It will be an issue until black writers stop talking...

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:30 pm

......about it.

Black coaches 1-9

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:36 pm

If given half a chance, a smart Jap could rustle up a helluva gameplan.

Just bouncing ideas around in here.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:38 pm

poptart wrote:If given half a chance, a smart Jap could rustle up a helluva gameplan.

.

I'm on it!

signed,
Norm Chow

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:44 pm

Chow is Chinese.

I'd say he looks a lot like a Jap though.

Give him a shot.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:49 pm

Cicero wrote:......about it.

Black coaches 1-9

What is it with black writers with the last name smith? Are they required to make everything racial?

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:57 pm

I mean the guy tries to come up w/ some valid points to say that the NFL ownership arent flat our racists, but they never seem to let up. They got what they wanted in that 12 out of 25 coaching interviews went to minorities, but the owners decided on other guys since it is THEIR COMPANY. Its a big step for black coaches to get interviews but it seems like some people want everything to change in a year. I am a little surprised that Carthon or Cottrell didnt get a sniff, but there is always next year.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:57 pm

poptart wrote:If given half a chance, a smart Jap could rustle up a helluva gameplan.

Just bouncing ideas around in here.

I consult with my Japanese coaches in developing our "Jap plays."

Sincerely,

Bill Parcells

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:58 pm

poptart wrote:Chow is Chinese.

I'd say he looks a lot like a Jap though.

Give him a shot. ]/b]

LMAO

kcdave · Post by **kcdave** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:08 am

On a serious note, with all of the coaching changes this season, I would like to see how many minority coaches have been elevated in Asst Coaching positions before offering a real take on the whole issue.

On my normal note, you fucking whiney asses ...... sarcasm to follow: .... any good Swiss prospects the raiduhs should consider as Al's next yes man?

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:46 am

Cicero wrote:I am a little surprised that Carthon or Cottrell didnt get a sniff, but there is always next year.

Ted Cottrell has been out for interviews for a LONG time now...why isn't he clicking with anyone?

you say "token interview"...i say....this has been his ? 4th year or so, of said interviews.

i guess Ted's not stepping up his Game...or, he's just an OLD SCHOOL Football Coach that doesn't WANT to PLAY the GAME Anymore.

as for Carthon....

jeeebus F'n Kee~rist---->i've been trying to tell TAJT that he is not the 2nd coming of anything SMART...offensive wise.

Mo' Carthon was...at best....helter~skelter with his play-calling for the Browns this year.

he wouldn't give Dilfer any Rythuuuum...and he surely gave NONE to Charlie Frye. (witness Frye's 9-6 beatdown of the Raiduh's)...sorry.

He "committed" to NOTHING.

his 1st season as an OC...sucked donkey ballz.

Now, TAJT would like him to be his RAIDUH's HC.

c'mon Assassin! Change your Sig!

...really...you CAN Have Him...

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:29 am

Cicero wrote:......about it.

Black coaches 1-9

Paging Rush Limbaugh

"The media has been very desirous that a black coach does well.."

A black coach will win a ring eventually...I hate how something like this needs to be brought to light. No one really thinks about this stuff unless someone brings it up. I don't think the 1-9 stat should deter anyone from hiring a black coach and considering you've got both Lewis and Smith in their first couple of seasons with their teams, who's to say they won't continue to make the playoffs and eventually end up in a Super Bowl?

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:38 pm

Shoalzie wrote:I hate how something like this needs to be brought to light. No one really thinks about this stuff unless someone brings it up.

Exactly my point. It will always be an issue as long as the media and black voices keep bringing it up. In 5 years, if things havent changed than bitch away. But to do it every season when progress is obviously being made makes their case moot.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:07 pm

I would blame the media more than I would blame black coaches for raising the issue. The media is mainly a bunch of pussy white liberals with an agenda.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:00 pm

Cicero wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:I hate how something like this needs to be brought to light. No one really thinks about this stuff unless someone brings it up.
Exactly my point. It will always be an issue as long as the media and black voices keep bringing it up. In 5 years, if things havent changed than bitch away. But to do it every season when progress is obviously being made makes their case moot.

Progress is obviously being made?

Please do show how.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:02 pm

BSmack wrote:
Cicero wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:I hate how something like this needs to be brought to light. No one really thinks about this stuff unless someone brings it up.
Exactly my point. It will always be an issue as long as the media and black voices keep bringing it up. In 5 years, if things havent changed than bitch away. But to do it every season when progress is obviously being made makes their case moot.
Progress is obviously being made?

