Calabasas = Smoking Nazis

[Goober McTuber]

I doubt I will waste one more second of my life caring about smokers and their "rights".

See You Next Tuesday.

[Jimmy Medalions]

When was the last time anyone was FORCED to be around second hand smoke?

You mean in restaurants, public transportation, casinos...etc.? Dumbfuck.

Last time I checked, this was a free country. Don't like a smokey bar? Don't go there. Don't like bartending at that smokey bar? Find another job. Somebody smoking a cig near you outdoors? Ask them to move, put it out or walk your ass somewhere else.

Or, more conveniently, tell them to fuck off by passing a law. RACK California and New York for doing so.

Too many pussies out there scared to even try that last one.

The only pussies in this debate are the nicotine junkies who crawl back to their cancer sticks on a daily basis. We 'get it' though. You have no self control and Big Tobacco knows you're their bitch. Props on getting pwn3d by them on a daily/hourly basis.

Try to get back to my topic of the thread. If its so fucking bad for everyone then why not ban it?

I have no problem if idiots like you want to slowly kill yourself. I just don't want to be around it or pay for it. Your argument is tired and ignorant. No real surprise there.

You're going to eventually force all smoker to be confined to their own houses if they want to light up and that, I'm sure, is in the best interest of their young children.

If parents want to subject their kids to smoke, that's their problem, not ours.

Face it. You're weak and selfish. That's what all smokers are, when you get right down to it. I have no sympathy for them- they have a choice and they choose to be weak.

I do, however, have issue with paying for their fuckups in the form of increased healthcare costs. Moreover, I don't appreciate having to smell their shitty habit around me.

States like California and New York have come a long way in addressing the latter. Don't like it smokers? Fuck you.

[Husker4ever]

So Meds, when this shit snowballs and you're dropping 10 bucks a bag for your wife's pork rinds you're going to be okay with it? Or how about when you have to take her to a weigh in to determine the premium you will pay for your insurance?

There's nothing wrong placing restrictions on smoking. It's wrong to criminalize a lawful activity whilst sin taxing the fuck out of it. Ban the shit or live and let live.

[See You Next Wednesday]

It's cool, I don't care about SYNW's right to free speech, due process, or any of that stuff, so we're good.

Oh yes, rights specifically outlined in the Constitution are the same as a smoker's "right" to pollute the air with their smoke. I suppose you won't care if I throw my garbage on the street. Isn't that my right?

[Jimmy Medalions]

No, he's not wrong, meds. Not when it comes to smoking OUTSIDE,

You are smarter than this, RF. You and I both know that smoking inside or outside is bad for smokers. Bad for healthcare. Bad for healthcare costs. That's the argument.

And unless you're going to include my eating pizza, or red meat or being a fucking 400-lb slob who needs heart surgery every other year ... sorry ... you can't include anyone into your "I don't like paying for other people's bad habbits" pathetic argument.

Pathetic? If you're a fat piece of shit that throws down happy meals like a whale eating krill, then I have no sympathy for you either. Obesity is becoming an incredible health problem in this country and, unless you have some genetic predisposition toward it, it's a problem borne from choice. In those cases, fuck you.

"Bad habits?" Are you fucking kidding me? You pretty much just capitulated to Dins' main point on this.

Two things: (i) Dins never has a point and (ii) Jimmy Medalions is incapable of capitulating to a moron of his calibre.

Glad we cleared that up.

What's next? You don't like paying for my "health" because I sniff my gf's dirty panties before I do the laundry and there might be infectious microbes around?

You do your gf's laundry?

[Dinsdale]

I do, however, have issue with paying for their fuckups in the form of increased healthcare costs.

Hey Liberal, would you care to document this?

But props on buying into a political diversionary tactic, so they don't have to cut off corporate welfare and do something significant. The world needs its sheeple, too.

See if you can follow along (since you're none too bright) --

You claim smokers require more health care than non-smokers, yet you also claim that smokers are "slowly killing themselves."

Which is it?

I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but old people -- you know, the ones who live to be old because they don't smoke -- require an ungodly amount of medical attention.

If a smoker gets lung cancer and can't pay his bills, it results in a year's worth of extra health care costs. If that guy doesn't smoke, he lives to a ripe old age, and requires years and years and years of extra health care costs.

See how that works?

Sorry if this is the first time anybody has explained this to you tard, but other people smoking (and paying increased taxes as a result) save you money.

Easily one of the biggest crocks of shit the anti-smoking lobby has ever brewed up.

But way to demonstrate how easily it is to throw out some politicized bullshit and have you slurp it up...liberal.

[Husker4ever]

It's cool, I don't care about SYNW's right to free speech, due process, or any of that stuff, so we're good.

