Puerto Vallarta - Anyone been there?

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:04 am

Thinking of doing the family vacation there.

I know, don't drink the wattah.......

How were the restaurants?

Did you rent a car or just Taxi?

What is there to do besides the typical beach / resort stuff?

TIA

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:14 am

What is there to do besides the typical beach / resort stuff?

Play "Dodge the Messican" everytime they come up and want you to buy some piece of crap necklace or bracelet they "made".

Mike Backer · Post by **Mike Backer** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:06 am

There is probably plenty of stuff there you could burn.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:08 am

'Family vacation' is the ultimate oxymoron.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:29 am

I've been to Honduras.

Depending on the map you use, the two places are either ].............[ , or ].......................................[ far away from each other so they're probably pretty much the same.

You'll probably want to avoid drinking the water.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:37 am

Scott,

Haven't been to Puerto, but I've been to Mazatlan and Acapulco. I imagine PV isn't too different ... lots of bars, decent beaches, cheap drinks and lots of shit to do, even for the kids (parasailing, boat rides, sightseeing, renting motorscooters, etc).

Don't rent a car. Way too much of a hassle, and way too many risks. Taxis are relatively cheap, though you'll want to tip the driver generously, if he's a decent dude, which most of them try to be. They also drive like complete maniacs, so if you go, tell your kids that you all will be be going on your first "fun" rollercoaster/tiltawhirl ride as soon as you get out of the airport.

Don't drink the water unless it's bottled, obviously, though most resort hotel water is fine. If in doubt though, just drink beer. It's good for the kids there, too.

As for meals, ask the locals (hotel employees, guides, etc.) where some of the good, out-of-the-way (non-tourist) places are. The best food in Mexico, by far is seafood, especially in the vacation spots on the ocean. I have had some of the best seafood EVAH in Mexico, and that includes visits to the Texas, Florida, S.C. and Calif. coasts.

Oh, and if you smoke or dip, bring enough American snuff with you, as the cigs are horrid down there. I don't even want to think about the dip.

P.S. Rack pop. If you go to PV, you'll understand. Family vacation is an oxymoron, especially there. More fucking hotties there and in every other Mexican port party town than Dins has had in 10 lifetimes, and that's just the Mexican chicks who speak English, in the offseason.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:28 am

Been there twice, have lots of info, but too tired to post at the moment. Will list later.....

1. Golf is good in Nuevo Vallarta which is just North of Puerto Vallarta by about 10 miles.

2. Hoya de Mismaloya is about 8 miles south, and has that restaurant/bar where they filmed Night of the Iguana....

3. Across the road in Mismaloya is El Eden, which is the jungle where they filmed Predator....and there is a kool bar there called Chico's Hideway....

4. The city is typical mexican..errr....American.....with trinkets, bad spanish, bad English, and tons of bars catering to gringos....

5. Beaches that front the good hotels have the water toys for rent; but be careful riding the parachutes....the tow ropes can get old and frayed....

6. Find a cheap boat rental and venture to places inaccessable on the coast by land.....

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:21 pm

Thanks for the info people. Found some great reviews of our resort and PV in general at tripadvisor.com

We did the tourist thing in San Diego last summer, so this time we were looking for more of the Corona Commercial - a lay in the hammock and get hammered thing.

#1 son and I will try and get in a round of golf, and we will probably check and see if they offer resort dives somewhere close. We've done that in Aruba and St. Maarten - Pretty cool sheet.

I Just booked the trip today using my FF and Hotel Miles.

The best thing about frequent flyer and hotel rewards is they are free - the worst thing is it's like playing musical fucking chairs to coordinate dates that are not blacked out.

And the free flight wasn't really free, either. They whacked me for $66 per ticket for some silly shit, but after spending an hour fucking around 2 web sites, I wasn't going to complain too much.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:46 pm

send more US $$ to Mexico
--that's the ticket !!

