Sorry, domers

[PSUFAN]

But this is funny:


so is this:

http://www.angelfire.com/nj3/notredame/

September 9, bitches.

[Terry in Crapchester]

But this is funny:

Been done before on this site.

Funny, but just a tad ironic, given that it came from Fredo fan. Especially the "Be Accepted at a good school/Be Accepted at Notre Dame" dichotomy.

For those who don't know, a lot of Fredo's students are students who applied to ND but didn't get in.

[Killian]

September 9, bitches.

You making the trip? I doubt I'll be able to get tickets, but I might make the roadie.

[Jimmy Medalions]

I've seen this done for Texas as well. Never gets old, no matter who it's directed at.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I'll probably be watching this one at home.

My son is getting to the point where he's old enough to be interested, and I'd like to take him. But he'd be a handful and a half by myself for an entire weekend, particularly when it's 9 hours out and 9 back in the car.

Unfortunately, however, he's a Gators fan, at least for now. Hopefully, he'll outgrow that, unlike T REX.

[SoCalTrjn]

this glass dick too?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11263597/

I know there's a faction of the fandom that genuflects and does the sign of the cross at every mention of "Notre Dame." And I also know half of them don't know where Notre Dame is located, and 90 percent of them didn't attend school there -- wherever it is. (I think the campus is located at the right hand of God -- or South Bend, Ind. I'm still trying to figure it out, too.)

[Killian]

this glass dick too?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11263597/

I know there's a faction of the fandom that genuflects and does the sign of the cross at every mention of "Notre Dame." And I also know half of them don't know where Notre Dame is located, and 90 percent of them didn't attend school there -- wherever it is. (I think the campus is located at the right hand of God -- or South Bend, Ind. I'm still trying to figure it out, too.)

Not on this board, but the mistakes he makes in that article are pretty funny. In fact, in the part you quoted, he makes fun of ND fans for being band waggon and not knowing where the campus is, yet he states that it's in South Bend, Indiana. Good call Tom. Don't let the fact that you're a bitter Purdue alum/fan get in the way of actually putting facts in your article.

[PSUFAN]

September 9, bitches.

You making the trip? I doubt I'll be able to get tickets, but I might make the roadie.

Sounds like a plan.

Me: drinking on a full stomach
You: wearing washable stuff

[Killian]

Main Street - Notre Dame is also a lot less populated than Main Street - Ann Arbor.

[Laxplayer]

I know there's a faction of the fandom that genuflects and does the sign of the cross at every mention of "Notre Dame." And I also know half of them don't know where Notre Dame is located, and 90 percent of them didn't attend school there -- wherever it is. (I think the campus is located at the right hand of God -- or South Bend, Ind. I'm still trying to figure it out, too.)

this coming from an $C fan who is the king of bandwagoners right now. something about glass houses......

[Nolesy]

I'll probably be watching this one at home.

My son is getting to the point where he's old enough to be interested, and I'd like to take him. But he'd be a handful and a half by myself for an entire weekend, particularly when it's 9 hours out and 9 back in the car.

Unfortunately, however, he's a Gators fan, at least for now. Hopefully, he'll outgrow that, unlike T REX.

I hear ya K. my boy is 11 and turned into a crazed football fan this past season. He even was caugth watching espn classic games instead of cartoons- making me burst the ole vest buttons.
Even though he is a special needs kid, I found that he jumped leaps and bounds from age 9-11 as far as developing intrests we could share. Just hang in there your real close with him.

BTW, this weekend he and I will be heading out on his first backpacking trip. packed plenty of granola bars for when he starts melting.

[TheChief]

I hear ya K. my boy is 11 and turned into a crazed football fan this past season. He even was caugth watching espn classic games instead of cartoons- making me burst the ole vest buttons.
Even though he is a special needs kid, I found that he jumped leaps and bounds from age 9-11 as far as developing intrests we could share. Just hang in there your real close with him.

BTW, this weekend he and I will be heading out on his first backpacking trip. packed plenty of granola bars for when he starts melting.

Based on the Vid you sent me...I'm guessing he's a Nole! :wink: Good luck on the trail man...I just never could get into that...it was too depressing to not have a rifle shouldered.

[Terry in Crapchester]

this glass dick too?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11263597/

I know there's a faction of the fandom that genuflects and does the sign of the cross at every mention of "Notre Dame." And I also know half of them don't know where Notre Dame is located, and 90 percent of them didn't attend school there -- wherever it is. (I think the campus is located at the right hand of God -- or South Bend, Ind. I'm still trying to figure it out, too.)

Not on this board, but the mistakes he makes in that article are pretty funny.

