Moderator: Jesus H Christ
The bill -- which would make being an illegal immigrant a felony, increase penalties for employees who hire illegal immigrants, and authorize a fence on the border to keep them out, among other provisions -- prompted mass protests over the weekend in downtown Los Angeles and around the country.
Word.The Seer wrote:If we do nothing about open borders, those that protest will be happy cuz American values and culture will gradually evolve to resemble those miserable countries that they originally fled from...
mvscal wrote:Then you are a fucking fool. Straight up. Obama is the dumbest motherfucker who has ever run for President.PSUFAN wrote:Seriously - I think we need a different approach - strong, intelligent, principled, and fresh. Obama seems to fit the bill for me best at this point.
FTFYSirfindafold wrote:But they do all the work nobody wants to do for 2 dollars an hour.
Sudden Sam wrote:This entire issue cracks me up.
Illegal immigrants...illegal immigration...illegal aliens.
Uh...am I missin' somethin' here?
At least we never gave them blankets laced with smallpox as a gift. Scoreboard Spain on that one.titlover wrote:^^^^^ too bad they sucked at it.BSmack wrote:Word.The Seer wrote:If we do nothing about open borders, those that protest will be happy cuz American values and culture will gradually evolve to resemble those miserable countries that they originally fled from...
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Some may be, dunno. But the ones who work at my company are making from 12 to 18 an hour. And no, they aren't illegals, but have green cards.mvscal wrote:Mexicans aren't working for 2 bucks an hour, dumbshit.
And that's the $64,000 question.RedHerring wrote:Why the hell are all these demonstrators waving mexican flags?!
Can't they do that shit ....in mexico?
Word.TenTallBen wrote:Where the fuck do these people get off thinking that they can criminalize something that is illegal???
Can't speak to that 'tart, but I'll take your word for it.poptart wrote:The picture is painted MUCH differently than the way you painted it, Wagon, the closer to the Mexican border you get.
Try living in Houston for a couple of months and you'll be singing a different tune.
April 20th, I am OUT of H-town.
Demonstrators weren't demanding better treatment for immigrants. Demonstrators didn't want to be deported or charged with a felony for being an illegal immigrant or aiding and abetting illegal immigrants.WASHINGTON - The Senate Judiciary Committee approved sweeping election-year legislation Monday that clears the way for 11 million illegal aliens to seek U.S. citizenship, a victory for demonstrators who had spilled into the streets by the hundreds of thousands demanding better treatment for immigrants.
With a bipartisan coalition in control, the committee also voted down proposed criminal penalties on immigrants found to be in the country illegally. It approved a new temporary program allowing entry for 1.5 million workers seeking jobs in the agriculture industry.
"All Americans wanted fairness and they got it this evening," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., who played a pivotal role in drafting the legislation.
There was no immediate reaction from the White House, and Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C. said he hoped President Bush would participate in efforts to fashion consensus legislation. "The only thing that's off the table is inaction," said Graham, who voted for the committee bill.
The 12-6 vote broke down along unusual lines, with a majority of the panel's Republicans opposed to the measure even though their party controls the Senate.....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-new ... omment?q=1
http://localnewsleader.com/jackson/stor ... &id=165119
Mexico Optimistic for Immigrant Program
Staff and agencies
27 March, 2006
By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, 17 minutes ago
MEXICO CITY - Heartened by huge marches across the United States and President Bush ‘s support for a guest-worker program, Mexico remains optimistic the immigration bill in Congress can be transformed into something that will benefit millions of illegal migrants.
Mexican President Vicente Fox has been pushing for a migration accord that would grant legal status to many of the estimated 6 million undocumented Mexicans in the United States. He is likely to bring up the topic when he meets with Bush starting Thursday in the Caribbean resort city of Cancun.
Debate began Monday in the Senate on bills that would make it a felony to be in the United States illegally, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants and erect additional fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border.
Although a bill granting amnesty to illegal immigrants is unlikely to be approved by Congress, Fox has remained hopeful a guest-worker program will be put in place before he leaves office on Dec. 1.
If the United States approves a guest-worker program, it would bolster Fox‘s image and aid the prospects of Felipe Calderon, presidential candidate for Fox‘s National Action Party, or PAN, said George Grayson, a Mexico expert at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Va.
But the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks turned the U.S. focus to enhanced border security, not immigration reform.