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:41 am

send more US $$ to Mexico
--that's the ticket !!

Turning racist along with Senile, now too?

Hmm... My Hotel is owned by an a fortune 500 american Corporation, and I'm flying down on a US based Airline on a McDonnell Douglas Jet. But I'm sure little things like facts still escape you.

I'd recommend you read a book called "the world is Flat" but since it doesn't have pictures and the type size is 12, I'm sure you won't.

BTW, I hired Messicans to put the new roof on my house, too.

Best Subs I ever hired.

They Were $2,000 cheaper than the next lowest quote and got done in exact amount of time they said they would.

First class quality work at a fair price?

I'm sure you'll find something to complain about that, too.

Don't forget to pick your sheets up at the dry cleaners.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:42 am

Wolfman wrote:send more US $$ to Mexico
--that's the ticket !!

Turning racist along with Senile, now too?

Hmm... My Hotel is owned by an a fortune 500 american Corporation, and I'm flying down on a US based Airline on a McDonnell Douglas Jet. But I'm sure little things like facts still escape you.

I'd recommend you read a book called "the world is Flat" but since it doesn't have pictures and the type size is 12, I'm sure you won't.

BTW, I hired Messicans to put the new roof on my house, too.

Best Subs I ever hired.

They Were $2,000 cheaper than the next lowest quote and got done in exact amount of time they said they would.

First class quality work at a fair price?

I'm sure you'll find something to complain about that, too.

Don't forget to pick your sheets up at the dry cleaners, dumbass

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:49 am

KC Scott wrote:
send more US $$ to Mexico
--that's the ticket !!
Turning racist along with Senile, now too?

he's not racist, he's just more aware of the big picture than you are.

You are the asshole. Boycotting Mexico should be bigger
than Boycotting Aruba... this is something real here, but
fat chance, right?

Hmm... My Hotel is owned by an a fortune 500 american Corporation, and I'm flying down on a US based Airline on a McDonnell Douglas Jet. But I'm sure little things like facts still escape you.

How global is that hotel chain and that airline?

how many foreigners using those hb-1 visas will mcdonnel douglas
put on the payroll because they're cheaper than americans?

BTW, I hired Messicans to put the new roof on my house, too.

Best Subs I ever hired.

Nothing like the promise and delivery of slave labor to make a bastard spit in the eye of his country, his constitution and his countrymen.

They Were $2,000 cheaper than the next lowest quote and got done in exact amount of time they said they would.

First class quality work at a fair price?

You're one of those assholes who considers 'free' the equivalent of 'fair' right? or that it should be, at any rate.

like those old timers (whose grandparents were those? Lion's?) who start out with a 10% tip, and then deduct according to their impossible standards to keep more money in their own pocket.

I'm sure you'll find something to complain about that, too.

Don't forget to pick your sheets up at the dry cleaners.

I'm sure he does his own laundry, and doesn't have to 'hire slave wage cheat the government on taxes help' to wipe his ass and make him feel like he's 'made it'.

You fucking asshole

But it won't hit you just how bad this shit is, until it happens to you.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:50 am

The Assassin wrote:
What is there to do besides the typical beach / resort stuff?

Play "Dodge the Messican" everytime they come up and want you to buy some piece of crap necklace or bracelet they "made".

Leave m2 outta this, thanks.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:52 am

Ken wrote:
The Assassin wrote:
What is there to do besides the typical beach / resort stuff?

Play "Dodge the Messican" everytime they come up and want you to buy some piece of crap necklace or bracelet they "made".
Leave m2 outta this, thanks.

I said Dodge the Messican not Dodge the Queer.

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:56 am

KC Scott wrote:BTW, I hired Messicans to put the new roof on my house, too.

Best Subs I ever hired.

Fuck you, KC SCott.

Slave-wage supporting, middle class shrinking, blacks can't get a job encouraging, anti-American, asshole mother fucker.

