Did you notice the Flintstones 2005 version?

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:31 am

Last night vs. #6 Boston College, two Flint, Mi. stars were a significant part of the Spartans big victory over previously unbeaten BC.

Matt Trannon (Flint Northern High) and Marquise Gray (Flint Beecher High) both made their presence known on key plays in that second half.

The Spartans grabbed control with a 21-6 run in the second half, turning a 35-33 deficit into a 54-41 lead. Great defense fueling fast-break highlight plays made the difference — and helped the Spartans shoot 77.3 percent from the floor in the final 20 minutes.

The Eagles got back into it with a late 23-12 surge, cutting the 13-point deficit to two. But Trannon’s free throws with 1:07 left made it 71-67. Then Ager, Davis and Neitzel each hit a pair in the final minute to clinch. MSU made its final 12 free throws.

“That’s a tough cookie,” Izzo said of Trannon, a receiver for the football team who was playing his second basketball game of the season. “And for him to hit those two free throws — I was just hoping he’d hit the rim so we could get the rebound, to be honest.”

The Spartans have played SIX of their EIGHT games, AWAY from the Breslin Center on Campus! - four in Hawaii. One each in Grand Rapids, Mi. and Detroit. Compare that to Dook, who I think plays TWO games away from Cameron. And BOTH are on neutral courts! Also, TWO very close, (one very lucky vs. a bad Va Tech squad) wins, yet Dook stays #1. - Jeesus. :roll:

Same old, same old.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:32 am

Duke didn't pound on Tech but they did beat them. Can't punish a team in the polls until they lose. You guys didn't exactly mop the floor with Arkansas-Little Rock the other night either so don't think your shit doesn't stink. I'm not too myopic to say Duke is overrated though...Texas should expose them this weekend.

I didn't watch much of the MSU-BC game last night but I heard a funny line said during the broadcast. Someone said that Trannon provides toughness to the team...this is the same softy that played for the football team? Basketball is probably better for him because he won't drop as many passes since the ball is bigger and he doesn't have safeties breathing down his neck.

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:40 am

The guy had 45 catches for 600+ yards and 4 td's. Lay off, twerp.

Also; I had a typo; This Wichita State game for MSU will mark the Spartans SEVENTH of their first NINE games played, AWAY from the Breslin Center at E. Lansing.

Incredible how much the travel time takes away from real practice time. Wait until State actually has time at "HOME" to actually hold full team practices, instead of worrying about busses, planes, hotels and meals out of town.

You asses who use Hawaii as smack, will be eating your words come March.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:23 pm

Why do you care so much about Duke and why do you think we care so much about MSU?

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:07 pm

MSUFAN wrote:The guy had 45 catches for 600+ yards and 4 td's. Lay off, twerp.

With his size and physical ability, he should've done more...especially with #5 throwing him the ball.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:57 pm

Cicero wrote:Why do you care so much about Duke and why do you think we care so much about MSU?

Rack. I've always wondered why such the obsession. I thought Maryland fans had cornered that market. They may be boors, but at least they're in conference. I honestly don't mind you jocking your Spartans (never had reason to dislike them until.....). You're big fan of good team. Very nice. But almost every post includes a comparison/rip on Duke....a team not even in your conference. Whatever. Perhaps your escape is hating a little basketball team. It could be worse, I suppose....drugs, booze.

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:36 am

Hey; Dook is to MSU in hoops, as Notre Dame is to Michigan, in football. You absolutely despise them.

The very fabric of your being, despises the constant cock slobbing by the media, and 15+ "desk jockeys" on the various halftime and postgame shows. It's sickening. Their fucking coach even got a 2 month run of FREE advertising for fucking DOOK BASKETBALL on National TV last season, during that God damn American Express commercial! I'm getting sick of that shit. It's bothersome to see the favoritism given to this program. In terms of free recruiting videos. Inflated poll placement, as well as seeding in the Dance.

