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[Sky]

Well, why that is a real threat and has been done to OSU, I wouldn't put OSU's D in the same class as BYU and Purdue. What are they ranked, 109 and 110 overall? :wink:

[Killian]

Probably. Just the only teams that I noticed do it, and continue to do it even after Quinn threw 9 or 10 of those passes.

[Sky]

Well if that is the best you got, it ain't gonna cut it. But I am sure the Patriots minded guru will come up with something more. I just hope Troy Smith continues his late season heroics.

[M2]

The Irish are put into better bowls than they deserve:

The Irish have lost seven straight bowl games — losing by an average of 37-18 — since beating Texas A&M to end the 1993 season.


m2

[Killian]

We're talking about football here, you wouldn't understand.

Sky,

I'm sure he'll have more. Hell, it has to be better than the last time ND played an OSU in a bowl. They literally knew the play that was going to be run when LoVecchio called it at the line. Good thing ND has some coaches now.

[Sky]

When did OSU play ND in a bowl? I don't remember it occuring.

The only four games I am aware of are the ass whuppings we laid on you in 95 and 96 and the 1935 13-18 and 1936 2-7 losses.

You're just trying to make shit up aren't you.


Ahh wait, you mean any OSU in general--point taken.

[Killian]

Fuckin '95 and God damn Emmit Mosley! :brad: Fucking fumbled a punt inside his own ten, when trying to catch the punt, one armed, while it was sailing over his head. Fuck him!

I know the '96 game had a single digit score, but that game wasn't that close. That was the flattest an ND team looked under Holtz in a big game. And he later admitted as much.

[Sky]

Just FYI,

1995: OSU 45 - Notre Dame 26
1996: OSU 29 - Notre Dame 16

Anything else? :wink:

[Killian]

Yeah, ND had the lead mid to late in the 4th quarter when Mosley fumbled. OSU got a short TD drive out of that, and ND was toast. That completely broke their will.

Here's hoping that won't happen this time.

-edit-

That's right. The final score of the '96 game was 13 points, because Denson's punt return for a TD that was called back because of holding (good call) would have cut the lead to 6. ND couldn't do shit on offese that day. Their receivers were horrible.

[Bobby42]

Someone told me there was a story on WBNS 1460 that A. J. Hawk dated Brady Quinn's sister. Urban Legend? Factor that in.

[Killian]

It appears to be true. It's his older sister. She loves Notre Dame also, hence dating the hunch back.

[Sky]

Ha hahahah, very funny, I am just glad she's not dating that scarecrow Samardzija

[Killian]

It's Shark, not Scarecrow. Get the dumb nicknames straight!

[Sky]

How about a scary looking shark on a scarecrow body, that boy freaks me out and I pitty the DB who has to line up across from him.

An article fromt the O-Zone:

Irish Stewing
By Tony Gerdeman

I know that I don’t speak for all Ohio State fans when I say that people just need to stop whining about Notre Dame getting an automatic bid for being in the Top 6 of the BCS poll. If there wasn’t a Top 6 stipulation for mid-majors, then we’d never be able to see a Utah or a Memphis or an Arkansas State or a Notre Dame in the BCS.

What the BCS has done is given teams that aren’t good enough to belong to a BCS conference an opportunity to show that they belong. And I’m sure that Notre Dame will be trying to prove that they are every bit the football power that Utah is. If there weren’t a Top 6 stipulation, then Notre Dame would be relegated to the Gator Bowl on NBC every year.

Don’t get me wrong, the Gator Bowl is a good bowl. It’s a New Year’s Day bowl game, after all. The problem is that it’s basically the rich man’s Humanitarian/MPC Computers Bowl in Boise, Idaho. Just like the MPC Computers Bowl is intended for Boise State every year, the Gator Bowl is intended for Notre Dame every year. The Gator Bowl is basically the old Humanitarian Bowl with racing stripes and power windows.

Giving Notre Dame, and all mid-majors, a chance to be in a BCS bowl game gives them the necessary exposure to compete with the Michigan States and the Boston Colleges of the world. If we don’t give UTEP, Eastern Michigan and Notre Dame a shot at the BCS, then we really haven’t progressed as a country. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, do you really think he meant that all men were created equal, except for SMU, Tulsa and Notre Dame? I don’t think so. The little guys have just as much right to a piece of the BCS pie as the big guys.

