Welcome to the New Reich (Spellcheck courtesy of PSU)

[WhatsMyName]

I listened to it. Do you deny there is a left wing bias, yes or no? Let's start there.

Left wing bias? Where? When the teacher was condemning the bombing of the Sudan by Clinton? When he was reading the definition of Capitalism from the dictionary verbatim?

No, please do feel free to offer a holistic analysis of this lecture that shows where the bias is.

And no, disagreeing with the present Administration is not in and of itself "left wing bias".

Fine, let's toss out semantics.

Is there an overt political bias, however you want to categorize it. Yes or no?

[Van]

Bsmack, the very second someone attempts to draw any comparisons between Bush and Hitler they reveal both an over the top left wing bias and an amazingly obtuse grasp of historical facts and no, I wouldn't want him spewing anywhere near my kid...much less wasting my kids' time by spewing that nonsense when he's supposed to be teaching geography.

Bare minimum, such a moron needs to be teaching Poly-Sci, not high school geography. Yes, they are two different subjects. There are elements of the latter in the former but his first and only priority at the high school level is to teach the latter. Also, he really only ought to be spewing such drivel in a monitored and parentally approved private school setting, rather than using our tax dollars to do it...

[BSmack]

Fine, let's toss out semantics. Is there an overt political bias, however you want to categorize it. Yes or no?

I heard absolutely no endorsement of any particular political system or party in that 20 minute lecture. If you did, you have an over active imagination.

[Van]

I listened to it. Do you deny there is a left wing bias, yes or no? Let's start there.

Left wing bias? Where? When the teacher was condemning the bombing of the Sudan by Clinton? When he was reading the definition of Capitalism from the dictionary verbatim?

No, please do feel free to offer a holistic analysis of this lecture that shows where the bias is.

And no, disagreeing with the present Administration is not in and of itself "left wing bias".

No, but comparing Bush to Hitler is, and an incredible one at that, and anyone with two working brain cells wouldn't even attempt to deny it with a straight face.

[WhatsMyName]

Fine, let's toss out semantics. Is there an overt political bias, however you want to categorize it. Yes or no?

I heard absolutely no endorsement of any particular political system or party in that 20 minute lecture. If you did, you have an over active imagination.

I didn't ask you if there was an endorsement of a political system or a party. I asked you if there was an overt political bias. Yes or no?

[BSmack]

And no, disagreeing with the present Administration is not in and of itself "left wing bias".

No, but comparing Bush to Hitler is, and an incredible one at that, and anyone with two working brain cells wouldn't even attempt to deny it with a straight face.

No, invoking the "slippery slope" argument is quite logical when looking back on the last 4 years of American history. Lemme see, wars of premptive agression, limits on personal liberty, spying on American on American soil without warrants.....

Starting to see the trend?

Furthermore, not every person who thinks poorly of Bush is a liberal. Or maybe you missed this?

Bush saw a 12-point decline, one of his biggest among any demographic segment, to 26 percent in his overall job approval among those earning less than $40,000 a year. Among Republicans in this income group, his approval rating fell 16 points, to 60 percent.

Damn those liburals!

[BSmack]

Fine, let's toss out semantics. Is there an overt political bias, however you want to categorize it. Yes or no?

I heard absolutely no endorsement of any particular political system or party in that 20 minute lecture. If you did, you have an over active imagination.

I didn't ask you if there was an endorsement of a political system or a party. I asked you if there was an overt political bias. Yes or no?

If there is no endorsement of a political system or party, how are you determining that there IS bias? paranoid much?

[poptart]

Look fans, 95% of the 10th graders didn't hear a damn word the left-wing fruit was carrying on about.

Be it thinking about buttering the head cheerleader's buns, sneeking off to the parking lot to fire up a doob', or finding a way to get the pesky zit on the tip of their nose to go squish, they were thinking of SOMETHING other than this dipshit's ranting diatribe.

Dude who taped the teach' is king nerd.

File this one under no harm no foul.

[velocet]

I know you're asking BSmack, but imo Bennish sounded as though he wouldn't mind it too terribly should his students go beyond merely questioning whether or not the US is imperialistic or the merits of capitalism (dude was nice and sly with his indirect reference to communism).

And his method completely screamed "counterstories!!!

What are counterstories? Some bullshit that radical lefties dreamed up in order to win battles in the race/culture wars.



Damaged Identities, Narrative Repair

^This foul book is a primary source.


