ND lands another big recruit...

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:12 am

ND just got a verbal from the #2 TE in the country. Konrad Reuland 6'6" 240 from Mission Viejo is now Irish. Wow, a huge get for Weis go come into PC's backyard and take one. Most SC fans (our friends in here excluded) will undoubetly say that whoever they have at TE is who they wanted in the first place and that Reuland doesn't want to compete, or he doesn't want to win NC's. Either way those homer assholes can't live with the fact that Weis came into their backyard, pissed in their pool and ate their BBQ. Reuland is a huge get for Weis. He can stretch the field, he's got decent speed, great height and is a monster. He needs to work on his blocking but with the possibility of Fasano coming back he can get in the weight room, get stronger and prepare for 3-4 years as a TE in a program that's going to be fighting for ND's over the next few years. ND also got a 6'6" TE from Rancho Bernardo who accepted a lacrosse scholarship. Now, if he accepts a scholarship for another sport I know he can play other sports, but is there a point where if he plays football they have to give him a scholarship?

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:08 am

I guess anytime anyone other than SuC lands a 5 star out of Cali, that IS news.... :(

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:20 am

if he practices with the football team, he has to be on a football scholarship. Congrats on Reuland, the kid is good. I dont know about pissing in the pool or eating BBQ but he is a kid USC went after. Pete cant keep all of them home.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:36 pm

Laxplayer wrote:He needs to work on his blocking but with the possibility of Fasano coming back he can get in the weight room, get stronger and prepare for 3-4 years as a TE in a program that's going to be fighting for ND's over the next few years.

I could be wrong about this, but I thought Fasano had no eligibility left. In any event, Carlson got a lot of playing time at TE this year, so there's no reason we'd have to start a true freshman at TE next year.

ND also got a 6'6" TE from Rancho Bernardo who accepted a lacrosse scholarship. Now, if he accepts a scholarship for another sport I know he can play other sports, but is there a point where if he plays football they have to give him a scholarship?

I'm not exactly sure about the NCAA rules re: scholarships. That having been said, as a non-revenue sport, lacrosse doesn't have a lot of scholarships available. If he's playing both football and lacrosse, I have a hunch that if he's on a lacrosse scholarship, at some point, White and/or the lacrosse coach will come to Weis and ask him to put the kid on a football scholarship.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:40 pm

Fasano has one year of eligibility left, but I doubt he uses it. He had major back surgery as a freshman and he wants to make his money in the NFL while he can. He's likely to be a low 2nd or high 3rd round pick. He can't do much more to change his draft status.

Reuland has been commited since around the USC game. This is huge for ND because it now allows Paddy Mullen to move to DT, which is a big thing considering ND is only recruiting two true DT's, Gerald McCoy and Butch Lewis, and by no means are they the favorite to land either player.

The way it was explained to me w/r/t Yeatman, is that he accepted a full lacrosse scholarship, but can practice with the football team as a walk-on in the fall. The minute he steps on the playing field, he becomes a football counter. What he's going to do is play lacrosse for one year and then come onto the football team and become a football counter. My guess is that when he starts counting for the football team, he will be around 290 lbs and then accept a football scholarship.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:20 pm

For the last couple of years USC pretty much closed the borders of California to anyone that wanted the elite talent. Good to see that changing.

I have a feeling Texas has now closed the borders at lease for next season.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:27 pm

Yeah sure.

Signed OK via '01-'04

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:36 pm

Actually the big difference is in 2K OU had just won a MNC and beat the crap out of Texas.

In 2K5 it is Texas that has beaten the crap out of OU and at lease playing for a MNC. This year Texas nailed every top defensive recruit in the state. They wiffed on the top QB, RBs and receiver but did pretty good at Oline and TE.

Texas is done for 2k6 but the early reports for 2k7 look damn good.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:42 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:Texas is done for 2k6 but the early reports for 2k7 look damn good.

Same for ND. Damn it feels good to have a coaching staff that knows how to recruit and can get results.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:44 pm

Yeah but recruiting doesn't get you anywhere without coaching. You guys have had a good year (in comparison to the last few, 8 years), combined with a ton of hype, but you haven't beaten anyone you weren't supposed to beat. The bowl game will be very telling for Weis and your future.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:57 pm

Sky wrote:Yeah but recruiting doesn't get you anywhere without coaching. You guys have had a good year (in comparison to the last few, 8 years), combined with a ton of hype, but you haven't beaten anyone you weren't supposed to beat. The bowl game will be very telling for Weis and your future.

