Meltdown in Leaf land

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:36 am

Atlanta has the firepower to hang with Ottawa but you wonder if Lehtonen is capable of standing on his head and steal a couple games by himself. The Hurricanes looked like they were on their way to the top spot in the East until Cole got hurt. If they can make a move at the deadline to replace him...I think they can hold off Ottawa. But if Hasek gets healthy and the Canes stand pat, the Senators will finish 1st in the conference.

The Rat Pack · Post by **The Rat Pack** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:03 pm

It has been awhile since we've updated the big tank.

The Toronto press has their knives out.. It looks bleak.

Getting outscored 11-3 by Montreal didn't help. Telly is a soft goalie. I wonder if he's really their future. He looks so lost.

Anyway, did anyone see Kovalev steamroll Tucker? That was brutal. The mugging of Sundin by Rivet was also great.

The Rat Pack · Post by **The Rat Pack** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:20 pm

Look at that forearm right in the kisser:

Cross Traffic · Post by **Cross Traffic** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:08 pm

Payback is a bitch isn't it Tucker. Especially having Kovalev doing that. LOL

The Rat Pack · Post by **The Rat Pack** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:11 pm

It was definitely a violent hit. Kovalev only did it because Tucker gave him a cheapshot about 10 seconds earlier.

In Tucker's defense, he got right up and fought Kovalev. Kovalev would have rolled around like he had been shot.

I'd take either of those assholes on my team.

Mainiac · Post by **Mainiac** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:42 pm

Here's the .wmv of the whole thing.

http://www.hockey-fights.com/videos/200 ... ovalev.wmv

The Rat Pack · Post by **The Rat Pack** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:51 pm

Keep an eye on the Panthers/Leafs game.

Anything less than 2 points will eliminate Toronto.

Ho ho ho

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:01 am

The Rat Pack wrote:Keep an eye on the Panthers/Leafs game.

Anything less than 2 points will eliminate Toronto.

Ho ho ho

How does the Capitals playoff picture look? Or has that ship sailed already and you've picked another team? :? It's hard to keep track.

The Rat Pack · Post by **The Rat Pack** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:08 am

Ho ho ho

2-0 Panthers

Nieuwendyk gets the killer goal.

It's sort of sweet knowing that Nieuwy & Roberts get to hammer the stake home.

Hap, I said before the season even started that the Leafs wouldn't get a sniff a the playoffs. You could at least acknowledge my forecasting. I think you proclaimed they would make it...like the loudmouth you are.

As for the Caps... They hammered the Leafs 3-1 in the season series.

Ho ho ho

The Rat Pack · Post by **The Rat Pack** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:16 am

The Rat Pack: At least they'll (Ottawa) see the playoffs this season.

Hapday: So will the Leafs

Ho ho ho

I would like to see the Leafs hold on until Ottawa beats them for the 8th time this season.

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:46 am

You look like even more of an idiot that usual, no easy feat, as your team of the week the Craptiols were mathematically eliminated in December.

The Rat Pack · Post by **The Rat Pack** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:54 am

When did I ever say they were making the playoffs?

I think it's universally known that they're rebuilding.

Try to keep up with the rest of us, Hap old boy

Beating the Leafs 3-1 for the season is sweet!

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:40 am

Props to Sundin on the 6-point night...

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:47 pm

Props to the Leafs for showing up for the last 3 weeks of the season.

The way they played over the past 3 weeks shows that Quinn's not the problem, it's the moves that Ferguson made that held them back.

39 years and stiiiiiiiill counting.

:mad:

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:33 pm

Aubin and Tellqvist played well for them after Belfour went out. I thought the Leafs were done when the Eagle got hurt. Props to them for battling but they dropped too many games early on looked like they were going to miss the playoffs by a wide margin.

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:28 pm

JaysFan wrote:Props to the Leafs for showing up for the last 3 weeks of the season.

The way they played over the past 3 weeks shows that Quinn's not the problem, it's the moves that Ferguson made that held them back.

39 years and stiiiiiiiill counting.

:mad:

I would argue it a little differently. Was it JFJ who wouldn't Stajan or Wellwood more ice time during the regular season? Was it JFJ that didn't bench bums like O'Neill until after Christmas? Was it JFJ that didn't bench Belfour a lot sooner and let Tellqvist play some more.

JFJ made some bad moves, don't get me wrong but a coaches job is to win games. Quinn would rather try and coddle veterans egos first, and hope to win games instead of the opposite.

Just because some older and more useless players got injured, and Quinn was then forced to give more ice time to the kids, doesn't mean that Quinn is suddenly a genious again.

Quinn is a great coach, and if the Leafs want to keep him around next year I don't have a problem with that, as long they fire his assistant coaches and bring in Maurice as an assistant.

I hope the Leafs give Aubin the starting job next year, and instead spend money on getting a winger with talent to play with Sundin and a better defensemen to replace McCabe. I also hope they let Khavanov, Berg, and Belak go and replace them with White, Bell, and Kronwall.

fix · Post by **fix** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:57 pm

Quinn played who he was told to play...

The older and more useless players were signed by who Hap?
That's right.. JFJ.

Quinn should be back next year and I agree with you, his assistants must be replaced or at the very least, Rick Ley who does absolutely nothing to develop defencemen.
But I wouldn't go as far as bringing up Chairman Mo just yet... he's had one good year developing the kids.
Let's see if he can repeat it and then once Quinn's contract is up at the end of next year... let his record judge whether or not he should be a candidate for the Leafs job.