So, yeah. You could say I love to piss on Dook. They deserve it. They bring it onto themselves with their constant elitist, primadonna attitude, their creative scheduling favored by the ACC commisioner; and preferential treatment by most of the refs.

Sue me.

(Oh, and Dockery STILL sucks) :roll:

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:07 pm

I just remember your post entitled something about the Flintstones. What that has to do with Duke, I don't know. Maybe if you want to bang on Duke, start a Duke sucks thread. Seems like you cheapen your MSU pride entries with the customary Duke bashing included in each one.

It's a pretty easy formula, though. Win a bazillion games, show up for Final Fours in 86, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 94, 01, 04, win a couple of 'em and you just might attract some media attention. And now that they are such a polarizing team, they're a natural for many televised games. Uh, they draw good numbers....from the fans and anti-fans. (psst....it's marketing....money.....you know, business?)

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:29 pm

Cicero wrote:Why do you care so much about Duke and why do you think we care so much about MSU?

Constant yearning of MSU fans not to be the best, but to have the best look like shit. Standard MSU fan m.o. "I don't care if we win, so long as X doesn't win." X is typically Michigan, but you can freely substitute Duke into the equation and get the same result.

But you shouldn't care, Babs doesn't have a hard on for FSU.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:39 pm

MSUFAN wrote:Hey; Dook is to MSU in hoops, as Notre Dame is to Michigan, in football. You absolutely despise them.

MichiganFan despises Ohio State...the hatred for the Irish has cooled over the years. I don't like them but nothing compares to the feelings I have for the Buckeyes.

You're allowed to dislike Duke because they aren't your team but to single them out makes me think that they're in your head. Duke doesn't even play State ever year so there's no rivalry and other than in the tournament last year, Duke has owned State. Worry about the rest of Big Ten before going after the other national powers...should've learned that from last year with Illinois.

I'm curious to see if the hatred for the Devils subsides when Coach K leaves. I wonder if a lot of what goes on is because of him. For being one of the greatest coaches of all-time in any sport, he's gets the most venom spit towards him. To some, it sounds like he doesn't win national titles, he wins them by holding up the NCAA at gunpoint. The guy is one of the best at what he does but many will dispute his credibility when he's never broken a rule. It must be a rule that if a guy is great for a long time, he's corrupt or he's a cheater.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:36 pm

The vibe I got when Duke rolled in here in late November was that there were plenty of haters out there and the whole lineup got booed (beyond standard booing) but it promptly stopped when Krzyzewski was introduced. Contrary to some conventional wisdom, dude gets a lot of respect.

As for MSU, kind of sounds like White Sox fan, to whom the Cubs losing is FAR, FAR more important than Sox winning. Seems like MSUfan is much more concerned about a non-conference school the Spartans rarely play than what MSU actually does.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:52 pm

He tries to beat us over the head with the non-conference schedule but what does that get you every year? Fresno State plays a tough non-conference schedule in football but how many titles have they won because of it? For Duke playing Texas in December won't compare to playing them in March or April...teams change quite a bit between now and tourney time. With State being a top 10 team, why nitpick over something like a schedule...the bottomline is wins and losses. Playing tough games is one thing but winning them is another. A win in Texas would probably trump anything State has on their schedule but I'm not holding my breath on that. Coach K will have them prepared but Texas is probably the best team in the nation right now.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:28 pm

OK...if the NCAA is awarding trophies for "toughest schedule" then we can give it to the Spartans. Congrats. Let's all bow down. But who cares? Fact is, they DON'T hand out awards for scheduling. If an ACC schedule and a smattering of tough non-conference games aren't enough to prepare you for the tournament, then nothing is. Here, read this....http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/main/index.cgi?7095 Sums it up pretty good....

