Shame on Michigan Fan

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:54 pm

Your returning 4,000+ Alamo tickets to the Bowl?

World Harold wrote:Published Tuesday
December 13, 2005

Mixed feelings in Michigan

BY RICH KAIPUST

WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER

ANN ARBOR, Mich. - Supporters of the Maize and Blue had reason to be sour.

Their Michigan football team had finished a disappointing 7-4. Lost to hated rival Ohio State. Settled for an invitation to a bowl game played before Jan. 1.

But seeing "Michigan vs. Nebraska" on their Alamo Bowl ticket or TV listings might save Wolverine fans from a bad case of indifference over the next two weeks.

"I think that really is the element that has made it a bigger deal," said Jerry Sigler, senior vice president of the UM alumni association. "I think that matchup in any bowl game, or on any Saturday, is really such an attraction that it really does have people excited."

As a half-foot of snow blankets the Michigan campus, the Wolverine faithful struggle with what to think about the school's 31st consecutive bowl appearance - which became the NCAA's longest active streak when Nebraska's 35-year run ended in 2004.

The Alamo Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl. It's even a step below the Outback Bowl in Tampa, Fla., where Michigan thought it was headed until the Jan. 2 game's brass called an audible and took Iowa, a team the Wolverines beat 23-20 in Iowa City.

While Nebraska already has sold its 10,000 Alamo Bowl tickets and requested more, Michigan will return some of its allotment.

"I don't know how excited people are," said Jayson Cross, a UM student from Ypsilanti, Mich. "It is Nebraska, but it's not like it's Michigan-Ohio State for the Big Ten (championship)."

Beyond that perceived snub and disappointment, however, is the realization that Nebraska-Michigan is something rare, if not special. The schools have played just five times, and the only meeting in four decades came in the Fiesta Bowl after the 1985 season.

"People actually do care about the matchup," Sigler said. "A few years ago when we played Florida in the Outback Bowl, there was a lot of excitement about playing a big-name football power that we normally don't play, and I do sense that about Nebraska.

"It's kind of shifted from, 'We're not going to the Outback Bowl,' to, 'We're playing Nebraska.'"

The Dec. 28 Alamo Bowl looks pretty good to Nebraska. The Huskers are two years into a program facelift, and just four weeks ago, they were 5-4 and talking Champs Sports or Houston Bowl.

Not so for Michigan. The Wolverines are ranked No. 20 after starting the season No. 4, and their four losses came by a combined 17 points. For the first time since the 1995 season, they won't be playing their bowl game on Jan. 1.

Other than the Dec. 4 bowl announcement, there hasn't been much UM football talk since the 25-21 loss to Ohio State on Nov. 19. Things are pretty quiet around Schembechler Hall, where the Wolverines are just now getting back to practice as head coach Lloyd Carr and his staff return from recruiting trips.

Michigan's recent bowl opponents have been Texas, Southern Cal, Florida and Tennessee, and senior defensive tackle Patrick Massey said Wolverine veterans should savor playing another big-name opponent.

"I'm not sure what the media is saying," Massey said. "But the people I'm around - the people in this building, friends, the people in my family - everyone's excited about this."

Sigler called the 1986 Fiesta Bowl between Michigan and NU "probably the most popular non-Rose Bowl game that we've played in 20 years." But the Wolverines were 9-1-1 and the Huskers were 9-2 going into that game, which Michigan won 27-23, and both were Top 10 teams.

Gordon Loll, owner of The Arena restaurant and bar just off campus, said fans might forget that the 2005 teams are both 7-4 when the game finally comes around.

"It's still a bowl game, Nebraska does have excellent tradition also, and it's Big Ten vs. Big 12," Loll said. "We're used to perfection up here, and anything less than a championship season doesn't seem like what we're striving for, but I'm sure this place will still be packed for it."

Sigler estimated that 5,000 to 6,000 Wolverine fans will head to San Antonio from Michigan and the Midwest. The school has 9,500 alumni in Texas, where UM hasn't played since the 1995 Alamo Bowl.

If nothing else, Sigler said, fans can remember the controversy of 1997, when the programs split the national championship but never got a chance to play.

"I remember seeing this T-shirt that was developed immediately after that, with the Michigan and Nebraska logos that said, 'Anytime. Anywhere,'" Sigler said. "I had somebody last week reference the fact that she was looking forward to wearing that T-shirt down in San Antonio."

