Raiders/Browns (RAIDERFan should Participate?)

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:39 am

There ya are Q.

Collins is back at QB.

Raiders lose 20-14. :cry:

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:34 am

for some reason TAJT, i don't really remember the BROWNS EVER winning v. Oakland....especially in Oakland.

i'm 39...and i'm not about to look things UP for this EPIC Battle!

The RAIDERS will have all of their PRE-Season MVP OFFENSIVE Weapons INTACT for this Game.

the BROWNS give up TONS of yardage between the 20's. The RAIDERS will go UP and Down the FIELD ALL DAY!

in the Red Zone...how can the BROWNS match-UP?

really?

The BROWNS are 4 and whatever for a reason...the Raiders are 4 and whatever because they have underachieved bIg TIME.

WHY RaiderFANs????

WHY should you NOT get over on the BROWNS this week?

~Rookie QB
~Receivers can't CATCH
~Shitty OLine
~D gives up the Booty...and has gotten away with it most of the time

i'm NOT Trolling you guys.

Shit, i figured that we'd trade favorite 80's Metal Band music (s'up Toos!)....war stories'bout TiTS...PITTSBURGH SUCKS chants....and best way to do a 'beer-can' Chicken...all week.

no WAY the BROWNS should WIN this one!

NONE!

wait?

general disaray is not played out on paper...is it?

that means that i have to actually watch this?

BROWNS lost to the fucking TEXANS; and the RAIDERS lost to the fucking JETS?

key to the game: BROWNS OC Mo' Carthon needs to call a GOOD Game for a change!

CHRIST...if Droughns is effective in the 1st Qtr....ummm....conitnue to USE Him in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

if you complete 1 or 2 passes DOWNFIELD....maybe call those plays again in the 2nd and 3rd quarter? instead of waiting until you fall behind again---->(you Simple Bastard!)

Raiders D-Line Play will be the Key for you.

Pressure the Rookie...period.

Kerry Collins? (he's overdue....yes?)

on paper

RAIDERS 38
BROWNS 9

on the field

who fucking knows.

BROWNS 20
RAIDERS 14

just like you said TAJT!

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:20 pm

The last time the Browns beat the Raiders on the road, they were in L.A. Eric Metcalf scored on the last play of the game on a toss sweep, IIRC.

Agree with Q, the Raiders will move up and down the field between the 20s. Collins may be shit, but he's seasoned enough to stand in the pocket and work through his progressions against an average D that has zero pass rush. Not good.

The Browns will have to jump on them early and make the Raiders quit. Otherwise, a rookie QB on the road, playing from behind, won't get it done.

Raiders - 31
Browns - 20

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:40 pm

25,000 people show up to watch the Raiders win 9-3.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:03 am

The only time I've been as disgusted with the Raider organization as I am right now was at the tail end Joe Bugel's 4-12 '97 season.

He got shitcanned, Wonderboy came in, and Oakland took off on a steady 5 yr upswing.

So ok, Norv will get shown the door and a 'bright' coach will come in and Oakland will be in the '11 Super Bowl.

Sounds like a plan.

Hope I'm still alive to see it.

Oh, this game...?

Oakland romps behind the inspired play of Carrie Collins.

Remember, it is HIS team.

Raiders - 32
Brownies - 19

joe6pac · Post by **joe6pac** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:41 pm

Who cares

Cle & Oak 12
Fans 0

Raider Loco · Post by **Raider Loco** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:10 pm

It's going to be a disgusting mess out there today but I doubt the weather is going to affect any of the crappy teams playing in Oakland.

Raiders 20
Browns 17

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:11 pm

Oakland, CA (94621)
Updated Dec 18 08:00 a.m. PT

54°F

Light Rain Feels Like: 54°F

UV Index: 0 Low

Wind: From the Southeast at 12 mph

Dew Point: 52°F

Humidity: 93%

Visibility: 5.0 miles

Pressure: 29.93 inches and rising

Ugh..run the ball Norv,just forget about throwing the ball. Just run.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:47 pm

TAJT

i saw your post in the "next Raiders Coach Thread"; and wanted you to see this, in case you missed it:

Qbert wrote: (above)
key to the game: BROWNS OC Mo' Carthon needs to call a GOOD Game for a change!

