World Beer Cup

[Goober McTuber]

I see that the World Beer Cup 2006 is now going on in, of all places, Washington (‘sup Dinslager). Not sure why Anhueser-Bush, Miller and Pabst were invited, I guess they give awards for the best shitty beer, too. Hopefully the Washington judges won’t go all Russian-figure-skating-judge, and the Midwest will get their rightful share of Gold Ribbons (‘sup Bell’s Brewery).


http://www.beertown.org/events/wbc/index.html

[Wolfman]

Washington ??

put your money on
Ranier or Olympia
--the Pike Street fix is in ???

[Dinsdale]

Ithe Midwest will get their rightful share of Gold Ribbons

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!



Oh, and did I mention...



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


You hayseeds are pretty fucking funny sometimes.

And maybe the reason why the event is held in Washington, is because Beervana to the South already is pretty much full up with beer events.

If you're not familiar with Beervava, the Wikipedia might be your friend. Then again, if you're unfamiliar withh Beervana, you should probably just shut up.

I may talk a lot of shit about a lot of shit, but puhleez...the U&L has forgotten more about craft brewing than the Hayseeds will ever know.

Fucking hicks. Don't change a thing -- you give the culturally different East and West Coasts a common bond -- we both get to laugh at you folks.

[Mister Bushice]

You hayseeds are pretty fucking funny sometimes.

And maybe the reason why the event is held in Washington, is because Beervana to the South already is pretty much full up with beer events.

If you're not familiar with Beervava, the Wikipedia might be your friend. Then again, if you're unfamiliar withh Beervana, you should probably just shut up.

I may talk a lot of shit about a lot of shit, but puhleez...the U&L has forgotten more about craft brewing than the Hayseeds will ever know.

Fucking hicks. Don't change a thing -- you give the culturally different East and West Coasts a common bond -- we both get to laugh at you folks.

Dins,

Perhaps you need to drink more. The U & L aren't more highly rated than other parts of the US, although the beer is good, mostly 'cause the water is good. but both beervava and beervana don't return much on wiki.

So what say you, oh liverquiverer? are you a homie, or a beer lover?

The Best Beers Of Oregon And Washington

Rank Name Score Rate Count Style
1 Hair of the Dog Dave 4.28 20 Barley Wine
2 Hair of the Dog Fred from the Wood 4.11 19 Barley Wine
3 Walking Man Jaywalker Russian Imperial Stout 4.1 26 Imperial Stout
4 Hair of the Dog Adam 4.1 523 Traditional Ale
5 LaConner India Pale Ale (Bottleworks) 4.07 154 India Pale Ale (IPA)
6 Fish Tale Leviathan Barleywine (Barrel Aged) 4.07 174 Barley Wine
7 Fish Tale Poseidons Imperial Stout (Barrel Aged) 4.07 180 Imperial Stout
8 Hair of the Dog Doggie Claws (2003-) 4.07 182 Barley Wine
9 Full Sail Bourbon Barrel Aged Black Gold Imperial Stout 4.06 62 Imperial Stout
10 Full Sail Old Boardhead Barleywine 4.02 257 Barley Wine
11 Hawks D.M.s Imperial Stout 4 99 Imperial Stout
12 Wild Duck Old Gnarley Head Barley Wine 3.99 10 Barley Wine
13 Diamond Knot IPA 3.99 76 India Pale Ale (IPA)
14 Diamond Knot Industrial IPA 3.98 26 Imperial/Double IPA
15 Rogue Imperial Stout 3.98 551 Imperial Stout
16 Hair of the Dog Fred 3.97 416 Barley Wine
17 Widmer Brothers KGB Russian Imperial Stout 3.96 34 Imperial Stout
18 Full Sail Imperial Porter Bourbon Barrel Aged 3.96 53 Baltic Porter
19 Pelican Tsunami Stout 3.95 100 Foreign Stout
20 Rogue Chocolate Stout 3.94 649 Sweet Stout
21 Full Sail Imperial Porter 3.93 127 Baltic Porter
22 Rogue Shakespeare Stout 3.93 814 Stout
23 LaConner Olde Curmudgeon 3.91 19 Barley Wine
24 Pelican India Pelican Ale 3.91 105 India Pale Ale (IPA)
25 Deschutes Jubel 2000 3.89 35 American Strong Ale