And so what if Notre Dame has lost seven consecutive bowl games. You can’t always expect to win 14.3% of your bowl games. If you look at their opponents over those seven bowl games, it’s easy to see why they were unable to overcome the big school mystique.

In the 1994 season, Notre Dame lost to Colorado in the ’95 Fiesta Bowl 41-24. Notre Dame, as a lone independent, did well to stay within 17 points of the Buffalo juggernaut in that game.

In the 1995 season, Notre Dame lost to mighty Florida State in the ’96 Orange Bowl 31-26. Yes, that Florida State. If you’re like me, you’re pretty impressed that they almost beat the Seminoles. Almost score one for the little guy.

In the 1996 season, there was no bowl. Probably because Notre Dame was unlisted in the phone book.

In the 1997 season, Notre Dame lost to LSU 27-9 in the Independence Bowl. Keep in mind that this was an LSU team that was representing the 4,000 pound gorilla known as the SEC. Had Notre Dame had the kind of backing that LSU did, you would have to think that they would have been far more competitive.

In the 1998 season, Notre Dame lost to Georgia Tech 35-28 in the ‘99 Gator Bowl. It was a tough loss, but not an unexpected loss, as the Yellow Jackets had won a National Championship less than a decade earlier.

In the 1999 season, there was no bowl. If I recall correctly, they didn’t want to be flying during Y2K.

In the 2000 season, Notre Dame lost in the ’01 Fiesta Bowl 41-9 to Oregon State. There is no truth to the rumor that they sold their entire ticket allotment to Nebraska fans. It was probably this game that epitomized the distance between a BCS school and a mid-major like Notre Dame or Tulane or Louisiana-Lafayette.

In the 2001 season, there was no bowl. The rumor was that Notre Dame was being discriminated against for only winning five games. Rather than get in a fight against the immovable NCAA, Notre Dame just decided to move on and focus on academics.

In the 2002 season, Notre Dame lost to North Carolina State 28-6 in the ’03 Gator Bowl. It had to be frustrating to be playing a major BCS opponent every year in a bowl game and never getting an opponent of comparable talent. Say a North Texas or a Northern Illinois or even a San Jose State.

In the 2003 season, there was no bowl game for Notre Dame. At the time, the speculation was that the winner of the Sugar Bowl between LSU and Oklahoma would play Notre Dame, but the “National Champion” Tigers reneged on the deal.

In 2004, Notre Dame once again lost to Oregon State. This time the bowl was the Insight Bowl and the score was 38-21. However, this time Notre Dame exacted their revenge on the hurtful Beavers by losing to them by fifteen fewer points than they did in 2001. This was a clear indicator that Notre Dame was definitely ready for that next step. That “next step” was aided last year when Utah made the BCS and walked all over mighty Pittsburgh. Notre Dame saw that and said, “If Utah can win a BCS game, then so can we!”

This year, Notre Dame will get that opportunity. And if history is any lesson, the Buckeyes better be ready. Notre Dame no longer sees itself as the pasty, red-headed stepchild of the NCAA. They see themselves as the under-cared-for middle child.

Well, on January 2nd, 2006, the middle child is going to make their definitive cry for attention and unleash a gauntlet of slaps and kicks the likes of which Ohio State has never seen. Will it be enough? It’s too early to say. However, if Ohio State isn’t careful, they could get a cornea scratched or a finger dislocated. Horseplay is dangerous.

As I think about Notre Dame’s place in the BCS, I’m reminded of the first time that I got to eat at the adults’ table for dinner at my grandma’s house. I was no longer stuck eating meatloaf on the coffee table watching PBS. I was in the kitchen, eating meatloaf and listening to conversations about PBS. And it was grand. I appreciated my step up just as I’m sure Notre Dame appreciates the step up the BCS gave them a few years ago. However, when I made my step up, I at least brought something to the table (and it wasn’t a possible NCAA record-tying eighth consecutive bowl loss). So here’s hoping Notre Dame appreciates the hand out given to them by the BCS. I’m sure Troy or Louisiana-Monroe or Florida Atlantic would switch with Notre Dame in a heartbeat. Don’t take this opportunity for granted, Notre Dame. Because next year a counterpart like Florida International may take it from you.