Pathetic. What does michigan fan have to say about this? Are you not embarressed or ashamed. Your not Louisville or Iowa State, the college foootball world expects more out of you than that.

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:02 pm

actually thats right in line with michigan fan..

move along, nothing to see here..

-OSUFan

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:07 pm

So when Michigan fan defends their fanbase against the claims of "fair weather"...well, here's proof that there's at least 4,000 of them.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:12 pm

Who gives a shit? Some teams are used to playing in bigger bowls and the fans get disappointed in their team a little bit, plus tix arent cheap and why waste the money on a lesser bowl game when you can spend the money on extra gifts for xmas? Nebraska didnt go to a bowl last year and they are excited.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:14 pm

I have an excuse for not going because of my anti-bowl games/BCS stance and I don't live in Texas...my sister's in Houston though. It would've been a nice one-two punch in San Antonio with Michigan and the Lions playing a few days apart at the Alamodome but the Lions aren't worth driving the 2 hours to Detroit anymore...let alone jumping on a bird to catch them in Texas. I can't explain why MichiganFan isn't going to the game...flame away at us, I guess.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:17 pm

Cicero wrote:Who gives a shit?

How about the players, and the seniors, who played their asses off for their "fans" this season? Yeah, Michigan has 4 losses, but all of them could've been wins just as easily. The fans are disappointed in their team. Well, the players should be disappointed in the fans.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:38 pm

Cicero wrote:Who gives a shit? Some teams are used to playing in bigger bowls and the fans get disappointed in their team a little bit, plus tix arent cheap and why waste the money on a lesser bowl game when you can spend the money on extra gifts for xmas? Nebraska didnt go to a bowl last year and they are excited.

You think the Holiday Bowl is overly exciting for Sooner fan? Do you know how difficult it has been to get tix to the game?

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:23 pm

Cicero wrote:Who gives a shit? Some teams are used to playing in bigger bowls and the fans get disappointed in their team a little bit, plus tix arent cheap and why waste the money on a lesser bowl game when you can spend the money on extra gifts for xmas? Nebraska didnt go to a bowl last year and they are excited.

Nebraska fan could care less if it was the Rose Bowl or Houston Bowl, they'd show and show in mass numbers.
Not going to a bowl game last year matters one bit.

NU fan would watch 2 tards dressed in Scarlet and Cream battle anybody else's tards for the last cupcake on the short bus treat tray.
And pay good money to do so.
Known fact.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:26 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Cicero wrote:Who gives a shit?
How about the players, and the seniors, who played their asses off for their "fans" this season? Yeah, Michigan has 4 losses, but all of them could've been wins just as easily. The fans are disappointed in their team. Well, the players should be disappointed in the fans.

Won't pretend to speak for Mich. fan but I will speak for FSU fan.- How about average working guy with kids. Know what it costs for a pair of season tickets? Why do you charge us hundreds of dollars for the right to purchase season tickets and call it a mandatory boosters contribution? Any Idea how much I spend on an all day babysitter for 3 kids? Parking? concessions?

No way in hell would I spend jack during the holidays to go to a lesser tier bowl. Hell I would'nt even make the roadie to the orange bowl if some one gave me tics. FSU should'nt be there and neither should I.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:35 pm

Nolesy wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Cicero wrote:Who gives a shit?
How about the players, and the seniors, who played their asses off for their "fans" this season? Yeah, Michigan has 4 losses, but all of them could've been wins just as easily. The fans are disappointed in their team. Well, the players should be disappointed in the fans.

Won't pretend to speak for Mich. fan but I will speak for FSU fan.- How about average working guy with kids. Know what it costs for a pair of season tickets? Why do you charge us hundreds of dollars for the right to purchase season tickets and call it a mandatory boosters contribution? Any Idea how much I spend on an all day babysitter for 3 kids? Parking? concessions?

No way in hell would I spend jack during the holidays to go to a lesser tier bowl. Hell I would'nt even make the roadie to the orange bowl if some one gave me tics. FSU should'nt be there and neither should I.