Depends on how you look at it. Looking back on the season, sure, we didn't beat anyone we weren't supposed to and even lost to one we should have crushed. But if you look at the games at the time they were played, we beat Pitt, Michigan, and to an extent Purdue and Tennessee. At the time they were played, ND was either the underdog or a toss up favorite in those games.

Honestly, I don't think the bowl game will be telling for Weis or the future of ND. If they win, it won't effect recruiting momentum very much. If they lose, it won't effect recruiting momentum very much. This game will not swing the remaining two/three recruits much, if at all. And ND has already used the momentum generated by this season to start recruiting juniors. That was the difference with Willingham's first season and recruiting, when compared to this year. Willingham was slow to offer kids and was constantly working from behind when it came to recruiting. He used the momentum generated by the '02 season to have exactly 3 commitments going into the '03 season. My guess is that Weis will have anywhere from 10-15 highly ranked kids commited before ND kicks off against Ga Tech. That coupled with a few players who will be touted for major awards (Quinn - Heisman, Samardzija - Belitnikof, Zibikowski - Thorpe) and a schedule that is favorable to ND, ND should be in position for a great run next year, both on and off the field. That will do more for the program than this bowl game.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:58 pm

Sky wrote:Yeah but recruiting doesn't get you anywhere without coaching. You guys have had a good year (in comparison to the last few, 8 years), combined with a ton of hype, but you haven't beaten anyone you weren't supposed to beat. The bowl game will be very telling for Weis and your future.

You think we were supposed to go into the shoe at night and beat OSU?

No one else thought we should, I'm glad you had such faith in us.

If that be the case then I guess every year Texas is supposed to win every game. No wonder we are under-achievers.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:09 pm

Vito, I don't know what you are talking about. I have supported UT since they beat us and I will be pulling for you in the Granddaddy. My comment was for Killian regarding their highly touted rookie coach who hasn't proved that much IMO.

Killian, my point was not that the game will affect recruiting but tell us a little more about your coach. Sure he did good with the talent he had and took USC to the wire (so did FSU) but we will see how good a coach he really is during the Fiesta. For example, MSU should have never even gotten the game to OT, they should have been gone by the 3rd Qtr. That makes me question his coaching ability.

Thus, no matter how many recruits he gets, the inability to be a top tier coach will result in 9-3 or 10-2 seasons continually (not that that is a bad record, just not what every ND fan wants).

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:26 pm

Sky wrote:Vito, I don't know what you are talking about. I have supported UT since they beat us and I will be pulling for you in the Granddaddy. My comment was for Killian regarding their highly touted rookie coach who hasn't proved that much IMO.

Killian, my point was not that the game will affect recruiting but tell us a little more about your coach. Sure he did good with the talent he had and took USC to the wire (so did FSU) but we will see how good a coach he really is during the Fiesta. For example, MSU should have never even gotten the game to OT, they should have been gone by the 3rd Qtr. That makes me question his coaching ability.

Thus, no matter how many recruits he gets, the inability to be a top tier coach will result in 9-3 or 10-2 seasons continually (not that that is a bad record, just not what every ND fan wants).

I don't know if I'm reading this right, but you're saying that based on one year, and more specifically, one game, that Weis isn't a top teir coach? I think it's too early to make an assumption either way. And I don't think the bowl game will change that. Should Tressel have lost to South Carolina in his first bowl game? Should Cincinnati have taken the NC team to the wire the next year? No in both instances. But this doesn't have anything to do with Tressel as a coach. As far as the MSU game, I think it shows how good of a coach he is, considering the fact that he brought his team back from 21 down to send it into overtime.

To me, he's proven a ton as a head coach. He's pounded the teams he should have (with the exception of Stanford), he's beaten teams he shouldn't have (Michigan) and he took the best team in the nation to the final play of the game. To me, that shows a hell of a lot, especially coming from a first year head coach. Yeah he lost to MSU, but he got MSU before they went MSU on themselves. MSU usually saves that game for later in the year, and it happend to be against you guys.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:11 pm

Killian wrote:I don't know if I'm reading this right, but you're saying that based on one year, and more specifically, one game, that Weis isn't a top teir coach?

