Randle-El a Skin

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:45 pm

Updated: March 12, 2006, 3:41 PM ET
Redskins add Randle El to receiving corpsESPN.com news services

Former Steelers wide receiver Antwaan Randle El has agreed to a six-year deal with the Washington Redskins, a source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com's Michael Smith.

Randle El turned down a six-year, $18 million offer from the Bears that included $8 million to sign.

Dunno about this signing.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:16 pm

Doesn't sound right to me. Weren't the Skins 4.9 million over the cap? I know Arrington freed up some money... but what have they done to help get that much money that they could overpay for Randle El?

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:02 am

Randle El is a dumbass. Have fun going 8-8 and 9-7 the rest of your career.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:35 am

Once again the Redskins prove how much it sucks to have your owner
control your team. I might have understood the signing if they hadn't traded for Lloyd but making both moves was pretty fucking stupid.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:14 am

Cicero wrote:Randle El is a dumbass. Have fun going 8-8 and 9-7 the rest of your career.

Randle El had 11 million good reasons to sign with the Skins. And with Al Saunders calling the offensive plays, he's got a chance to shine alongside Santana Moss. The Skins overpaid. But that doesn't mean Randle El is dumb for taking Snyder's money.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:30 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:Once again the Redskins prove how much it sucks to have your owner
control your team. I might have understood the signing if they hadn't traded for Lloyd but making both moves was pretty fucking stupid.

e wrote:hope he enjoyed the super bowl. unless he ends up with another team, it was likely his last.
I don't think you two guys understand who's running that offense now- Al Saunders likely saw Randle-El as a Dante Hall-type of WR that will likely be the slot guy, with Moss and Lloyd the starters. I hate to say it, but the Skins made two VERY SHREWD moves in getting those guys the last few days. I can EASILY see the Skins winning that division going away right about now.

Who's gonna throw them the ball? Brunell is spent and Campbell is unproven.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:33 am

I listen to Chicago radio quite often...the Bears were pushing for Randel El. They've got to be hurting right now after not being able to pick him up. The Redskins have a damn good receiving corps right about now with Moss, Lloyd and Randel El. Not a lot of size and strength but a great collection of athletes.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:46 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
The Assassin wrote:Who's gonna throw them the ball? Brunell is spent and Campbell is unproven.
Brunell is SPENT? Dude only led that team to the PLAYOFFS last year, man. He's got enough to get them at least back there, with that Top 5 defense and what will most likely be a Top 10 offense. Clinton Portis is probably losing sleep knowing the #s he's going to put up in '06.

I think THATS what got them there Paul. Brunell had a few decent games but come on. There were plenty of times he looked god awful. The Skins got into the playoffs due to a weak NFC last year. Hell Oakland beat them in Washington!I just don't see Brunell being able to lead them to the playoffs next season.

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:17 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:Once again the Redskins prove how much it sucks to have your owner
control your team. I might have understood the signing if they hadn't traded for Lloyd but making both moves was pretty fucking stupid.

e wrote:hope he enjoyed the super bowl. unless he ends up with another team, it was likely his last.
I don't think you two guys understand who's running that offense now- Al Saunders likely saw Randle-El as a Dante Hall-type of WR that will likely be the slot guy, with Moss and Lloyd the starters. I hate to say it, but the Skins made two VERY SHREWD moves in getting those guys the last few days. I can EASILY see the Skins winning that division going away right about now.

Good thinking Paul.. Ya know what gets me is everyone thinking we were gonna be in CAP hell..

FYI Abraham is in town tonight... :)~

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:05 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:Any news on where Lavar Arrington is going to end up?

NY Giants..

Funkywhiteboy · Post by **Funkywhiteboy** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:00 am

The Assassin wrote:Who's gonna throw them the ball? Brunell is spent and Campbell is unproven.

Who said that all receivers do is catch the ball?
Antwaan will take some of the pressure off of Brunell.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:06 pm

ALL that money for 35 catches last year?

Doesn't sound right to me. Did Brunell even pass for 100 yards vs the Bucs in the playoffs?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:31 pm

T REX wrote:ALL that money for 35 catches last year?

And for being a great punt returner, which will take that load off Santana Moss and for his ability to run and throw the ball which has the added dimension of keeping the defense honest. Also, remember that the Steelers thow the ball less than any other team and had Tommy Maddox under center for 4 games.