As for Aubin.. I agree he's the starting goalie next season (he's already been signed to a one way contract for next season now anyhow) and instead of wasting money going after a Luongo.. go after a top young sniper to play along side Mats and resign McCabe.
Isn't Brad Richards going to be available?

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:20 pm

JaysFan wrote:Quinn played who he was told to play...

The older and more useless players were signed by who Hap?
That's right.. JFJ.

QUinn doesn't exactly have a great track record as a GM either **cough** Owen Nolan **cough**

I am willing to give JFJ $20 million + to prove himself. He's fucked up, but I am willing to give him another year. As a coach, Quinn has fucked up more times than I can count and should be shown the door, or at the very least give the scenerio I posted earlier.

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:16 am

Hapday wrote:
JaysFan wrote:Quinn played who he was told to play...

The older and more useless players were signed by who Hap?
That's right.. JFJ.
QUinn doesn't exactly have a great track record as a GM either **cough** Owen Nolan **cough**

Fair enough.. that was a bad deal.

But is it any worse than the deal that JFJ pulled off to bring Leetch in at the trade deadline?

I am willing to give JFJ $20 million + to prove himself. He's fucked up, but I am willing to give him another year. As a coach, Quinn has fucked up more times than I can count and should be shown the door, or at the very least give the scenerio I posted earlier.

You've got more faith in Larry Pleau's coffee boy than I do.
Based on his record so far, I'd say he's done nothing worth meriting him another year. Why give him the chance to further screw this franchise up with bad signings.
Remember Hap, it was JFJ that resigned Belak, Berg, Antropov, signed Fergie Khavanov Junior and chose to not buy out Belfour's contract when they had the chance, not Quinn.
Are you really prepared to let him spend another $20 million on players like Allison?

As a coach, Quinn's winning record speaks for itself. There's not many coaches out there with a better record than his.
But as I said before, bring Quinn back but Rick Ley has to go, if for no other reason than to allow the young defencemen to develop under proper tutelage.

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:28 am

JaysFan wrote:
But is it any worse than the deal that JFJ pulled off to bring Leetch in at the trade deadline?

No. At the time the Leafs were a Leetch away from winning the Cup, and look at the affect playing with him (Leetch) had on McCabe and Kaberle. That was a great move. The problem in the playoffs that year was, surprise surprise, Quinn not playing the right players. He even admitted he should have played Stajan more. Well, d-uh.

JaysFan wrote: Based on his record so far, I'd say he's done nothing worth meriting him another year. Why give him the chance to further screw this franchise up with bad signings.
Remember Hap, it was JFJ that resigned Belak, Berg, Antropov, signed Fergie Khavanov Junior and chose to not buy out Belfour's contract when they had the chance, not Quinn.
Are you really prepared to let him spend another $20 million on players like Allison?

First of all, I must say that I don't completely diagree with you on JFJ making some bad moves. I agree that all of those players should have been bought out. Hell, I REALLY wanted them to buy out Belfour's contract and go after Kariya.

JFJ had very little room under the cap to work with. He did resign Kaberle for a song, and locked him up for a while.

JaysFan wrote:As a coach, Quinn's winning record speaks for itself. There's not many coaches out there with a better record than his.
But as I said before, bring Quinn back but Rick Ley has to go, if for no other reason than to allow the young defencemen to develop under proper tutelage.

Look at the looooooooong list of bums who Sundin has had to play with on his line. That rests solely on Quinn's shoulders. JFJ may have gotten Khavanov, but he is gone next year while the team has had Quinn's bums Berg and Belak on the team for a lot longer than one year.

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:33 am

Are you forgetting that Quinn's not always been the GM?
He only took on the dual role after they (thank god) ran the previous GM out of town and then Quinn fleeced him by acquiring McCabe from Chicago for basically, a bag of pucks.

Sundin's also had some very good wingers to play with... Roberts, Molgilny...

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:37 am

JaysFan wrote:Are you forgetting that Quinn's not always been the GM?
He only took on the dual role after they (thank god) ran the previous GM out of town and then Quinn fleeced him by acquiring McCabe from Chicago for basically, a bag of pucks.

As GM, he also let Steve Sullivan, Jason Smith, and Danny Markov go for bags of pucks....

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:43 am

Hapday wrote:
JaysFan wrote:Are you forgetting that Quinn's not always been the GM?
He only took on the dual role after they (thank god) ran the previous GM out of town and then Quinn fleeced him by acquiring McCabe from Chicago for basically, a bag of pucks.
As GM, he also let Steve Sullivan, Jason Smith, and Danny Markov go for bags of pucks....

One of those does not belong with the others...

Markov? Come on.. he's a 5th defenceman at best. Well, except on a team that has a GM who signs Berg, Belak and Khavanov...

But the point is moot, I'm not saying that Quinn should take over the GM role.. fire JFJ absolutely but Quinn's role as a coach is the one best suited for him.

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:53 am

JaysFan wrote:Well, except on a team that has a GM who signs Berg, Belak and Khavanov...

JFJ re-signed two of those, but only signed one of them. FYI, Markov is better then any of them.

fix · Post by **fix** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:05 am

Hapday wrote:
JaysFan wrote:Well, except on a team that has a GM who signs Berg, Belak and Khavanov...

JFJ re-signed two of those, but only signed one of them. FYI, Markov is better then any of them.

Who negotiated all of their signings this past offseason when they could have not been brought in?

That's right Hap, JFJ did.

Resigned, signed.. same thing.