Just a few that jump out:

I may go to Hell for saying this, but what the hell: Why did Brady Quinn opt to return for his senior season?

The guy was a lock to be a first-round draft choice this April. A lock.

Yeah, he was a lock to be a first-round draft choice this year. He was also a lock not to be the #1 overall choice.

As things stand right now, he has to be the odds-on favorite to be the #1 NFL draft choice in '07. As long as he stays healthy and doesn't shoot himself in the foot next year, that should continue.

Of course, there's a boatload of difference between the money thrown at a #1 pick and the money thrown at a pick in the bottom half of the Top 10. Quinn should be able to make up the money he loses this year before the end of his first pro contract.

But he isn't guaranteed to win anything this fall. Not only is Quinn leaving a lot of money on the table, but I don't think Notre Dame will win the national title, or that Quinn will win the Heisman. In fact, I have five reasons to believe Quinn's senior season won't be dreamy.

1. The Irish have to replace three offensive linemen.

I don't think this is correct, although I could be wrong. In any event, ND alternated six offensive linemen in its starting unit last year, and all of them could be considered de facto starters. So if we lose three, we only have to replace two. And the biggest stud, Ryan Harris, returns.

2. Penn State, Michigan and USC.

I'll take this one one at a time:

Penn State: A nice story last season, to be sure, but given recent history, I think the jury still has to be out on whether this was a one-season wonder. And in any event, Penn State loses more off last year's squad than ND does.

Michigan: ND has won two straight and three of the last four. Not saying that Michigan isn't dangerous, they certainly are, but there's no way you can chalk this one up as an automatic L on ND's schedule.

USC: We all know how much they have to replace from last season. Last year's game let ND know that they can beat this team, and while I may be looking at this one as a homer, for my money this is the year USC's streak ends.

3. The Irish will struggle to cover on defense. Sure, speed has been injected, but it's still young speed. And young speed makes mistakes.

As I've said before, the ranking of ND's secondary is misleading, given that ND frequently got out to big early leads and Weis' philosophy in that situation was to trade scoring drives with the opponent, but make them burn time off the clock and not give up a big play. You're going to give up plenty of passing yards in that situation, although many of them came in situations which didn't hurt ND.

I do agree that this is the unit that'll have to step up its play the most from last season if we're to contend seriously for a national championship. But returning three of four starters in the secondary would seem to point to likely improvement from this unit.

4. Who will be the yin to Jeff Samardzija's yang? Maurice Stovall? Gone. Anthony Fasano? Gone.

Rhema McKnight, if he can rehab successfully from his injury.

In fact, in the part you quoted, he makes fun of ND fans for being band waggon and not knowing where the campus is, yet he states that it's in South Bend, Indiana. Good call Tom. Don't let the fact that you're a bitter Purdue alum/fan get in the way of actually putting facts in your article.

Anytime you see an article bashing ND, it's a pretty safe bet that said article is chock full of factual errors. Here's an oldie but goodie, from that bastion of journalism credentials, the Washington Times, owned by dangerous Moonie cult leader Rev. Sun Myung Moon:

The Blighting Irish

Edit to add: Btw, if you want to get technical about it, I don't think ND is in South Bend. ND has its own post office zip code, and I believe the campus is located outside South Bend city limits, although I could be wrong about the latter. Townies and students do not get along, at all. It was that way before I got there, it was that way when I was there, and it's still that way today.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I'll probably be watching this one at home.

My son is getting to the point where he's old enough to be interested, and I'd like to take him. But he'd be a handful and a half by myself for an entire weekend, particularly when it's 9 hours out and 9 back in the car.

Unfortunately, however, he's a Gators fan, at least for now. Hopefully, he'll outgrow that, unlike T REX.

I hear ya K. my boy is 11 and turned into a crazed football fan this past season. He even was caugth watching espn classic games instead of cartoons- making me burst the ole vest buttons.
Even though he is a special needs kid, I found that he jumped leaps and bounds from age 9-11 as far as developing intrests we could share. Just hang in there your real close with him.

BTW, this weekend he and I will be heading out on his first backpacking trip. packed plenty of granola bars for when he starts melting.

Yeah, he's not far away from becoming a real sports fan. Guess it was the right thing to do not to push it when he didn't get into sports as early as I had hoped.

Have fun on the backpacking trip.

[Killian]

Terry, you hit all the major sticking points in that article. He wanted to be the first to write a non-fluff story on Quinn, yet he failed to research basic facts.

And yes, Notre Dame is in Notre Dame, Indiana.

[Ken]

Penn State: A nice story last season, to be sure, but given recent history, I think the jury still has to be out on whether this was a one-season wonder. And in any event, Penn State loses more off last year's squad than ND does.

