Bears....for real?

Show Us Your Tits · Post by **Show Us Your Tits** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:28 pm

After that beat down by Pittsburgh yesterday, I'd have to say no.

Orton or Grossman? Well, before the game on CBS, Mooseface Shannon Sharpe said you have to stick with Orton because of all the wins. I barely picked it up due to Mooseface's speech impediment.

How does he feel now that Orton played like hell against a good team? Bears may as well stick Grossman in there in my opinion.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:53 pm

Orton needs to shave and be benched. He's not losing them games but he's definitely not the reason they're are winning them either. He's got a worse QB rating than Bollinger, Boller, Losman and Harrington. If that team gives up more than 10 points in a game, it's struggle for them to win. He probably just needs more time to learn the position but when you're in a position to be the #2 seed in a weak NFC, you have to look at what your best options are for winning.

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:16 pm

I'm not going to lobby for Orton but I damn well wouldn't lobby for Grossman either but not even our undefeated Colts would have been looking good in that one yesterday.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:22 pm

Dumbass wrote:I'm not going to lobby for Orton but I damn well wouldn't lobby for Grossman either but not even our undefeated Colts would have been looking good in that one yesterday.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes they would've.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:25 pm

A lot of media people are riding Grossman's jock, but based on what?

The only thing he's proved is he's a bigger china doll than fragile Ben.

Not to mention Orton has more starts and game experience than the china doll.

The Bears are what they are......a team in development. That's not going to change regardless who the QB is. Smith just needs to decide who his long term starter/project is.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:13 pm

Joe in PB wrote:A lot of media people are riding Grossman's jock, but based on what?

The only thing he's proved is he's a bigger china doll than fragile Ben.

Not to mention Orton has more starts and game experience than the china doll.

The Bears are what they are......a team in development. That's not going to change regardless who the QB is. Smith just needs to decide who his long term starter/project is.

Roethlisberger has more starts, more experience and a hell of a lot more ability at the QB position than Orton. For you to say otherwise only shows how little you know about football.

Smith has a chance to get a team deep in the playoffs. That is not something that happens every year. He needs to do what he can to give his team the best chance to win NOW. If the game against Pittsburgh showed anything, it is that Orton is not capable of playing catchup against a good defense. I don't know if Grossman is any better than Orton. But I do know that Orton has been outplayed this season by the likes of well... EVERYBODY.

Orton dead last in QB rating

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:48 pm

Roethlisberger has more starts, more experience and a hell of a lot more ability at the QB position than Orton.

I question fragile Ben's "durability" not his ability. Maybe his injury woes this year are just a fluke. Then again...maybe not. If I were the Steelers finding a capable back up in the off season is priority one.

Once upon a time the Ravens had this guy named Dilfer who the coach thought was easily replaceable........years later the coach is still trying to find a replacement. Leading the divison in the stretch run of the regular season isn't the time to experiment. Of course if you knew anything about football Bri...you'd know that.......

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:53 pm

^^^^^^^^^

It's on!...........

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:58 pm

Joe in PB wrote:
Roethlisberger has more starts, more experience and a hell of a lot more ability at the QB position than Orton.

I question fragile Ben's "durability" not his ability. Maybe his injury woes this year are just a fluke. Then again...maybe not. If I were the Steelers finding a capable back up in the off season is priority one.

Once upon a time the Ravens had this guy named Dilfer who the coach thought was easily replaceable........years later the coach is still trying to find a replacement. Leading the divison in the stretch run of the regular season isn't the time to experiment. Of course if you knew anything about football Bri...you'd know that.......

Of course, if you weren't so busy shatting yourself with your ignorance, you'd have figured out that the best way to deal with keeping a QB from getting injured is to get more depth for the offensive line. Better offensive line = better QB pocket protection.

At least that's what I heard Marcus Allen say, anyways.

Of course, that great backup in San Diego has sure gone a long way towards getting them where they are, hasn't he?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:00 pm

Joe in PB wrote:I question fragile Ben's "durability" not his ability. Maybe his injury woes this year are just a fluke. Then again...maybe not.