And there in lies why no one considers FSU a good or even decent traveling team. What Cornhusker said applies to many other teams to include but not limited to Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, and LSU just to name a few right off the top of my head. You want to be treated like big boys act like them. I would assume that we live in the same state based on your screen name; do you know what the difference in avergae incomes between the state of Oklahoma and Florida is? About $10,000 in Florida's favor and your telling me that a bunch of Okies can out spend you each and every year in football or that it is any more affordable to them than it is to you? Did you attend FSU and get a degree? If so you should be able to afford it if it is a priority of yours. If your just some high school drop out who walks around in a arrowhead cap representing FSU I might be able to buy you load of shit you just tried to shovel down our throats if not then all your doing is making excuses and showing us why Florida State is still not perceived in the same manner that the aforementioned Universities and their alumni are.

Then again my this is why I called out Michigan fan and not FSU fan because I expect more out of them than most, comparativly, johnny come lately program. I expect this sort of reaction from from teams like FSU.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:53 pm

Cornhusker wrote:NU fan would watch 2 tards dressed in Scarlet and Cream battle anybody else's tards for the last cupcake on the short bus treat tray.
And pay good money to do so.
Known fact.

That's gotta be sig material somehow. Not sure it's something Cornhusker fan should be proud of, though.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:54 pm

Of course Corn fan is going to turn out for whatever bowl game the Corn gets invited to.

What's the fucking alternative?

Last time I looked, Nebraska has no NFL, NBA, or NHL franchises for their inbred simpletons to attend.

It's either go to the bowl game, or sit at home and watch the Polka Joe Show and dream about custom tractors with stereophonic sound coming out of the wheels

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:01 pm

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Let me salt that" load of shit I just tried to shovel down your throat".

This is not a study in state income demographics but a matter of personel choice. Attending FSU games is a priority to both my wife and I, has been a for years. The fact that we send all 3 of our kids to private school and drive 100 per day to do so puts a hurt on the disolsable income. with the tuition, cost of gas, ect. this runs us well over 1,300 per month. To fit FSU season tics. and the associated costs into the budjet makes it a prioroity for us and leaves us with the decision to do with out other things for ourselves. My Wife does'nt work as she has taken care of her mother full time for the past few years. So you can take your generalizations and broad brush strokes and shove them up you sooner ass.

My issue with boycotting Bowl game this year comes from the FSU coaching staff making huge jack and giving us an inferior product. Hell BB makes 2mill. per and all we seem to get as fans anymore are lame ass excuses mixed in with gosh darn its and by gollies.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:03 pm

Nolesy wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Let me salt that" load of shit I just tried to shovel down your throat".

This is not a study in state income demographics but a matter of personel choice. Attending FSU games is a priority to both my wife and I, has been a for years. The fact that we send all 3 of our kids to private school and drive 100 per day to do so puts a hurt on the disolsable income. with the tuition, cost of gas, ect. this runs us well over 1,300 per month. To fit FSU season tics. and the associated costs into the budjet makes it a prioroity for us and leaves us with the decision to do with out other things for ourselves. My Wife does'nt work as she has taken care of her mother full time for the past few years. So you can take your generalizations and broad brush strokes and shove them up you sooner ass.

My issue with boycotting Bowl game this year comes from the FSU coaching staff making huge jack and giving us an inferior product. Hell BB makes 2mill. per and all we seem to get as fans anymore are lame ass excuses mixed in with gosh darn its and by gollies.

You think my father didn't do the same for me and my sisters or that I won't for my children? You think that I don't pay the same price for gas as you do? I have to travel over a 1,000 miles to attend a home game. Oklahoma has played a game within a days drive of my home only twice in the last decade.

Our Bowl game is on the other side of the frigging continent.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:28 pm

That's why Iowa was selected over Michigan for the Outback even though they beat us in our crib and had the same record. If you're a true fan, it shouldn't matter what bowl your team goes to. I've been saying for years that Michigan fans are mostly just a bunch of bandwagon fans.

We're bringing 30,000 strong down to Tampa yet again. Iowa, Oklahoma, and Ohio State are the 3 best traveling fan bases. I'd consider Notre Dame one of them too, but they don't have a real fan base. Just a bunch of bandwagon fans.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:46 pm

TheJON wrote:That's why Iowa was selected over Michigan for the Outback even though they beat us in our crib and had the same record. If you're a true fan, it shouldn't matter what bowl your team goes to. I've been saying for years that Michigan fans are mostly just a bunch of bandwagon fans.