I think the Skins overpaid a little. But there is serious upside to Randle El. Also, the Skins now have 3 solid NFL recievers for the first time in recent memory. I wouldn't bet against Joe Gibbs' ability to find a way to make them productive.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:54 pm

T REX wrote:ALL that money for 35 catches last year?

Doesn't sound right to me. Did Brunell even pass for 100 yards vs the Bucs in the playoffs?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt they still beat our Bucs??

The Bucs Def shuts down a lot of opposing offenses. BTW, in the reg season they hit the Bucs Def up for like 35 points or so.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:58 pm

BSmack wrote:
T REX wrote:ALL that money for 35 catches last year?
And for being a great punt returner, which will take that load off Santana Moss and for his ability to run and throw the ball which has the added dimension of keeping the defense honest. Also, remember that the Steelers thow the ball less than any other team and had Tommy Maddox under center for 4 games.

I think the Skins overpaid a little. But there is serious upside to Randle El. Also, the Skins now have 3 solid NFL recievers for the first time in recent memory. I wouldn't bet against Joe Gibbs' ability to find a way to make them productive.

All of then under 6 foot. Is Snyder trying to bring back the Smurfs?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:28 pm

BBMarley wrote:
BSmack wrote:
T REX wrote:ALL that money for 35 catches last year?
And for being a great punt returner, which will take that load off Santana Moss and for his ability to run and throw the ball which has the added dimension of keeping the defense honest. Also, remember that the Steelers thow the ball less than any other team and had Tommy Maddox under center for 4 games.

I think the Skins overpaid a little. But there is serious upside to Randle El. Also, the Skins now have 3 solid NFL recievers for the first time in recent memory. I wouldn't bet against Joe Gibbs' ability to find a way to make them productive.
All of then under 6 foot. Is Snyder trying to bring back the Smurfs?

If anybody would know how to use a bunch of short recievers it would be Joe Gibbs. And, of all the OC's in the NFL, I think Al Saunders might just be the best qualified OC to implement Randle El's unique talents. The more I think about this, the better I like it for the Skins. I'll miss seeing Randle El in a Steelers uni, that's for sure.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:16 pm

BSmack wrote: If anybody would know how to use a bunch of short recievers it would be Joe Gibbs. And, of all the OC's in the NFL, I think Al Saunders might just be the best qualified OC to implement Randle El's unique talents. The more I think about this, the better I like it for the Skins. I'll miss seeing Randle El in a Steelers uni, that's for sure.

15 years ago- yes. But in this day and age of tall, fast corners- you need big receivers who can get off the line. You get a physical secondary that mucsles them in the first 5 yards- that's bad news.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:04 pm

Are the Redskins the dumbest organization in football?

They tie up all their money into a #2 and #3 receiver, give away two draft picks to the 49ers, draft Jason Campbell late in the first round (big reach) and shit, I could do on. They got lucky with Brunell making his "comeback" last year, otherwise they'd still be the NFL's laughingstock.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:35 pm

Here's a little something to shed some light on the Skins cap situation and why they are able to spen a whole lot more freely.

Wide Open Spaces: Skins Can Get $18M Under
Gibbs, Skins will be able to go for it
Gibbs, Skins will be able to go for it

By Robert Large
WarpathInsiders.com
Date: Mar 9, 2006

Some 48 hours after being on the brink of being very limited in the free agent market, the Redskins are breathing much easier. Thanks to the CBA extension, with a few simple moves and player releases, the Redskins will be able to create plenty of cap space to fill their needs. Our resident Capologist looks at the potential moves and adds up the savings.

In Joe Gibbs own words “We (the Redskins) are very aggressive in free agency”. With the chances of an extension to the CBA looking in the balance for the last week, the Redskins could have been looking at an offseason of restraint instead of aggressive buying. However, when the owners agreed to the last obstacle in the way of a new labor agreement - a revenue sharing deal – on Wednesday evening, the Redskins were back in an “aggressive mood”.

With the new labor agreement now in place, the restrictions of the 30 percent rule and the prorating of bonus monies for only 4 years are washed away, so the Redskins can look at creating cap space to be an active player if free agency.

