Vince Young = John Elway + Steve Young

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:47 am

Well at lease that is what Mike Silver from SI thinks

Two good eyes

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:23 pm

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:45 pm

Heh. Yeah, NOW maybe. Not back when Elway and Young were young and capable. Sounds to me like there's THREE good eyes. The two on the scout, and VY's brown eye that this columnist is puckered up to.

the_ouskull

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:38 pm

Doesnt have the arm that Elway had or the brains that Young had.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:46 pm

I'm willing to give the kid a chance before I drop an evaluation on him. We have seen great college QBs fail in the NFL literally HUNDREDS of times, so it might be wise to wait and see.

I wish him the best of luck.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:50 pm

Cicero wrote:Doesnt have the arm that Elway had or the brains that Corky from Life Goes On had.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:20 pm

Raise your hand if you're tired of the whole Vince Young thing.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:17 pm

PSUFAN wrote:I'm willing to give the kid a chance before I drop an evaluation on him. We have seen great college QBs fail in the NFL literally HUNDREDS of times, so it might be wise to wait and see.

I wish him the best of luck.

I agree with that. I just hate blatant and biased homerism from the likes of Vito. VY hasn't played a game yet and he's being compared to two of the best QB's of all-time. Gimme a fucking break.

His career will fall somewhere between that of Dan Marino and Ryan Leaf. We'll see which one he falls closest to in due time.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:44 pm

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:11 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:
Cicero wrote:Doesnt have the arm that Elway had or the brains that Corky from Life Goes On had.

Hey SoCalCondom, If you send me your mailing address I will personally send you a copy of the 2k6 Rose Bowl.

I don't call it homerism, I call it sticking by my opinion, I have had the chance to watch Vince for 4 years.

Vince is from Texas so spooner fan and aggsy fan will never give him his props no matter how good he is. I expect that, trix is, well trix, so his bitterness has reached epic proportions. My opinion is Vince has proven he can throw the ball, you don't lead the NCAA in passing efficiency without being able to throw. Vince is the best leader I have ever seen in a College QB. I can't think of anyone that compares. And Vince is the most clutch player I have ever seen, I doubt anyone will contend this.

Still I took statistics in college and I understand that the odds are not in his favor. But look at all the can't miss guys that did miss especially at QB, and then look at the guys that didn't miss. I think Vince has more in common with the hits than the misses.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:44 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:
Cicero wrote:Doesnt have the arm that Elway had or the brains that Corky from Life Goes On had.
I don't call it homerism, I call it sticking by my opinion, I have had the chance to watch Vince for 4 years.
.

really? 4 years.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:53 am

King Crimson wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:
I don't call it homerism, I call it sticking by my opinion, I have had the chance to watch Vince for 4 years.
.
really? 4 years.

You might say 5 years since I did get to see him in 2 high school games, FSN showed a Hou Madison game on TV and I also watched the Army All American game where Vince looked like a Man among boys.

I also watched a few practices his redshirt year as well as the Spring game.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:53 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:
Cicero wrote:Doesnt have the arm that Elway had or the brains that Corky from Life Goes On had.
Hey SoCalCondom, If you send me your mailing address I will personally send you a copy of the 2k6 Rose Bowl.

I don't call it homerism, I call it sticking by my opinion, I have had the chance to watch Vince for 4 years.

Vince is from Texas so spooner fan and aggsy fan will never give him his props no matter how good he is. I expect that, trix is, well trix, so his bitterness has reached epic proportions. My opinion is Vince has proven he can throw the ball, you don't lead the NCAA in passing efficiency without being able to throw.

Funny Sooner fan made this same argument for Jason White and you dispelled it. Double standard much dumbass?

Vince is the best leader I have ever seen in a College QB. I can't think of anyone that compares.

I knew you could only be around the age of five Vito. Tee Martin, Josh Heupel, Tommy Frazier, Jimmy Harris, ect.

And Vince is the most clutch player I have ever seen, I doubt anyone will contend this.

Yep all the best men in the clutch are the only Texass quarterbacks to be shut out in over 3 decades. They also reguraly do this in the biggest game of the regular season against their rivals.