We gots more:

The Best Californian Beers

Rank Name Score Rate Count Style
1 AleSmith Barrel Aged Speedway Stout 4.43 90 Imperial Stout
2 AleSmith Speedway Stout 4.35 469 Imperial Stout
3 Stone Imperial Russian Stout 4.27 650 Imperial Stout
4 AleSmith YuleSmith India Pale Ale 4.21 386 Imperial/Double IPA
5 AleSmith Barrel Aged Old Numbskull 4.19 156 Barley Wine
6 Oggis Hop Whompus 4.18 57 American Strong Ale
7 Drakes Barley Wine Brandy Barrel 4.14 31 Barley Wine
8 Pizza Port Frank Double IPA 4.14 169 Imperial/Double IPA
9 North Coast Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout 4.12 1015 Imperial Stout
10 Drakes Jolly Rodger (2005) 4.11 14 Imperial/Double IPA
11 Double Bastard Ale 4.11 633 American Strong Ale
12 Pizza Port Cuvee de Tomme 4.1 202 Belgian Strong Ale
13 AleSmith J.P. Grays Wee Heavy Scotch Ale 4.1 290 Scotch Ale
14 Valley Brew Uberhoppy IPA 4.09 17 Imperial/Double IPA
15 Stone 02.02.02 Vertical Epic Ale 4.09 31 Belgian Strong Ale
16 Russian River Pliny the Younger 4.09 84 Imperial/Double IPA
17 Stone 6th Anniversary Porter 4.08 174 Porter
18 AleSmith IPA 4.08 333 India Pale Ale (IPA)
19 AleSmith Old Numbskull 4.08 346 Barley Wine
20 Stone Ruination IPA 4.07 776 Imperial/Double IPA
21 Stone India Pale Ale 4.06 881 India Pale Ale (IPA)
22 Pizza Port Hop 15: A Profound Hop Experience 4.05 159 Imperial/Double IPA
23 Alpine Beer Company Anniversary Pure Hoppiness 4.04 6 Imperial/Double IPA
24 Pizza Port SPF 8 Saison 4.04 73 Saison
25 AleSmith Stumblin Monk 4.02 29 Abbey Tripel
26 Pizza Port Santas Little Helper 4.02 132 Imperial Stout
27 Russian River Pliny the Elder 4.02 182 Imperial/Double IPA
28 Stone Old Guardian (Vintages through 2003) 4.02 228 Barley Wine
29 Oggis Witch Doctor 4.01 62 Imperial Stout
30 21st Amendment Bourbon Barrel Lower da Boom Barleywine 4 6 Barley Wine
31 Pizza Port Broken Keg Ice Bock 4 13 Eisbock
32 Pizza Port Lou P. Lin 4 48 Imperial/Double IPA
33 Moylans Hopsickle Imperial India Pale Ale 4 80 Imperial/Double IPA
34 Russian River Supplication 4 149 Belgian Ale
35 Marin Eldridge Grade White Knuckle Double IPA 4 151 Imperial/Double IPA
36 Alpine Beer Company Exponential Hoppiness 3.99 54 Imperial/Double IPA
37 Bear Republic Big Bear Black Stout 3.99 404 Imperial Stout
38 AleSmith Weizenbock 3.98 67 Weizen Bock
39 Arrogant Bastard Ale 3.98 1090 American Strong Ale
40 Pizza Port Le Woody 3.97 85 Belgian Ale
41 Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye Ale 3.97 461 American Strong Ale
42 Russian River Temptation 3.96 146 Belgian Ale
43 Pizza Port Hop Suey Double IPA 3.95 14 Imperial/Double IPA
44 Coast Range Russian Imperial Stout 3.95 22 Imperial Stout
45 AleSmith Grand Cru 3.95 254 Belgian Strong Ale
46 North Coast Old Stock Ale 3.95 552 Barley Wine
47 Pizza Port Night Rider 3.94 21 Imperial Stout
48 Russian River Hoptime Harvest Ale 3.93 21 India Pale Ale (IPA)