So I assume your objection here is that you can't judge a coach on one year? Well WTF is ND doing giving him a 10-yr extension. That's sure as hell treating him like THE best coach in CFB.

I think it's too early to make an assumption either way. And I don't think the bowl game will change that. Should Tressel have lost to South Carolina in his first bowl game? Should Cincinnati have taken the NC team to the wire the next year? No in both instances. But this doesn't have anything to do with Tressel as a coach.

Well I don't recall ever touting Tressel as a top tier coach back in '01 with or without the SC loss. Oh wait, I wasn't on this board then. But no, I didn't think JT was a top tier coach back then. I sure as hecked hoped he would work out and put my faith in him, but I wasn't ready to give him a 10-yr extension in '01 or '02. He won a NC but cut it about as close as you can and, as I recall, he got a 6-yr extension only after winning a NC. And today he is a great coach, but I don't think this pretty good season (9-2)deserves a huge contract extension. And don't pull any of that "We wanted to prevent other teams (NFL) from recruiting him" shit, a 5-yr deal works just as well.

As far as the MSU game, I think it shows how good of a coach he is, considering the fact that he brought his team back from 21 down to send it into overtime.

Yeah, like the Texas vs OkieSt game, right? I don't think that impressed anyone. Up to that point, MSU had beaten Kent and Hawaii, then they beat you and Illinois and finished the season 1-6. They weren't ever tested so saying they were good early on is just not true.

To me, he's proven a ton as a head coach.

So you are saying (based on one year) that is he a great head coach who deserves a 10-yr extension?

He's pounded the teams he should have (with the exception of Stanford), he's beaten teams he shouldn't have (Michigan) and he took the best team in the nation to the final play of the game. To me, that shows a hell of a lot, especially coming from a first year head coach. Yeah he lost to MSU, but he got MSU before they went MSU on themselves. MSU usually saves that game for later in the year, and it happend to be against you guys.

You made some good points but I think the bowl game will tell a lot. I look at UM and USC as rivalry type games for ND, where emotion plays a large part of the game and either team could win. You won one and you lost one. So 50-50 there, I think the jury should still be out on him. As much as the hype may have gotten you into the bowl, they hype has given Weiss his extension IMO.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:50 pm

If you really want to get into this, fine.

First off, it was not a 10 year extension. It was a 5 year extension on top of the 5 years he had left on his original contract. The extension, along with the original contract, has buy out provisions for both sides. Weis doesn't do well? Gone, and ND isn't responsible for the money at the end of the extension.

The extension was for two reasons. One, after that ass hat from NFL.com wrote the article about NFL teams putting out feelers to guage interest, recruits started to question how long Weis would be at ND. ND came up with the extension, showing recruits that ND was commited to Weis for the next 10 years. Two, said article brought attention to Weis's extreemly low buy-out figure if an NFL team were to hire him, something in the neighborhood of $1.5 million. This extension significantly upped that amount and effectively coverd ND's ass should Weis decided to take a pro job.

So back to your original question, is Weis a top teir coach. As I stated, I think it's too early to say one way or the other, but my personal opinion is yes, he is a top teir coach. Again, this is my opinion. But if you look at other coaches in CFB who are considered top teir (Stoops, Carroll, Tressel, etc.), Weis has done more in his first year than those coaches, all of whom had as good, if not much better, talent to work with. He has also gotten players with worlds of potential to finally play at their highest levels. To me, again, that's the sign of a top teir coach.

As far as the MSU game goes, if the same situation would have occured last season, this team would have rolled over and died. Weis took the game to overtime, and should have won in regulation. After the game, he blamed that loss soley on himself, even though it could be argued that he called a perfect game in the second half. And if they weren't any good, I guess they had no business kicking OSU's ass up and down the field until they went Sparty on themselves. Well I feel much better about the Fiesta Bowl, considering MSU shouldn't have been in either game but managed to beat ND and scare the shit out of OSU. Not to bad for a team that was no good.

Is the jury still out on him? Sure. But I think 10 of the 12 members have their minds made up, and it would take a total implosion next year, not in the bowl game, to change their minds.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:32 pm

OK, thanks for the explanation on Weis's contract, I didn't know all the in's and out's. That seems a little more reasonable.