Immigration and border security — and the balance between the two — is expected to dominate the two days of meetings between Fox, Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Cancun.
The international community "must share responsibility so that those forced to migrate be regulated by plans that include respecting their dignity," Derbez said.
Among the report‘s suggestions are creating more jobs at home for would-be migrants and providing housing credits.
With Bush‘s approval ratings falling and Fox about to leave office, analysts say their summit this week will have little influence on the immigration debate.
"Bush is so weak that he won‘t be able to deliver on any of his promises," Grayson said. "You‘ve got one lame duck meeting with a probably lamer duck. What you‘ll see is two lame ducks fluttering around."
Sirfindafold wrote:War Wagon wrote: In short, they are good people and good neighbors. Hardly the way some of you ignorant xenophobic fucks would like to portray them.
30% of prison inmates in this country are illegal immigrants.
mothster wrote:3 hots and a cot, they're above the fraySirfindafold wrote:War Wagon wrote: In short, they are good people and good neighbors. Hardly the way some of you ignorant xenophobic fucks would like to portray them.
30% of prison inmates in this country are illegal immigrants.
I have a co-worker who was seriously injured 3 years ago in a crash with a 15 year old illegal who rear ended him doing 50 MPH. The kid walked way and was deported, he's still walking around on crutches.Neely8 wrote:An illegal immigrant killed my stepfather and stepbrother by running their car off the highway. I think my opinion on illegals being in this country is pretty obvious......Sirfindafold wrote:30% of prison inmates in this country are illegal immigrants.War Wagon wrote: In short, they are good people and good neighbors. Hardly the way some of you ignorant xenophobic fucks would like to portray them.
BSmack wrote:I have a co-worker who was seriously injured 3 years ago in a crash with a 15 year old illegal who rear ended him doing 50 MPH. The kid walked way and was deported, he's still walking around on crutches.Neely8 wrote:An illegal immigrant killed my stepfather and stepbrother by running their car off the highway. I think my opinion on illegals being in this country is pretty obvious......Sirfindafold wrote: 30% of prison inmates in this country are illegal immigrants.
At the very least, the government of Mexico should be held liable for the actions of their uninsured citizens who are in the United States.
If you do that, you will only increase the number of illegals. The only way to stop illegals is to make staying in Mexico as good an option as risking illegal entry into the US.mvscal wrote:Include their their education and healthcare tab and you've got a deal.BSmack wrote:At the very least, the government of Mexico should be held liable for the actions of their uninsured citizens who are in the United States.
Yep. Even Hillary could win if she triangulated this one properly.This issue is wide ass open. Whichever party gets out front on it first is going to win the next Presidential election.
BSmack wrote:Yep. Even Hillary could win if she triangulated this one properly.This issue is wide ass open. Whichever party gets out front on it first is going to win the next Presidential election.
mvscal wrote:No she isn't. Two and a half years is a lifetime in politics.Risa wrote:BSmack wrote: Yep. Even Hillary could win if she triangulated this one properly.
she's already fucked up on that point.
For that to happen, one of the two current major parties has to go belly up.Uncle Fester wrote:This country is aching for a third political party.
yeah, barf, whatever. in response, a poster put this up:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blume ... l#comments
Max Blumenthal
03.28.2006
Walkout! (17 comments )
On Monday, thousands of Latino high school students walked out of their classrooms en masse and took to the streets of cities from Detroit to Dallas to Los Angeles to protest the draconian, anti-immigrant "Sensenbrenner bill" (aka. HR 4437). Walkouts in Los Angeles spread east into the Inland Empire and south to Santa Ana, where police provoked a brief scuffle by wading into the protest with full riot gear and batons drawn. 25,000 students from the Los Angeles Unified School District are estimated to have participated in the otherwise peaceful demonstrations.
As was the case during Sunday's mass mobilization, the walkouts' most dramatic moment arrived at the city's main artery: the 101 freeway. There, according to an eyewitness I spoke to last night, 200 jubilant, flag-waving students paraded down the center lane while a cavalcade of LAPD motorcycle cops followed closely behind, ensuring that the backed-up traffic didn't plow them over (sorry, no pictures for now). While the walkouts were planned well in advance, the idea of taking to the freeway seemed to have been devised organically and disseminated through word-of-mouth, text messages and Myspace.