The first order of business is getting under the new cap limit for 2006 which has been set at $102.0m and we will start at the figure of $115.5m. Three occurrences have helped the Skins already without having to barely raise a finger:

* The mutually agreed release of LaVar Arrington and his killer contract (saving nearly $4.3m off his previous cap figure)
* The automatic spreading of option bonuses due in 2006 over the next 5 years instead of 4 (for those players who will have 5+ years left on their contracts after the options are exercised), saving $1.2m. The players involved Santana Moss ([body].350m savings), Chris Samuels ([body].350m), Casey Rabach ([body].1m) and Carlos Rogers ([body].4m), and
* The automatic voiding of likely to be earned (LTBE) incentive clauses tied to “no new CBA” in the contracts of Samuels ($3.5m), David Patten ([body].6m), Rabach ($1.6m) and Renaldo Wynn (0.4m), totalling $6.0m in savings.

The team has also tendered offers to three of its restricted free agents at the lower tender of [body].712m – Dockery, Jimoh and Chris Clemons.

Also the new CBA deal has increased base salaries across the board by $40,000 per player and this has a $1m impact on the Skins cap number.

This would leave the team at a cap figure of $105.4m, just $3.4m over the cap.

The Redskins also have 8 key players who have large roster bonuses due in 2006 (totalling $13.650m) that could be guaranteed and spread out over the remaining life of the contract or to 2010 if the tenure is longer. This move would result in a further $10.4m in savings for 2006, bringing the Redskins into cap compliance with $7m in cap space already created.

All this and the team has yet to cut or trade a player in the process.

So what other moves could assist in creating additional cap space and potential free agent dollars? Those likely to happen are the following:

* Patrick Ramsey could be traded (saving $1.7m)
* Brandon Noble ($1.7m), Cory Raymer ($1.0m), Matt Bowen ($2.0m), Tom Tupa ([body].6m) and Walt Harris ($2.0m) will probably be released within the next 48 hours (saving $7.3m)
* Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas could undertake a basic 2006 base salary to bonus conversion restructure in thier contracts that could save a further $5.1m.

If all these moves were made (allowing for replacement of released players under the Rule of 51), another $12.2m would be saved, pushing the projected cap number down to $18.2m below the NFL limit.

The Redskins may also be eligible for LTBE incentive cap credits carried over from 2005 would increase this gap even further.

So Washington has plenty of cap room to pursue its needs in free agency in 2006

2007 impact

At this point in time the Redskins have 51 players under contract in 2007 with Ladell Betts and Ethan Albright being the only notable UFA’s. These players currently count $93.730m – and that’s before any 2006 roster bonuses or other contract maniplutions are taken into account. The NFL salary cap in 2007 is predicted at around $109.0m. However, the new labor deal contains a mechanism to adjust the salary cap based on how much the teams collectively spend on player compensation. If the teams collectively spend more than the salary cap in a season -- which is possible since the cap is a flexible spending limit -- the cap would be automatically adjusted downward in subsequent seasons. If the teams collectively spend less than the salary cap in a season, the cap would be automatically adjusted upward in the future

http://redskins.scout.com/2/507127.html

In other words, they are doing what Snyder has always done, buying up as much as they can to try to win as soon as possible. The difference is that they don't have a retard as a head coach.

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:54 pm

It makes perfect sense.

Snyder loves ESPN highlights.

How many WR pass options do you think we will see from WAS next year?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:56 pm

Dumbass wrote:It makes perfect sense.

Snyder loves ESPN highlights.

How many WR pass options do you think we will see from WAS next year?

The question you should be asking is how many more 50 yard TD runs from Portis are you going to see because defenses will have to respect the Skins passing game and potential for gadget plays?

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:30 am

BSmack wrote:
Dumbass wrote:It makes perfect sense.

Snyder loves ESPN highlights.

How many WR pass options do you think we will see from WAS next year?
The question you should be asking is how many more 50 yard TD runs from Portis are you going to see because defenses will have to respect the Skins passing game and potential for gadget plays?

I don't think Lloyd puts fear in the opposing defenses .

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:37 am

drummer wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Dumbass wrote:It makes perfect sense.

Snyder loves ESPN highlights.