Oh yes, rights specifically outlined in the Constitution are the same as a smoker's "right" to pollute the air with their smoke. I suppose you won't care if I throw my garbage on the street. Isn't that my right?

You already do that everytime you start your vehicle. Hypocrite.

[Neely8]

I do, however, have issue with paying for their fuckups in the form of increased healthcare costs.

Hey Liberal, would you care to document this?

But props on buying into a political diversionary tactic, so they don't have to cut off corporate welfare and do something significant. The world needs its sheeple, too.

See if you can follow along (since you're none too bright) --

You claim smokers require more health care than non-smokers, yet you also claim that smokers are "slowly killing themselves."

Which is it?

I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but old people -- you know, the ones who live to be old because they don't smoke -- require an ungodly amount of medical attention.

If a smoker gets lung cancer and can't pay his bills, it results in a year's worth of extra health care costs. If that guy doesn't smoke, he lives to a ripe old age, and requires years and years and years of extra health care costs.

See how that works?

Sorry if this is the first time anybody has explained this to you tard, but other people smoking (and paying increased taxes as a result) save you money.

Easily one of the biggest crocks of shit the anti-smoking lobby has ever brewed up.

But way to demonstrate how easily it is to throw out some politicized bullshit and have you slurp it up...liberal.

I basically gave him links to two studies done that show the increase in healthcare costs is due to:

A) The rising number of elderly people who require more healthcare
B) Obesity being the #1 cause of rising healthcare
C) Higher cost perscriptions
D) New technologies being used that cost more

These are the main reasons for rising healthcare costs. Smoking was not mentioned on either study. However I was ignored because I punched a hole in his argument. Go figure.......

[BSmack]

I basically gave him links to two studies done that show the increase in healthcare costs is due to:

A) The rising number of elderly people who require more healthcare
B) Obesity being the #1 cause of rising healthcare
C) Higher cost perscriptions
D) New technologies being used that cost more

These are the main reasons for rising healthcare costs. Smoking was not mentioned on either study. However I was ignored because I punched a hole in his argument. Go figure.......

Never mind that doctors all but refuse to treat smokers. Don't belive me? Start up a pack a day habit and quit 5 years later. Notice the treatment options your doctor has suddenly open up considerably.

[See You Next Wednesday]

It's cool, I don't care about SYNW's right to free speech, due process, or any of that stuff, so we're good.

Oh yes, rights specifically outlined in the Constitution are the same as a smoker's "right" to pollute the air with their smoke. I suppose you won't care if I throw my garbage on the street. Isn't that my right?

You already do that everytime you start your vehicle. Hypocrite.

Hypocrite? I don't think so, maybe you should look the word up. I have never claimed a "right" to drive a car.

[Dinsdale]

I basically gave him links to two studies done that show the increase in healthcare costs is due to:

A) The rising number of elderly people who require more healthcare
B) Obesity being the #1 cause of rising healthcare
C) Higher cost perscriptions
D) New technologies being used that cost more

These are the main reasons for rising healthcare costs. Smoking was not mentioned on either study. However I was ignored because I punched a hole in his argument. Go figure.......

No dude...IT'S THE SMOKERS!!!!!


Dude, you're dealing with a guy who isn't particularly intelligent in Meds. Yet somehow, even though he's about 10 ants short of a picnic, and looks like he was drug behind his baby carraige rather than carted around in it, his parents still instilled a sense of entitlement to him. When people like that get older, they begin to realize what a coddled loser they've been their whole life, and reality sets in for them. Upon this realization, they tend to take on some very strange personality traits to justify their existance. Often, this takes the form of jumping on to some sort of moral high-horse.

Like in this instance.

It doesn't matter to him that everything he's been told about other people's smoking æffects on him (a tearfully funny notion to begin with) is complete bullshit. He WILL NOT allow anybody to take his one claim of personal superiority away. His entire belief system would come crashing down around him if the reason he has to think everyone else should be just like him was taken away.

So Neely, give the guy a break and cut him some slack. His life depends on it.

[Husker4ever]

Neely's links prove that we need legislate some new taxes to counter the costs created by the elderly and fat fucks.

1. A fat fuck tax (sin tax junk food....we'll pay off the national debt within 8 months)

2. Elderly tax (dunno....maybe confiscate all their vehicles and sell them at auction to keep them off the road? and use proceeds to counter their healthcare costs)

[Husker4ever]

Oh yes, rights specifically outlined in the Constitution are the same as a smoker's "right" to pollute the air with their smoke. I suppose you won't care if I throw my garbage on the street. Isn't that my right?

You already do that everytime you start your vehicle. Hypocrite.

Hypocrite? I don't think so, maybe you should look the word up. I have never claimed a "right" to drive a car.

Well unless you ride a bike or walk....you're fucking with my health everytime you drive or get on a bus, train, plane, etc.