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:09 am

what school locks a library up during school hours???! it's the freaking library. you can skip school, unsupervised -- for high school class credit in one infamous case from last week -- but you can't head to the library.

where are the adults at?

does anyone out arizona way have the real story on this? if this even really happened?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-new ... omment?q=1

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/9256.php

'Hate-speak' at school draws scrutiny
ERIC SAGARA
Published: 04.13.2006

A Tucson High Magnet School student will tell state lawmakers next week that she was forced by school officials to listen to a pro-immigrant speech.
Senior Mon-yee Fung,17, voluntarily attended an assembly where co-founder of the United Farm Workers Union Dolores Huerta spoke, but could not leave after Huerta began saying "Republicans hate Latinos."

"I wanted to listen to what they had to say, but all they had to say was hate speak," said Fung, head of the school's Teenage Republicans Club. "They're saying that I don't like Mexicans or that I don't try to understand what they're doing, but I am trying to understand."

State Rep. Jonathan Paton, R-Tucson, wants Fung to tell her story to Fox News today at 5 p.m.
"She was forced to listen to a political speech for over 40 minutes," Paton said. "To me that's a real problem because we shouldn't have the schools as a forum for political speech. They should be a forum for education."

Huerta said she was invited to speak at Tucson High as part of the effort to keep students in school and disagreed with Paton's assertion that political speech has no place in school.

"This is a terrific opportunity for young people to learn what the democratic process is about, the way that bills are passed," Huerta said. "I explained this whole procedure to the students."
Huerta said her "Republicans hate Latinos" comment was based on the number of anti-immigration bills sponsored by Republicans.

"Large numbers of the Republican Party are anti-immigrant or anti-Latino," she said. "I can justify that."

Paton sent a letter to Tucson Unified School District officials last week questioning the April 3 assembly and the district's response to the student walkouts that occurred the week before in protest to proposed immigration law.

He contends that regardless of the topic and which political group is sounding off on an issue, the school is not a place for that to happen.
Tucson High Principal Abel Morado said he was unaware of the incident involving Fung.

"I will take the young lady's word for it," he said. "It may have been a supervision issue. We ask teachers to properly supervise their students during an assembly and sit with their class."

Students were told they could go to the assembly or the library, but the library locked because of miscommunication.

"I did learn after the fact that the library was closed," Morado said. "It may have been that the librarian chose to go to the assembly. That's my responsibility."

Morado said the school is a "wonderful venue" to see the opposing sides of an issue, but acknowledged that no effort has been made on his part to bring in somebody who supports the controversial immigration bill, HR 4437.

"I don't see that it is my role to turn around and say that "OK, we've had this speaker, now let's turn around and get this speaker," he said. "If there was somebody in favor of that and they wanted to speak at Tucson High, I wouldn't oppose that if my students invited them or if my teachers invited them."

Fung joined the Teenage Republicans Club because she often hears only the liberal side of issues discussed in classrooms at Tucson High.

"I wanted to show the students that there was another side to al the beliefs that the teachers had and were preaching in the classrooms," she said. "I believe that you shouldn't only state one side and not state the other at all."

Morado said that, with a student body of 2,700, he occasionally hears stories similar to Fung's and that he will spend more time discussing objectivity with his faculty.

"We get those concerns from time to time and I think we get them on both sides of the spectrum," Morado said. "We want (teachers) to deliver a balanced approach in their curriculum, especially if they are discussing a political issue."

Flung also said she was asked to remove a poster recruiting young Republicans because it was "too inflammatory."

The poster read "Be an American, join the Teenage Republican Club."

Morado said the poster was removed because some thought the implication was that one was not American unless they joined the club.

Fung is worried that her appearance on national television and in front of state legislators next Thursday may cost her friends who think differently than her.

"It's worth it, because I want them to see that even though I am Republican, I'm still a real person and that I do care about the community," she said.

Mon-yee Fung

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:19 am

FORUM KILLER ALERT!!!!