He played his whole rookie campaign without injury. And the injuries he's had this year were legit shots he took, particularly that one in San Diego that had half the posters here thinking he was done for the year. With another year under their belts, maybe Starks and Essex stop doing their impersonation of a colander and start pass blocking. The Bears game gives me some hope that they are in fact improving.

If I were the Steelers finding a capable back up in the off season is priority one.

They have a capable backup in Batch. If I had to bet, I'm guessing they will resign Batch and draft a QB in the 4th or 5th rounds. Failing that, they will be scouring the free agent market for their #3.

Once upon a time the Ravens had this guy named Dilfer who the coach thought was easily replaceable........years later the team is still trying to find a replacement. Finishing the stretch run in the regular season isn't the time to experiment. Of course if you knew anything about footabll Bri...you'd know that.......

As average as Dilfer was in that campaign, he was sporting a QB rating 16 points higher than Orton is right now. I have no idea how you can back Orton. He's thrown more INTs than TDs, he makes poor decisions, he's not particularly mobile and he's not very strong armed. Other than that he's the fucking prototype QB.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:10 pm

Jhawk last I checked Pittsburgh had a pretty good Oline until their OLT was injured.

They have a capable backup in Batch. If I had to bet, I'm guessing they will resign Batch and draft a QB in the 4th or 5th rounds. Failing that, they will be scouring the free agent market for their #3.

In other words if fragile Ben goes out next year the Steelers still won't be able to throw the ball or win any meaningful games. Props....and let me know how that works out for you.

The right thing to do is jetison Batch/Maddox and pick up another FA.

Dilfer was a whole 16 points better wow, impressive I guess if you're Charlie Batch.

Lovie might make a switch at QB, but it'll be because Grossman is a whole lot better than Orton in practice. He won't make the switch because he's hoping...praying Grossmans' better. Like you would Bri....

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:20 am

Joe in PB wrote:Jhawk last I checked Pittsburgh had a pretty good Oline until their OLT was injured.

You must have checked last year. The games against San Diego and New England showed some pretty glaring weaknesses, namely that it is possible for teams with good defensive fronts to get pressure on the QB with only the front 4. And that was with Marvel Smith in the lineup. Losing Smith has only made things worse.

In other words if fragile Ben goes out next year the Steelers still won't be able to throw the ball or win any meaningful games. Props....and let me know how that works out for you.

What I saw of Batch was a guy who can move the ball downfield in this offense. But I'm sure you saw Batch play this year. Right?

The right thing to do is jetison Batch/Maddox and pick up another FA.

Batch ain't going anywhere unless some GM loses his mind and offers him starters money. He's played well when he was asked, he's never complained about his role (even when Maddox was bumped in front of him for no reason), and he knows the system inside and out. You don't get rid of that. Plus, he's a hometown guy. So he's not going to want to leave unless he gets a clear opportunity to compete for a starting job elsewhere. Which ain't going to happen.

Maddox, on the other hand, is a goner. I seriously doubt he ever plays a down in the NFL again.

What I see is a late round draft pick and maybe a free agent signing for the #3 spot.

Dilfer was a whole 16 points better wow, impressive I guess if you're Charlie Batch.

Charlie Batch would be a tenfold improvement over Kyle Orton.

Lovie might make a switch at QB, but it'll be because Grossman is a whole lot better than Orton in practice. He won't make the switch because he's hoping...praying Grossmans' better. Like you would Bri....

You double up on the retarded pills today? Of course Smith would make that decision based on Grossman outperforming Orton. And how well Grossman has recovered from his injury. Who the fuck would make a QB change because they "hoped" or "prayed" the other guy was better? Unless Grossman has regressed, he's still the same QB who beat out Orton this summer. Never mind that it is statistically impossible to play QB worse that Kyle Orton and live to tell about it.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:08 am

Never mind that it is statistically impossible to play QB worse that Kyle Orton and live to tell about it.

It is? Think again..

Sincerely,

Ryan Leaf

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:13 am

Joe in PB wrote:
Never mind that it is statistically impossible to play QB worse that Kyle Orton and live to tell about it.
It is? Think again..