Please do show how.

By that half of those interviewed for HC jobs were black and that more and more OC and DC jobs are going to qualified black men those setting them up to be HC's in the future. Oh wait, this is you.....

WhatsMyName wrote: pussy white liberals with an agenda.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:56 pm

mvscal wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:A black coach will win a ring eventually...
Who gives a fuck?

Bingo.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:58 pm

Cicero wrote:By that half of those interviewed for HC jobs were black and that more and more OC and DC jobs are going to qualified black men those setting them up to be HC's in the future. Oh wait, this is you.....

I guess it would be asking WAY too much for you to back up that "more and more" stat with some actualy numbers?

When you're ready to back up what you say, let me know.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:59 pm

Cicero wrote:
By that half of those interviewed for HC jobs were black

Only b/c the NFL requires organzations to interview minority canidates. Was it Detroit that went under fire for hiring Mariucci before they interviewed a black canidate? That is bullshit- if I am running a team and I know who I want- I shouldn't be forced to interview people just because of their skin color.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:06 pm

^^^^

Totally agree.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:20 pm

Cicero wrote:^^^^

Totally agree.

So you cite the number of HC condidates interviewed as "progress" and then bash the rule that made that happen?

What color is the sky in your world?

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:29 pm

White, bitch.

GrizBearStare · Post by **GrizBearStare** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:45 pm

Is Dungy considered "black"?

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:04 pm

Qbert wrote:
Cicero wrote:
as for Carthon....

jeeebus F'n Kee~rist---->i've been trying to tell TAJT that he is not the 2nd coming of anything SMART...offensive wise.

Mo' Carthon was...at best....helter~skelter with his play-calling for the Browns this year.

he wouldn't give Dilfer any Rythuuuum...and he surely gave NONE to Charlie Frye. (witness Frye's 9-6 beatdown of the Raiduh's)...sorry.

He "committed" to NOTHING.

his 1st season as an OC...sucked donkey ballz.

Now, TAJT would like him to be his RAIDUH's HC.

c'mon Assassin! Change your Sig!

...really...you CAN Have Him...

Carthon was solid in Dallas and in all fairness the Brownies had NADA for offense. HOWEVER. Ruben Drones still had a solid year and Charlie Frye is a rookie. Carthon did ok with what he had. No Winslow,no Edwards for most of the year Trent Dilfer is WELL past his prime(granted in his prime he was well past his prime), and the defense had no identity. while I doubt Carthon will get any job let alone the Raider job, he is worthy of consideration for a coach.

Besides from what I've been reading Ken Whisenhunt has emerged as the top choice.

velocet · Post by **velocet** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:37 am

This is a free country. No one who owns any going concern should have to deal with any hassles about who to hire for anything.

velocet

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:46 am

velocet wrote:This is a free country. No one who owns any going concern should have to deal with any hassles about who to hire for anything.

velocet

It's a small price indeed for the NFL to pay. The alternative is free competion.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:22 am

Personally, I think before any major newspaper hires one more white sports reporter, they should bring in at least one minority candidate. Better yet, they should put a freeze on hiring any white sports reporters, until the % representation of black reporters equals the corresponding sport they cover.

Sports journalists,,,Take the plank out of your own eye first

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:59 am

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote: The alternative is free competion.

Yeah!! We'll show 'em!!

Sincerely,

The WFL, USFL and XFL

Like any of them ever had a real chance. The NFL gets premium access to publicly funded stadiums in order to make their profit. They have deals with 3 of the 4 major networks to use public airwaves to transmit their product. The least they can do is provide some semblance of equal opportunity in their hiring practices.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:42 am

BSmack wrote:The least they can do is provide some semblance of equal opportunity in their hiring practices.

No, the least they can do is hire whoever they feel is the candidate that is most likely to succeed, and give their fans who pay the bills the best opportunity to see a winning team.

Hiring a less-qualified applicant just because of ethnicity undermines the whole point of equality.

Hire the best freaking coach, for goodness' sake. Black white or purple, it doesn't matter -- I just want to see my team win.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:05 am

Dinsdale wrote:No, the least they can do is hire whoever they feel is the candidate that is most likely to succeed, and give their fans who pay the bills the best opportunity to see a winning team.

The fans who pay the bills?

You mean the taxpayers who may or may not be fans. Right?

Hiring a less-qualified applicant just because of ethnicity undermines the whole point of equality.

Almost every coach in the NFL is a former NFL player. So why don't we see more blacks coaching? Why don't we see more black GMs? The logic just doesn't hold that there are more qualified white coaching and management candidates than black candidates.