Many people I talked with around the city yesterday questioned whether Edward James Olmos' newly released documentary about mass Chicano student protests against discriminatory educational policies in 1968 East L.A. high schools, "Walkout," influenced yesterday's events. In an interview yesterday with Hoy, an L.A.-based Spanish language paper, Olmos refuted this idea by claiming the conditions that precipitated the protests against HR 4437 were drastically different than those that animated Chicano life in 1968. However, a student demonstrator from Manual Arts told Hoy, "Before I saw the movie, I didn't think we could do something like that. I didn't understand how you could affect change. But after I saw it, I felt in my heart that I could do something."
The tactics employed by student demonstrators also bore striking resonances of those conceived by the Situationist International, which stressed the liberation of ordinary life (school) by creating improvised, participatory situations (parading down the middle of the freeway during rush hour). Though I doubt Guy Debord's manifestos were in the front of any of the demonstrators' minds yesterday, the walkouts neatly established an open-ended, dramatic "situation" that captivated the media and sustained the momentum of the weekend demos.
As Monday drew to a close, the tone of many leaders of L.A.'s Latino community shifted from mobilization to discretion. A popular Spanish-language morning radio host instrumental in promoting the weekend mobilizations, El Piolin por la Manana, appeared during commercial breaks on Univision to thank viewers for their participation in the demos. The message was subtle but clear: the mobilizations were a smashing success, but any further activity would be gratuitious and counter-productive. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa joined in by expressing gratitude to the demonstrators while admonishing students to return to school on Tuesday.
Though the mobilizations are over, their effect will be felt for generations. Under mounting pressure, the Senate Judiciary Committe overwhelmingly approved a bill providing a path to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants -- a humiliating blow to Majority Leader Bill Frist and the reactionary forces pulling his strings. A new movement has been galvanized which will not only transform the face of American politics, it will challenge the country to, as one dreamer once put it, rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed.
The Real Second Class Citizens, Massive Illegal Immigration is Causing.
Legal immigrants who may be Mexican and minorities such as Blacks and Legal construction workers/U.S. citizens have been turned into secod class citizens by MASSIVE numbers of illegal aliens/immigrats.
Because:
1) Their wages have been driven down significantly. More than 50 percent downward for skilled construction workers. I worked my way through college with construction jobs that today, would pay too little and are hard to get! Thats also a reduction in 50 percent of the taxes being paid into the system for such jobs (and actually much more.. see below).
2) Unlike the illegal Aliens these LEGAL individuals/citizens are not paid under the table or as 1099 employees which is also illegal by the way. The LEGAL workers have to pay social security, Medicare and income taxes and thier employers also have to make such tax P/R payments plus FUTA/SUTA/Workers Comp making legal workers less desirable/more costly to hire. The illegal alien gets to work tax free for the most part, does not file tax returns. So while the illegal alien does not pay taxes for the most part nor does his employer pay his P/R taxes for said illegal worker, the LEGAL workers who do pay, get the same benefits such as healthcare/education for their kids/roads/police/fire departments and etc. including in state college tuition as those illegal workers not paying these taxes. The legal workers kids get the crowded classroom and failing overloaded school systems that those who pay no taxes for the most part also get!
Thats not fair and its the legal workers who have become 2nd class citizens compared to those who are here illegally, but get to keep more of the money they get paid and then also lower the wages of those who do pay into the sysatem and who would be paying more if their wages were not being undercut by illegals and had not dropped 50 percent in real dollars.
They not only violate the law when they enter illegally, but they work illegally every day violating our laws, they illegally avoid taxes every day they are here illegally also violating our laws.
The Illegals send large sums of money back to Mexico, which means they dont pays sales taxes on the money if spent here as do the legal workers. Another major negative to both tax collections and our economy! Its a large economic leak!
So please tell me why you have no compassion for the REAL second class citizens that are being created or the increased tax burden on all legal residents who must make up for this lost tax revenue. Or do you believe in a free lunch for some and ironically those who violate the law?
The only way an illgeal and his employer pay P/R taxes is if the alien is using a stolen Identity/SSN# which of the few hired as legal employees, they do in all cases!
Regards
By: viper on March 28, 2006 at 01:49pm
That douche would sell you out the second he hit paydirt.ChargerMike wrote:Wiener for President!