We're bringing 30,000 strong down to Tampa yet again. Iowa, Oklahoma, and Ohio State are the 3 best traveling fan bases. I'd consider Notre Dame one of them too, but they don't have a real fan base. Just a bunch of bandwagon fans.

Heh. Right. Look at every bowl game they have ever been in. ND always travels well.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:54 pm

Killian wrote:
TheJON wrote:That's why Iowa was selected over Michigan for the Outback even though they beat us in our crib and had the same record. If you're a true fan, it shouldn't matter what bowl your team goes to. I've been saying for years that Michigan fans are mostly just a bunch of bandwagon fans.

We're bringing 30,000 strong down to Tampa yet again. Iowa, Oklahoma, and Ohio State are the 3 best traveling fan bases. I'd consider Notre Dame one of them too, but they don't have a real fan base. Just a bunch of bandwagon fans.
Heh. Right. Look at every bowl game they have ever been in. ND always travels well.

I wouldn't exactly call what Notre Dame does as travelling. There are a number of catholics in almost every major metro area that follow Notre Dame. That isn't a knock they have built a fan base and use it properly.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:06 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote:
Killian wrote:
TheJON wrote:That's why Iowa was selected over Michigan for the Outback even though they beat us in our crib and had the same record. If you're a true fan, it shouldn't matter what bowl your team goes to. I've been saying for years that Michigan fans are mostly just a bunch of bandwagon fans.

We're bringing 30,000 strong down to Tampa yet again. Iowa, Oklahoma, and Ohio State are the 3 best traveling fan bases. I'd consider Notre Dame one of them too, but they don't have a real fan base. Just a bunch of bandwagon fans.
Heh. Right. Look at every bowl game they have ever been in. ND always travels well.
I wouldn't exactly call what Notre Dame does as travelling. There are a number of catholics in almost every major metro area that follow Notre Dame. That isn't a knock they have built a fan base and use it properly.

While there are a huge number of subway alumni, most of the fans that travel to games are the ones who can afford it, and they are typically alumni. The subway alumni may boost numbers, but ND fans always travel well.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:07 pm

I've been to 12 Bowl Games. The Alamo Bowl doesn't excite me or any other UM fan that I know. If you affiliate with a school where the fans get wood over a trip to San Antonio during the holiday's..your welcome to it. Expectations were not met, we had a down year. Clearly you're not suggesting that UM is the only team that doesn't draw well for 3rd tier Bowls.

MClub · Post by **MClub** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:07 pm

michigan built its empire on two things: supporting their fb team before most other schools and aggressive marketing. aside from half the third-world supporting michigan fb as fervently as most americans do (shirt = GOMOTHERFOOKENBLUE!!), it wasn't till don canham sent out junk mail to every address within 100 miles of aa that the stadium started selling out. much of um's support is a direct result of marketing, and that lends itself to obvious, though legitimate, claims of fairweather support.

aside from that, go fuck yrself. i'm neither embarrassed nor ashamed about 4000 alamo bowl tickets. it's in fooken texas, and texas is a long drive. a very small percentage of ppl realistically consider watching the rose bowl in person, so that even less want to design their holiday plans around a game played just after xmas is hardly grounds for an indictment.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:22 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:I've been to 12 Bowl Games. The Alamo Bowl doesn't excite me or any other UM fan that I know. If you affiliate with a school where the fans get wood over a trip to San Antonio during the holiday's..your welcome to it. Expectations were not met, we had a down year. Clearly you're not suggesting that UM is the only team that doesn't draw well for 3rd tier Bowls.

Oklahoma packed the frigging Independance Bowl. Next year when we make a bowl it will be our 40th trip to a Bowl in the schools history. We still pack whichever Bowl we go to each and every year wheather we reach expectations or not. We understand that as fans we owe this to our seniors who have worked their asses off four, sometimes five, years warrent, deserve, and expect this from us.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:23 pm

MClub wrote:michigan built its empire on two things: supporting their fb team before most other schools and aggressive marketing. aside from half the third-world supporting michigan fb as fervently as most americans do (shirt = GOMOTHERFOOKENBLUE!!), it wasn't till don canham sent out junk mail to every address within 100 miles of aa that the stadium started selling out. much of um's support is a direct result of marketing, and that lends itself to obvious, though legitimate, claims of fairweather support.

aside from that, go fuck yrself. i'm neither embarrassed nor ashamed about 4000 alamo bowl tickets. it's in fooken texas, and texas is a long drive. a very small percentage of ppl realistically consider watching the rose bowl in person, so that even less want to design their holiday plans around a game played just after xmas is hardly grounds for an indictment.