49 Stone 5th Anniversary IPA 3.93 112 India Pale Ale (IPA)
50 Oaked Arrogant Bastard Ale 3.93 174 American Strong Ale
51 Sierra Nevada Harvest Ale 3.93 229 American Pale Ale
52 Lagunitas B2K 3.92 11 Eisbock
53 Oggis 1701 Tricentennial Barleywine 3.92 25 Barley Wine
54 Oggis Hop Juice 3.91 72 Imperial/Double IPA
55 Pizza Port Mother of All Beers 3.91 107 Abt/Quadrupel
56 Anchor Porter 3.91 874 Porter
57 Sierra Nevada Bigfoot 3.91 960 Barley Wine
58 Stone 4th Anniversary IPA 3.9 29 India Pale Ale (IPA)
59 Anchor Old Foghorn Ale 3.9 614 Barley Wine
60 Alpine Beer Company Pure Hoppiness 3.89 141 India Pale Ale (IPA)
61 Pizza Port Doheny Double IPA 3.88 22 Imperial/Double IPA
62 AleSmith Evil Dead Red Ale 3.88 34 American Strong Ale
63 Pizza Port Mo Betta Bretta 3.88 104 Belgian Ale
64 Lagunitas Olde Gnarly Wine 3.88 162 Barley Wine
65 Bear Republic Racer 5 3.88 441 India Pale Ale (IPA)
66 Pizza Port SPF 45 Saison 3.87 130 Saison
67 Stone Smoked Porter 3.87 620 Porter
68 Pizza Port Old Viscosity 3.86 12 American Strong Ale
69 North Coast Anniversary X Ale 3.86 14 Old Ale
70 Oggis Ding Ding Double IPA 3.86 36 Imperial/Double IPA
71 Lost Coast 8 Ball Stout 3.86 367 Sweet Stout
72 Russian River Deification 3.85 28 Belgian Ale
73 AleSmith Decadence 3.85 153 Old Ale
74 Moylans Moylander Double IPA 3.85 201 Imperial/Double IPA
75 Drakes Denogginizer 3.84 21 Imperial/Double IPA
76 Pizza Port Le Woody Brune 3.84 29 Flemish Sour Ale
77 HopTown DUIPA Imperial IPA 3.84 62 Imperial/Double IPA
78 Stone 7th Anniversary Ale 3.84 232 American Strong Ale
79 Stone Old Guardian (Vintages 2004 and later) 3.84 349 Barley Wine
80 Oggis IP-271 3.83 9 Imperial/Double IPA
81 Bear Republic Old Scoutters Barleywine 3.83 12 Barley Wine
82 Alpine Beer Company Good 3.83 16 Barley Wine
83 Craftsman Triple White Sage 3.83 21 Spice/Herb/Vegetable
84 Drakes 15th Anniversary Bourbon Barrel Lager 3.83 21 European Strong Lager
85 Russian River Redemption 3.83 48 Belgian Ale
86 Bear Republic Racer X Strong Ale 3.83 84 Imperial/Double IPA
87 Moylans Ryan OSullivans Imperial Stout 3.83 161 Imperial Stout
88 Drakes Papa Denogginizer 3.82 10 Barley Wine
89 Pizza Port Red Square Imperial Stout 3.82 32 Imperial Stout
90 Drakes IPA 3.82 95 India Pale Ale (IPA)
91 Lost Coast Indica India Pale Ale 3.82 375 India Pale Ale (IPA)
92 Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale 3.82 1010 India Pale Ale (IPA)
93 Pizza Port Shark Attack Triple Red Ale 3.81 37 American Strong Ale
94 Bear Republic Red Rocket Ale 3.81 307 American Strong Ale
95 Schooners Barley Wine 3.8 7 Barley Wine
96 Stone Whiskey Barrel Double Bastard 3.8 8 American Strong Ale
97 Ballast Point Dorado Double IPA 3.8 41 Imperial/Double IPA
98 Stone 05.05.05 Vertical Epic Ale 3.8 221 Belgian Strong Ale
99 Green Flash West Coast I.P.A. 3.78 102 India Pale Ale (IPA)
100 Sawyers Triple 3.78 103 Abbey Tripel

