun and exciting like Kansas City in Feb. Where can I buy my Tix?

It would beat the hell out of where the Super Bowl is this season.

[KC Scott]

They included performing arts in the original Bi State to try and get all the Bluenoses that don't watch sportss to support it as a package deal.

Warren in answer to this......

Scott & Wagon- Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Truman Sports Complex (Kauffman and Arrowhead Stadiums) owned by Jackson County?

Knowing that, why is it that Jackson isn't paying for schools, roads, police and other things in the "leeching" counties you listed above? If those counties should be responsible for Truman, shouldn't you be responsible for the tax burden elsewhere?

That's pretzel logic. We don't use the services of those counties, but you know half of Arrowhead is full on Kansans every Sunday. Same with Kauffman in the summer.

So how is it that tax payers in OTHER states and counties should pick up the tab for you guys?

Beacuse you worthless Kansans use them too.

The theory being of course the Chiefs / Royals benefit the entire metropolitan area.

Of course Kansas wouldn't vote to pay their share. Why help pay for the cow when the milk is free?

Wanna know what I would vote for?

I'd vote for them financing the entire project with a surcharge on all tickets, parking and concessions.

Really, that's the fairest way, though it would never happen beacuse even Chief fans wouldn't pay double the current ticket price, $40 to park or $14 for a beer.

Like I said, they could relo both teams tomorrow and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep

[BSmack]

Like I said, they could relo both teams tomorrow and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep

The Los Angeles Chiefs?

Has a nice ring to it.

[War Wagon]

So how is it that tax payers in OTHER states and counties should pick up the tab for you guys?

I'm a Clay county resident and I voted for the bi-state tax because that is what is apparently needed to save the Truman sports complex, and our pro sports teams from becoming the Memphis Royals and shudder...the Los Angeles Chiefs.

Jackson county can't shoulder the burden alone anymore. Perhaps they could 30-40 years ago when KC had a larger and more affluent tax base to get those crown jewell stadiums built in the 1st place, but no longer. The flight to the 'burbs which has been occuring for so many years has finally caught up with those venerable edifices, but rack those Jackson county sumbitches who voted to pay for their initial construction.

And like Scott said, those franchises benefit the entire metropolitan area, not just KCMO and Jackson county. They have led to huge growth thruout Johnson county that otherwise would not have occured. Don't believe that? Well I'll tell you this. Without those stadiums and where they are located, that entire section of I-435 in KS. at the southern edge of the city wouldn't have a reason for being there, and neither would Corporate Woods and all that shit built up around College Blvd. Olathe would still be 75% farmland, and Metcalf Ave would be a two lane gravel road south of 63rd street. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point. A rising tide lifts all boats.

[Cuda]

Like I said, they could relo both teams tomorrow and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep

The Los Angeles Chiefs?

Has a nice ring to it.

Well, Charlestown is out, that's for sure- ever since they closed the mill up tight and put 10,000 mill workers on waivers

[Raydah James]

Like I said, they could relo both teams tomorrow and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep

The Los Angeles Chiefs?

Has a nice ring to it.

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[JHawkBCD]

Fuck it... I'm chiming in on this one, bets be damned. I'll stay out of the rest of the forum for the remainder of the UCant bet, but this one should be on Main Street and I'll treat it as such.

I'm a Clay county resident and I voted for the bi-state tax because that is what is apparently needed to save the Truman sports complex, and our pro sports teams from becoming the Memphis Royals and shudder...the Los Angeles Chiefs.

Jackson county can't shoulder the burden alone anymore. Perhaps they could 30-40 years ago when KC had a larger and more affluent tax base to get those crown jewell stadiums built in the 1st place, but no longer. The flight to the 'burbs which has been occuring for so many years has finally caught up with those venerable edifices, but rack those Jackson county sumbitches who voted to pay for their initial construction.

Yes, rack those sumbutches that voted to pay for the initial construction, and UNRACK the dumbfucks that are currently running the Jackson County Sports Authority for mismanagement and putting themselves in this position in the first place. See, that's what dumbasses like yourself just don't get... giving more money to these people to administer to the renovation at Truman Sports Complex is the equivalent of forking out money to the dumb welfare cunt that refuses to stop spreading her legs, and subsequently pumps out more illegitimate children. This is what's called "throwing good money after bad".

Change the people that administer the money, and make them accountable for the way that they spend it & the outcome of the deals that they make, and I'll reconsider a "yes" vote on a Bi-State initiative.