Hire the best freaking coach, for goodness' sake. Black white or purple, it doesn't matter -- I just want to see my team win.

You're a 9ers fan, just give up until York sells out.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:19 pm

BSmack wrote: Almost every coach in the NFL is a former NFL player. So why don't we see more blacks coaching? Why don't we see more black GMs? The logic just doesn't hold that there are more qualified white coaching and management candidates than black candidates.

Wha??!??! Let me explain something to you. More blacks play in the NFL than whites. Soooo, when all these un-athletic white guys dont make the league or get cut after a couple of years, they diven into coaching. Thus they build their resume and make a name for themsleves. Plus, it seems more white guys want to get into coaching. So, the logic is justified that there are more qualified white candidates than blacks. Same goes for the NBA. Except its worse.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:22 pm

Cicero wrote:Wha??!??! Let me explain something to you. More blacks play in the NFL than whites. Soooo, when all these un-athletic white guys dont make the league or get cut after a couple of years, they diven into coaching.

Wassup Pickle? You saying that the knee grow is just too damn athletic to be able to build a coaching resume?

Thus they build their resume and make a name for themsleves. Plus, it seems more white guys want to get into coaching. So, the logic is justified that there are more qualified white candidates than blacks. Same goes for the NBA. Except its worse.

The sidelines of every NFL game are littlered with lower level assistant coaches and coordinators who are black. The question is, why don't these guys get the big jobs yet?

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:57 pm

^^^^

I know he hates me, but this guy amuses the hell out of me.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:06 pm

mvscal wrote:Because the vast majority of them are stupid monkeys who can run and jump very well, but are barely capable of tying their own shoes let alone coach an NFL team in any capacity.

Nice job Mr. Campanis.

The qualities that make for great athletes are not necessarily the same as the qualities that make for a great coach.

Sure many coaches are former NFL players, but they were almost all lower tier players. As far as I know, Ditka is the only Hall of Fame player to win a championship as a coach.

Most players, black or white, were lower teir players. Of the 1800 players currently in the NFL, 1% will have a sniff at the Hall of Fame. And of that 1%, only half of them will make the Hall. Unless your argument is that most lower tier players are white and that better players are not good coaches, I'm not sure where you are going with this line of reasoning.

BTW: For starters, Forrest Gregg and Raymond Berry also coached teams to the Super Bowl. Of course they were white and could not have been great players, so their election to the HoF was probably a mistake.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:52 pm

Thank GOD this issue won't die.

--mvscal

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:08 pm

mvscal wrote:That is exactly the point. A lower tier player who had to compensate for his relative lack of athleticism with meticulous preparation and study is more likely to be better prepared for a career in coaching than a superstar athlete would. Not to mention that the superstar player would only take up coaching if he enjoyed it as a hobby.

So that makes Hall of Famers 1-2 in championship games. Not exactly the stuff of legend as they were as players.

Real solid anyalisis. You do realize Ditka and Berry coached against each other in SB XX?

In other words, someone was bound to lose.

There may have been other HoFers. I know Jim Thorpe coached for a period of time. Sammy Baugh as well. But the talent pool of Hall of Famers is pretty damn small.

Furthermore, there are plenty of black scrub players on NFL rosters. Show me that there are more white scrubs than black and you "might" have an argument.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:00 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Furthermore, there are plenty of black scrub players on NFL rosters.
And some of them such as Tony Dungy and Herm Edwards are decent coaches.

You're still ducking the bottom line here and that is the fact that great athletes don't necessarily make great coaches, so the argument that most players are black is totally irrelevant.

Let's make this real simple and quick for the tards.

Equal % of scrub players from both races should equal the same % of head coaches. Yet it does not.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:08 pm

Maybe then, whites are just more qualified. Why do some people find it hard to believe that some races are just smarter?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:34 pm

I think we've established that Cicero and mv are, in addition to being utter retards, also racist to the bone.

Next topic.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:03 pm

KC Paul 3.0 wrote: Yet they still have more money, bitches, and possessions than you ever will. 'BODE Mike Irvin and guys like him.

...and they tend to be the most depressed, hapless fucks you'll ever meet. The most sincere, approachable and altogether cool motherfuckers are the great ones who never anything close the vet minimum that some guys are getting now.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:41 pm

BSmack wrote:I think we've established that Cicero and mv are, in addition to being utter retards, also racist to the bone.

Next topic.

Not true. I like black people and there are good smart ones out there. I dont like jigs and there are more of them than need be.

T1B

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