Killian wrote:After the game, he blamed that loss soley on himself, even though it could be argued that he called a perfect game in the second half.

Yeah, that is the sign of a good coach--let me setup a solid gameplan for just one half of the next game, that will bode well.

And if they weren't any good, I guess they had no business kicking OSU's ass up and down the field until they went Sparty on themselves. Well I feel much better about the Fiesta Bowl, considering MSU shouldn't have been in either game but managed to beat ND and scare the shit out of OSU. Not to bad for a team that was no good.

What are you talking about, scared the shit out of us, I don't think so. They played a solid 23 minutes but by the end of the first half, we knew we had them. Their little botched FG and JLSmiths melt showed they didn't have the gusto to stick around.

Is the jury still out on him? Sure. But I think 10 of the 12 members have their minds made up, and it would take a total implosion next year, not in the bowl game, to change their minds.

Again, this is mostly ND hype with a little NE legacy sticking around. We will see how they fare in the bowl game but they still haven't beaten anyone they shouldn't have. Sure you will get some solid recruits because of your legacy and pretty good season this year, but I think any coaching ability speculation beyond that is immature at best.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:56 pm

Considering it was the defense, not the offense, that created the 21 point hole and Weis had to adjust his play calling accordingly, I think it was a tremendous coaching job.

Nice revisionist history. They played for a solid 23 minutes? Sparty melted in the final two minutes of the first half. Stanton scrambled on second down, still had time to get up there to spike it, and John L. went John L. which caused the FG fiasco. MSU potentially being up by more than a TD starting the second half, with the way they were moving the ball didn't scare you? Props. It showed that they were MSU, not that the didn't have the gusto to stick around. Everyone knows that MSU will implode at some point in the season.

So it's ND hype and his success at NE that makes him a good coach? It's not taking Quinn from a mediocre college QB to someone who finished 4th in the Heisman and is projected as a top 5 pick next year? It's not taking Maurice Stovall from a late round draft pick/free agent signing and turning him into someone who will go at the end of the first round, beginning of the second round? Or having his offense shatter most ever meaningful offensive record in his first year? Or by taking a team that was 11-13 the two previous years and having them at 9-2, and two plays away from being undefeated?

And to the haven't beaten anyone they shouldn't, hind sight is 50-50. There are at least 4 games on the schedule that you could argue as games ND shouldn't have won, if you consider the situations when they were played.

ND's ranking may be a result of their hype, but Weis's coaching accumen is not. That's a weak argument and you know it.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:17 pm

Killian wrote:Nice revisionist history. They played for a solid 23 minutes? Sparty melted in the final two minutes of the first half. Stanton scrambled on second down, still had time to get up there to spike it, and John L. went John L. which caused the FG fiasco. MSU potentially being up by more than a TD starting the second half, with the way they were moving the ball didn't scare you? Props. It showed that they were MSU, not that the didn't have the gusto to stick around. Everyone knows that MSU will implode at some point in the season.

Yeah, so why couldn't you get them to do it at your game. Not only did they not implode, they beat you at your house and celebrated at midfield. With Tressel, it is easy to be nervous but hard to be scared. He has pulled out so many wins that being down at half by 7, 10 or 13 isn't really that big a deal (UM victory as well). It may involve a few more beers but that is all.

So it's ND hype and his success at NE that makes him a good coach? It's not taking Quinn from a mediocre college QB to someone who finished 4th in the Heisman and is projected as a top 5 pick next year? It's not taking Maurice Stovall from a late round draft pick/free agent signing and turning him into someone who will go at the end of the first round, beginning of the second round? Or having his offense shatter most ever meaningful offensive record in his first year? Or by taking a team that was 11-13 the two previous years and having them at 9-2, and two plays away from being undefeated?

Wait a minute, you said it yourself, he has gotten players with worlds of potential to finally play at their highest levels. The potential was there, a coach brining it out does not make them a great coach. ND should get kids with tons of potential but it doesn't take a top tier coach to bring it out. It takes a solid coach who knows how to coach a football team. A top tier coach will take them farther, something along the lines of a NC.