I heard Mack took pictures of the fifty yard line after the game that day to prove to Vince that it existed.

Still I took statistics in college and I understand that the odds are not in his favor. But look at all the can't miss guys that did miss especially at QB, and then look at the guys that didn't miss. I think Vince has more in common with the hits than the misses.

That would be because you are a moron Vito. No other explanation.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:41 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:
Cicero wrote:Doesnt have the arm that Elway had or the brains that Corky from Life Goes On had.
Hey SoCalCondom, If you send me your mailing address I will personally send you a copy of the 2k6 Rose Bowl.

I don't call it homerism, I call it sticking by my opinion, I have had the chance to watch Vince for 4 years.

Vince is from Texas so spooner fan and aggsy fan will never give him his props no matter how good he is. I expect that, trix is, well trix, so his bitterness has reached epic proportions. My opinion is Vince has proven he can throw the ball, you don't lead the NCAA in passing efficiency without being able to throw. Vince is the best leader I have ever seen in a College QB. I can't think of anyone that compares. And Vince is the most clutch player I have ever seen, I doubt anyone will contend this.

Still I took statistics in college and I understand that the odds are not in his favor. But look at all the can't miss guys that did miss especially at QB, and then look at the guys that didn't miss. I think Vince has more in common with the hits than the misses.

Yo Vito.....VY DID NOT lead the nation in passing eff. I looked it up. Whoever told you so is a fucking homer like you........

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp ... f&site=org

Looks THIRD to me..........

Also, the offense that he ran was EFFICIENT not necessarily him.

Happy easter

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:19 pm

Look... It wasn't that the offense was efficient either. It was that it was dummied down so that Baby Touchdown Wonderlic could run it. He may have ranked 3rd in QB Rating, but also he ranked 53rd in number of passing attempts with 325. ...and 81st in number of carries with 155.

That's 81st out of ALL players... Not QB's.

In other words, Vince Young had 480 plays to himself last year, and he ran on 33% of them. One out of every three times this alleged Quarterback drops back, he winds up tucking and running.

Now, normally when someone is averaging 6.8 ypc, you'd say, "fuck it, let him run, that's 8th in the country."

...but, when you look a little closer, or, more specifically, a little higher up on the leaderboard, you'll see that Tejas' tailback, Jamaal Charles, was 4th in the nation with 7.4 ypc. So, basically, Tejas' offensive line, plus the fact that he ran the ball so freaking much, had a LOT to do with Vince's passer efficiency. A lot more to do with it, in fact, than his arm did.

Vince was a good college QB/RB on a great team, but he will NOT be a good pro QB. Period.

the_ouskull

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:28 pm

the_ouskull wrote:

Vince was a good college QB/RB on a great team, but he will NOT be a good pro QB. Period.

the_ouskull

Even as a Texas fan I must agree on that.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:47 am

the_ouskull wrote:Look... It wasn't that the offense was efficient either. It was that it was dummied down so that Baby Touchdown Wonderlic could run it. He may have ranked 3rd in QB Rating, but also he ranked 53rd in number of passing attempts with 325. ...and 81st in number of carries with 155.

That's 81st out of ALL players... Not QB's.

In other words, Vince Young had 480 plays to himself last year, and he ran on 33% of them. One out of every three times this alleged Quarterback drops back, he winds up tucking and running.

Now, normally when someone is averaging 6.8 ypc, you'd say, "fuck it, let him run, that's 8th in the country."

...but, when you look a little closer, or, more specifically, a little higher up on the leaderboard, you'll see that Tejas' tailback, Jamaal Charles, was 4th in the nation with 7.4 ypc. So, basically, Tejas' offensive line, plus the fact that he ran the ball so freaking much, had a LOT to do with Vince's passer efficiency. A lot more to do with it, in fact, than his arm did.