How many WR pass options do you think we will see from WAS next year?
The question you should be asking is how many more 50 yard TD runs from Portis are you going to see because defenses will have to respect the Skins passing game and potential for gadget plays?
I don't think Lloyd puts fear in the opposing defenses .

He didn't when the crap QBs the Niners had were throwing him the ball. But I was actualy talking about Randle El.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:59 am

BSmack wrote:
drummer wrote:
BSmack wrote: The question you should be asking is how many more 50 yard TD runs from Portis are you going to see because defenses will have to respect the Skins passing game and potential for gadget plays?
I don't think Lloyd puts fear in the opposing defenses .
He didn't when the crap QBs the Niners had were throwing him the ball. But I was actualy talking about Randle El.

Yeah , well you said passing game . I figure the amount of money they paid Lloyd would mean he is gonna be a big part of it .

As far as his Niner QB's : yeah , they sucked , but if your best WR is afraid of going over the middle , can't get separation from DB's , drops hard passes or ducks from them ......

DamnTheCowboys · Post by **DamnTheCowboys** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:49 am

Redskins also signed safety Adam Archuleta today. Sounds like most of you are in fear and panic of the 'Skins run through the NFC East and to the Super Bowl.

All is right with the world when the Washington Redskins are kicking ass and taking names.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:07 am

DamnTheCowboys wrote:Redskins also signed safety Adam Archuleta today. Sounds like most of you are in fear and panic of the 'Skins run through the NFC East and to the Super Bowl.

All is right with the world when the Washington Redskins are kicking ass and taking names.

Yeah- b/c Snyder's attempt to buy a superbowl worked so well in the past. Its going to be intresting to see what they do to get under the cap with all this money they are throwing at free agents...

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:36 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:And in other news, apparently the Redskins are salary cap-exempt after the new labor agreement was approved.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2367445

That's the kind of money Julian Peterson turned down last season . :?

Carter had only one good year in 2002 , when he racked up 12.5 sacks . But he had Stubby and BY on the same line too .

I don't believe Carter has made a Pro-Bowl yet .

That's a lot of money for a player that hasn't .

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:53 am

BTW , a highlight of Lloyd that doesn't get enough run ....

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:28 pm

DamnTheCowboys wrote:Redskins also signed safety Adam Archuleta today. Sounds like most of you are in fear and panic of the 'Skins run through the NFC East and to the Super Bowl.

All is right with the world when the Washington Redskins are kicking ass and taking names.

Why fear Archuleta? He's slow as shit on grass. Danny Boy is treating this like a fantasy team and going after names only.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:14 pm

drummer wrote:BTW , a highlight of Lloyd that doesn't get enough run ....

Bwaahhaa!!! That's great!

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:24 pm

Bottom line is danny boy will pick up these free agents, and Gibbs will fuck up all their personalities and foreskins will finish in the middle of the pack. It all looks good on paper skinfan, but your franchise is famous for underachieving.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:53 pm

drummer wrote:BTW , a highlight of Lloyd that doesn't get enough run ....

Pussy move by Lloyd and an fucking horrible pass by Rattay. Ever heard of leading the receiver?

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:20 pm

jiminphilly wrote:
drummer wrote:BTW , a highlight of Lloyd that doesn't get enough run ....

Pussy move by Lloyd and an fucking horrible pass by Rattay. Ever heard of leading the receiver?

And both were traded for draft picks this year .

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:53 pm

The Niners are doing a decent job in free agency this year. They have added 2 picks from the Skins, meanwhile the Skins pay out the ass for two #2 receivers who are identical in style (not to mention their #1 is identical too). Then the Niners add a young playmaker in Bryant coming off a 1,000 season in freakin' CLEVELAND, with two sub-par QBs chucking him the rock. Nice work, bitches. Now you just need to completely revamp every other position on the field! :wink:

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:33 pm

Cicero wrote:Randle El is a dumbass. Have fun going 8-8 and 9-7 the rest of your career.

#1- he got paid

#2- turner, schotty and spurrier dont coach here anymore

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:36 pm

jiminphilly wrote:Once again the Redskins prove how much it sucks to have your owner
control your team. I might have understood the signing if they hadn't traded for Lloyd but making both moves was pretty fucking stupid.

snyder isnt 'controlling the team'. his idol, joe gibbs, is. but, it probably makes you feel better thinking snyder does, so have at it.

and since when is acquiring better talent stupid? it's not like they signed a cancer like terrell owens.