And like Scott said, those franchises benefit the entire metropolitan area, not just KCMO and Jackson county. They have led to huge growth thruout Johnson county that otherwise would not have occured. Don't believe that? Well I'll tell you this. Without those stadiums and where they are located, that entire section of I-435 in KS. at the southern edge of the city wouldn't have a reason for being there, and neither would Corporate Woods and all that shit built up around College Blvd. Olathe would still be 75% farmland, and Metcalf Ave would be a two lane gravel road south of 63rd street. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Yes, you ARE that fucking stupid.

You kicked yourself in the ass the other day when you made that crack about driving back from Lincoln... and it's still pretty fuckin' evident that you need to put a little less money into your 401K and use that money to travel outside of Clay County on occasion.

Omaha doesn't have a major league sports franchise. However, the west side of Omaha is experiencing explosive growth of the same retail and office development, as well as the residential development to support it, that easily rivals anything going on in Johnson County KS.

Wichita doesn't have a major league sports franchise, either... but NE Wichita, as well as NW Wichita, are seeing growth in leaps and bounds.

Tulsa doesn't have a major league sports franchise... and they also lost a lot of jobs there when the oil industry practically disappeared there... but they're growing east & south at an incredible rate.

The list keeps on going... Springfield... Joplin... Oklahoma City... Des Moines... all of these cities within 5 hours of KC that don't have major league sports (spare me the OKC Hornets bullshit, that ain't gonna last), but are growing and outpacing Kansas City MO.

Why? Because there are people that are far smarter than Whitey Wagon, with far more money than Whitey Wagon could ever imagine, that invest in these developments without even considering for a second that there ain't a major league sports franchise that has anything to do with the project. If you want to say that the Chiefs and Royals are an integral part to a successful travel & tourism industry for Kansas City, you would then be accurate... but don't kid yourself into thinking that Johnson County was built by NFL and MLB franchises.

[Raydah James]

Fuck it... I'm chiming in on this one, bets be damned.

Fucking Welching Nutpuddle.



Congrats on acheiving TREX and Pursestring Paula status in here-you have no doubt earned it. Bitch.

[War Wagon]

Fuck it... I'm chiming in on this one, bets be damned. I'll stay out of the rest of the forum for the remainder of the UCant bet, but this one should be on Main Street and I'll treat it as such.

Welcher! :wink:

Yes, rack those sumbutches that voted to pay for the initial construction, and UNRACK the dumbfucks that are currently running the Jackson County Sports Authority for mismanagement and putting themselves in this position in the first place. See, that's what dumbasses like yourself just don't get... giving more money to these people to administer to the renovation at Truman Sports Complex is the equivalent of forking out money to the dumb welfare cunt that refuses to stop spreading her legs, and subsequently pumps out more illegitimate children. This is what's called "throwing good money after bad".

Change the people that administer the money, and make them accountable for the way that they spend it & the outcome of the deals that they make, and I'll reconsider a "yes" vote on a Bi-State initiative.

More hysterical posturing short on facts and long on finger pointing. You got any details about this supposed mis-management or would like to name names? Otherwise, that's just you being you...throwing shit up against the wall and hoping it sticks. Just because you happened to hear that the name of the outfit that run's the Truman sports complex is called the "Jackson County Sports Authority" doesn't make YOU an authority on Jackson county politics. I'd be willing to bet you don't even know how many members there are, who they are, or how the fuck they got there...until you NOW start googling like hell trying to find out.

Clock's ticking...

[JHawkBCD]

Fuck it... I'm chiming in on this one, bets be damned.

Fucking Welching Nutpuddle.



Congrats on acheiving TREX and Pursestring Paula status in here-you have no doubt earned it. Bitch.

Ah, looking for a way to back out of that $50 you're going to have to pay me when the Chiefs clinch better record than the Faiders, are you?

Figures.

[JHawkBCD]

More hysterical posturing short on facts and long on finger pointing. You got any details about this supposed mis-management?

Yeah.

The fact that we're having to take this to a vote for more money when they should have been able to pay off the renovations years ago from operating profits is a pretty sure indicator that someone ain't doing their fucking job.

Are you this naive when your company's 401K administrator shits the bed with one of the funds he puts your company's money in?

Just because you happened to hear that the name of the outfit that run's the Truman sports complex is called the "Jackson County Sports Authority" doesn't make YOU an authority on Jackson county politics. I'd be willing to bet you don't even know how many members there are, who they are, or how the fuck they got there...until you NOW start googling like hell trying to find out.