[Terry in Crapchester]

5 WR, no huddle set: (Northwestern scores a total of 7 against OSU) check
ball control, using screens: (Iowa scores a total of 6 against OSU) check

Keep running that. I sincerely hope tOSU thinks it drew another Northwestern or Iowa in its bowl matchup. They'll be in for a rude awakening if that's the case.

[MClub]

are notre dame and osu even going to play? i figure all they'll do is stand at mid-field while trading stories about what it's like to have joint-custody of michigan. we are the center of the world, non?

[Sky]

No no, this is like the rubber match. The winner gets to have full parental control while the loser is relegated to one weekend visit next fall.

For the full-time parent, LCarr is essentially their butler and will work side by side with the opposing teams equipment manager. Lloyd will have time to learn all about the Golden Dome, Touchdown Jesus, Buckeye Stickers and/or Golden Pants.

And you ND pricks are real classy:

Cops investigating burglary at Buckeyes players' homeAssociated Press


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Columbus police are investigating a burglary at the rented home of two Ohio State football players.

Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk, center Nick Mangold and another roommate lost $3,000 in cash and other items worth thousands of dollars when their campus-area house was burglarized last month.

Police say they have no suspects in the theft, which included two laptop computers, DVDs worth $1,400, video games worth $750 and a $500 watch.

The fourth-ranked Buckeyes (9-2) play No. 5 Notre Dame (9-2) in the Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 2 in Tempe, Ariz.

Is this the best you can come up with?

[Killian]

Cops investigating burglary at Buckeyes players' homeAssociated Press


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Columbus police are investigating a burglary at the rented home of two Ohio State football players.

Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk, center Nick Mangold and another roommate lost $3,000 in cash and other items worth thousands of dollars when their campus-area house was burglarized last month.

Police say they have no suspects in the theft, which included two laptop computers, DVDs worth $1,400, video games worth $750 and a $500 watch.
The fourth-ranked Buckeyes (9-2) play No. 5 Notre Dame (9-2) in the Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 2 in Tempe, Ariz.

Is this the best you can come up with?

I know I had all that shit when I was a poor college student. Especially the $3,000 laying around my crib. Was Troy Smith seen running from the sceen?

[Sky]

No, but I heard MClarett was over the week before. So maybe it was only like $30 and they were under some undue influence.

But really, you shouldn't be talking when one considers ND students. This is the institute where the students parking lot has nicer cars than the faculty, where everyone walks around in Pattagonia and NFace jackets, and where mommy and daddy send $5000 a month stipends.

Maybe Mangold and Hawk were just ND type students who wanted to play for a real football team who can win bowl games.

Did you notice, losing this game will set a record for consecutive bowl losses?

[Killian]

Did you notice, losing this game will set a record for consecutive bowl losses?

No, but that doesn't surprise me. Given the complete ineptitude of the last two coaching staffs, I never figured them to win a bowl game. There bowls under Davie and Willingham were a comedy of errors. Holtz got screwed playing FSU with his back-up QB, and they declined a bowl bid his last year. Oh well.

[Terry in Crapchester]

But really, you shouldn't be talking when one considers ND students. This is the institute where the students parking lot has nicer cars than the faculty, where everyone walks around in Pattagonia and NFace jackets, and where mommy and daddy send $5000 a month stipends.

Don't know where you got this info, but that definitely wasn't the case for me when I was a student. Try a $100 a month stipend thanks to a NROTC scholarship, and no car until after graduation (and then, I bought the car, not my parents).

[Killian]

[Ohio State will blitz the shit out of him and probably get a good hit on him 15-25 times during the game. Quinn should probably talk to Drew Stanton, Drew Tate and Brent Basenez to get some tips on how to see receivers downfield while looking out the earhole of his helmet.

That number seems a bit high. One of Quinn's best attributes is his mobility in the pocket. He's very good at avoiding pressure and avoiding the sack.

[Killian]

[Sky]

HOLY shit, rack elephant boy, so does Brady's sister look like Cher?

Don't know where you got this info, but that definitely wasn't the case for me when I was a student. Try a $100 a month stipend thanks to a NROTC scholarship, and no car until after graduation (and then, I bought the car, not my parents).

