Vince is getting called out.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:31 pm

By Jason Whitlock
Special to Page 2, ESPN

You have to wonder whether Vince Young knows what job he's applying for, or if he even realizes that he is "applying" for a job.

Vince Young's got some things to learn if he's going to succeed in the NFL.
The NFL doesn't recruit starting quarterbacks. It's not the Marines out looking for a few good men. When it comes to picking its quarterbacks, The League is Halle Berry on Oscar night. She can pick any designer she pleases, and the world's most renowned designers are just grateful for the opportunity to be considered.

Vince Young doesn't get this. He thinks joining the NFL will be similar to joining the NCAA. He mistakenly believes he's holding all (or most of) the cards, and that come April's draft some lucky GM is going to feel like a lottery winner when Vince Young stands next to Paul Tagliabue and pulls on a Saints or Texans or Titans cap.

Vince Young is clueless. And I'm not talking about his score on the Wonderlic test. I'm talking about his understanding of what it takes to make it in the NFL as a quarterback.

Humility is the No. 1 ingredient.

The most prestigious and most difficult job in all of sports -- NFL quarterback -- is played at a high level by the men willing to humble themselves and prepare like each Sunday is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

This isn't the NBA, and Young isn't Shaquille O'Neal. You don't get the first half of the season to play your way into shape. It's not Major League Baseball, and Young isn't Roger Clemens. You don't get to stay at home with your family on certain road trips.

This isn't the University of Texas, and Young is no longer able to rely on his superior athleticism and instincts to outduel his competitors.

Young's success in the NFL will hinge almost exclusively on his willingness to prepare. And that's exactly what Young's Wonderlic score and other curious decisions call into question -- his will to prepare and his level of humility.

The fact that Young had to take the Wonderlic twice in order to score a 16 is an indication to me that Young did not prepare for the test, particularly the first time. That speaks to Young's arrogance. So does his choice in representation and his decision to visit the president and the White House sans sports coat and tie.

Are you following me?

When you have a chance at being the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, securing a $25 million signing bonus and landing one of the 32 most important jobs in professional sports, you don't pick a family friend and local criminal defense attorney (Major Adams) to head up your campaign.

That's not keeping it real. It's foolish and arrogant. It raises questions about your decision-making and maturity.

Now, had Young wanted to give Major Adams a break, Young could've easily stipulated to any experienced potential agent that Adams work as co-counsel. A deal such as this would've provided Adams with a tremendous learning experience and protected Young's interest.

It would've given Team Vince, the loosely formed management posse representing Young, some much-needed professionalism. A seasoned agent might be able to explain to Young the difference between being an NFL quarterback and an NBA small forward.

Small forwards travel with posses decked out in white T's, bling bling and agents in sweat suits. NFL quarterbacks don't.

Young was on top of the world a couple months ago -- things have changed.

When Young hit radio row at Super Bowl XL with posse and Major Adams in tow, that was the first time I sensed that Young might not grasp that the rules are different for QBs and DBs. When I learned that the leader of Young's posse (and the man calling the real shots for Team Vince) is a longtime friend and Houston nightclub owner who goes by the nickname "Black," that's when I told a friend to keep an eye on Young's draft stock.

"It's gonna dip."

A starting NFL quarterback is the face of a billion-dollar corporation. He is one of the three or four highest-profile individuals in his city and perhaps in his state. His every move is cussed, discussed and analyzed by millions of people who don't have a clue about playing the position.

It's impossible to exaggerate just how much more important the NFL is than every other sport in this country. Vince Young foolishly thinks that the Texas Longhorns and Mack Brown are more important than the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak. Young thinks playing USC for the national championship was real pressure.

Playing quarterback in the NFL is the equivalent of getting in the sack with Jenna Jameson. Oh, everybody wants to do it, but it can be an incredibly humbling and "short" experience.

Just ask Ryan Leaf or countless other can't-miss prospects. Michael Vick is in the process of getting humbled. He was supposed to reinvent the position. I don't believe the position will ever be reinvented. The guys who have consistent success will always be the guys who prepare the hardest.