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:23 am

I thought I was hidden, WTF?

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:25 am

REGGIE!!

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:25 am

Bwa!

Nice melt fatass.

How global is that hotel chain and that airline?

Now your against American companies that sell their products globally? Gee that makes a lot of sense in a world economy?

how many foreigners using those hb-1 visas will mcdonnel douglas
put on the payroll because they're cheaper than americans?

My wife is a corporate recruiter, she specializes in doing HB-1s. You'd be amazed at the demand for those who speak cantoneese, right now. (and she makes 30% of first year for everyone she places)

How many of Yo Frends be learning a language to make themselves more marketable in the global economy?

That's the difference, IB.

The Messicans want a job, while you just want a paycheck.

Pssst...... the entitlement train has left the station and it ain't coming back.

Now why don't you run along and go back to being the poster child of deterence against internet porn.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:29 am

The Seer wrote:Been there twice, have lots of info, but too tired to post at the moment. Will list later.....

1. Golf is good in Nuevo Vallarta which is just North of Puerto Vallarta by about 10 miles.

2. Hoya de Mismaloya is about 8 miles south, and has that restaurant/bar where they filmed Night of the Iguana....

3. Across the road in Mismaloya is El Eden, which is the jungle where they filmed Predator....and there is a kool bar there called Chico's Hideway....

4. The city is typical mexican..errr....American.....with trinkets, bad spanish, bad English, and tons of bars catering to gringos....

5. Beaches that front the good hotels have the water toys for rent; but be careful riding the parachutes....the tow ropes can get old and frayed....

6. Find a cheap boat rental and venture to places inaccessable on the coast by land AND CARRY A GLOCK.....

FIXED

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:27 am

KC Scott wrote:Bwa!

Nice melt fatass.

How dare you use the 'klan' card on wolfman,
when you congratulate yourself for putting
fellow Americans out of work so you can save
a buck.

Hire American, you jackass.

Don't cheat on employee/contractor taxes or benefits.

How global is that hotel chain and that airline?

Now your against American companies that sell their products globally? Gee that makes a lot of sense in a world economy? [/quote]

think globally, do locally.

otherwise why would you give a damn yourself mentioning whether the hotel or the company or the plane were american owned.

if you don't take care of the local,
someone else is gonna do it for you.....
in ways that leave you behind.

but perhaps you can tell me why it's better to encourage a service-based/assembly-based economy over a manufacturing-based economy after all. i honestly don't.. and didn't know there was a concrete difference (though i would have recognized the abstract) until the port and immigration nonsense came to heads.

how can America be on top of the game, if America doesn't manufacture in the game?

Even the president, during his visit to India, could only mention fast food as ways that America was exporting herself to India, changing India and India was buying.

Fast food. why would a KFC or a Domino's have to be the first thing on the president's mind? the first thing to pop out of his mouth about our exports to India? you know what I mean?

How do KFC/Domino's franchises hiring Indian employees and managers using local grain and meat (unless American fields are providing all of the foodstuff used?) putting more Americans at work and increasing the American bottom line for all American citizens?

I don't know.

how many foreigners using those hb-1 visas will mcdonnel douglas
put on the payroll because they're cheaper than americans?
My wife is a corporate recruiter, she specializes in doing HB-1s. You'd be amazed at the demand for those who speak cantoneese, right now. (and she makes 30% of first year for everyone she places)

How many of Yo Frends be learning a language to make themselves more marketable in the global economy?

Se habla espagnol?

That's the difference, IB.

Americans have to learn Spanish to survive in America,
starting at the bottom and working up; but only have to
learn other languages beyond Spanish and English outside
America?

People only learn languages beause there's a need to.
If there's no need, you don't learn it. What's Cantonese
gonna do me here in the middle of Albuquerque? I don't
even really need Spanish, unless I want to backtalk someone
trying to talk shit in a second conversation being held
within earshot.