Well, it may not have been true for you but lets not avoid the obvious. However, it is all for jest. Mangold and Hawk are probably getting perks but if that is the worst that happens, I don't feel too bad.

But now it all makes sense, TiC is a Navy guy, I hated him but didn't know why until now. Were you on a full ride? I have a few friends who's college tuition/scholarship through the military was more than they would be paid the first four years of their career (Duke, RPI, etc...)

[Terry in Crapchester]

HOLY shit, rack elephant boy, so does Brady's sister look like Cher?

Cher was the mother. The more germane question would be whether she looks like Laura Dern.

But now it all makes sense, TiC is a Navy guy, I hated him but didn't know why until now. Were you on a full ride? I have a few friends who's college tuition/scholarship through the military was more than they would be paid the first four years of their career (Duke, RPI, etc...)

Full tuition plus $100 per month stipend. Nothing for room and board. My scholarship wasn't quite as much as I made in the next four years, but it was pretty close. Remember, this was '82-'86.

[SoCalTrjn]

Is this the last year that ND would get a full share of the BCS money? Somewhere I heard that in the future they wont get the full 14 million or whatever it is that most teams get (and then split with their conference) Heard that ND was going to get 5 or 6 million if they were in a BCS game all to themselves, which is still more than other teams would get after they share it with their conference

[Sky]

You are correct, next year ND will be limited to 4.5M per BCS game. As the article said, "timing is everything."

[Terry in Crapchester]

Don't know where you got this info, but that definitely wasn't the case for me when I was a student. Try a $100 a month stipend thanks to a NROTC scholarship, and no car until after graduation (and then, I bought the car, not my parents).

Well, it may not have been true for you but lets not avoid the obvious.

There were certainly a lot of rich kids there, but now that I think back on my college days, not many of the people I hung out with had cars. And those who did hardly had the top of the line models, most were their parents' hand-me-downs. Of course, when I was in college ('82-'86), there wasn't quite the market for luxury automobiles that there is now.

I do remember that there was a lot of borrowing of cars back then among your friends. Looking back, I'm surprised that people did that, and if my stepdaughter has a car at college, I would never approve of her lending the car out to one of her friends. Times have changed, not necessarily for the better in that regard.

[Sky]

Agreed, I purposely bought a $300 '84 Honda Civic to take to OSU. That way if someone broke into it, borowwed it, or wrecked it I wouldn't care.

My sister is a junior at OSU w/ a new Jeep Liberty which already got broken into. Is anyone really surprised?

But I was really just taking a shot to poke fun at you "rich" ND alumni.

[Sky]

OK, here is some more ND-OSU info:

Four previous game recaps:

* Nov. 2, 1935 at Columbus: Notre Dame 18, Ohio State 13 -- A then-record crowd of 81,018 jammed into 14-year-old Ohio Stadium to witness what was billed as The Game of the Century, the first ever meeting between Ohio State and Notre Dame.
--And they saw a great one. Ohio State led 13-0 heading into the fourth, but ND rallied with three fourth-quarter touchdowns and fed off several OSU miscues to pull out the win. ND’s Bill Shakespeare, a Cincinnati native, threw the game-winning 19-yard pass to Wayne Millner with 32 seconds left.
--Tickets for this game sold for $50 each and there were widespread reports of counterfeit tickets. OSU officials said they could have sold 200,000 tickets for the game if they had room.

* Oct. 31, 1936 at South Bend: Notre Dame 7, Ohio State 2 -- Few remember this rematch a year later at Notre Dame Stadium, where a sellout crowd of 50,017 was on hand. OSU’s Charles Hamrick blocked an ND punt for a safety. The Irish had the game’s only touchdown on a 4-yard run by Nevin “Bunny” McCormick.

* Sept. 30, 1995 at Columbus: Ohio State 45, Notre Dame 26 -- After six decades of waiting, football fans got their wish as these two teams met again in Columbus. Ohio State rolled up 535 yards total offense to win going away. George carried 32 times for 207 yards and two touchdowns. Bobby Hoying threw for 272 yards and four touchdowns, while Terry Glenn caught four passes for 128 yards including a memorable 82-yard touchdown.
--ND coach Lou Holtz, a former OSU assistant, coached the game on the sidelines wearing a neck brace just weeks after undergoing spinal surgery. Randy Kinder ran for 143 yards and three touchdowns for Notre Dame.
--An Ohio Stadium-record crowd of 95,537 attended the game. Scalpers commanded $150 and up for $25 face value tickets.