Before any NFL owner gives Young a bunch of guaranteed dollars, the general manager better make sure Young is going to hit the film room and practice field just as hard as Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady. The GM also should make sure that the head coach and offensive coordinator -- not some let's-hit-the-strip-clubs posse member -- have the ear of the quarterback.

Playing QB in The League is a different animal.

It's an honor. So far, Vince Young isn't treating it like an honor. He's treating it like it's his right, granted to him by an MVP performance in the Rose Bowl. You can be a fool and argue that Young proved all he needed to prove in Texas' upset of USC. Hmm. Didn't Redskins running back Tim Smith and Cowboys cornerback Larry Brown have big games on football's biggest stage and later prove to be frauds? And what don't people understand about the concept that NFL quarterbacks have to prove themselves week to week?

Right now Young is proving that he doesn't have the necessary intangibles to thrive as a starting QB. He carries himself like a wide receiver.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:35 pm

^^Rack it.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:49 pm

He may be 100% correct, but fuck Jason Whitlock.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:53 pm

It's hard to disagree with most of that article.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:29 pm

I heard Vince isnt going to run or do any agility drills at the Pro Day?

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:47 pm

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Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:21 pm

Jimmy Medalions wrote:
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Hey jimmy, where was this post when Vince was kicking the shit out of your condoms?

Whitlock is a complete ass who hates all things Texas, this is just his chance at another Texas blast.

Since when does it take a humble guy to play QB? How many NFL QBs would be considered humble? Playing QB is about leadership and last time I checked it was Vince who organized off-season workouts that turned out to be the building blocks of this championship season. Vince is the greatest leader to ever put on a college football uniform.

How does a poor choice in representation equal arrogance?

No one is happy with Vince's choice in representation but it has nothing to do with Mack or the Program. IMO it has more to do with trying to make his family happy. I do agree that his representation has made a ton of mistakes like not telling him to pack a suit on his trip to Washington, but remember he was back east when at the last minute he decided to swing over to DC to join his teammates.

These attacks on Vince are getting stupid, it seems everyone that hates Texas is taking the opportunity to get their shots in. The biggest haters are Bayless, Haynes, and Whitlock.

Snake · Post by **Snake** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:21 pm

Andre Ware was a better pro pospect than Vince "what color are that other team wearin" Young.............................

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:00 am

"Greatest leader to ever put on a college football uniform."

hyperbole much?

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:08 am

Even as a Texas fan, I'm starting to get leary of VY in the NFL. He has given a vey good impression thus far. I wish him the best, but I really think he is going to be very mediocre in the NFL.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:32 am

Vito Corleone wrote:Vince is the greatest leader to ever put on a college football uniform.

Is that why he was 0-2 against a white boy with no knees and no arm (according to texass fan)?

Jimmy Harris 31-0, 2 National Titles >>>>>>>>>>> Vince Young 34-4, 1 national title.

Vito doesn't have Puke Brown shades he has Puke Brown corneas.

War Stoops · Post by **War Stoops** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:35 am

Killian, I couldn't have said it any better than that.

Fuck

Jason

Whitlock

Shawn Marion · Post by **Shawn Marion** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:15 am

Vito Corleone wrote: I do agree that his representation has made a ton of mistakes like not telling him to pack a suit on his trip to Washington, but remember he was back east when at the last minute he decided to swing over to DC to join his teammates.

We've all heard the Men's Warehouse commercials. They'll open up the store in the middle of the night for you and put you into a suit in 30 minutes.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:54 pm

Shawn Marion wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote: I do agree that his representation has made a ton of mistakes like not telling him to pack a suit on his trip to Washington, but remember he was back east when at the last minute he decided to swing over to DC to join his teammates.
We've all heard the Men's Warehouse commercials. They'll open up the store in the middle of the night for you and put you into a suit in 30 minutes.

I'm sure he passed a few bums that were wearing suits as well. He could have bought one off them for a half bottle of MD 20/20

If you were Vince Young would you go to the Men's Warehouse? Sometimes its better to have no suit than a wine-o suit.

Here is a link to a 4 part interview he did with Channel 5 in Austin.

Vince Young Interview

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:44 pm

Dammit! I just missed. I had 5 posts from the original before Vito came riding in on a white horse to save Vincy from those that try to impinge his character.

