But, but we are a religion of PEACE!!!!

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:30 am

IF we bombed them? Everyone in the middle east.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:58 am

Look...the minute we had nukes launched, the Soviets would have launched them at us as well. Look at a map sometime, idiot, and you'll see how close Iran is to the former Soviet Union. There is no way in hell they would have stood for us lobbing nukes in their neighborhood then, and they probably wouldn't do so now either.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:09 am

Are people actually debating the results of Jimmy Fucking Carter nuking someone?

I (and a lot of future republicans at the time) would have settled for him not backstabbing our allies(including the Shah).

And not letting Canadian swine regain US citizenship.

We had the perfect dumping ground for our refuse, and totally he fucked it up.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:38 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Look...the minute we had nukes launched, the Soviets would have launched them at us as well. Look at a map sometime, idiot, and you'll see how close Iran is to the former Soviet Union. There is no way in hell they would have stood for us lobbing nukes in their neighborhood then, and they probably wouldn't do so now either.

First off, I said "drop a nuke on the embassy", not "Launch a shitload of ICBMs at the embassy".

And although Jimmah didn't see the need for the B-1 or the Cruise Missile, and his administration had done their best to run our military into the ground, a B-52 strike protected by F-14's could have handled that kind of mission pretty easily.

And, no, the Soviets wouldn't have done a fucking thing except possibly protest at the UN. They were up to their asses in alligators & muzzies in Afghanistan and, oh, yeah, Chechnya. The last thing they would have done is launch their ICBMs to respond to a shaky, unreliable client-state that was already asking to be plunger raped.

Fucking tard

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:49 pm

"drop a nuke on the embassy"

The Soviets never would have sat on their hands while the US nuked Iran, halfwit. Nor would the US have sat idly by if the Soviets nuked anyone at all.

Face it - the minute someone gets nuked - anywhere, someone's going to start the big fireworks. Nothing has changed in that regard, shit-for-brains.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:00 pm

mvscal wrote:
Cuda wrote:The last thing they would have done is launch their ICBMs to respond to a shaky, unreliable client-state that was already asking to be plunger raped.
Iran wasn't even their client. It was ours. Saddam was the Soviet client.

For some reason, I believe the Ayatollah was on the KGB payroll. At the very least, once the Shah was out of the way, the Soviets looked at Iran as a prospective client.

Still, they weren't going to stick their necks out for that bunch of wack jobs.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:36 pm

mvscal wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:The Soviets never would have sat on their hands while the US nuked Iran, halfwit.
Of course they would. You don't seriously believe they would court their own annhilation on Iran's behalf do you?

You're according a calm-headedness and wisdom to the Soviets that I wouldn't have expected you to accord.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:42 pm

Nice conclusion, Densa.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:52 pm

PSUFAN wrote:
mvscal wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:The Soviets never would have sat on their hands while the US nuked Iran, halfwit.
Of course they would. You don't seriously believe they would court their own annhilation on Iran's behalf do you?
You're according a calm-headedness and wisdom to the Soviets that I wouldn't have expected you to accord.

There's a group of posters here with the " Fuck the [insert foreign country name here], lets nuke them" mentality, as if that would ever be a reality.

The whole intent with this thread was to look at the situation and discuss POSSIBLE outcomes. Unfortunately Ambassador Cuda and Prime minister mvscal are only capable of understanding the option to drop the big one, and aren't capable of discussing what really might happen.

No way Russia sits idly by while we lob missles at NK. Same for China. The screaming yellow horde would be on our ass before the first ship pulled into range, and russian subs would be out in force as a deterrent. They'd attempt to achieve a standoff to prevent it from occurring, not engage in a battle.

It doesn't matter what their military limitations are, they would not back down.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:12 pm

NO it isn't. You actually believe we, the United States would commit a first nuclear strike against anyone, especially a country that was failing to comply to UN requests and was in the process of developing, but not actually having nukes?

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:49 pm

You're still dodging the ONE key point, that being the reality of us dropping a nuke. You're still dealing with the fantasy of dropping one.

No way we go that route. Missles? Yes. I can see them taking out Irans nuclear facilities before they can go online or before they have nuclear material in them that would contaminate the atmosphere or the surrounding area, but no way do we go nuclear first..

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:18 pm

That would be a better solution than a traditional nuke for sure, but it would be far better to just take out the reactor, with no resultant radiation.

Check this concept:

A steel rod 40 feet long and 4 inches in diameter, fin-stabilized, with a needle-sharp tungsten-carbide tip, equipped with a small JDAM guidance package including a GPS. It is non-explosive; there is no warhead.

take a half-dozen of these up in a high-altitude bomber, like a B2 or B52, and drop them over Tehran at 50,000 or 60,000 feet.
Going so fast and with almost no radar signature, the GPS-guided Spears will punch through the reactor and keep right on going, burying themselves in the earth several hundred feet deep. The Iranians won't know what happened, and all there will be is some holes in the ground – plus a melted-down reactor.