Jeezus, Terry. I never really considered you to be one of those domer homers... but with that one, you do nothing but further the notion that domers are, well... kinda full of themselves.

Hey, even as a PSUfan, I can understand where you're coming from regading PSU. But only a true domer homer would apply the logic you used to PSU, but not ND.

Yes, ND has been nothing short of a MNC contender for almost 10 years running.
:onebigeffingrolleyes:

[PSUFAN]

I agree that after 4 fairly rotten seasons, PSU has to follow last year's success with a solid showing in '06 before we can Sharpie them into the top 10. Myself, I'm very hopeful...but just sayin'...

[Ken]

Hey, like I said, I can understand where terry's coming from. Can't say I disagree... and won't argue the point.

I just wanna know why he holds ND to a different standard. Oh wait... I think I know why

[Killian]

Hey, like I said, I can understand where terry's coming from. Can't say I disagree... and won't argue the point.

I just wanna know why he holds ND to a different standard. Oh wait... I think I know why

Probably because ND returns almost all of the key players from a team that went to the Fieast Bowl last season, while Penn State loses so much on both offense and defense.

[Ken]

Probably because ND returns almost all of the key players from a team that went to the Fieast Bowl last season, while Penn State loses so much on both offense and defense.

Well, that would be all fine and dandy if Terry's primary point wasn't:

A nice story last season, to be sure, but given recent history, I think the jury still has to be out on whether this was a one-season wonder.

Care to comment on that?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Hey, like I said, I can understand where terry's coming from. Can't say I disagree... and won't argue the point.

I just wanna know why he holds ND to a different standard. Oh wait... I think I know why

Well, unlike Penn State, we did have a coaching change . . . Most people seem to think ND has at least started to turn the corner under Weis, and even the talking heads that were predicting a 0-6 start for ND last year seemed to think it would happen eventually, but last year's schedule was too rough for Weis to start.

General point taken, though -- we do need to put at least one more successful season together before it's safe to say that we're back on track.

[Killian]

Care to comment on that?

Sure.

Over the last 6 years, Penn State has had 2 seasons of .500 or better, 2002 and 2005.

I know your point was that ND could equally be looked at as a one year wonder, but in the same time period, they've had 4 seasons of .500 ball or better; '00,'02,'04 and '05.

And if you go back to '99, Penn State's good teams have all been Sr (5th year) laden teams who have played together for a few years and all have plenty of game experience. Recently, it's been a pretty consistant cycle with Penn State:

'99 - Very good team with upper class talent, underclassmen just starting to see the field.
'00 & '01 - Said underclassmen cutting their teeth, underperfoming by PSU standards.
'02 - Said underclassmen are now upperclass talent with plenty of experience. Very good team with new underclassmen just starting to see the field.
'03 & '04 - New underclassmen cutting their teeth, underperforming by PSU standards.
'05 - New underclassmen are now upperclass talent, great team with yet another new group of underclassmen starting to see the field.

While the last two classes have been very good (Williams/King and this past year) and you have some talent from the previous classes (Poz and Conner), Penn State appears to be headed into a down turn for two years, based on their recent history. And while your young skill players are exceptional players, I'm less than sold on Morelli and he is the one that has to get them the ball. That coupled with replacing the entire defensive backfield and 3 or 4 defensive lineman, and I think it's safe to say that as of now, next year is a wait and see type of season.

While ND has by no means been perfect, they have been very sporadic. They will have a great season ('00 and '02), return much of their talent the next year, and then totally tank. After their tank season and losing much of their talent, they have a great season. So this may appear to be the ND cycle, I believe the variable is coaching. Davie and Willingham were not strong coaches and had a history of not being able to handle success. While not the head coach, Weis has had a history of building off of success.

Both teams may have to prove that '05 wasn't a fluke, but to me the onus is more on Penn State than ND.

[PSUFAN]

I think that finally, we might have a good matchup on our hands. PSU's AD has tried to schedule some classic matchups for recent season, but the teams haven't played along very well. PSU and Nebraska have had their ups and downs, and Alabama and PSU failed to materialize.

This season, PSU and ND stand to be pretty darn good football teams on the rise. Should be a good early season matchup.

[Ken]

Hey, like I said, I can understand where terry's coming from. Can't say I disagree... and won't argue the point.

I just wanna know why he holds ND to a different standard. Oh wait... I think I know why

Well, unlike Penn State, we did have a coaching change . . . Most people seem to think ND has at least started to turn the corner under Weis...

So, you're putting more stock into a NEW coach and less into one that's regarded as one of the most successful and best in the history of CFB?

Gotcha.