Legacy5.5 · Post by **Legacy5.5** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:15 pm

Jason Whitlock's sole motivation is to hear himself speak and piss as many people off as possible to make a name for himself. He has been doing it since his Ball State paper days.

The whole article is bullshit. Is Vince making poor decisions? Maybe, but it doesn't fucking matter. If Jason thinks that a GM is going to pass on VY because of the company he keeps he's more handicapped than even I thought. VY will get his opportunity and his big contract. It is then up to Vince to prove that he can play. If he can then he will contiue to bank, if he can't then hello Ryan Leaf.

Ricky Williams made some of the most dumbass moves ever in respect to representation. He was drafted high, played well for the duration of that shitty contract, then signed a fat deal with Miami.

Bottom line: If you can play, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:32 pm

He`'s a Ball State Alum? Cursing for shaming us.

Sincerely,
Nolesy and David letterman

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:30 pm

Has VY made some questionable decisions? Sure, and the article points out two of them, no suit and his agent.

But most of the rest of that is just trash? Comparing him to Shaq? Vince is a freak and in great shape. And I don't see him saying that he will leave his team if he is pulled from a game.

Typical media though, make one valid point or two and then fill with crap that is way out there.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:36 pm

Left Seater wrote:Has VY made some questionable decisions? Sure, and the article points out two of them, no suit and his agent.

But most of the rest of that is just trash? Comparing him to Shaq? Vince is a freak and in great shape. And I don't see him saying that he will leave his team if he is pulled from a game.

Typical media though, make one valid point or two and then fill with crap that is way out there.

It's a step up for Whitlock. Usually he doesn't even make 1 good point.

When are you going to be in town?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:01 pm

I'm surprised Whitlock didn't mention how KC barbeque is better than Texas barbeque. That seems to be a big issue for him.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:14 pm

I'm surprised that you didn't mention your insider sources that say Adrian Peterson was selling crack. but, now, i guess your a big proponent of verification first.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:29 pm

King Crimson wrote:I'm surprised that you didn't mention your insider sources that say Adrian Peterson was selling crack. but, now, i guess your a big proponent of verification first.

Wow, nice blast. Totally forgot about that. Rack.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:35 pm

In Detroit the evening of the 5th and then again on Saturday night.

Where are we drinking?

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:42 pm

Uh. Norman. Where am I always drinking...? :D

the_ouskull

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:21 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:
King Crimson wrote:I'm surprised that you didn't mention your insider sources that say Adrian Peterson was selling crack. but, now, i guess your a big proponent of verification first.
Don't forget about his bad attitude and how he wanted to transfer.

The Boosters pay better and Barry Switzer sends spies as well.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:05 am

Vito Corleone wrote:I'm surprised Whitlock didn't mention how KC barbeque is better than Texas barbeque. That seems to be a big issue for him.

actually memphis BBQ is better than both

Matt Leinart only went 37-2 with 2 national titles.... and will be a better NFL QB than Young

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:15 am

King Crimson wrote:I'm surprised that you didn't mention your insider sources that say Adrian Peterson was selling crack. but, now, i guess your a big proponent of verification first.

any and every peterson rumor I posted came with the word rumor next to it, I never said I had anything more than 3rd hand rumors.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:18 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:I'm surprised Whitlock didn't mention how KC barbeque is better than Texas barbeque. That seems to be a big issue for him.

actually memphis BBQ is better than both

Matt Leinart only went 37-2 with 2 national titles.... and will be a better NFL QB than Young

Memphis BBQ? If its anything like Nashville BBQ then you haven't been to Austin. Nashville BBQ sucks.

Too bad for you that Leinart wasn't as good a college QB as Young was he might have gone 38-1. VY ended his career 30-2.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:14 am

Can't speak about Nashville BBQ since I have never had it, have had BBQ in Austin and Kansas City and neither came close to the BBQ places in downtown Memphis, I havent had any that has compared to it.

Leinart was a better college QB than Young, have USC and Texas change Defenses in the RB and the score isnt close.

Leinarts win % was .948, Youngs was .894.