Sincerely,

Ryan Leaf

You make my point for me. And that is that Orton is as bad as a QB can possibly be and still hold a job. For now at least.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:10 am

You know what your problem is Bri....you don't know when to shut the fuck up.

I don't know if Grossman is any better than Orton.

You do remember typing that don't you?

You double up on the retarded pills today? Of course Smith would make that decision based on Grossman outperforming Orton.

Your basic premise is any QB is better than Orton....correct? Obviously at this point in time Lovie doesn't believe he has a QB who is better than Orton.....or he would be starting.

You come in here trying to make the case that the Bears could go further with an unknown who has less experience and who will make many of the same mistakes.

What I know is the Bears will win the NFC North with Orton. So why take a chance on losing the division to the Vikings with a guy who hasn't proved a thing?

Because according to Bsmack the bears could go further......except he's not sure Grossman is better?

WTF?

Instead of melting because I said Roethlisberger is fragile then going off on a tangent and putting your foot in your mouth.....maybe you should spend the night at the Holiday Inn Express.

BTW Roethlisberger is banged up in large part because he holds onto the ball too long. He needs to learn to get rid the ball quicker, if not he'll continue to take too many hits and have nagging injuries.

But then again you're not worried because Batch is on the bench.........

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:22 am

Dumbass wrote: but not even our undefeated Colts would have been looking good in that one yesterday.

Say what?

Sin,

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:36 am

Joe in PB wrote:You know what your problem is Bri....you don't know when to shut the fuck up.

No, my trouble is that I spend too much time arguing with half wit fucktards who wouldn't know a quarterback from their asshole. The Bears may well win their division with Orton. But that's as far as they will go. Meanwhile the guy they annointed their QB of the future is on the bench. If Orton were even up to Dilfer's level of incompetence, I would say keep him in. But this guy is making Bubby Brister look like Dan Fucking Marino.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:50 am

BSmack wrote:
Joe in PB wrote:You know what your problem is Bri....you don't know when to shut the fuck up.
No, my trouble is that I spend too much time arguing with half wit fucktards who wouldn't know a quarterback from their asshole. The Bears may well win their division with Orton. But that's as far as they will go. Meanwhile the guy they annointed their QB of the future is on the bench. If Orton were even up to Dilfer's level of incompetence, I would say keep him in. But this guy is making Bubby Brister look like Dan Fucking Marino.

Talking to yourself again Bri?

And what the fuck does that have top do with anything?

If Grossman hasn't beaten out Orton in practice he should start anyway because he was "annointed QB of the furture"?

Once again Lovie Smith would be starting Grossman if he felt good about him, and he might before it's all over. But I don't think he will, because Grossman hasn't proved a thing. Meanwhile Orton was behind the helm for the Bears eight game winning streak........say it again and think about it.

Bears eight game winning streak.

When was the last time the Bears had an eight game winning streak?

I'm done........continue kicking your own ass.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:02 pm

Joe in PB wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Joe in PB wrote:You know what your problem is Bri....you don't know when to shut the fuck up.
No, my trouble is that I spend too much time arguing with half wit fucktards who wouldn't know a quarterback from their asshole. The Bears may well win their division with Orton. But that's as far as they will go. Meanwhile the guy they annointed their QB of the future is on the bench. If Orton were even up to Dilfer's level of incompetence, I would say keep him in. But this guy is making Bubby Brister look like Dan Fucking Marino.
Talking to yourself again Bri?

And what the fuck does that have top do with anything?

If Grossman hasn't beaten out Orton in practice he should start anyway because he was "annointed QB of the furture"?

Once again Lovie Smith would be starting Grossman if he felt good about him, and he might before it's all over. But I don't think he will, because Grossman hasn't proved a thing. Meanwhile Orton was behind the helm for the Bears eight game winning streak........say it again and think about it.

Bears eight game winning streak.

When was the last time the Bears had an eight game winning streak?

I'm done........continue kicking your own ass.

