Frontline - The Torture Question

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:20 am

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Utterly shameful.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:54 pm

..and your point is???

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:37 pm

so much depends upon
the faux tough
glazed with acid rain
beside the white upper class

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:10 pm

I was hazed worse in my fraternity. Pussies.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:04 pm

mvscal wrote:Wolfman?

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:07 pm

PSUFAN wrote:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Utterly shameful.

Saw that when it originally aired. Not a lot new there. Torture is not a reliable information source.

Sincerely,

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:28 pm

mvscal wrote:The psychological techniques we use are very successful. Sleep dep, stress positions and/or drugs will break you down every time.

Break you down to what? Telling information that you may not know, but that your interrogators want to hear?

Yeah, it's pretty successful at that.

The techniques have worked pretty well regarding the insurgency, given it is a disorganized bunch of fuckups.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:53 pm

mvscal wrote: You're a fucking idiot if you think a "disorganized bunch of fuck ups" is running this insurgency.

Hillary's doing a good job

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:57 pm

mvscal wrote:
RadioFan wrote:Break you down to what? Telling information that you may not know, but that your interrogators want to hear?
Doesn't work that way, dumbfuck. You think we're just doing it for kicks?

We do it because it works.

It only works if the interrogatee actually knows something. If he/she does, I have no argument with you.

mvscal wrote:
RadioFan wrote:The techniques have worked pretty well regarding the insurgency, given it is a disorganized bunch of fuckups.
You're a fucking idiot if you think a "disorganized bunch of fuck ups" is running this insurgency.

At ground zero, yep, given how "well" they've done against us, in combat. Another PBS special was titled "The insurgency," and pretty much showed who these idiots are, how they are being funded and how "well" they do in operations, the latter being a fucking joke.

They may be funded by Syria and Iran, but ... how is it so easy for you to dismiss that possibility, while at the same time talking up the advantages of our torture techniques?

This isn't rocket science. There are elements in the insurgency that are organized, and other elements that are not. Torture doesn't work if you have some low-level fuckstain, just as is doesn't work with trying to torture a street-peddling drug-dealer, who probably doesn't know who funded his boss, much less what his bosses' "name" is, in the States. They might get a street name, but in Arabic? Unless we've somehow managed to inbed a shitload of Arabic translators with complete knowledge in slang, good luck.

Gunslinger · Post by **Gunslinger** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:57 pm

Cicero wrote:
mvscal wrote: You're a fucking idiot if you think a "disorganized bunch of fuck ups" is running this insurgency.

Oh, unzip it. Yeh, your going to get it big man.

tough love · Post by **tough love** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:04 pm

Gotta wonder if Operation Swarmer is using some of this evil gotten imfo.
Gotta hope that when it's over, there will be more dead terrorists/insurgents than there are dead local innocents.

No matter how you cut it, Bu$h Corp is morally dragging America down.

And your Prez has the gall to call himself a Christian.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:23 am

mvscal wrote:
RadioFan wrote:They may be funded by Syria and Iran, but ... how is it so easy for you to dismiss that possibility, while at the same time talking up the advantages of our torture techniques?
Sleep dep and stress poistions aren't torture and what possibility am I dismissing?

The "organized" part, in which the assumption is, as long as we capture a few of these fuckstains and "torture" them, we'll find out anything meaningful.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:44 am

mvscal wrote:We find useful information from them all the time. What the fuck are you talking about?

We obviously can't find any head(s) to this snake of funding in Iraq, for starters.

I don't necessarily disagree with your take about torture. All I'm saying is that it doesn't work with street thugs, and that's pretty much what the Iraq insurgency is ... a glorified gang under the amorphous banner of "death to America."

Yeah, what else is new. I have a feeling that Iraqi security forces are making a hell of a lot more headway of finding the key players.

All I'm saying is that torture doesn't work, unless you have somebody who actually knows something, and even then, it may or may not. If dude says something that the interrogator wants to hear, it's not necessarily a success.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:35 pm

So it took you 8 months, but you scared up an example that you'd like to offer as a success for our torture program? Nice work.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:48 pm

Cicero wrote:I was hazed worse in my fraternity. Pussies.

I seriously fucking doubt it. But please do tell.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:56 pm

"Hostile Questioning" of folks who undoubtably know Saddam's whereabouts is peachy keen.

Making pyramids of buttnekkid dudes they round up randomly, smearing them with feces, and hooking their gonads up to live wires while they are menaced by dogs is not peachy keen.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:59 pm

BSmack wrote:
Cicero wrote:I was hazed worse in my fraternity. Pussies.
I seriously fucking doubt it. But please do tell.

Burned w/ candles on the face, hands and necks.

Eating off plates that we later learned had been rubbed on about 5-6 Brother's asses.

Stand in line w/ blindfolds for 10 hours w/ hands tied behind your back.

Pack 15 of us into a Suburban w/ pants and jackets on and turn up the heat full blast.

T1B

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