And to the haven't beaten anyone they shouldn't, hind sight is 50-50. There are at least 4 games on the schedule that you could argue as games ND shouldn't have won, if you consider the situations when they were played.

ND's ranking may be a result of their hype, but Weis's coaching accumen is not. That's a weak argument and you know it.

Well I clump it all into the same basket. The media and network president's love ND. This all leads to more hype than is deserved. ND's administrators have shown their impulsiveness in the past and I think this is a similar case until proven otherwise.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:33 pm

Killian wrote:That coupled with a few players who will be touted for major awards (Quinn - Heisman, Samardzija - Belitnikof, Zibikowski - Thorpe) and a schedule that is favorable to ND, ND should be in position for a great run next year, both on and off the field. That will do more for the program than this bowl game.

Agreed that next season is more important to ND's program than this bowl game.

Having said that, however, the goal is to win national championships, and to do that, you have to win your bowl game. And maybe I'm just a tad biased in this regard, but I honestly think that this season put us into position, at least potentially, to contend for a national championship next year.

Rushing the timetable like that has, as its price, an attached importance to this game. The national media, not to mention the ND haytas on this board, like to harp on the length of time that has elapsed since ND last won a bowl game. I'm looking at the bowl game as the final monkey on our backs -- win it, and we're in really good shape next year.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:34 pm

Sky wrote:Wait a minute, you said it yourself, he has gotten players with worlds of potential to finally play at their highest levels. The potential was there, a coach brining it out does not make them a great coach. ND should get kids with tons of potential but it doesn't take a top tier coach to bring it out. It takes a solid coach who knows how to coach a football team. A top tier coach will take them farther, something along the lines of a NC.

Arguing this point is semantics because you nor I know how far along Weis has brought any of these kids. He could have developed them to their full potential or he could have taken them past. In Stovall's case, I would say the former, Quinn the latter. And ND should get kids with great potential, but they rarely did under Willingham (besides the Quinn class). Weis is recruiting very well, as you can see by the original point of this thread. In one year he has taken players comprised of 2 good recruiting classes, and 2 poor classes, and has them two plays away from matching up against Texas in the Rose Bowl. In my opinion, that right there shows that he is a top teir coach.

We can argue these points until we are both blue in the face. You want to see more, I've seen all I need to see. I have none of the questions that I did with Willingham or Davie.

As far as MSU, we didn't get them to do that in our game because our defense played like shit, and they typically go into full Spartan meltdown after about 5 games. Sometimes more, sometimes less. So you may not have been scared, but there was still no excuse to let that team be in the game, as you said.

And you can't dump that all into one basket. ND's ranking and Weis's coaching ability are two seperate issues. Again, their ranking may be overrated, but you'd be hard pressed to argue that Weis's ability is overrated also.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:34 pm

I was wondering when you were going to get in here TiC

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:38 pm

Sky wrote:Yeah, so why couldn't you get them to do it at your game. Not only did they not implode, they beat you at your house and celebrated at midfield.

They did implode at our house. They gave up a 17-point lead, remember? And they needed OT to pull out the win.

We suck in overtime. I'll look up our all-time OT record sometime, but off the top of my head, 2-6 sounds about right.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:42 pm

Well, the NE debacle of 2005 is proof that he took a lot with him, I will give you that. Still, like you said, we could go round and round. You made some good points and the next few years will be interesting.

TiC, guess you missed all the fun or mind-numbing garbage.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:52 am

USC was never able to close off the border, Kyle Wright got out of California after USC went after him pretty hard, marlon Lucky got out as well, Desean Jackson stayed in Cal but left from under USCs nose and went to Cal.
The fact is that California produces too many good players for them to all go to USC or even stay in state and play for the 6 other d1 schools. Same goes for Texas and Florida. Id like to see the NCAA amend title ix to have out of state scholarships count more towards the total allotment, especially in public schools where out of state students pay more than in state ones do, but that wouldnt change anything with ND.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:11 am

Nor would the out of state thing change with SC because private schools charge the same amount in state or out of state. what sense does it make to have out of state scholarships count more? How would a school like ND compete? Football in Indiana isn't as good as Cali, Tex, Fla, Ohio, Penn etc....so what kind of sense would that make? Not to mention that Cali has more schools, more talent and more kids to draw from, along with those states that are much bigger. Bad idea.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:45 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:USC was never able to close off the border, Kyle Wright got out of California after USC went after him pretty hard, marlon Lucky got out as well, Desean Jackson stayed in Cal but left from under USCs nose and went to Cal.
The fact is that California produces too many good players for them to all go to USC or even stay in state and play for the 6 other d1 schools. Same goes for Texas and Florida. Id like to see the NCAA amend title ix to have out of state scholarships count more towards the total allotment, especially in public schools where out of state students pay more than in state ones do, but that wouldnt change anything with ND.