[Dinsdale]

A) The rising number of elderly people who require more healthcare

Of course, every person in the country with a working brain understands this, which is obviously why Meds is struggling with it.

Unless he'd care to somehow explain this contradiction with what he claims is true.

Following Meds' logic --

A lot of people were quitting smoking in the 70's and 80's.

The number of new smokers went down over the years.

According to Meds et. al., these people will live longer.

And WHAT'S the #1 reason for the rapidly increasing cost of health care?

So, just following Meds' logic(which he struggles badly with)...


NOT smoking is causing the greatest increase in health care costs in this country.

Sorry if that's not what the anti-smoking Crusaders want you to believe, and sorry of this ruins the platform of a politician who was playing to the suckers (sup Liberal Meds), but it's a lot closer to the truth than the crap the liberals are spewing.

[See You Next Wednesday]

You already do that everytime you start your vehicle. Hypocrite.

Hypocrite? I don't think so, maybe you should look the word up. I have never claimed a "right" to drive a car.

Well unless you ride a bike or walk....you're fucking with my health everytime you drive or get on a bus, train, plane, etc.

You are right. Excellent point. Tertium non datur.

[PSUFAN]

non-smokers to smokers: quit, idiots.
smokers to non smokers: but there are fat people.
non-smokers to smokers: just quit, idiots.
smokers to non smokers: but you all will have to pay more taxes.
non-smokers to smokers: just quit, idiots.
smokers to non smokers: but...more people will live longer, and thus health care costs will increase!!
non-smokers to smokers: look - just quit, idiots.
smokers to non smokers: but...you can't tell me what to do!*
non-smokers to smokers: hey, fuck you.

*apologies to Stan Ridgeway

[Jimmy Medalions]

Hey Liberal, would you care to document this?

I punched a hole in his argument.

Really?

The Costs of Smoking

The direct and indirect economic costs associated with tobacco use are significant. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), the direct and indirect costs of smoking are estimated at $138 billion per year.(136) As with other chronic conditions, employers are significantly affected by the indirect costs of the health problems that result from tobacco use. An extensive review of the literature published in 2001 found solid evidence that 6 to 14 percent of personal health care expenditures could be attributed to smoking, and that smokers had greater medical costs over the course of their lifetimes. The review also found a large number of studies that demonstrated that smokers are more costly to their employers than those employees who do not smoke.(137) The economic costs of smoking are estimated to be about $3,391 per smoker per year. Each pack of cigarettes sold in the United States costs the nation an estimated $7.18 in medical care costs and lost productivity.(138) Roughly 14 percent of all Medicaid expenditures are for smoking related illnesses,(139) and more than $20 billion of Medicare expenditures each year are related to smoking.(140)

Dumbfucks. Both of you.

[Jimmy Medalions]

Nice melt job on this thread Dins...BTW.

[BSmack]

The direct and indirect economic costs associated with tobacco use are significant. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), the direct and indirect costs of smoking are estimated at $138 billion per year.(136)

And from the same link

* Approximately 129 million U.S. adults are overweight or obese which costs this Nation anywhere from $69 billion to $117 billion per year.
* In 2000, an estimated 17 million people (6.2 percent of the population) had diabetes, costing the U.S. approximately $132 billion. People with diabetes lost more than 8 days per year from work, accounting for 14 million disability days.
* Heart disease and stroke are the first and third leading causes of death in the United States. In 2003 alone, 1.1 million Americans will have a heart attack. Cardiovascular diseases cost the Nation more than $300 billion each year.
* Approximately 23 million adults and 9 million children have been diagnosed with asthma at some point within their lifetime, with costs near $14 billion per year.

[PSUFAN]

I know, I know - there are fat people. For the record, they should stop eating garbage and get skinny.


Quit, idiots.

[Jimmy Medalions]

It seems to be for the smokers in this thread.

[Jimmy Medalions]

The direct and indirect economic costs associated with tobacco use are significant. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), the direct and indirect costs of smoking are estimated at $138 billion per year.(136)

And from the same link

* Approximately 129 million U.S. adults are overweight or obese which costs this Nation anywhere from $69 billion to $117 billion per year.
* In 2000, an estimated 17 million people (6.2 percent of the population) had diabetes, costing the U.S. approximately $132 billion. People with diabetes lost more than 8 days per year from work, accounting for 14 million disability days.
* Heart disease and stroke are the first and third leading causes of death in the United States. In 2003 alone, 1.1 million Americans will have a heart attack. Cardiovascular diseases cost the Nation more than $300 billion each year.
* Approximately 23 million adults and 9 million children have been diagnosed with asthma at some point within their lifetime, with costs near $14 billion per year.

And this contradicts the findings on smoking how? Correct, you are a dumbfuck.

[Cuda]

Sounds pretty bad, Jimmy.