It mght be a beauty contest, but at 2 am none of the contestants are all that ugly.

[Atomic Punk]

I may talk a lot of shit about a lot of shit...

I call bullshit.

[Mister Bushice]

Tardowen,

I recommend you test taste Bangstill Ale, out of Plumberstock Brewery, New York.

That way we all win.

[Atomic Punk]

Tard,

You are a shit troll and thanks for playing. BTW, I rack myself for coining the term "shit troll" for all to use over the years.

You have no credibility and anything your shit troll ass spews is worthless, much like the tard behind the keyboard.

[Atomic Punk]

Wow, a true tard that clings to ass hairs hoping to get a blast of smack in loses once again.

How is your funeral arraingements going tard/shit troll?

[Goober McTuber]

Ithe Midwest will get their rightful share of Gold Ribbons

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!



Oh, and did I mention...



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


You hayseeds are pretty fucking funny sometimes.

And maybe the reason why the event is held in Washington, is because Beervana to the South already is pretty much full up with beer events.

If you're not familiar with Beervava, the Wikipedia might be your friend. Then again, if you're unfamiliar withh Beervana, you should probably just shut up.

I may talk a lot of shit about a lot of shit, but puhleez...the U&L has forgotten more about craft brewing than the Hayseeds will ever know.

Fucking hicks. Don't change a thing -- you give the culturally different East and West Coasts a common bond -- we both get to laugh at you folks.

You just got so-o-o-o-o trolled.

[Nishlord]

If it's a World tournament for beer, what the fuck is it doing in America? That's like Pakistan hosting the Super Bowl.

[Goober McTuber]

Look at this. Top 10 beers brewed in the US of A.

BEST BEERS BREWED IN USA

Name Brewer Ratings Score
1 Three Floyds Dark Lord Russian Imperial Stout Three Floyds Brewing Company 339 100

2 Three Floyds Dreadnaught Imperial IPA Three Floyds Brewing Company 524 99.9

3 Kuhnhenn Raspberry Eisbock Kuhnhenn Brewing 186 99.9

4 AleSmith YuleSmith India Pale Ale AleSmith Brewing Company 386 99.9

5 AleSmith Speedway Stout AleSmith Brewing Company 469 99.9

6 Great Lakes Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout Great Lakes Brewing Company 50 99.9

7 Bells Expedition Stout Bells Brewery, Inc. 652 99.9

8 Stone Imperial Russian Stout Stone Brewing Co. 650 99.9

9 Dogfish Head World Wide Stout 2001/2003-Present (18%) Dogfish Head Brewery 638 99.9

10 Oggis Hop Whompus Left Coast/Oggi’s Pizza and Brewing Company 57 99.8

Five from the Midwest. None from Oregon.

[Dinsdale]

Dins,

Perhaps you need to drink more. The U & L aren't more highly rated than other parts of the US.

Really?

Beer
Portland and certain other Oregon cities (such as Hood River and Bend) are well-known for their beer. It is often said that Portland is the home of the microbrew revolution. Some illustrate Portlanders' interest in the beverage by an offer made in 1888, when local brewer Henry Weinhard volunteered to pump beer from his brewery into the newly dedicated Skidmore Fountain. However, the renown for quality beer dates to the 1980s, when state law was changed to allow consumption of beer on brewery premises. In short order, microbreweries and brewpubs began to pop up all over the city. Their growth was supported by the abundance of local ingredients, including two-row barley, over a dozen varieties of hops, and the pure water from Bull Run and other drainage basins of nearby Mount Hood.