You have over 9,000 alumni that live in texass alone. The state isn't that damn big; I know I lived there for three years.

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:31 pm

I love this. Calling out UM fan because he won't pack up and travel aross six or seven states for a meaningless bowl game. UM had three or four "big" games on their schedule already. Is a game against a team that was run off the field by KANSAS really worth traveling for?

The bowl system takes a beating all year long, from fans, talk radio, columnists, a jilted coach or AD, you name it. Team X got screwed. Why can't we have a playoff?

And yet, every year, College Football Fan throws money at the same system he curses, shelling out as much cayshe as it takes for shit bowls. It never fucking fails. Ever.

Construct your playoff formats all you want. Eight teams, sixteen teams, Plus One, who cares? The guys in the funny-colored blazers ALWAYS get the last laugh.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:39 pm

rack Degenerate. Solid take - at what point do fans express their displeasure with acts of...apathy? I guess the point is here, in part.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:42 pm

I've never been to San Antonio but I've been told by many people that the Alamo Bowl is the best non-BCS bowl for fans to attend. I was actually hoping Iowa would end up in the Alamo Bowl simply because I wanted to go to San Antonio. Instead I'm going back to a Florida bowl for the 4th year. Don't get me wrong, I love Tampa too, but I've heard only good things about vacationing in San Antonio.

People that have never been to bowl games are the ones that want a playoff system. I'm for a plus-one but not a playoff. Bowl games are great for the fans. I've been to the Orange Bowl, CapOne/Citrus Bowl, Holiday Bowl, and this will be my 2nd Outback Bowl. Everyone of them are a blast in their own way. Fuck a playoff.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:43 pm

As I said, if your fans cream themselves over shit bowls enjoy. I'm sure Shreveport, Memphis, El Paso, and the like are pleasant this time of year. Naturally UM travels as well as any school when it comes to BCS or upper-level games. How you are unable to see how a fanbase could be a bit underwhelmed following 2 straight Rose Bowls, is beyond me.

All that being said, I will be glued to the tube next wednesday as we kick the crap out of the Huskers.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:50 pm

Steve,

San Antonio is not Memphis, Shrevport, or one of those shit cities. I understand not wanting to go to the Boise Bowl or the Motor City Bowl. So that excuse does not work, especially when you have maybe the largest fan base in the country.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:57 pm

Actually I don't think it's the San Antonio thing as much as its the 5th best Big 10 Bowl, and it's played too close to Christmas. If the cornfolk get all in a frenzie and buy up 50k tickets or whatever, great. This bowl is an improvement over last season for them. By UM standards this is a shit bowl. The fact that we play Nebraska makes it watchable. Shelling out a couple g's for a roadie...not so much.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:41 pm

I understand what you're saying. I have no problem with those that can't afford to go to a bowl or those that don't have the time to take a vacation or they have to travel somewhere else to be with relatives for the holidays. Those people have excuses for not going to a bowl game. I have a problem with people that always find the time and money to go to a bowl game everytime their team is in a BCS bowl, but once their team goes to a non-BCS bowl, they all of a sudden can't make it. I don't expect anyone to go to a bowl game in a shitty city. I wouldn't spend money to see my own kid (if I had one) play in a bowl game in Boise. But if you have the money and time to see your team play in a decent city (regardless of the bowl game), why not go? A game is still a game. Saying you're not going to a bowl because you're disappointed in the season only proves my theory that michigan fans are fairweather.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:47 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:Actually I don't think it's the San Antonio thing as much as its the 5th best Big 10 Bowl, and it's played too close to Christmas. If the cornfolk get all in a frenzie and buy up 50k tickets or whatever, great. This bowl is an improvement over last season for them. By UM standards this is a shit bowl. The fact that we play Nebraska makes it watchable. Shelling out a couple g's for a roadie...not so much.

You don't think the Holiday is shit bowl compared to the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl (twice), Sugar Bowl, or Cotton?

Excuses. I just expected more out of Michigan fan. For all their talk that is what this had shown is that is all it is is talk.

I'd rather be in San Antonio than Detroit for Christmas that is for damn sure.