Maybe they ought to make that "tobacco" shit illegal.

[Jimmy Medalions]

It seems to be for the smokers in this thread.

It's your argument and it is complete horseshit.

Show the class how tobacco doesn't increase healthcare costs.

We'll leave the lights on for you.

[BSmack]

The direct and indirect economic costs associated with tobacco use are significant. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), the direct and indirect costs of smoking are estimated at $138 billion per year.(136)

And from the same link

* Approximately 129 million U.S. adults are overweight or obese which costs this Nation anywhere from $69 billion to $117 billion per year.
* In 2000, an estimated 17 million people (6.2 percent of the population) had diabetes, costing the U.S. approximately $132 billion. People with diabetes lost more than 8 days per year from work, accounting for 14 million disability days.
* Heart disease and stroke are the first and third leading causes of death in the United States. In 2003 alone, 1.1 million Americans will have a heart attack. Cardiovascular diseases cost the Nation more than $300 billion each year.
* Approximately 23 million adults and 9 million children have been diagnosed with asthma at some point within their lifetime, with costs near $14 billion per year.

And this contradicts the findings on smoking how? Correct, you are a dumbfuck.

Can you read up a little bit?

You are smarter than this, RF. You and I both know that smoking inside or outside is bad for smokers. Bad for healthcare. Bad for healthcare costs. That's the argument.

Do you really want to go down the road of health care cost interdependency?

How about we start by aborting all those kids with identifiable birth defects?

After all, they are just going to wind up costing more. And we can't have anybody making YOUR health care costs higher.

[PSUFAN]

Smoking stinks.
Cig butts blight the landscape.
Junkies catch their mattresses aflame.
Money spent on cigs supports bloated craven plutocrats.

[PSUFAN]

Fuck you, Cuda. Just sit there and shiver in the dark while you eat rice cakes and sip spring water....and you better not forget your mandatory exercise period again

mvscal = Cuda's warden? Who knew?

[BSmack]

Smoking stinks.
Cig butts blight the landscape.
Junkies catch their mattresses aflame.
Money spend on cigs supports bloated craven plutocrats.

You make me want to go buy a pack.

[PSUFAN]

Go ahead. Thanks for the tax revenue.

[BSmack]

Go ahead. Thanks for the tax revenue.

Nah, that's OK. I'll let you pay your fair share today.

[Jimmy Medalions]

How about we start by aborting all those kids with identifiable birth defects?

After all, they are just going to wind up costing more. And we can't have anybody making YOUR health care costs higher.

Could you possibly be a bigger dumbfuck *

Kids with birth defects don't choose to be fucked up, much in the same way that you probably don't choose to be an idiot.

Smokers choose to fuck themselves up, thus fucking up healthcare costs, thus penalizing non-smokers with their weak dependency.

* No need to answer, we already know

[PSUFAN]

smokers: but...we can't quit. we've tried already.

[BSmack]

Kids with birth defects don't choose to be fucked up.

No, their parents choose to have them, thus saddling us with billions of dollars in higher healthcare costs that could be avoided with a simple and legal medical procedure.

[PSUFAN]

smokers: but...people drink!!


shut the fuck up and quit, idiots.

[Goober McTuber]

I didn’t see anywhere in this thread where Jimmy Medicare denied that that his wife is pushing 3 bills. So what have we learned? That

a) Jimmy’s a liberal.
b) Jimmy’s married to a fat white whore. Therefore,
c) Jimmy is probably black.

[BSmack]

I didn’t see anywhere in this thread where Jimmy Medicare denied that that his wife is pushing 3 bills. So what have we learned? That

a) Jimmy’s a liberal.
b) Jimmy’s married to a fat white whore. Therefore,
c) Jimmy is probably black.

Brutal.

[PSUFAN]

Maybe they don't feel like quitting, dumbfuck.

Neither do crackheads, for the most part. Ask them - they're in the bottom of the barrel right next to you, idiot.

[Jimmy Medalions]

Maybe they don't feel like quitting, dumbfuck.

Weakness is a choice, after all.

[BSmack]

Maybe they don't feel like quitting, dumbfuck.

Weakness is a choice, after all.

Yet you're too weak to do what really needs to be done.

[Husker4ever]

After the reading the links on who's REALLY driving up the cost of healthcare. I think we need to shift our focus to the REAL problem.....obesity.

We need to sin tax junk food. We need treatment programs for people with no will power.

Which begs an interesting question.....If this country is going to villify smoking to the point of absurdity, where in hell are the treatment programs?

Why don't we take some of the tax revenue we've bilked out of people with an addiction to a lawful product and offer them treatment if the shit is so bad for them? Or are we content to keep raking it in and create horseshit laws to fuck with them some more?

Let's put our money where our mouth is and offer treatment with the money smoker's pay.