Vince was a good college QB/RB on a great team, but he will NOT be a good pro QB. Period.

the_ouskull

yea that proves he will not be a great QB, he ran the ball 33% of the time he played. Guess what the top running play Texas ran was the zone read. The only thing you proved is that he is a duel threat QB. Wow your a genius.

he still had to complete those 355 passing plays and he did at a 63% clip. BTW you also forgot one really important bit of info, in about 10 of the 13 games he played in he attempted an average of less than 5 passes in the 2nd half. Hell I doubt he threw the ball 10 times in the 2nd half against the spooners. It's hard to make a lot of pass attempts when you are up by 30 pts on average by half time. Mack Brown ain't like Bob Stoops, he won't run it up just to pad their stats.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:01 am

Brady Quinn = Peyton Manning + Joe Montana and a dash of Dan Marino.

Why? Because I've watched him for 3 years and that's what I say, in my completely unbiased point of view. Forget that 2 years ago he threw 10 TD's and 17 INT's and last year ('04) he was slightly over 50% as a passer. This year he was 65% and set almost every major passing record at ND.

What? You don't agree? Obviously you all have agenda's and are Brady hayta's. He had a (singular) great year! He is going to revolutionalize the game the way Wayne Gretzky did. He is the most clutch QB in the history of football, including Canadian, Arena, WLAF, XFL, NFL Europe, USFL, NFL, NCAA, NAIA, HS, and Pop Warner.

And I will find random links to support the view I've had since watching him in in his second tri-mester in the womb, and I will continue to disregard the other links that say different because anyone who says other wise is obviously an idiot.

Sin,

Michael Killianeone

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:24 am

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:28 am

Vito Corleone wrote:Mack Brown ain't like Bob Stoops, he won't run it up just to pad their stats.

-- 3rd 05:26 UT - Pittman, Billy 27 yd pass from Young, Vince. (This put you up 31-6, by the way...)

That was the scoring pass. In addition, Vince threw the ball three times in the 4th alone against OU. He passed it 10 times in the second half against OU, which accounted for over 37% of his passes for the game. A game in which OU was never within 25 in the second half. So spare me that whole, "Mack didn't let Vince pad his stats" crap. I'll give you the fact, and it is a fact, that Vince didn't play as late in games as some QB's do... Mack IS good about that. However, like you said, Tejas was blowing people out this year. However, regarding the OU game, Vince was still in that game, passing, in the 4th. Yeah. Do I need to look up other games...? Here's a few more incidents...

-- 4th 14:06 UT - Sweed, Limas 13 yd pass from Young, Vince. (To take a 42-10 lead in the 4th. Sure it's safe?)

-- In the Baylor game, Vince threw three passes in the drive that put you up 41-0 in the 3rd. Still passing, I see?

-- Against Kansas, he threw 5 passes in the drive that put UT up 59-7 in the 3rd. A game Tejas was leading 52-0 at the half. Padding stats can happen in the 1st half of games too, A_B.

-- I think it also merits mentioning that Young's backup only threw a total of 11 passes all season. You can talk about "the zone read" all you want, but that's just a fancy way of saying what I've already said... Vince did the old "tuck and run" a LOT more than any other "efficient" QB ever has. That shit won't fly in the pros, where LB's are bigger, and faster, and can, and will bring Vince down. Not at all like college where those with the speed didn't have the size and those with the size lacked the speed.

Vince Young will NOT be a good pro QB. Frankly, I don't think that he's smart enough to run an NFL offense, and he's certainly not the second coming of Mike Vick like so many Tejas fans are trying to say he is. He's not as fast, as elusive, and he doesn't have Vick's arm. Also, spare me the "leadership" crap. Getting Mack Brown to listen to 50 Cent doesn't make someone a leader. It makes a coach desperate, changing his offense to support this "zone read" crap because Vince couldn't grasp the real offense. It worked though... well... but, as with many things about Vince, it won't fly in the pros. Sorry. This isn't about how well he did in college. In college, I'll go so far as to say that, last year, he had one of the best seasons a college QB has EVER had, in the history of college football. It hurts me to say it, but it's the absolute truth.

...and having said that, I'm discussing his PRO prospects, not his college glory days. Vince Young will NOT be a good pro QB. If you think otherwise, just say so and we'll let time tell who was right.

the_ouskull

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:33 am

Yea, SI is some random link? BTW statistically speaking, random is a good thing.