Counterstories


So was it an overtly political indoctrination session?
No, imo. Dude is too savy for that. Covert, maybe.





velocet

[The Seer]

This "teacher" compares Bush to Hitler, and later states that Israel is the terrorist and the Palestinians the innocent victims...




Who's the principal of that school?

Chief Ward Churchill?

[Van]

And no, disagreeing with the present Administration is not in and of itself "left wing bias".

No, but comparing Bush to Hitler is, and an incredible one at that, and anyone with two working brain cells wouldn't even attempt to deny it with a straight face.

No, invoking the "slippery slope" argument is quite logical when looking back on the last 4 years of American history. Lemme see, wars of premptive agression, limits on personal liberty, spying on American on American soil without warrants.....

Starting to see the trend?

Furthermore, not every person who thinks poorly of Bush is a liberal. Or maybe you missed this?

Bush saw a 12-point decline, one of his biggest among any demographic segment, to 26 percent in his overall job approval among those earning less than $40,000 a year. Among Republicans in this income group, his approval rating fell 16 points, to 60 percent.

Damn those liburals!

People have been making that argument since the halcyon rebellion days of the 50's and 60's and no, we're no closer to Hitler's Nazi Germany than we ever were.

Pure pandering nonsense.

Apples and fucking kumquats.

[WhatsMyName]

I heard absolutely no endorsement of any particular political system or party in that 20 minute lecture. If you did, you have an over active imagination.

I didn't ask you if there was an endorsement of a political system or a party. I asked you if there was an overt political bias. Yes or no?

If there is no endorsement of a political system or party, how are you determining that there IS bias?

So in your opinion, you can only be biased if you endorse a certain system or party, is this correct?

So if he were to condemn a position - as opposed to endorsing a position - that would not be biased? Is this what you're saying.

And the implication was that the solution to violence in the middle east is democratization. The implication through (Bush's) language was that democracies don't go to war. Democracies aren't violent. Democracies won't want weapons of mass destruction. This is called blind, naive faith in democracy."

That is the teacher condemning the Bush administration's position, without endorsing an alternative.

To you this isn't a bias, right?

[chowd103]

We've all had teachers we disagreed with. That's a good thing, because kids are then challenged to galvanize their thoughts in opposition. It's not good for them to just sit there and nod.

Rack this teacher.

I couldn't agree more.

Remember those days when you sucked and it hurt like hell?
It made you strive to get better. Spend more time, maybe working on your swing, maybe work on your wrist shot, maybe hit the books a little bit harder.

Naw, that shit's out the window.
Society will conform.

Let's pass everyone. School sucks bad enough, let's just get 'em the fuck outta here.

Grade tests?
-Are you insane?

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Let's give all the kids a trophy. Even the 7th place, Beecroft Chevorlet little pissants.

(sup Jack? :wink: )

This country is whack!

[PSUFAN]

Congrats, tards. We've just listened to 20 minutes of one of the guy's lectures, after which we've been self-qualified to comment on his teaching style overall.

Why is it that Colorado is always the stage for these stories? Could it be that the state is overwhelmingly knee-jerk in just about every aspect you could name? What happened to you people?

Sometimes people will have opinions that differ from yours. Surprisingly, this is a good thing. Even if America is the best nation on Earth according to almost every conceivable measurement, it's best to come to that conclusion as a result of learning and analysis, rather than simple egomania - a point that seems to elude TTB, in particular.

This kid is being "fed" a variety of things...obviously he's so well familiar with Hannity-esque talking points that he's had the ahem wherewithal to record this lecture to play it to his jack-booted friends. To imagine that he's gobbling up whatever he's being exposed to is to imagine a lie.

As for all of your abject weeping about "bias"...STFU, pussies. Are you and this kid too stupid to analyze what you encounter, and come to your own conclusions? It's time you fucking learned. Your fellow Americans need you to get smarter.

Oh, and RACK Poptart.

[WhatsMyName]

A teacher's job is to teach a student how to think, not what to think.

[PSUFAN]

A teacher's job is to teach a student how to think, not what to think.

Their best efforts sure didn't take with you.

Real simple like - the kid who is presented with a mindset that opposes his own is challenged to understand it, to analyze it. He is being taught to think. Are there guns trained on him, waiting on his response? Of course not. It is useful to encounter opposing viewpoints.

Obviously the kid didn't swallow the lecture or prior ones whole, did he? Stop flapping your wings about nothing.