Then they'd have to bury it like Chernobyl.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:32 pm

Terminal Velocity says what?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:35 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:take a half-dozen of these up in a high-altitude bomber, like a B2 or B52, and drop them over Tehran at 50,000 or 60,000 feet.
Going so fast and with almost no radar signature, the GPS-guided Spears will punch through the reactor and keep right on going, burying themselves in the earth several hundred feet deep.

Wow. Your science teacher just rolled over in his grave.

Dropping a steel rod from 50,000 feet is going to make it penetrate hundreds of feet into the ground, because it's "going so fast?"

Wow.

You might want to save yourself some effort, and not bother sending that application to Raytheon any time soon.

Jeebuz.

PSSST! I don't give a shit what you drop from 60,000 feet -- it's not going to be going any faster than if you dropped it from 5000 feet.

I guess this is where the obligatory "Sin, The Laws Of Physics" goes.

I'm all about blasting any Iranian enrichment facility into Kingdom Come, but violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty would be so....Bushlike.

I don't really see it as being much of a problem, since the Russians see this as being as big or bigger a problem than we do, and they have a better target line on them.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:39 pm

Mister Babshice wrote:NO it isn't. You actually believe we, the United States would commit a first nuclear strike against anyone, especially a country that was failing to comply to UN requests and was in the process of developing, but not actually having nukes?

1. Modern day wasn't exactly the context nuking Tehran was being talked about, dimwit. We were talking about 1979

2. But since you brought it up, Iran is begging to be nuked without actually using the exact words "Please Exterminate Us". While the rest of the world might not be quite ready for this just yet, a few more muzzie riots because something or other has "offended" that gutter religion of theirs and The Rest Of The World will be begging for Iran to be nuked.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:39 pm

Oh, and since you're pretty clueless here -- the international beef isn't with Iran having a "reactor." The Russians have offered to freaking build Iran a reactor, and the international community doesn't seem too worried about it.

The big stink you keep hearing about (in bits and pieces, apparently) is Iran building an enrichment facility. That's where bombs come from -- not "reactors."

Google will be your friend on this matter.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:43 pm

This thread has taken a bad turn for Babshice, I'm afraid- btw

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:53 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:take a half-dozen of these up in a high-altitude bomber, like a B2 or B52, and drop them over Tehran at 50,000 or 60,000 feet.
Going so fast and with almost no radar signature, the GPS-guided Spears will punch through the reactor and keep right on going, burying themselves in the earth several hundred feet deep.
Wow. Your science teacher just rolled over in his grave.

Dropping a steel rod from 50,000 feet is going to make it penetrate hundreds of feet into the ground, because it's "going so fast?"

Wow.

You might want to save yourself some effort, and not bother sending that application to Raytheon any time soon.

Jeebuz.

The spears have such a big sectional density that it will be like a vacuum drop – with no wind resistance, they will be going faster than the speed of sound when they hit the target.

PSSST! I don't give a shit what you drop from 60,000 feet -- it's not going to be going any faster than if you dropped it from 5000 feet.

I guess this is where the obligatory "Sin, The Laws Of Physics" goes.

Just passing along a concept I read about as an alternate to the oh so creative " Lets nuke em and turn the country to glass" mentality of all the board weasels. I'm not claiming to be a physicist.

I'm all about blasting any Iranian enrichment facility into Kingdom Come, but violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty would be so....Bushlike.

Yeah it would be just like him to ignore laws and do his own thing, but like I said, nuclear weapons that cause massive damage are not a reality. Taking out their capability to produce nuclear weapons is.

If it comes to that. The jury is still out on whether or not the Russians will be assisting them with uranium enrichment.

I don't really see it as being much of a problem, since the Russians see this as being as big or bigger a problem than we do, and they have a better target line on them.

But Russia isn't a target themselves. If anything they're working with them, so it's doubtful iran would be aiming at them anytime soon.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:57 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Oh, and since you're pretty clueless here -- the international beef isn't with Iran having a "reactor." The Russians have offered to freaking build Iran a reactor, and the international community doesn't seem too worried about it.

The big stink you keep hearing about (in bits and pieces, apparently) is Iran building an enrichment facility. That's where bombs come from -- not "reactors."

Google will be your friend on this matter.

Actually they've offered to enrich uranium for the reactor they already have.

Also, Russia has warned the world to back off threatening Iran:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006 ... ning_x.htm

Russia's foreign minister warned against threatening Iran over its nuclear program Monday after Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld reportedly agreed with a German interviewer that all options, including military response, remained on the table.

Like I said. Russia won't play.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:21 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:I'm not claiming to be a physicist.

No shit.

Sin,

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:30 pm

Dude we're not talking about bullets fired into the air, It's the concept of taking out a nuclear reactor without utilizing nukes to do it.

Why are you focusing on this meaningless side story? Who gives a rats ass if I didn't calculate the terminal velocity of a moving object? Answer the question:

Without taking the idiotic 'Nuke em all" mentality of the other doorknobs around here, how would YOU propose we deal with a threat of this type? How do we stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons?

Assume that the UN us useless, Russia and China are not on our side and talking gets us nowhere.