Today, with 33 breweries within the city limits, Portland is home to more breweries than any other city in the world. The McMenamin brothers alone have over thirty brewpubs, distilleries and wineries scattered throughout the metropolitan area, many in renovated theaters and other old buildings otherwise destined for demolition. Other notable Portland brewers include Widmer Brothers, Bridgeport Brewing Company and the MacTarnahan's Brewing Company. In 1999, author Michael "Beerhunter" Jackson called Portland a candidate for the beer capital of the world because the city boasted more breweries than Cologne, Germany. A popular nickname for the city in beer appreciation circles is "Beervana."

Portland hosts a number of festivals throughout the year in celebration of beer, including the Oregon Brewers Festival. Held each July, it is the largest gathering of independent craft brewers in North America.

What were you saying again?

Saying it silently might be a good idea.

Btw-some of their figures are wrong. There's over 70 breweries in the city, dozens more in the surronding burbs.

the beer is good, mostly 'cause the water is good

Water, eh?

Whatever you say there, brewmeister.

While Portland and its Bull Run system do indeed offer the best quality water in the country (do they still sell it in bottles, straight out of our taps, plus fancy labels, in New York City? That was funny stuff), do you think it has anything to do with the superior infrastructure and brweing knowledge, and the ability for brewers to pick and choose individual strains of hops, since the Willamette Valley is also the Hops Capital of America (tell me you knew that just about all American hops...like the kinds they put in Bud as well, along with Bavarian hops)?

Let's face it -- the U&L invented what could be referred to as "modern American craft brewing." We invented modern indoor marijuana farming. We boast the highest concentration of psilocybin mushrooms on the planet...seeing a trend here? All the various regions of this Great Nation of ours are good at something(thanks for the wheat, Midwest. It's not like it's a weed everywhere else...but it looks good on you). When you wanna clip a buzz -- look Up and Left. To dispute this would be folly.

Far too many barleywines on those lists. That shit just isn't that good.
Mindless trend followers.

"Ooooo. This is really strong. That means it must be good"

The Apocslypse is upon us. Me and mvscal agree on something regarding beer.

Although the Hair Of Dog entries listed are bith very strong, and pretty tasty. Pretty expensive, as far as beer goes, too. Bottle conditioned, and had that fine sludge layer on the bottom of the bottle that you expect from a fine bottle-aged brew. I think the lowest ABV of any of their products is about 10%. But through good brewing, they manage to mostly avoid that barlywine nasty. Funny thing about Hair Of Dog, is that(up until r4ecently) all of their brews are given proper names, like Fred, Dave, and Adam. To read that list, you'd think that either Hair Of Dog was a mojor player in the U&L market (it's not), or whoever made that list works for HOD.

Interesting list (which I don't feel is terribly accurate to begin with), in that even in Portland, I need to go to a specialty store (sup, the best one around being close by, and another right up the street) to get many, if not most of those.

The demise of Deschutes(not Portland, but Bend) has been a serious bummer. They spent probably ten years as THE best brewery in the country, but alas...the lust for dollars was toom strong, and they better-than-doubled production, and took the subsequent hit in quality...but don't tell them that on beeradvocate....or do tell them that. They're resonse will probably be "you must know that Dinsdale guy," and then your SN and IP will never work there agin. What a joke that site is.

But I see on that list that they rated JubelAle higher than the Desvhutes Cinder Cone Red....WROOOOOONG! But seeing how the criteria works there, I guess Jubel, with the higher ABV associated with a winter seasonal, gets the nod. As mvscal pointed out, that list appears to be more based on ABV rather than...I dunno....taste? Although Hair Of Dog offers both.

And thinking about it...I can't think of a worse "hair of dog" morning brew to take the edge off the hangover. Screwdriver, coffee and Bailey's/Kahlua, piss beer....but the Kings Of Sludge? If I'm drinking my breakfast, I want it to be 100% liquid, and if I want cereal, I'll pour a bowl from the box, not from a bottle.