Clock's ticking...

Who cares how many of the cocksuckers there are? It doesn't take a rocket-powered-forklift scientist to see that the money's been misspent.

[Raydah James]

Fuck it... I'm chiming in on this one, bets be damned.

Fucking Welching Nutpuddle.



Congrats on acheiving TREX and Pursestring Paula status in here-you have no doubt earned it. Bitch.

Ah, looking for a way to back out of that $50 you're going to have to pay me when the Chiefs clinch better record than the Faiders, are you?

Figures.

Unlike your hungry puffy ass, im a man of my word-hell, even your own bretheren are calling you a fucking welcher, you fucking welcher.


Suck a fat fucking jizzing cocksicle you pathetic dickvein.

[Raydah James]

I'm sure you read my post

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


I laughed.


Off this shit troll.

[War Wagon]

The fact that we're having to take this to a vote for more money when they should have been able to pay off the renovations years ago from operating profits is a pretty sure indicator that someone ain't doing their fucking job.

More generalizations based on ZERO facts. You're accusing people you don't even know of at the least being incompetent based on pure assumptions. You got any numbers regarding profits/expenses that you'd care to enlighten me with? That might help your argument.

Who cares how many of the cocksuckers there are? It doesn't take a rocket-powered-forklift scientist to see that the money's been misspent.

If you're going to make ignorant blanket statements, it helps to have at least some numbers to back it up.

And I'm not saying that you're completely wrong, just that you're spouting off because it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Again.

Here's a little info about the JCSCA so that the next time you want to appear all knowledgable about something that you know jackshit about, you'll have at least some ammunition.

Jackson County Sports Complex Authority
No. 4 Arrowhead Dr., 8501 Stadium Dr.
Kansas City, MO 64129
Telephone: (816)921-3600
FAX: (816)921-3677

The Jackson County Sports Complex Authority oversees operation of Royals Stadium and Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City. The board consists of five members appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Senate. No more than three board members may be of the same political party.

The authority was formed in 1966 to study location, feasibility and design of sports and recreational facilities for Jackson County. These duties include the acquisition, construction, design and funding of sports facilities, parking, concessions and other related facilities.

[JHawkBCD]

If you're going to make ignorant blanket statements, it helps to have at least some numbers to back it up.

The $300 million plus that they're asking for to rehab a facility that has outlived its practical life because they didn't maintain it properly when they should have, coupled with the fact that pumping that $300 million plus into a blighted region of the City with little economic impact outside of making Lamar Hunt a happy guy is more than enough.

Have you driven around the immediate perimeter roads surrounding the complex? There's nothing left, except for vacated, dilapidated buildings and lots & lots of places for people to dump truckloads of garbage.

Tell me what that $300 million plus is going to do to economically impact the area immediately around Truman Sports Complex, Whitey. Let me know when you come to the realization that it's "absolutely nothing".

Let the Chiefs pay for their fucking rolling roof if there's not going to be any economic impact for an area that desperately needs it.

And do a little better than posting a Googled address for a worthless organization, because if that's all you've got to bring, you ain't brought shit.

[War Wagon]

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Come on Wagon, call him some more names, you know you want to.

WTF are you babbling on about? You want names? What names, you dumbshit? What the HELL do they put in the water in Kansas, anyway? Sheesh, there has to be a reason you fucks are so dense.

I'm sure you read my post, and judging by your lack of a response, I'll accept your surrender.

Yes, I read your post.

You want instant gratification by getting some sort instant response? You're prolly also still holding a grudge against your mum and dad for not instantly appearing at your crib to change that shitty diaper every time you whined for attention. I suppose they "surrendered" too.

I'll respond to your post(s) (which didn't totally suck, btw) in my good time. I type slowly.

Hold yourself, k?

[KC Scott]

Fuck it... I'm chiming in on this one, bets be damned.

[RadioFan]

Tulsa doesn't have a major league sports franchise... and they also lost a lot of jobs there when the oil industry practically disappeared there... but they're growing east & south at an incredible rate.

South and North, actually. And I agree with most of your post, except for OKC, which is about to grow even faster than it has -- amazingly so, especially with the complete revival of downtown. And the Hornets being "temporary" is very much up in the air, depending on this season, and given that the owner has bought a home in Nichols Hills.

WW is correct as well. Metro areas, if they want to survive, can't cut off the head to spite the dick. KC is unique in that regard. It's the only major metro area outside of the East Coast or Los Angeles where people are forced to think about those around them. Jackson County can't support the Chiefs on its own, nor can Johnson County residents not expect to pay their fair share. If anybody pulls out, the whole thing falls down. It's a house of cards in a lot of ways.