CHRIST...if Droughns is effective in the 1st Qtr....ummm....conitnue to USE Him in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

if you complete 1 or 2 passes DOWNFIELD....maybe call those plays again in the 2nd and 3rd quarter? instead of waiting until you fall behind again---->(you Simple Bastard!)

:wink:

not too sure what the weather will do to effect these 2 Offensive Juggernauts today.

i would imagine that Jordan will go for about 170yds. between the 20's and then 4 redzone TO's occur!

prediction change:

BROWNS 9
Raiders 6

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:38 pm

Qbert wrote:TAJT

i saw your post in the "next Raiders Coach Thread"; and wanted you to see this, in case you missed it:

Qbert wrote: (above)
key to the game: BROWNS OC Mo' Carthon needs to call a GOOD Game for a change!

CHRIST...if Droughns is effective in the 1st Qtr....ummm....conitnue to USE Him in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

if you complete 1 or 2 passes DOWNFIELD....maybe call those plays again in the 2nd and 3rd quarter? instead of waiting until you fall behind again---->(you Simple Bastard!)
:wink:

not too sure what the weather will do to effect these 2 Offensive Juggernauts today.

i would imagine that Jordan will go for about 170yds. between the 20's and then 4 redzone TO's occur!

prediction change:

BROWNS 9
Raiders 6

oops!

My bad.

anyhow so far the game is what I expected. Lots of running very little action.

Raider Loco · Post by **Raider Loco** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:09 am

Qbert wrote:TAJT

i saw your post in the "next Raiders Coach Thread"; and wanted you to see this, in case you missed it:

Qbert wrote: (above)
key to the game: BROWNS OC Mo' Carthon needs to call a GOOD Game for a change!

CHRIST...if Droughns is effective in the 1st Qtr....ummm....conitnue to USE Him in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

if you complete 1 or 2 passes DOWNFIELD....maybe call those plays again in the 2nd and 3rd quarter? instead of waiting until you fall behind again---->(you Simple Bastard!)
:wink:

not too sure what the weather will do to effect these 2 Offensive Juggernauts today.

i would imagine that Jordan will go for about 170yds. between the 20's and then 4 redzone TO's occur!

prediction change:

BROWNS 9
Raiders 6

Fucking scary!

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:14 am

Oakland may not be the worst team in the league, but they are certainly on the short list of contenders for that honor.

What they undoubtalby ARE, however, is the most pathetic team in the league.

You've got the biggest long ball threat the league has possibly EVER seen on your squad, and in back to back weeks v. the J E T S and Brownstains your QBs can muster 124 yds and 10 pts, and 132 yds and 7 pts.

Bwahahahahahaha

Norv has GOT to be the biggest fucking joke of a coach in league history.

Not to mention what Al is for hiring the piece of shit loser.

For the first time in my 35 yrs of Raiduh fandom I am sincerely embarrassed to say I am a fan.

Off this shit organization.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:40 am

I predict we got blown out the next 2 games. Pathetic.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:42 am

poptart wrote: For the first time in my 35 yrs of Raiduh fandom I am sincerely embarrassed to say I am a fan.

Off this shit organization.

More sig material for those who get off on that sort of thing.

I stand corrected, 'tart. I thought Ray-duh nation had reached rock bottom last week.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:18 am

http://www.49erswebzone.com/cgi-bin/new ... y&num=4157

An offer he shouldn't refuse
Steve Young would buy team, keep patriarch
By LOWELL COHN
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

Al Davis has refused to adapt to the modern age of football. He is a relic, the strong man who runs a franchise like a dictator, and because of this he's ruined the Raiders. He needs someone to save him from himself.

Steve Young and Brent Jones want to do that. They have offered to buy part of the Oakland Raiders.

According to well-placed sources, this happened within the last six months.

Young and Jones were willing to give Al Davis a fantastic deal. In exchange for a big chunk of the ownership, they would let Davis run the football side of the operation.

Young and Jones also pledged to raise private money for a new stadium, not necessarily in Oakland. They would find the best location in the Bay Area and put up a state-of-the-art structure.