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:57 pm

they DON'T hand out awards for scheduling

No, they hand out higher seeds come tournament time. And I'd rather have that than a plaque.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:35 am

in the new "cinderella" mid-major friendly weighted RPI the TV networks/NCAA have engineered alongside the pod system (protect the high seeds and name schools--Kansas in 2003, for example), SOS is nothing to fuck with anymore.

"March Madness" incorporated wants two things: plucky underdog upsets in the first couple rounds (so everyone can pick them in the mandatory lemming office brackets) and maybe one darling marketable cinderella into the round of eight...... NAME schools in the later rounds are a premium.

to advertisers, nothing is more boring than a 20-11 Alabama team that was 8-8 or whatever in a conference that sent 6 teams to the tournament that might have beat the #1 team. they want Duke or Kentucky or Carolina or Kansas and then the plucky underdog with some goofy nickname like the Jaspers or Salukis or loverboy Valpo....that they can sell sell sell.

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:59 am

Shoalz wrote:" ......a dook win IN tx......."

They don't play in Tx., dummy. It's on neutral. The Garden in NYC, I think.

You guys just really miss the point. (Allthough I think Crimson got it best) And that is these programs (Dook has been doing it for years) get these hugely favoritism schedules. That gets them a much higher ranking than deserved. Thus the better seeding, in usually a weak regional. Except for last year of course. Dook actually got sent to, without doubt, the toughest regional. They then lost to Michigan State. Rather soundly beaten, and exposed. But my main complaint is that most every other Dance, they get a FREE ticket straight to the round of 16. Crimson's point is well taken. Yes, corporate CBS and Dance instructors want the 12 "name" teams in the S16, and the 4 cinderellas. I get that. What I don't get is why dook is constantly propped up the way they are. It just bugs me that they steal a spot or two in seeding, and get pretty easy roads to the 16 or 8 rounds. That, and the fawning all over by the commercials and the talking heads in studio's. It makes one ill.

Sue me!

By the way. Tom Izzo has never had a four year player NOT go to a Final Four. He's taken MSU there FOUR of the last seven seasons. Not even Mr. "American Express" has done that. So, it's understandable that when we continuously see this guy K get Jocked all over in the media, It gets us riled up. Perfectly understandable. And well within a fans right to "hate" on another team, imo. That's why they invented these forum thingies. So people can come and vent. Talk smack. And pimp their own guys.

Out.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:30 pm

MSUFAN wrote:
Shoalz wrote:" ......a dook win IN tx......."
They don't play in Tx., dummy. It's on neutral. The Garden in NYC, I think.

OK, they're at the Meadowlands but they are taking Texas behind the woodshed. You got something to say about Duke now?

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:49 pm

Yeah. Either Tx. layed down, and has the nads of a dust mite, or Dook just shot lights out, because (again) no Tx player ever learned from a coach how to D up JJ. Or Can't D up the little prick.
Lets se if they get a rematch against the Spartans and Shannon Brown and Maurice Ager, two nice 6'-4" and 6'-6" defenders.

Ager will Thunder Dunk on his ass, like he did last March!

Nice win for Dook. Now bring on the Madness!

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:19 pm

Yeah Duke sucks. Beat the #2 team in the country by 31 away from Duke.

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:14 pm

They don't suck. I didn't see the game, but that was a huge showing.
I just don't think they are Indy material.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:57 pm

Favoritism in scheduling? Until very recently, Duke has had to play everyone in the ACC, home-and-home. How did they get breaks in that regard? I don't recall them getting 3 games with FSU and Clemson and one less with Carolina and WF. Overrated? Hardly. Again, when you WIN THE ACC TOURNAMENT and REGULAR SEASON year after year, in some cases running the card, you deserve a #1 seed? That said, 1's and 2's get to play 16's and 15's. Of course they're going to have a damn good chance to sail through to the Sweet 16. Duh. And last year? Exposed? Bah. That Duke team wasn't picked to do much and overrachieved all season long. That they got to the Sweet 16 at all was pretty damn good.