Btw, tards, if you're so obsessed about JHawk posting, I'll move this to Main Street.

UCant, this forum is for NFL myopic and homerism, which was the basis of your challenge. This thread has clearly gone way beyond football. Dude hasn't posted in a football thread. Does the welching label apply? Yes or no?

[War Wagon]

The $300 million plus that they're asking for to rehab a facility that has outlived its practical life because they didn't maintain it properly when they should have, coupled with the fact that pumping that $300 million plus into a blighted region of the City with little economic impact outside of making Lamar Hunt a happy guy is more than enough.

Outlived it's "practical" life? Tell that to the next 78,000 or so faithful whom descend upon Arrowhead to party like R-James at a Laguna beach nudist festival. What are you smoking?

Fuck! Might as well take the wrecking ball to the facility next week.

Have you driven around the immediate perimeter roads surrounding the complex? There's nothing left, except for vacated, dilapidated buildings and lots & lots of places for people to dump truckloads of garbage.

Actually, there wasn't much there to begin with. It was built adjacent to an industrial zone. The Leeds GM plant was still pumping out gas guzzlers on Manchester trwy at the time it was built.

This is news how? Oh, I get it. In your disposable world, everything is sposed to be bright, shiny, and new... as far as the eye can see.

Not pretty enough? Tear the fucker down and build elsewhere. That's the ticket. Only problem is, all new things get old, and eventually you run out of space to keep building.

Tell me what that $300 million plus is going to do to economically impact the area immediately around Truman Sports Complex, Whitey. Let me know when you come to the realization that it's "absolutely nothing".

As opposed to economically impacting what? A cornfield in KS? And let's spend years and $$$ dollars running those farmers off their land using emminent domain. That always works well.

Let the Chiefs pay for their fucking rolling roof if there's not going to be any economic impact for an area that desperately needs it.

The rolling roof idea is horseshit. Didn't I already say that? The Royals don't even want a rolling roof.

Arrowhead only? That sounds feasible, especially if it means getting the SuperBowl, which it sounds like it does.

And do a little better than posting a Googled address for a worthless organization, because if that's all you've got to bring, you ain't brought shit.

Hey, at least you have some facts to throw around the next time you mindlessly bash a group of people you know nothing about.

[KC Scott]

Scott & Wagon- I'll take my explaination in another direction. Yeah, the Chiefs and Royals are beneficial to the entire metro area. But, the Truman Sports complex is owned and operated by Jackson County, and should be taken care of by Jackson County.

No, it should be taken care of by the entire Metropolitan region.
They are the Kansas City Chiefs, not the Jackson County Chiefs.

Actually, I take it back. They should take care of their fucking selves,
but since they can't it should fall on every fat ass that fills a seat no matter where they are from.

Since that won't happen, it should be spread across the entire 5 county area, as well as funded by the state (seems only right since they helped finance the TWA..... err... Edward Jones Dome.

Take the Kansas Speedway for example. Bought and paid for by NASCAR, the City of Kansas City Kansas, the govenment of Wyandotte county, and the state of Kansas. As far as I'm concerned you guys should bear ZERO burden when it comes time to maintain, and keep the place running, in terms of tax dollars derived from things like Bi-State, end of story.

Here's a bolt of wisdon sparky. Your comparing apples and oranges.

When the complex was built in 1971 - 70% of the KC metro tax base was Jackson county. Now it is less than 50%.

Comparing the Raceway is a boner as well, since the whole thing, including roads only cost 250m. If i remember NASCAR footed a large chunk to get a presence in the midwest and another large chunk was favorable tax status by the state and county, yet another chunk through issue of muni bonds.

Different ballgame here.

You can't make money magically appear from Tags and the owners and i don't think you can sell bonds for maintenace.

My hope is they build the new Narrowhead right next to fucking Cabella's then you Kansas tightwads can worry about it. Hell, since you quit teaching evolution in your schools, maybe Jesus will build the mother fucker as a landing pad when he comes to take all you simple bastards back to the fucking promised land of Salina.

Now if you guys purchase a ticket, pay for parking, I say welcome and enjoy your day or weekend over here on the Kansas side. I'm sure while your over here you'll purchase food, drink, maybe a tank of gas, and God only knows what else. All things that generate tax revanue.