This would be quite an improvement over the Oakland Coliseum, one of the biggest dumps in the National Football League.

As you can see, nothing has happened so far. When asked if Young and Jones had extended this offer, Davis, speaking through a Raiders public-relations person, said: "It's ridiculous. The Raiders are not for sale under any circumstances. You or they must have come up with this while playing Monopoly."

Well, wait a minute. In the first place, Davis didn't answer the question. I asked if an offer had been extended, and he said the Raiders are not for sale. That's called bluffing. Believe me, an offer was extended.

He also said Young, Jones and I must have been playing Monopoly. So let's follow the Monopoly analogy. Davis currently has one of the worst franchises in the NFL, which can't sell out most of its home games.

On the Monopoly board, he'd have a loser property like Baltic that no one wants to buy. Young and Jones are willing to give him Boardwalk. And not just Boardwalk on its own. They'll fill it with hotels, so every time someone comes around Davis' side of the board they'll have to pay big rent.

You get the idea.

But according to Al's statement, he wants to wallow at Baltic when he could live like the other half - the Cowboys, Eagles, etc. So I ask you. What's better, to have total control of Baltic or partial control of Boardwalk?

Should Al accept this offer? Of course he should. It's a no-brainer. He doesn't even deserve this offer. Young and Jones would allow him to run the football operation, an operation he's made a mess of. But they would overlook that to gain part of the franchise.

This is a sensitive issue with Davis because it involves health and old age and death.

He is in a tough position in life - as we all will be some day - so have some compassion for him. He is not well, uses a walker. He's 76. All the quick fixes he's tried - getting Warren Sapp, Randy Moss, Kerry Collins, you name them - are because he's running out of time and he knows it.

He wants to burnish his legacy, win another Super Bowl or two before he quits or dies. He is a desperate man taking desperate measures. And you can understand why.

He also wants to control the Raiders. They are his life's work. Whenever you see Davis - even away from the Coliseum - he wears a Raiders leisure suit, silver and black, the pirate head, the works. He is the Raiders.

The team is his identity and these days he's probably having an identity crisis, and that must hurt like hell. From his point of view, losing total control of the Raiders would feel like a form of death. Instead of running a franchise, he would just be an old man with a walker.

So he would not want to share with Young and Jones, two former 49ers, and you can understand why. But he should. No one else would make Davis an offer like this. No one else would go into partnership with him. He is perceived as difficult, maybe even poison, and these two are willing to take a chance.

People around the league believe Al has not formed an exit plan, has not worked out what happens to his team after he's gone. Team exec Amy Trask could run the business side, but what happens to the football operation? Young and Jones will allow Al to project a future for his team, a direction after he is gone.

This is a kindness, and it makes sense. Think about it. If Al really has no succession plan, the league might eventually take over the team. That is unthinkable. From Al's point of view, it would be a defilement. Young and Jones are giving him an alternative.

And they are giving him something else - a way to defeat the 49ers. This should matter to Al, who's competed unsuccessfully with the Niners for Bay Area dominance.

Only one team will get a new stadium. The idea of two new stadiums funded with private money is a fantasy. Whoever gets the new stadium is the winner, and the other team is shackled with an old place and declining equity and a dwindling fan base.

One team wins. One team loses. The league understands how bad things are and is worried about the state of football in the Bay Area, as it should be.

Well, Young and Jones are willing to make the Raiders the winner. They will transform the Raiders into THE Bay Area team as the Niners dither and wander in confusion. They will do this because the 49ers aren't for sale, and Young and Jones want to save football for Northern California.

And Al still can run the football side of the Raiders. This offer is generous, maybe even foolish. Al needs to say yes. He needs to say yes today. He doesn't want to die at Baltic when he could go out in style on Boardwalk.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:28 am

Please make room on the shower rod for me , especially after reading that .

Raiderfan thinks they have it bad ?

Fukk me if Jones and Young buy the Raiders . I might just go and find York and kil .........

Oops , maybe the NSA might be reading this

John York sucks Horse shit .

I fukkin' hate him and his fukkin' cheap fukkin' wife , who really calls the financial shots .

BTW , the Webzone posters are the epitome of " Whiner " fans . I gave up on them .