MClub · Post by **MClub** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:01 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote: I'd rather be in San Antonio than Detroit for Christmas that is for damn sure.

i presume you have family in san antonio then. or perhaps yr just a douche.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:03 pm

For all their talk that is what this had shown is that is all it is is talk

Are you drunk? Do you have anything personal against commas?

MClub · Post by **MClub** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:05 pm

TheJON wrote:A game is still a game. Saying you're not going to a bowl because you're disappointed in the season only proves my theory that michigan fans are fairweather.

'tis true, but something to consider is how a bcs game can pique the sort of interest that causes you to alter yr holiday plans/budget. i agree with you that it's bush not to attend if the ONLY reason is a disappointing season, but it's not necessarily fairweather if a bcs game is more enticing to you than a eighth-place consolation game.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:22 pm

Ya. I'm of the school that says, "I don't give a shite what your fans do with your money, but don't deny that you're fairweather".

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:24 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
For all their talk that is what this had shown is that is all it is is talk
Are you drunk? Do you have anything personal against commas?

Man it is difficult enough to type with a five month old acting like a Banshee in my arms without having to worry about punctuation or grammer. I'll try harder next time but hey I would rather you have a difficult time reading than drop my daughter on her head. Just like in the thread... Priorities is all I am saying. Thanks for your understanding.

I'll leave it like that so everyone else who likes grammer smack can have a field day as well.

MClub · Post by **MClub** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:29 pm

eh? am i denying that um fans are fairweather? or are you saying that we tend to be more fairweather than other fanbases? b/c i don't remember state bball being such a hot ticket in the mid-90s. and i also remember something about kinnick stadium being rather empty while iowa was going 1-10. interesting how fans are more likely to travel all the way to fla than they are across town.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:19 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
For all their talk that is what this had shown is that is all it is is talk
Are you drunk? Do you have anything personal against commas?
Man it is difficult enough to type with a five month old acting like a Banshee in my arms without having to worry about punctuation or grammer. I'll try harder next time but hey I would rather you have a difficult time reading than drop my daughter on her head. Just like in the thread... Priorities is all I am saying. Thanks for your understanding.

I'll leave it like that so everyone else who likes grammer smack can have a field day as well.

Here's an idea: Instead of playing a balancing act with your 5 month old's fragile head and body, why don't you just find a way to tear yourself away from the internet for 5 minutes?

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:27 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Are you drunk? Do you have anything personal against commas?
Man it is difficult enough to type with a five month old acting like a Banshee in my arms without having to worry about punctuation or grammer. I'll try harder next time but hey I would rather you have a difficult time reading than drop my daughter on her head. Just like in the thread... Priorities is all I am saying. Thanks for your understanding.

I'll leave it like that so everyone else who likes grammer smack can have a field day as well.
Here's an idea: Instead of playing a balancing act with your 5 month old's fragile head and body, why don't you just find a way to tear yourself away from the internet for 5 minutes?

It wasn't a balancing act MGO. Normally she is pretty still and quiet and she had been asleep for quite sometime before I began typing. I work out of home and I wasn't on the computer some with her in my arms I wouldn't be able to work. If I don't work we don't have any money. If we don't have any money I can't pay the bills. If I don't pay the bills we lose the house, cars, and seasons tickets. It's a cycle and basic economics. I'm sure you have to work as well, correct?

Now what would I do with my child sleeping under a bridge and no tickets to OU football games?

BlindRef · Post by **BlindRef** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:30 am

I sure as hell ain't apologizing for people not going to Alamo Bowl. There isn't a history or tradition here, this is a dissapointment. Its been a bad season and there isn't much to celebrate. Bowl Games are intended to be a celebration of a season, the Alamo Bowl is a reminder of what a garbage season this was.

Its also a lot further away than Florida.

I am also going to blame the economy in this state. We have the highest unemployment in the country, plants are closing, white and blue collar jobs are being lost every where, this just isn't the year to foot a trip to Texas to watch a sub-par December 28th bowl.

Go Blue!

BraveFan · Post by **BraveFan** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:31 am

SunCoastSooner wrote:Oklahoma packed the frigging Independance Bowl. Next year when we make a bowl it will be our 40th trip to a Bowl in the schools history. We still pack whichever Bowl we go to each and every year wheather we reach expectations or not. We understand that as fans we owe this to our seniors who have worked their asses off four, sometimes five, years warrent, deserve, and expect this from us.

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