^^^Knowing the best forms of alcohol to drink in the morning makes me a bad person...right?

And pretty much when I saw a "best beers" list that included anything from Widmer(sup Anheiser Busch trying to crush the competition, and doing their best to reduce the quality of craft beers across the board...sellout pieces of faggot shit...and I do mean "faggot"), and Rogue (sup, "we're capable of making a couple of good brews, but instead we choose to make 50 shitty ones instead) gets my scroll wheel spinning as if Diogenes had posted the list.

[Mister Bushice]

6 out of 10 are stouts?

I cannot drink that stuff. Don't see its appeal.

[Goober McTuber]

Dins,

I only posted this thread to get a little rise out of you regarding U & L beer. I’m sure it’s good. But your Wikipedia reprint says things like “well-known for their beer”, and “the home of the microbrew revolution”, and “home to more breweries than any other city in the world”. Nowhere does it say “best fucking beer in the world”. Just sayin’.

[Mister Bushice]

Dins,

Perhaps you need to drink more. The U & L aren't more highly rated than other parts of the US.

Really?

Beer
Portland and certain other Oregon cities (such as Hood River and Bend) are well-known for their beer. It is often said that Portland is the home of the microbrew revolution. Some illustrate Portlanders' interest in the beverage by an offer made in 1888, when local brewer Henry Weinhard volunteered to pump beer from his brewery into the newly dedicated Skidmore Fountain. However, the renown for quality beer dates to the 1980s, when state law was changed to allow consumption of beer on brewery premises. In short order, microbreweries and brewpubs began to pop up all over the city. Their growth was supported by the abundance of local ingredients, including two-row barley, over a dozen varieties of hops, and the pure water from Bull Run and other drainage basins of nearby Mount Hood.

Today, with 33 breweries within the city limits, Portland is home to more breweries than any other city in the world. The McMenamin brothers alone have over thirty brewpubs, distilleries and wineries scattered throughout the metropolitan area, many in renovated theaters and other old buildings otherwise destined for demolition. Other notable Portland brewers include Widmer Brothers, Bridgeport Brewing Company and the MacTarnahan's Brewing Company. In 1999, author Michael "Beerhunter" Jackson called Portland a candidate for the beer capital of the world because the city boasted more breweries than Cologne, Germany. A popular nickname for the city in beer appreciation circles is "Beervana."

Portland hosts a number of festivals throughout the year in celebration of beer, including the Oregon Brewers Festival. Held each July, it is the largest gathering of independent craft brewers in North America.

What were you saying again?

This:

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and another key phrase:
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Btw-some of their figures are wrong. There's over 70 breweries in the city, dozens more in the surronding burbs.

Wikipedia articles written by drunk Portlanders can be misleading. :)

Water, eh?

Whatever you say there, brewmeister.

While Portland and its Bull Run system do indeed offer the best quality water in the country (do they still sell it in bottles, straight out of our taps, plus fancy labels, in New York City? That was funny stuff), do you think it has anything to do with the superior infrastructure and brweing knowledge, and the ability for brewers to pick and choose individual strains of hops,

Not at all. Just a comment about high quality water. Don't read so much into it. I'm fully aware that the brewing process, the brewers, and the hops are essential.

Let's face it -- the U&L invented what could be referred to as "modern American craft brewing." We invented modern indoor marijuana farming. We boast the highest concentration of psilocybin mushrooms on the planet...seeing a trend here?

Yes. You're all drunks and drug users. ;)

Interesting list (which I don't feel is terribly accurate to begin with), in that even in Portland, I need to go to a specialty store (sup, the best one around being close by, and another right up the street) to get many, if not most of those.

But I see on that list that they rated JubelAle higher than the Desvhutes Cinder Cone Red....WROOOOOONG! But seeing how the criteria works there, I guess Jubel, with the higher ABV associated with a winter seasonal, gets the nod. As mvscal pointed out, that list appears to be more based on ABV rather than...I dunno....taste? Although Hair Of Dog offers both.