* Sept. 28, 1996 at South Bend: Ohio State 29, Notre Dame 16 -- Ohio State drew even with Notre Dame in the all-time series before a sellout crowd of 59,075 at Notre Dame Stadium. OSU’s Dimitrious Stanley returned the opening kickoff 85 yards to set up a touchdown, while tailback Pepe Pearson rolled for 173 yards rushing and two touchdowns.
--The Buckeyes got after ND quarterback Ron Powlus, who was 13 of 30 passing for 154 yards and one touchdown. He was intercepted twice and was sacked four times. (Current OSU assistant Luke Fickell had one interception and one sack in the game.)


And here is some scheduling stuff, I had no idea our AD was from ND:

* Future Meetings? -- Notre Dame typically plays Michigan every year. The Irish did not play UM, though, in 1995-96 when they fit Ohio State onto the schedule.

But new OSU athletic director Gene Smith, an ND alum and former Irish player, said he had some preliminary talks with his ND counterpart, Kevin White, about possible meetings in the future.

Now, though, it seems like we will not have to wait that long for the rubber match in this series.

[Killian]

Is this the last year that ND would get a full share of the BCS money? Somewhere I heard that in the future they wont get the full 14 million or whatever it is that most teams get (and then split with their conference) Heard that ND was going to get 5 or 6 million if they were in a BCS game all to themselves, which is still more than other teams would get after they share it with their conference

Yep, it's called the Kevin White/Monk Malloy-bend-over-and-take-it-in-the-ass agreement. They cap out at $4.5 million when the make it, and get $1 million when they don't. If I was a fan of any BCS conference team, I would be outraged at this deal.

As for Quinn getting hit, luckily he's a big kid (6'4", 230 lbs) and can move well. It will take a lot to knock him down. He's not some little pussy like Tate.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Is this the last year that ND would get a full share of the BCS money? Somewhere I heard that in the future they wont get the full 14 million or whatever it is that most teams get (and then split with their conference) Heard that ND was going to get 5 or 6 million if they were in a BCS game all to themselves, which is still more than other teams would get after they share it with their conference

Yep, it's called the Kevin White/Monk Malloy-bend-over-and-take-it-in-the-ass agreement. They cap out at $4.5 million when the make it, and get $1 million when they don't. If I was a fan of any BCS conference team, I would be outraged at this deal.

Not quite sure why you say that. If ND qualifies for one BCS bowl, ND would have to miss out on a BCS bowl for the next 10-11 years just to make up the lost revenue. This is a better deal for everyone else.

[Killian]

Not quite sure why you say that. If ND qualifies for one BCS bowl, ND would have to miss out on a BCS bowl for the next 10-11 years just to make up the lost revenue. This is a better deal for everyone else.

Because if ND doesn't make it, they still get a cut of the pie. They get a conference deal without being in a conference. I feel that ND is an independent, and they should sink or swim as an independent w/r/t the BCS. I feel that deal was made because White/Malloy thought it would be easier to get that money than to fix the football program. Their short sightedness will cost ND millions over the next decade.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I see your point, although I'm not sure I agree with you on White and Malloy. Everything I've read going back two years was that the BCS was looking to cut ND's share of BCS revenue to $4.5 million when the current deal expired. That's the share that a second team from a BCS conference gets (to share with the other members of the conference, of course).

I wasn't there for the negotiations. Perhaps the BCS presented the $4.5 million deal to ND as a fait accompli, take it or leave it. In that case, White and Malloy may have negotiated the best deal they could.

No question the deal cost ND money. Even in two coaching administrations regarded as failures, ND qualified for one BCS bid in seven years and was this close to two others. It's virtually inconceivable that ND would experience a 10-11 year drought in BCS appearances (assuming, of course, that the BCS is around long enough).