The Messicans want a job, while you just want a paycheck.

The Mexicans are only hired because they're cheaper.
Period.

Just ask those 70, mostly black, contractors from Alabama who were
ASKED to come to New Orleans to help put things right after Katrina,
but were immediately sent packing as soon as 'the Mexicans' came.

It wasn't because those 70 workers didn't want a job.

It wasn't because those 70 workers did shit jobs.

It was only because 'the Mexicans' worked for a lot cheaper,
and could be exploited much more handily than those 70
American citizens.

And when China comes calling, 'the Mexicans' find out just
how much their 'work ethic' is *really* appreciated for --

jack. and shit.

You're part of the problem, KCScott.

Pssst...... the entitlement train has left the station and it ain't coming back.

So why is the US going to grant Amnesty to 20 million (ahem, officially, '11 million') illegal aliens?

What happens when those aliens figure out that being citizens is worth less than being an illegal alien?

stop ladling out from the gravy train, yourself.

Now why don't you run along and go back to being the poster child of deterence against internet porn.

If i could wear it... i wouldn't wear it to the office,
but sure, why not elsewhere, where appropriate?
i just can't right now.

your boobs are bigger.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:16 am

IB Eating anything that won't crawl off the plate wrote: congratulate yourself for putting
fellow Americans out of work so you can save
a buck.

$2,000 of them actually. And the work was done right and on time.

Yea, that's a real tough decision.

Bwa!

think globally, do locally.

otherwise why would you give a damn yourself mentioning whether the hotel or the company or the plane were american owned.

if you don't take care of the local,
someone else is gonna do it for you.....
in ways that leave you behind.

Way to Sissyroo up what that nugget of idiocy. You made the comment about spending money to go to Puerto, I just showed you how American companies profit.

Confuse yourself much, crackhead?

but perhaps you can tell me why it's better to encourage a service-based/assembly-based economy over a manufacturing-based economy after all. i honestly don't.. and didn't know there was a concrete difference (though i would have recognized the abstract) until the port and immigration nonsense came to heads.

how can America be on top of the game, if America doesn't manufacture in the game?

I'm laughing at you. really, really hard.

America's fortunes were and will always be made on technological innovation. Labor and the disemenation of jobs were a natural result.

Tell me you knew.

People only learn languages beause there's a need to.
If there's no need, you don't learn it. What's Cantonese
gonna do me here in the middle of Albuquerque? I don't
even really need Spanish, unless I want to backtalk someone
trying to talk shit in a second conversation being held
within earshot.

This is why you will never be more than a smudge. Why would anyone who wants to progress want cantoneese as a second language?

Gee...... maybe it has something to do with the explosion of growth in China?

I'm sure you don't get out much, so here's a news flash, lardass - There is major economic development happening all over the world. And guess what? It's market driven. *Shock* - So if we as a country want to compete in China, India, Brazil, Russia, etc. we would need skill sets that allow us to do so.

Now we aren't going to compete making widgets, but where we will compete is with technology and information. I just attended a conference last week where I saw a 100 Asian companies all trying to sell security electronics cheaper than each other. Do I want to play in that game? Fuck no. But the game I play in is designing a way for all those gadgets to to work together, in a nice neat package delivered to the customer.

I'm sure your unable to understand what I just said, or how it relates to what's going on, so why don't you just go have some more pie or call Van.

The Mexicans are only hired because they're cheaper.

Nope - Hired beacuse they did the work on time and came recommended - I was the 4th house they had done in our subdivision - The fact I saved $2,000 over the next lowest bid was just icing on the proverbial cake. Oh...... I said cake.

I'm sure your headed for the little debbie's right now.

Just ask those 70, mostly black, contractors from Alabama who were
ASKED to come to New Orleans to help put things right after Katrina,
but were immediately sent packing as soon as 'the Mexicans' came.

It wasn't because those 70 workers didn't want a job.

It wasn't because those 70 workers did shit jobs.