[WhatsMyName]

Are you and this kid too stupid to analyze what you encounter, and come to your own conclusions?

No, I'm just disappointed that I myself had to be indoctrinated instead of taught when I actually had to pay for my own college education.

[PSUFAN]

So, you admit to being indoctrinated? How much of what you were "indoctrinated" with has actually become a part of your belief system? Do you regard yourself a victim?

Did you really pay for your college education in order to hear what you wanted to hear in your survey-level classes?

Foolishness.

[PSUFAN]

Another thing you idiots really need to understand...

Why are there so many people in education that don't fit into your foxnews mold? Because the foxnews schtick that you seek to live by is IDIOTIC. You are irritated by free-thinking, intelligent individuals, but the reality of it is, those are exactly the folks who should be teaching our young - not teaching them a particular political viewpoint, but teaching them to consider as many different perspectives as possible, to develop a system of analysis, to become critical thinkers, to be able to be presented with perspectives that are discordant with their own, and to be able to survive this.

[War Wagon]

Stop flapping your wings about nothing.

Good advice, counselor. You should take it.

'tart, the kids are too busy text messaging each other on their parents dime to even give a fuck what the hell else is going on around them.

[WhatsMyName]

So, you admit to being indoctrinated? How much of what you were "indoctrinated" with has actually become a part of your belief system? Do you regard yourself a victim?

1. Absolutely (check the definition of the word).
2. This question is irrelevant. Here's a question that is relevant: "Could anyone - not just me, but anyone - have this indoctrination become part of their belief system, and could that shape society down the road?" I would answer yes.

I would also argue that indoctrination encourages students who already agree with the teacher to stop thinking critically and become more close minded.

Would it kill the teacher to just facilitate the learning process?

3. I would say some others are greater victims than I, and some of these people are a threat to the country when in large numbers.

Did you really pay for your college education in order to hear what you wanted to hear in your survey-level classes?

No. I paid for college to learn things on my own without the help of a preacher. If I want to be preached to, I'd go to church. If I want to learn, I go to a school.

[PSUFAN]

Aha...what a surprise! You've emerged from this process a freethinker, despite all efforts at indoctrination.



You expected to pay for an education that didn't challenge you - one that didn't challenge you politically, at any rate. What you're asking for, with all of your whining about "bias", actually is indoctrination.

[PSUFAN]

As a product of the Cherry Creek school system and having been exposed to liberal bias in college

Oh Boo Fucking Hoo. You didn't agree with what you were presented with while you were being educated. What a pity, you poor self-absorbed pussy.

[Diego in Seattle]

Where pmsgal derived his idea of how geography should be taught......

[TenTallBen]

I think the problem here is the many definitions of the word "Freethinker."

Everybody on all sides claim that if you don't think like them then you are not a "freethinker."

In reality everyone is a freethinker. I'm free to think that PissUDave is a fucking retard and he is free to think the same of me. I don't give a fuck. I do think, though, that he is more likely to have PSUjr come home from school one day and profess that his openmindedness has led him to fall into a sexual relationship with a Buick. It's all good because that kind of thinking is outta the fucking box baby!

Oh and here is some info from the school's website...

>> Social Studies

Department Coordinator:
Gerry Camilli

This department offers a wide variety of courses such as World Geography, Western Civilization, AP European History, Social Studies 11-American Studies, AP Human Geography, United States History & Government, AP American History, Introduction to Psychology, Contemporary Issues, The American Dream & Economics, and Comparative World Religions. Students must receive 2 1/2 units of social studies credit in order to graduate.

Almost every one of those classes you can make an arguement for the teachers actions, but World Geography?? Puhleeze.

http://blazernet.ccsd.k12.co.us/

[Diego in Seattle]

That teacher has an agenda and it is Anti-American

Any moron who equates analysis of a president's performance to "Anti-American" has no business taking part in a political discussion.

[PSUFAN]

he is more likely to have PSUjr come home from school one day and profess that his openmindedness has led him to fall into a sexual relationship with a Buick.

If that's your belief, then you're an idiot. What's more, PSUjr, at age 7, has definitely passed you from an intellectual developmental standpoint.

Rack him.

[War Wagon]

blah blah blah

blah blah blah

You 'tards need to shut up and listen for a change.

"tart and I will tell you what to think in due course.