I suppose one thing the BCS conference members might be pissed about is the fact that this deal may actually give ND less incentive to join a conference than ever, even if the program stumbles, given that we get a slice of the pie roughly equal to that received by each conference member even when we don't qualify. But from a financial standpoint, the TV contract will weigh on that decision much more heavily than BCS revenue would in any event.

[Sky]

Unless I am missing something here, I think the deal kinda shorts ND as in, "they should be in a conference." For BCS bowl years, they will make a nice chunk ($4.5 M) from next year on out. However, when they miss a BCS bowl, they still get $1 M (Am I correct in assuming this means they make a bowl, just not a BCS bowl?).

For teams in one of the 5 major conferences, they split the bowl money:

The Big Ten has averaged $27.8 million in annual bowl revenues since the high-dollar BCS was implemented in 1998. Only the Southeastern Conference has earned more: an average of $29.5 million.

That is an average of $2.53 M for each Big10 team and $2.45 M for each SEC team per year since '98.

This year the per team take home looks like this:
Big 10 - $3.18 M
SEC - $2.7125
Big 12 - $2.08 M
Pac 10 - $1.99 M
Big East - $WHO CARES

So, the only years ND would make more would be when they make the BCS (really only 3 open spots per year) and on their off years they would make about a mil less than if they were in a conference.

All of this is from USA Today

[Killian]

Terry,

I agree. I wasn't there and I'm sure this was probably the best they could have done. I don't think Malloy and/or White is stupid enough to walk in with this their idea. But it seems that White negotiates from a position of weakness instead of strength. I have a huge problem with that.

Sky,

Before, ND would get the full pot or nothing at all. Now, they get $1M guaranteed every year, even if they are 0-12. As Terry pointed out, this lessens the reasons to join a conference.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Sky,

Before, ND would get the full pot or nothing at all. Now, they get $1M guaranteed every year, even if they are 0-12. As Terry pointed out, this lessens the reasons to join a conference.

Not to mention that if ND qualifies for one of the non-BCS bowls with Big East tie-ins, they still get to keep that revenue. Let's assume ND goes 8-4 and doesn't qualify for the BCS, but gets the Gator Bowl bid. That's $1 million from the BCS and $2 million or whatever the payout is from the Gator Bowl that ND gets to keep for itself.

That's as much money as ND would get from bowl revenue, more or less, if it's a member of a BCS conference.

[Sky]

Ahh, I didn't know all that. I thought they only got the 1M if they made a bowl (non-bcs) and didn't even think about the other bowl money.

Point taken, don't see you joining the Big11 anytime soon.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Ahh, I didn't know all that. I thought they only got the 1M if they made a bowl (non-bcs) and didn't even think about the other bowl money.

Point taken, don't see you joining the Big11 anytime soon.

The new BCS deal probably removes any financial incentive ND has to join a conference. Still, the TV deal will be the determining factor. Under the new deal, bowl revenue is small potatoes compared to the TV contract. Beginning next year, ND can receive a maximum of $4.5 million in bowl revenue. The TV contract, OTOH, pays $9 million per year, and if: (a) ND's program continues to improve; (b) with the move to a 12-game schedule, the NCAA approves a 7th home game; or (c) both of the above; it's a fairly safe bet that ND will try to renegotiate the TV contract upward. In any event, ND probably needs the continuing TV contract, either with NBC or a similar contract with someone else, to continue to go it alone.

As for the Big Ten, never say never, of course, but I don't see us joining the Big Ten regardless of circumstances. The overwhelming majority of ND's fanbase has made it abundantly clear that they don't want ND affiliated with the Big Ten, I've gone over the reasons for this several times before. Imho, the fact that ND so nearly joined the ACC a few years back (imho, the only reason the deal fell through was because the ACC lost its bid to have a playoff game with only 11 members, they needed the 12th member to join as a football member immediately, and ND wouldn't commit to that) was because the ND Administration thought that the ACC's expansion efforts would force ND into a conference, and that Big Ten membership would be too difficult a sell to the fanbase. Certainly, ND in the ACC would have been a strange fit for ND, to say the least: no ACC member has a campus within 600 miles of ND's campus, and the ACC primarily serves the region of the country where ND's fanbase is weakest.

[Killian]

Figures. He was a Nazi pope, anyway.