I don't think I said in this thread that I compared Vince to anyone. I posted what the article said so if you want to compare brady quin to anyone fine but it has nothing to do with me.

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:41 pm

the_ouskull wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:Mack Brown ain't like Bob Stoops, he won't run it up just to pad their stats.
-- 3rd 05:26 UT - Pittman, Billy 27 yd pass from Young, Vince. (This put you up 31-6, by the way...)

That was the scoring pass. In addition, Vince threw the ball three times in the 4th alone against OU. He passed it 10 times in the second half against OU, which accounted for over 37% of his passes for the game. A game in which OU was never within 25 in the second half. So spare me that whole, "Mack didn't let Vince pad his stats" crap. I'll give you the fact, and it is a fact, that Vince didn't play as late in games as some QB's do... Mack IS good about that. However, like you said, Tejas was blowing people out this year. However, regarding the OU game, Vince was still in that game, passing, in the 4th. Yeah. Do I need to look up other games...? Here's a few more incidents...

-- 4th 14:06 UT - Sweed, Limas 13 yd pass from Young, Vince. (To take a 42-10 lead in the 4th. Sure it's safe?)

-- In the Baylor game, Vince threw three passes in the drive that put you up 41-0 in the 3rd. Still passing, I see?

-- Against Kansas, he threw 5 passes in the drive that put UT up 59-7 in the 3rd. A game Tejas was leading 52-0 at the half. Padding stats can happen in the 1st half of games too, A_B.

-- I think it also merits mentioning that Young's backup only threw a total of 11 passes all season. You can talk about "the zone read" all you want, but that's just a fancy way of saying what I've already said... Vince did the old "tuck and run" a LOT more than any other "efficient" QB ever has. That shit won't fly in the pros, where LB's are bigger, and faster, and can, and will bring Vince down. Not at all like college where those with the speed didn't have the size and those with the size lacked the speed.

Vince Young will NOT be a good pro QB. Frankly, I don't think that he's smart enough to run an NFL offense, and he's certainly not the second coming of Mike Vick like so many Tejas fans are trying to say he is. He's not as fast, as elusive, and he doesn't have Vick's arm. Also, spare me the "leadership" crap. Getting Mack Brown to listen to 50 Cent doesn't make someone a leader. It makes a coach desperate, changing his offense to support this "zone read" crap because Vince couldn't grasp the real offense. It worked though... well... but, as with many things about Vince, it won't fly in the pros. Sorry. This isn't about how well he did in college. In college, I'll go so far as to say that, last year, he had one of the best seasons a college QB has EVER had, in the history of college football. It hurts me to say it, but it's the absolute truth.

...and having said that, I'm discussing his PRO prospects, not his college glory days. Vince Young will NOT be a good pro QB. If you think otherwise, just say so and we'll let time tell who was right.

the_ouskull

I think what Vito was saying was Stoops likes to run it up on people. That is a Spurrier mentality. He always runs up the score when he gets the chance.

Here are some examples:
Second Quarter
OU 02:46 Mark Clayton 28 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 42-0 Why pass when you are up 35-0??
OU 00:31 Travis Wilson 12 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 49-0 Again...why? You are up 42

Fourth Quarter
OU 04:20 Travis Wilson 9 yd pass from Tommy Grady (Trey DiCarlo kick) 56-7 Still throwing up 42 in the 4th quarter????

Third Quarter
OU 08:20 Jejuan Rankins 15 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 44-13 OU has this game in hand and Bubba is still chunking the skin
Fourth Quarter
OU 14:53 Mark Clayton 38 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 58-13 Up 38 in the 4th and JW is still in the game

Third Quarter
OU 08:50 Brandon Jones 66 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 45-9 Up 31 in the 3rd and still throwing
Fourth Quarter
OU 05:42 Mark Bradley 14 yd pass from Paul Thompson (Trey DiCarlo kick) 52-9 Spare me the 3rd QB needed reps crap

Fourth Quarter
OU 12:18 Mark Clayton 12 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 39-0 Up 32 and still throwing

Fourth Quarter
OU 10:33 Trent Smith 4 yd pass from Nate Hybl (Trey DiCarlo kick) 53-7 WTF??
OU 03:13 Brandon Jones 7 yd pass from Paul Thompson (Trey DiCarlo kick) 60-15 Totally running it up

These are games that have happened over the last 3 years. Stoops loves to run it up on people so spare me the Mack was throwing a TD against OU in the 3rd quarter and they were up 24-6 at the time crap.