Somehow I doubt you'd be saying that if you were a fan of Neb, OU, Iowa, etc and didn't have a big in-state population to work from. While even our best teams at Neb had a fair amount of local talent we just don't have enough people in Nebraska to field a power without a considerable amount of out-of-state talent. It is hard enough to win in a lower-populated state without being punished for importing players.

PS. Notre Dame can't get the top recruits

Signed,
Lou Holtz

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:31 am

Sky wrote:Vito, I don't know what you are talking about. I have supported UT since they beat us and I will be pulling for you in the Granddaddy. My comment was for Killian regarding their highly touted rookie coach who hasn't proved that much IMO.

My apology, I read your quote after I posted mine and it sounded like you were talking to me.

It has been an odd year for OU recruiting-OU has kinda decided that this class is all about OL and has backed off on a lot of guys on the defensive side of the ball (such as Perrish Cox.)

I agree I have found it strange that OU has not recruited more in Texas, yes you have pulled a couple of good ones especially WR but nothing like you have in the past. This year OU seems to be going more National.

SoCalTrjn wrote: USC was never able to close off the border, Kyle Wright got out of California after USC went after him pretty hard, marlon Lucky got out as well, Desean Jackson stayed in Cal but left from under USCs nose and went to Cal.
The fact is that California produces too many good players for them to all go to USC or even stay in state and play for the 6 other d1 schools. Same goes for Texas and Florida. Id like to see the NCAA amend title ix to have out of state scholarships count more towards the total allotment, especially in public schools where out of state students pay more than in state ones do, but that wouldnt change anything with ND.

If I remember correctly Kyle Wright left California after USC got Booty :D
And I didn't say you completely closed off the boarder no team can do that in a state that produces 300+ D-1A football players each year but over the last couple of years USC has pretty much nailed every recruit they wanted in California. Lots of elite kids are leaving Texas this year but Texas has pretty much won every recruiting for Kids in Texas except for a couple (Matt Stafford, and Moody to name a couple).

The key to "closing the boarders" is that the coaching staff wins all the battles for all the in-state talent they go after. Texas has done a heck of a job this year doing that just as USC has done over the last 2 or 3 years.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:53 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:The NE debacle? I don't pay a lot of attention to the NFL, but I was relatively sure the Pats won the East again.

8-5 with a crappy schedule in a crap division with 294 PF and 289 PA...yeah that streak just keeps going, huh.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:44 pm

Yeah, but do you think NE has a chance to repeat this year?

Between losing players to injuries and losing Weis, I would say they are lucky to be in such a crap division. Wouldn't we all love to play NYJ, Buff and Miami over and over

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:48 pm

Sky wrote:Yeah, but do you think NE has a chance to repeat this year?

IIRC, since the NFL went to the 12-team playoff format beginning in the 1990 season, teams earning a bye in the first round are something like 44-16 in the divisional round. The Pats are gonna need an awful lot of help to get a first-round bye, they may have even been mathematically eliminated by now for a first-round bye.

I'd say a three-peat is extremely unlikely under the circumstances.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:45 pm

They will not get a bye via their record and loss to Denver (even if the Pats win out and Denver and Cincy lose out, they would be tied with Denver).

[web]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2255786[/web]

Seeing as they will be lucky to get one home game in the playoffs, I think they really miss Weis. (Just had to add that in there so Frisco doesn't move this to the NFL thread.)

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:29 pm

Wright and Booty werent in the same class, Wright was a senior in HS that year while Booty was still a junior. Booty left HS a year early after his dad was let go at Evangel...Wright graduated midway through his senior year and enrolled at Miami before the National Signing Day.

Schools that have higher female enrollments than male are hurt by title ix, laws like title ix dont care about circumstance.

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