It's a voted on list by users, not a bible for sure. At least I believe that anyone could vote for any beer.

[Dinsdale]

You're all drunks and drug users

You say that like it's a bad thing, or something.

Then again, that same "MYOB, Live and let live" attitude also creates the atmospere for serious meth and heroin problems. And this town does a remarkable job of hiding its severe heroin problem(your thoughts, Luth?), but the meth problem has come to a head, kinda. When gaurd rails and bridge parts start disappearing from their intended homes and showing up at scrap yards, things are getting a little out of control. Hell, some tweekers offed themselves not too long ago trying to remove live power lines to scap out the copper. BODE freakin Darwin, for sure.

And it's become nearly impossible to get ephedrine or pseudoefedrine in this state. But thank to our Commander-In-Chief being bought off, the illegals keep the West Coast quite well supplied...there is that. But remember -- they're not criminals. Protesters out front yesterday told me. For some reason, we saw fit to declare war on half of Central America for supplying drugs across our borders, yet the current administration actually encourages it...ponderous.

[Mister Bushice]

[quote]And it's become nearly impossible to get ephedrine or pseudoefedrine in this state. [/quoe]

Yep. Near where we live, about 5 miles or so is a rather active meth lab area. Not sure if it has been done yet by law, but I know that some of the local pharmacies have put that stuff behind the counter.

[Dinsdale]

Started out as a "behind the counter, sign for it" thing, now I believe (could be mistaken, too lazy to look it up, since I never use OTC meds anyway) it's just plain outlawed.

Our spectator/governor trying to look like he's actually done something. Damn, we've elected some serious idiots here over the last few terms. But, this state tends to vote strongly for dems for gov(much more balanced in the Legislature, although the dems took majority for the first time in a long time). Catch is, the Oregon Republican Party just plain refuses to send out anyone but complete psychopaths to run against them. I mean, they're rolling out some serious nutcases. One guy ran under this kinda unwritten policy that he was basically going to call for the execution of all homosexuals if elected, the guy they're running this time around makes Delay look like he's got campaign integrity...just freaking nuts. So are the dems. So are the independents.

Fuck.

[PSUFAN]

Here's some background on why you can't get ephedrine or pseudoephedrine over the counter:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/view/

[Dinsdale]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/view/

Didn't realize Frontline was such a bunch of hack journalists(although I was well aware of the level of hackitude of the Oregonian).

The second DEA approach was to regulate the source of the ingredients. Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are highly sophisticated chemicals that can only be produced in a handful of huge, legal laboratories worldwide

Is this where I insert the :WORLDSBIGGESTROLLEYES:

smiley?


Jeebus...it's the juice from a plant root. The Chinese have been crudely exracting it for thousands of years. The specific fractions of mua huang were isolated by some Japaneses guy in the 19th Century....I'm sure with the help of a "sophisticated, huge lab."

Way to check you facts, Frontline...yeah, you guys are credible on this subject.

I wonder how long it will be before half the countryside is planted with mua huang?

[RadioFan]

One guy ran under this kinda unwritten policy that he was basically going to call for the execution of all homosexuals if elected, the guy they're running this time around makes Delay look like he's got campaign integrity...just freaking nuts. So are the dems. So are the independents.

I laughed.

Sincerely,

Oklahoma.

Your nutcases are our elected officials, in this har completely Red state. Yessiree. Proud of 'em, too, they are.

Since this thread started out as a Beer thread ... I'll take the Free State Brewing Co. (in Lawrence) and Boulevard Brewing (in KCMO) as the hayseed underdog in the West Coast competition.

I've had a few regional brews in my scat time in SoCal, the two times I was there ('98? and '04). Some were OK, others tasted like a would-be 88 drinking spittoon the next morning.

Back to meth ... Oklahoma was the first state to ban the sale of over-the-counter pseudoephedrine, and make you sign in to get some cold medicine.

Shocker.