Glad you brought up the ticket issue, beacuse when they do move it over there, the funny thing is none of you will be able to afford to go. I sure as fuck won't plop down 10K for a PSL much less $15 for a beer but your more than welcome to it.

Does the fact that your from the Missouri make you, in KC Scotts words a "worthless Missourian"? Does that mean that you guys in Missouri are drinking "free milk" while not paying for the cow? No. And most of all, does that make you guys on the Missouri side "worthless"? No way.

Hold on there, Dorathy. You seem to have confused the issues.
I could give a flying fuck about the speedway, and since you live in JoCo, rather than Wyandotte, I don't think your footing any of the bill.

So once again, it's real nice of you to ante up chips you didn't pay for.

Take care of your house, and I'll take care of mine.

Arrowhead isn't your house? You aren't a Chiefs fan? You don't Go to games? You don't watch them on Sunday?

Typical Kansan.......

It's my house only when the rent is due

[JHawkBCD]

Tulsa doesn't have a major league sports franchise... and they also lost a lot of jobs there when the oil industry practically disappeared there... but they're growing east & south at an incredible rate.

South and North, actually

Yeah, OK, you're talking about growth towards Owasso, I was thinking growth on east towards Claremore. I've spent enough time in Tulsa lately that it's hard to tell where Tulsa ends and Broken Arrow starts.

And I agree with most of your post, except for OKC, which is about to grow even faster than it has -- amazingly so, especially with the complete revival of downtown. And the Hornets being "temporary" is very much up in the air, depending on this season, and given that the owner has bought a home in Nichols Hills.

Never meant to infer that OKC isn't growing... it is, and Bricktown is a big part of it... but Bricktown is an excellent argument for why the downtown KC baseball stadium should be a focus of the KC area in terms of economic growth.

WW is correct as well. Metro areas, if they want to survive, can't cut off the head to spite the dick.

That's where I disagree. Major League sports, while they're nice to be able to point at in terms of "prestige", are not critical to the economic viability of a community, and the examples I gave are solid proof of that.

At the same time, I'm also not saying that the Chiefs and Royals should be told to go pound sand... what I AM saying is that Whitey Wagon and his ilk shouldn't jump on the first plan that comes along to keep the Chiefs in the State of Missouri just because of this Irie-like penis envy that he has for all things Kansas. I'm fine with the Chiefs staying in KCMO... but in the right situation. This "rolling roof" horseshit isn't the right situation.

[JHawkBCD]

Outlived it's "practical" life? Tell that to the next 78,000 or so faithful whom descend upon Arrowhead to party like R-James at a Laguna beach nudist festival. What are you smoking?

Fuck! Might as well take the wrecking ball to the facility next week.

That's Lamar Hunt and King Carl's argument, anyways...

Actually, there wasn't much there to begin with. It was built adjacent to an industrial zone. The Leeds GM plant was still pumping out gas guzzlers on Manchester trwy at the time it was built.

This is news how? Oh, I get it. In your disposable world, everything is sposed to be bright, shiny, and new... as far as the eye can see.

As opposed to keeping everything in an industrial shithole in order to create this quasi-1970's Pittsburgh Steelers image?

Yeah, dirty shithole industrial zones do a lot for attracting travel & tourism dollars to help support an economy.

Not pretty enough? Tear the fucker down and build elsewhere. That's the ticket. Only problem is, all new things get old, and eventually you run out of space to keep building.

As opposed to a building that has already been deemed old and inadequate by the Chiefs organization, and pumping hundreds of millions into it is going to make it last longer than building a new facility with the same cash? And the surroundings still look like shit?

Reboot, Logic Wagon.

Try visiting a city with a viable NFL team and see if the neighborhood around the stadium is as much of a shithole as the Leeds plant, et al.

Tell me what that $300 million plus is going to do to economically impact the area immediately around Truman Sports Complex, Whitey. Let me know when you come to the realization that it's "absolutely nothing".

As opposed to economically impacting what? A cornfield in KS? And let's spend years and $$$ dollars running those farmers off their land using emminent domain. That always works well.

I don't supposed that strong moral objection you have to "emminent domain" will keep you from attending a NASCAR race anytime soon, though.

[War Wagon]

My hope is they build the new Narrowhead right next to fucking Cabella's then you Kansas tightwads can worry about it. Hell, since you quit teaching evolution in your schools, maybe Jesus will build the mother fucker as a landing pad when he comes to take all you simple bastards back to the fucking promised land of Salina.

Scott's entire last post was nailz, but whatever else gets said, this beauty shan't go bye w/o a huge fucking rack!