It was only because 'the Mexicans' worked for a lot cheaper,
and could be exploited much more handily than those 70
American citizens.

Couldn't care less.

Supply and demand - pure and simple.

Unskilled labor is a commodity.

Again, tell me you knew

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:20 pm

Hell Scott, we are both white and successful in our chosen professions. Obviously America's problems our are fault.

Tell me you knew.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:58 pm

Have a nice vacation Scott. Leave it to Risa to put over 1000 pointless words into a multitide of posts that did nothing but kill this thread.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:36 pm

OK - We're back.

Not a lot of time for details, but here are some things I've learned from our trip:

1. Find out in advance if there's a "Rainy Season" that starts the last week of July

2. Everything in Mexico is negotiable - Including your cab rides.

3. If your religous, pray a lot during those cab rides. Getting T Boned in a Nissan Sentra by a Bus is going to leave a mark.

4. When you get out of baggage claim, and men steer your family towards a counter where they start to tell you all about Beautiful Puerto Vallarta and all the things there is to do - This is Not the Bureau of Tourism.

5. When they offer you discounts to attractions, Free golf and other things, for just a couple hours of your time - Run like Hell

6. Selling time shares is the second largest means of employment for the Puerto Vallartans - The first is selling Sterling Silver Jewlery, Fish wind Chimes made from cocoanuts, blankets and 1,000 other assorted things up and down the beach in front of your hotel all day.

7. Corona at the Marriott is $3 per bottle - Corona at Wal Mart is $0.84 per bottle - You do the math.

8. Despite what the locals say - a Peso is not worth a dime. It's worth $.00937 - Good Luck trying to do that math and better luck trying to find a place that doesn't rip you off on the exchange rate

9. Never conver currency at the airport

10. If you have a teenager, take their drivers license and lock it in the Hotel safe. This will avoid spending half a day at the US Consulate getting said dumbass teenager proper ID to get back into the US.

11. If your in Puerto Vallarta, and it's raining hard, you don't look stupid sitting at the swim up bar doing shots with Corona chasers - It's a vacation

12. When snorkeling close to rocks, beware of "Ze Surge" or you will face plant on said rocks.

13. Negotiate your waverunner rental down. Then act like you don't see them waveing you back into shore when your time is up.

14. There are like 2,000 brands of Tequilia - Try them all

15. Buy the Cuervo Special Tradecial with the numbered bottle. It doesn't get you any drunker, but it impresses others who think you've bought a limited edition

16. If you need to buy flip flops and your foot is larger than size 9 - You'r shit out of luck

17. Did I mention if anyone comes up to you on the street and starts calling you "Amigo" he wants you to go look at a time share?

More later...........

Dog · Post by **Dog** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:45 pm

There is a killer restaurant up on the hill, serves lobster larger than I've ever seen before. I'll have to ask the wife if she remembers the name of the place cause I have short term memory problems.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:49 pm

I like travel logs, whether reading 'em or writing 'em. I've never been to Puerto Vallarta but I should just go ahead and wing one anyway and nobody would know the difference...

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:51 pm

Van wrote:I like travel logs

OK, here's one, since you're such a swell guy...

I went to the fridge(sup dolly).

While there, I made sure to see the sights -- 3 week old mystery vegetables, assorted condoments that won't be used up by 2015, etc. The usual stuff.

Then, I grabbed a beer.

All in all, I'd recommend it to anyone. Great trip.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:14 pm

but--
is life good ??

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:19 pm

Wolfman wrote:but--
is life good ??

Not quite CNY good...but pretty darn good.

You?

socal · Post by **socal** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:04 am

Van wrote:I like travel logs, whether reading 'em or writing 'em. I've never been to Puerto Vallarta but I should just go ahead and wing one anyway and nobody would know the difference...

You're right. You probably could have interchanged the name of your Jamaican resort with a Mexican one.

Well, you would know the difference.