You do not have a clue what you are talking about. Eight game win streak? Gone. The Bears got every lucky bounce of the ball. Their offense is anemic while the defense is lights out. Unfortunately, in this game you have to OUT-score the opponent not out defend. Tampa Bay clearly out-played them and had two miscues that won it for Chicago. I would love to play Chicago in the playoffs. Turn the heat up on Orton and watch that team implode. Grossman was injured. He is healing. He is obviously a better QB than Orton.

Not sure what Bears team you have been watching but they have been on borrowed time. Their season ends soon. Minnie is right on their heels and is playing better OVERALL. Bearfan needs to understand that even Dungy here in Tampa had a little offense, not much, but you need it. If the Bear sever fall behind(steelers) they have no chance in hell to play catch up with Orton at QB.

Bears are major pretenders.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:45 pm

Joe in PB wrote:When was the last time the Bears had an eight game winning streak?

Yea, and I'm sure Orton's 23.7 QB rating was what propelled them over the top against Green Bay. And that 137 yard 2 INT performance against New Orleans. Well that must have saved his job for another week. How about you unfuck yourself and head over to K Mart. I hear there's a sale on clues.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:31 pm

Ben is not fragile. The shot he took on his knee early this year would have taken most QBs out for the season. Against Cincy, he threw for over 300 with a broken thumb.

Clearly you haven't seen the kid play, if you contend he's fragile.

Charlie Batch is an adequate backup, when healthy. Maddox should retire today.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:55 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Ben is not fragile. The shot he took on his knee early this year would have taken most QBs out for the season. Against Cincy, he threw for over 300 with a broken thumb.

Clearly you haven't seen the kid play, if you contend he's fragile.

What do you call a guy who picks up injuries one after the other?

What do you call TN RB Chris Brown or Jax RB Fred Taylor?

The knee surgery Ben had was on his right knee. The hit he took in the Charger game was on his left knee. Now add a broken thumb.....

In reality I believe Roethlisberger is a 6'5 stud, but I also stated why I thought he was picking up the injuries.....like the upright runner Chris Brown he takes too many hits. Expect more of the same until he learns to get rid of the ball quicker and is smart enough to pick and choose his moments to push the envelope, which of course isn't every time he drops back to pass.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:59 pm

Ben has gotten the injury bug this year but lets wait a while before we lump him in w/ Fragile Fred Taylor.

Show Us Your Tits · Post by **Show Us Your Tits** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:36 pm

See? I TOLD you to put Grossman in there. I TOLD you

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:46 pm

Show Us Your Tits wrote:See? I TOLD you to put Grossman in there. I TOLD you

They're not much better with Grossman. But they are better.

God the NFC sucks.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:33 pm

BSmack wrote:
Show Us Your Tits wrote:See? I TOLD you to put Grossman in there. I TOLD you
They're not much better with Grossman. But they are better.

God the NFC sucks.

Grossman gave them a jolt of energy and led them down the field to that key touchdown. They lucked out on the interception-fumble play. I think Seattle, Carolina or any of the East teams could beat them but I like their chances better with Grossman at QB. And Orton still needs to shave...

The NFC is brutal though...I agree. I think the 7th place team in the AFC could contend in that conference. With the Packers and Eagles down this year, this is not a banner year for the NFC. The three or four best teams in the league are in the AFC right now...Colts, Patriots, Broncos, and Steelers. Plus, you can throw the Jaguars, Chiefs, and Chargers into the mix. All 7 teams could and would win the NFC.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:53 pm

The Chiefs?

Their defense sucks. they just got ran over by the Giants and you put them in the category?

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:21 am

BSmack wrote:
Show Us Your Tits wrote:See? I TOLD you to put Grossman in there. I TOLD you
They're not much better with Grossman. But they are better.

God the NFC sucks.

The NFC sucks but every division leader has double digit wins. Can the AFC say that?

The NFC sucks yet only 6 teams have a losing record against the AFC and half of those teams ae in The North.

It's hilarious how you continue to propose this misguided opinion. You have just as many teams fighting for Reggie, fool.