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:31 pm

take a half-dozen of these up in a high-altitude bomber, like a B2 or B52, and drop them over Tehran at 50,000 or 60,000 feet.
Going so fast and with almost no radar signature, the GPS-guided Spears will punch through the reactor and keep right on going, burying themselves in the earth several hundred feet deep. The Iranians won't know what happened, and all there will be is some holes in the ground – plus a melted-down reactor.

Sorry Bush, punching a few holes in a containment building does not guarantee a reactor meltdown. Most likely you will induce an automatic reactor shutdown and the fuel rods will be removed from the reactor. While one of your rods might hit the core it is not a certainty. If you want to take a site permanently off line conventional bunker busting bombs would be the best choice.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:34 pm

Mister Bushice wrote: Without taking the idiotic 'Nuke em all" mentality of the other doorknobs around here, how would YOU propose we deal with a threat of this type?

We build these things called "Daisy Cutters" and "Bunker Busters."

Duh.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you. It's pretty simple, and it reallyreally doesn't require rewriting the laws of physics -- in fact, it's quite consistant with them...

Large quantity of high-explosive make big BOOM.

It's worked literally thousands of times before...really.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:35 pm

atomicdad wrote:If you want to take a site permanently off line conventional bunker busting bombs would be the best choice.

Thank you.

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:45 pm

You're welcome.

Although I don't think we, the US, needs to fret too much. Israel will never let them get close to coming online.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:47 pm

Wow.

Just wow.

Wow.

Uhm...nvermind.

I was going to try and explain it to you, but I'm just sitting here shaking my head.

Wow.

"If we drop it from space, it will get going really really really fast."

Wow.

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:50 pm

and if we get really lucky we just might hit the reactor core.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:55 pm

Wow.

Just wow.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:11 pm

atomicdad wrote:and if we get really lucky we just might hit the reactor core.

Well you know they have those GPS things on board, so if it doesn't hit the reactor, it'll be sure to take out a village nearby. ;)

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:40 pm

Guys, just saying that a nuclear reactor is submerged in a pool inside a containment building. You know, the big prestressed steel lined concrete structures. It sounds plausable that you're steel rod thingy could probably puncture a hole through the containment building, but it does not guarantee complete destruction of the core, which I think is what should be done if we are going to all the trouble.

Hell, if you want to keep it simple use conventional ordinace and destroy the control room and surrounding operation facilities, cooling water systems etc. and let the fucking thing melt on it's own.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:51 pm

atomicdad wrote:...and let the fucking thing melt on it's own.

The only "melt" that's going to occur is your country's, when you wake up one morning to $74 a gallon gasoline.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:12 am

mvscal wrote:
The centrifuge arrays are what University of Chicago, mama's boys, chickenhawk, Zionist shitbag, Israeli first traitors are interested in destroying, though.

FTFY

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:30 am

The centrifuge arrays are what we are interested in destroying, though.

Yes.

So why the fuck is Bushice talking about 40 fucking foot long flying steel rods. Sounds like he has some Freudian issues to deal with. :D

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:41 am

atomicdad wrote:
The centrifuge arrays are what we are interested in destroying, though.
Yes.

So why the fuck is Bushice talking about 40 fucking foot long flying steel rods. Sounds like he has some Freudian issues to deal with. :D

mvscal wrote: Long rod penetrators work quite well.

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:13 am

Hell Mace, we wouldn't hear you if you were yelling from the top of a 50 story building, let alone 5000' or 60,000'. :D

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:34 am

Here's an interesting sidenote to the issue - The editor of the Danish newspaper who made all the decisions is a Jew with stong ties to some of the more radical neo-consevatives in the US:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8512

Raimondo is always a good read..

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:36 am

Dinsdale wrote:Wow.

Just wow.

Very IB of you.

Why not though, you've got her grasp of physics.

Arch Angel · Post by **Arch Angel** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:03 am

Can we send in SG-1? They can fix anything in less than an hour.

Gunslinger · Post by **Gunslinger** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:22 am

Arch Angel wrote:Can we send in SG-1? They can fix anything in less than an hour.

Holy shit! Is this the nigga Arc?

I got a pic of you and me and Sherri and others from the spic resturant on my computer. Bitches like domelopper visited reality tv since then as a smelly fucking retarded cracker stinking up Midway. His shit stunk so fucking bad he bailed on all these boards.

PM me if you still exist and let me know what has been going on!

If you are a troll, I gladly resume my title of biggest fucking dick on this board. :wink:

Arch Angel · Post by **Arch Angel** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:44 pm

Nah

It's me. I don't venture here much because of all the dickheads that want to attack each other than the topic at hand, ahem.

I am keeping it cool at the yob, trying to move to the programming department to make the six figure amount. Being in IT is tough when you got other brown nosing money grubbers trying to do the same thing. The poison knives and backstabbing has just begun. I am a very nasty motherfucker in that department.

Confirm Indy stop, Domelopper, KForce, Mike T, Vicky and Fat Sack, the others I forgot.

Those were the good times.