effin love the bcs

MClub · Post by **MClub** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:07 am

bitch all you want, but to me the bcs means i can go to detroit and watch the red wings lose and STILL get home in time to catch three hours of a ten-hour football game. imagine had i missed bobby bowden walking over to congratulate joepa for a tie game. ohheMISSEDthatfieldgoal???

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:43 pm

I really wish I was able to as excited as you over the games the last two days but there's no real stakes on the line. Could you imagine Penn State-Florida State and Ohio State-Notre Dame if it meant advancing to the next round of a playoff? I have to admit, they are very attractive matchups on paper but I'm just done with the whole bowl thing.

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:14 pm

There wasn't anything on the line for Penn State and Florida State last night? They sure played like there was.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:27 pm

As much as I love PSU, and that matchup last night, I really feel as if the top two teams are meeting for everything tonight. In fact, there will be those that argue for a #3 finish for OSU...and there is probably real merit in that argument.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:51 pm

Well, it's mainly the offensive improvement that OSU has evidenced. I really don't think PSU would have beaten OSU late in the season. You're probably right, though...a poll voter shouldn't vote on what almost happened, rather they should vote on what did happen.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:51 pm

Shoalzie wrote:I really wish I was able to as excited as you over the games the last two days but there's no real stakes on the line. Could you imagine Penn State-Florida State and Ohio State-Notre Dame if it meant advancing to the next round of a playoff? I have to admit, they are very attractive matchups on paper but I'm just done with the whole bowl thing.

Fucking get off it Shoalzie, we don't give a shit whether or not you like bowl games. The last three games (FSU-PSU, WVU-UG, OSU-ND) have been nothing short of spectacular.

However, none of those teams deserve any more than what they got. They all lost at least one game during the season and don't deserve the opportunity USC and Texas have. This isn't the NFL. Maybe someday the Lions will be good and you will get your playoff fix.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:54 pm

Shoalzie wrote:I really wish I was able to as excited as you over the games the last two days but there's no real stakes on the line. Could you imagine Penn State-Florida State and Ohio State-Notre Dame if it meant advancing to the next round of a playoff? I have to admit, they are very attractive matchups on paper but I'm just done with the whole bowl thing.

There's more to these games than you care to admit, or more than you can recognize. One of the two.

#1 These games are stepping stones for programs who are on the rise. You know, the whole Rome wasn't built in a day thing...? Consecutive bowl apperances, and more importantly, bowl wins, attract high level recruits. The more blue chip recruits you bring in the more talented you become. The more talented you become, the more you win (in theory). The more you win, you'll produce more revenue from your attendances, boosters, bowl sponsors, etc., which means you'll afford top notch facilities and high level coaches who want to coach your program. You roll all of that together and that means you'll have a good chance of competing for national titles. And of course these games are important for that whole recruiting process because you're in the national spotlight, when otherwise, you may only have one or two games a year (at the most) on national television. Remember, most people DON'T think like you, so those 18 year old kids out there who can run 4.2 40s ARE interested in these games.

#2 Polls. Unless you lose almost all your starters, getting a bowl win almost guarantees your chances of a higher ranking the following season. I don't think I have to tell you that starting a season off ranked in the top 10 is pivotal. Winning a bowl game could, for example, make the difference between starting off ranked #12 and #7 the following season. That just makes your goal of climbing to the #1 or #2 spot that much easier.

So in a way, playing in a bowl game is like starting off a new season. The very games you deem as worthless, many people see them as a way of increasing success for the following season.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:59 pm

Shoalzie wrote:I really wish I was able to as excited as you over the games the last two days but there's no real stakes on the line. Could you imagine Penn State-Florida State and Ohio State-Notre Dame if it meant advancing to the next round of a playoff? I have to admit, they are very attractive matchups on paper but I'm just done with the whole bowl thing.

Til tonight, he means....

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:06 pm

Degenerate wrote:There wasn't anything on the line for Penn State and Florida State last night? They sure played like there was.

I'm sure they both brought it...you wouldn't expect less from two teams coached by legends. I really don't want to demean any of the teams playing in the games. I know I come off as a blowhard and a broken record but this is such a shame for these games not to have something more on the line. Teams do get to be on TV, play a quality and get some spotlight but can't they get that from the regular season? I'll let it go for now...the BIG one is tonight and then we can look forward to next season when I'll bitch over the same stuff again. None of what I say here means a hill of beans in the matter so what do I bother?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:09 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
Degenerate wrote:There wasn't anything on the line for Penn State and Florida State last night? They sure played like there was.

I'm sure they both brought it...you wouldn't expect less from two teams coached by legends. I know I come off as a blowhard and a broken record but this is such a shame for these games not to have something more on the line.

But they do have a lot on the line. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean they don't.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:10 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:
Degenerate wrote:There wasn't anything on the line for Penn State and Florida State last night? They sure played like there was.

I'm sure they both brought it...you wouldn't expect less from two teams coached by legends. I know I come off as a blowhard and a broken record but this is such a shame for these games not to have something more on the line.
But they do have a lot on the line. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean they don't.

Tell me, what was on the line?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:13 pm

I know I come off as a blowhard and a broken record

I don't think that's the case at all. You're presenting a particular point of view in lucid fashion.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:15 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:
I'm sure they both brought it...you wouldn't expect less from two teams coached by legends. I know I come off as a blowhard and a broken record but this is such a shame for these games not to have something more on the line.
But they do have a lot on the line. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean they don't.

Tell me, what was on the line?

Scroll up.

MClub · Post by **MClub** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:15 pm

Shoalzie wrote:I really wish I was able to as excited as you over the games the last two days but there's no real stakes on the line. Could you imagine Penn State-Florida State and Ohio State-Notre Dame if it meant advancing to the next round of a playoff? I have to admit, they are very attractive matchups on paper but I'm just done with the whole bowl thing.

i meant that tongue-in-cheek about how long these games are. i wouldn't mind a five-hour game if that's how long it took to play, but going to bed at 1.00 am b/c of commercials is a bit noxious.

anyhow, i could imagine psu/fsu if it meant advancing to the next round of the playoffs. it'd prolly look a lot like the game last night, only a little bit more like business and less like the game meant EVERYTHING to those players. that fsu kicker def looked like the game meant little...

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:20 pm

I really do feel for these FSU kickers. What a tough tradition to add on to. You can bet that any kid who entertains the notion of kicking for FSU at least briefly imagines himself winning big games where so many predecessors failed...yet, they all seem to end up in the same spot.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:32 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Scroll up.

I skimmed through it originally...valid points nonetheless. I agree with the it's the start of next season comment...if you're out of the running, this is your last chance to catch everyone's attention and improve your rankings for next year. You see how inaccurate the preseason polls are though when you have teams like Michigan, Oklahoma and Tennessee in the top 10 and all three were major disappointments. They are showcase games but they are overrated in the grand scheme of the season. For all intensive purposes, the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed on the season when these games are played...with the exception of determining that actual champion...they just seem like such a waste and they are made-for-TV events rather than being relevant football games. Just slap some brackets around the games and I'm on board.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:15 pm

Not many are arguing against a playoff, myself included. The point is though, though the BCS system is shit, this is the system we have to live with for now, so you need to do whatever you can as a team to take advantage of the current system you're in. If winning a bowl game can somehow improve your chances at a title run the following season, you need to treat the game seriously. You can't treat it as a worthless game. Doing that can only hurt you. It can't, in any way, help you.