[BSmack]

I know you're asking BSmack, but imo Bennish sounded as though he wouldn't mind it too terribly should his students go beyond merely questioning whether or not the US is imperialistic or the merits of capitalism (dude was nice and sly with his indirect reference to communism).

I think he would have been very happy to see his one neocon student step off the Bush talking points memo and think for himself. His whole point was that we, as a nation, are completely ignoring the perspective of the nations we interact with. Furthermore, he is arguing in a quite convincing manner that capitalism needs to be understood for what it is, a system designed to enrich those who own the means of production with, in it's purest form, no regard whatsoever for the human costs so long as those costs do not adversely affect the bottom line.

These are not ideological concepts. These are basic and fundamental truths that, if we were an educated country, all 17 year olds would understand.

And his method completely screamed "counterstories!!!

What are counterstories? Some bullshit that radical lefties dreamed up in order to win battles in the race/culture wars.

I guess when you can't attack his facts, attack his style?

[TenTallBen]

What's more, PSUjr, at age 7

So you're saying that if he grows up and decides for whatever reason, that republicans/capitalitsts, in all of their glory, are the way and the light for him as adult; that you wouldn't have a problem with that as a commie lib pinko yourself?

[PSUFAN]

None whatsoever. I am certan that he'll live an examined life. He already is very inquisitive, and wants to discover why things are the way they are. Whatever conclusions he comes to as an adult will undoubtably be based on reasoning, analysis, and reflection.

Whether or not his viewpoints mirror my own (and they almost certainly won't) is beside the point, for me. He'll be able to explain them to me rationally, and I'll be able to disagree rationally. Throughout our lives, we'll probably continue to learn from a consideration of each others' viewpoints.

I don't expect any of this to make sense to you, though. Clearly labels are what you feel most comfortable with. Labels are things that idiot douchebags like you cling to with all of your might, because actually using your mind hurts too much.

[Van]

Any moron who in any way equates George Bush with Adolph Hitler has no business taking part in a political discussion...and he sure as hell shouldn't be standing in front of a high school geography class offering up pointed and asinine political editorials to fifteen year olds.

You're welcome.

[BSmack]

People have been making that argument since the halcyon rebellion days of the 50's and 60's and no, we're no closer to Hitler's Nazi Germany than we ever were.

We were comming awfuly close in the early 50s. Thanks in great measure to the rebels of the 50s and 60s, we avoided that fate. I wish I could be as certain about our not so distant future.

[TenTallBen]

Labels are things that idiot douchebags like you cling to with all of your might, because actually using your mind hurts too much.

Pot meet kettle much?

[War Wagon]

Labels are things that idiot douchebags like you cling to with all of your might...

Said the labeler.

Here's a lesson you might want to teach. When decrying labels, don't use them yourself...or else you'll be labeled as a hypocritical bitch.

No way that I'm the first to impart this basic tenet.

I'm thinking that the "liberal commie" label fits you rather well.

[PSUFAN]

I rest my case, TTB.

[BSmack]

Labels are things that idiot douchebags like you cling to with all of your might...

Said the labeler.

Here's a lesson you might want to teach. When decrying labels, don't use them yourself...or else you'll be labeled as a hypocritical bitch.

No way that I'm the first to impart this basic tenet.

I'm thinking that the "liberal commie" label fits you rather well.

So if I see a tree, should I not call it a tree?

[PSUFAN]

When decrying labels, don't use them yourself...or else you'll be labeled as a hypocritical bitch.

I'm sorry if you can't distinguish between an insult and a political label. More to the point, though...I'm not decrying his use of labels...I'm simply pointing out that because his analysis screams to a stop with their usage, he's an idiot.

[Spinach Genie]

Punished for expressing a partisan thrust in a high school classroom? No. Punished for calling himself a "teacher" and attempting to draw parallels between Bush and Hitler? Definitely. Anyone who even attempts to do so with any bit of sincerity is a fucking moron. Not suprising to see the likes of Dins and Bsmackless on that list.

The guy should just count his lucky stars he didn't say the word 'Jesus' out loud. Every ACLU lawyer within 500 miles would have swooped in for the attack.

[TenTallBen]

I'm sorry if you can't distinguish between an insult and a political label.

Like those two things aren't one in the same. Show me one lib who has used the term "neocon" in a positive way and I'll show you a picture of Al Franken taking it up the ass by Sean Hannity.

Get over it and get over yourself. Not to go dins or anything, but both sides of the political spectrum make me want to yak. I just tend to lean one way more than the other.