[Ken]

Killian,
Seriously, I didn't read a single, full sentence from your post. Terry understood where I was coming from and addressed it, understanding my point.

Let's make this plain and simple for you...
BOTH ND and PSU have performed under par from quite some time now. BOTH have something to prove after one succesful season. NEITHER can be considered 'over the hump' yet.

Yes, you're ND, but no, you're not getting a free pass.

[Ken]

FWIW, I just did go back and read a bit of your post, killian.

For your next trick, will you be reading tea leaves to predict next season?

Stop with the trends already.

[PSUFAN]

For PSU's down years, I believe there wasn't much coaching happening at all, at least on offense. Joe clasped his yellow sheet of 3-5 plays and ran the single wing, as he was not exactly confident of the players he had at his disposal.

If Joe Paterno was well-suited to call an offensive gameplan, PSU might have 2-3 more MNCs in the case. Galen Hall's influence, if not playcalling directly, has definitely constituted a coaching change of sorts. If the process continues in '06, with the talent available, PSU might be a very good offensive football squad.

[Killian]

Yep Ken, that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm reading tea leaves.

You wanted an explanation, I gave you one. Not my issue if you didn't like the explanation. I came to the same conslusion Terry did, just read the last lines of my post.

Sure, ND has a lot to prove next year. They have even more to prove in '07, when they will be replacing nearly everyone on offense, and much of their defense.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Hey, like I said, I can understand where terry's coming from. Can't say I disagree... and won't argue the point.

I just wanna know why he holds ND to a different standard. Oh wait... I think I know why

Well, unlike Penn State, we did have a coaching change . . . Most people seem to think ND has at least started to turn the corner under Weis...

So, you're putting more stock into a NEW coach and less into one that's regarded as one of the most successful and best in the history of CFB?

Gotcha.

No question, Joe Paterno WAS a great coach, and he deserves to be inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame based on his career. But it seems as though the game has passed him by.

Wasn't all that long ago that nearly every Penn State fan was calling for his head. Weren't you in that group as well?

[Ken]

FWIW, I was on the fence. Towards the end of last season, I was definitely leaning towards him stepping aside. But all this is completely inconsequential to the topic at hand, eh?

Clearly, the game has not passed Joe by. Wouldn't you agree? If you don't want to agree, that's fine. But it's still kinda shortsighted to flat out say the game has pssed Joe by. Proof of that is three fold:

1. Willingness to not just PLAY true freshman, but let them be stars.
2. Changing of recruiting goals.
3. Opening up the offense and realizing that he needed to allow his coordinators to do just that... coordinate.

So, I think it's pretty clear that Joe is still a pretty darned good coach. A hall of fame coach to boot. Yet, domer fan still puts more stock in a second year coach rather than in Joe... a 40 yr. coach.

I wonder if you'da been saying the same things about Willingham in preparation for HIS 2nd year at the helm of ND... just illustrating this prototypical example of shortsightedness.

[Killian]

Nope. Most didn't buy into Willingham because of his propensity to get blown out and the fact that too many of his wins his first year came because of a fluke bounce here or there (Purdue, Michigan, MSU, and Navy). After the Washington State game, I was convinced he would fail.

At this point, I don't think Joe is doing too much coaching. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said his coordinators are doing most of the coaching/play calling.

[Ken]

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said his coordinators are doing most of the coaching/play calling.

Which of course means the game has passed Joe by.
Is this an appropriate place for one of those rolleye thingys?

[Killian]

I never said that the game passed him by. But if his coaches are doing the coaching/play calling, and he has taken a Bobby Bowden roll, then I would rather have Weis than Paterno. And I would rather have Weis than PSU's OC.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Another totally ignorant take from Schmick's source . . .

90 percent of them didn't attend school there . . .

Well, thank you for clearing that one up, Marcus. ND is hardly one of these megalithic land-grant state universities with 50,000+ undergrads. In fact, in terms of enrollment, ND is one of the smallest schools in Division 1-A. Not the smallest, certainly, but I'm all but certain that we're among the 20 or so smallest out of the 119 1-A schools.

Even among private schools, we're by no means the biggest. USC, Miami and Syracuse -- all private schools -- each has a significantly higher enrollment than ND.

Smaller enrollment = fewer alumni. Previously, I estimated about 150,000 living ND alumni, based on ND awarding approximately 2,000 undergrad degrees and 1,000 graduate degrees per year, and an average post-graduation life expectancy of 50 years. If anything, all three of these factors are probably generous, although none is outrageously so.

Now, to factor in the writer's 90% comment, 150,000 x 10 = 1.5 million. Does anyone realistically think that ND ever would have been considered for a TV contract if it couldn't bring at least 1.5 million fans to the table?