Hopefully Leinarts stock will drop enough for him to wind up with the Titans and Chow

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:24 am

Vito Corleone wrote:
King Crimson wrote:I'm surprised that you didn't mention your insider sources that say Adrian Peterson was selling crack. but, now, i guess your a big proponent of verification first.
any and every peterson rumor I posted came with the word rumor next to it, I never said I had anything more than 3rd hand rumors.

that didn't stop you from posting it, did it?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:07 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:Can't speak about Nashville BBQ since I have never had it, have had BBQ in Austin and Kansas City and neither came close to the BBQ places in downtown Memphis, I havent had any that has compared to it.

Leinart was a better college QB than Young, have USC and Texas change Defenses in the RB and the score isnt close.

Leinarts win % was .948, Youngs was .894.

Hopefully Leinarts stock will drop enough for him to wind up with the Titans and Chow

If Vince had Leinarts receivers back in 2k4 he might have finished his college career 32-0. I don't know how you think Leinart was better than Vince? Vince didn't have an AA receiver and a heisman RB in the back field, but Vince did lead the NCAA in passing efficiency, and he is 100X better runner than Leinart. So how again is Leinart a better QB. Lets also not forget he played better defenses than Leinart did in 2k5.

I personally don't think it was even close.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:09 am

King Crimson wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:
King Crimson wrote:I'm surprised that you didn't mention your insider sources that say Adrian Peterson was selling crack. but, now, i guess your a big proponent of verification first.
any and every peterson rumor I posted came with the word rumor next to it, I never said I had anything more than 3rd hand rumors.
that didn't stop you from posting it, did it?

Why should I when I was posting them to find out how much truth there was to them from the local spooner contengent.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:24 am

texas BBQ?

buwahahaha

yeah, right after KC,STL, and Memphis, they always include texas!

fucking idiot.

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:00 am

SoCalTrjn wrote: have had BBQ in Austin

There are so many different styles of barbeque withing Austin itself there is no way to compare Texas-Memphis- KC Barbeque. I'd like to know if you remember the place you ate at to give a better reference to what you are basing your opinion on. I've eaten all styles of 'que and there's on;y one opinion to be had. Bad barbeque is still better than no barbeque.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:41 pm

^^^^^^^^

Got to agree with campinfool on this.

For my taste I like sauce instead of dry rubs and I don't want pork. But trying to say KC or STL has better BBQ than Texas or the Carolinas is just stupid. Same is true in reverse. Everyone has a preference why can't we just leave it at that?

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:55 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
King Crimson wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote: any and every peterson rumor I posted came with the word rumor next to it, I never said I had anything more than 3rd hand rumors.
that didn't stop you from posting it, did it?
Why should I when I was posting them to find out how much truth there was to them from the local spooner contengent.

that's bullshit.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:00 pm

Left Seater wrote:For my taste I like sauce instead of dry rubs and I don't want pork. But trying to say KC or STL has better BBQ than Texas or the Carolinas is just stupid. Same is true in reverse. Everyone has a preference why can't we just leave it at that?

Rack.

BTW- There's NOTHING better than a 12 hour, slow smoked brisket...

In.

My.

Opinion.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:40 pm

PrimeX wrote:
Left Seater wrote:For my taste I like sauce instead of dry rubs and I don't want pork. But trying to say KC or STL has better BBQ than Texas or the Carolinas is just stupid. Same is true in reverse. Everyone has a preference why can't we just leave it at that?
Rack.

BTW- There's NOTHING better than a 12 hour, slow smoked brisket...

In.

My.

Opinion.

i'm not disagreeing with anybody, have you ever had carolina pulled pork with vinegar? a lot of "texas BBQ" is half-assed smoked beef ribs basically with ketchup on it.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:01 pm

I cannot stand ANYTHING with vinegar, and pork just doesn't do it for me. My pops has a team that cooks every year at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo and other state cookoffs and they've placed for their brisket/ribs many times, including a first a few years back at the big show.

Trust in me, ketchup is nowhere to be found in their "ingredients."

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:21 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:Matt Leinart only went 37-2 with 2 national titles....

Really?

Sin,
The 2003 National Champion LSU Tigers