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:41 pm

BBMarley wrote:
BSmack wrote: If anybody would know how to use a bunch of short recievers it would be Joe Gibbs. And, of all the OC's in the NFL, I think Al Saunders might just be the best qualified OC to implement Randle El's unique talents. The more I think about this, the better I like it for the Skins. I'll miss seeing Randle El in a Steelers uni, that's for sure.
15 years ago- yes. But in this day and age of tall, fast corners- you need big receivers who can get off the line. You get a physical secondary that mucsles them in the first 5 yards- that's bad news.

sure you do.

sincerely,

pittsburgh
new england
steve smith
santana moss

you get the picture.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:17 pm

G.O. wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:Once again the Redskins prove how much it sucks to have your owner
control your team. I might have understood the signing if they hadn't traded for Lloyd but making both moves was pretty fucking stupid.
snyder isnt 'controlling the team'. his idol, joe gibbs, is. but, it probably makes you feel better thinking snyder does, so have at it.

and since when is acquiring better talent stupid? it's not like they signed a cancer like terrell owens.

....More like you keep telling yourself that Snyder keeps his hands out of the cookie jar when all indications say otherwise.

As for the Iggles, they actually had a NEED at the wr spot when they signed Owens. Moss had a great year and the Skins thought highly enough of Brandon Lloyd to trade a 3rd AND a 4th for him. With those 2 along with Patten and Thrash that would seem to be decent group of receivers. Signing Randal El to the money they did makes no sense. They have over $20 mil tied to 2 receivers and yet they still don't have a QB they can count on to be there for the next 5-6 years.

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:09 pm

jiminphilly wrote:
G.O. wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:Once again the Redskins prove how much it sucks to have your owner
control your team. I might have understood the signing if they hadn't traded for Lloyd but making both moves was pretty fucking stupid.
snyder isnt 'controlling the team'. his idol, joe gibbs, is. but, it probably makes you feel better thinking snyder does, so have at it.

and since when is acquiring better talent stupid? it's not like they signed a cancer like terrell owens.
....More like you keep telling yourself that Snyder keeps his hands out of the cookie jar when all indications say otherwise.

this is idiotic on several different levels. Gibbs is a HOF coach. no 40 something billionaire owner is going to pick his team for him- especially one who grew up idolizing Gibbs. snyder writes the checks. if you believe Gibbs isnt picking these players, tell santa clause and the easter bunny 'hi' for me.

As for the Iggles, they actually had a NEED at the wr spot when they signed Owens. Moss had a great year and the Skins thought highly enough of Brandon Lloyd to trade a 3rd AND a 4th for him. With those 2 along with Patten and Thrash that would seem to be decent group of receivers. Signing Randal El to the money they did makes no sense. They have over $20 mil tied to 2 receivers and yet they still don't have a QB they can count on to be there for the next 5-6 years.

the iggles knew TO was a headcase when they signed him. how'd that work out for you? sorry- the iggles deserve to take crap that move.

and you dont know who will take over when brunell hangs it up. i will trust that gibbs- who won 3 super bowls with 3 non-HOF QB's- will find someone to get the job done.

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:40 pm

G.O. wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
G.O. wrote: snyder isnt 'controlling the team'. his idol, joe gibbs, is. but, it probably makes you feel better thinking snyder does, so have at it.

and since when is acquiring better talent stupid? it's not like they signed a cancer like terrell owens.
....More like you keep telling yourself that Snyder keeps his hands out of the cookie jar when all indications say otherwise.

this is idiotic on several different levels. Gibbs is a HOF coach. no 40 something billionaire owner is going to pick his team for him- especially one who grew up idolizing Gibbs. snyder writes the checks. if you believe Gibbs isnt picking these players, tell santa clause and the easter bunny 'hi' for me.
the iggles knew TO was a headcase when they signed him. how'd that work out for you? sorry- the iggles deserve to take crap that move.

and you dont know who will take over when brunell hangs it up. i will trust that gibbs- who won 3 super bowls with 3 non-HOF QB's- will find someone to get the job done.

Rack! Man we got some haters!