I think this is just sour grapes on your behalf. You love to run your yap when OU is playing well and has scoreboard. When you lose your advantage you start pulling all the shit that you rag on others about out of your ass.

Will Vince be a good QB? I don't get paid to make that determination. It is funny that NFL scouts are drooling at the prospect of having a QB that can be both accurate and mobile. I remember when Steve McNair came out and people thought that Oilers were nuts for taking him because he was from a small school and not "smart enough" to run a pro offense. All he did was win an MVP and lead the Oilers...errrr Titans to the Super Bowl. That smart enough comment sure was a redneck moment. You should hit yourself with a phone book.

Funny how Pete Carroll who was an Super Bowl winning defensive coordinator, could not come up with a plan to stop a QB that wasn't as fast as Michael Vick, doesn't have an arm as good as Vick, and isn't smart enough to run an offense other than the basic zone read. Funny how Stoops the genius couldn't fare any better too. A good coach uses his players strengths to mold the team. Vince had tremendous skills running and passing. The Zone Read was perfect for him. WIll he run it in the pros?? No. He won't. Time will tell but when every general manager is salivating about his ability. Houston is even think about drafting a defensive player because the Titans will probably draft him and they don't want to face him twice a year.

Obviously if we went by how well people did in College then Bubba White would be playing on Sundays. What is he doing right now??? Any clue. Heupel??

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:44 pm

Yo vittles.....WHO TOLD YOU HE WAS FIRST IN PASSING EFF?????

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:48 pm

T REX wrote:Yo vittles.....WHO TOLD YOU HE WAS FIRST IN PASSING EFF?????

He was before the bowls started. Since he only complete 75% of his passes for 267 yards and no TD's against the greatest team ever assembled, his rating dropped.

Rudy Carpenter was rated below him and had a nice bowl game against Rutgers. He was 23-35 467 and 4 TD's.

Brian Brohm did not play in his bowl game. Vince's rating for the regular season was 167.3 That was higher than Carpenter who was 165.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:58 pm

Harvdog wrote:
the_ouskull wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:Mack Brown ain't like Bob Stoops, he won't run it up just to pad their stats.
-- 3rd 05:26 UT - Pittman, Billy 27 yd pass from Young, Vince. (This put you up 31-6, by the way...)

That was the scoring pass. In addition, Vince threw the ball three times in the 4th alone against OU. He passed it 10 times in the second half against OU, which accounted for over 37% of his passes for the game. A game in which OU was never within 25 in the second half. So spare me that whole, "Mack didn't let Vince pad his stats" crap. I'll give you the fact, and it is a fact, that Vince didn't play as late in games as some QB's do... Mack IS good about that. However, like you said, Tejas was blowing people out this year. However, regarding the OU game, Vince was still in that game, passing, in the 4th. Yeah. Do I need to look up other games...? Here's a few more incidents...

-- 4th 14:06 UT - Sweed, Limas 13 yd pass from Young, Vince. (To take a 42-10 lead in the 4th. Sure it's safe?)

-- In the Baylor game, Vince threw three passes in the drive that put you up 41-0 in the 3rd. Still passing, I see?

-- Against Kansas, he threw 5 passes in the drive that put UT up 59-7 in the 3rd. A game Tejas was leading 52-0 at the half. Padding stats can happen in the 1st half of games too, A_B.

-- I think it also merits mentioning that Young's backup only threw a total of 11 passes all season. You can talk about "the zone read" all you want, but that's just a fancy way of saying what I've already said... Vince did the old "tuck and run" a LOT more than any other "efficient" QB ever has. That shit won't fly in the pros, where LB's are bigger, and faster, and can, and will bring Vince down. Not at all like college where those with the speed didn't have the size and those with the size lacked the speed.

Vince Young will NOT be a good pro QB. Frankly, I don't think that he's smart enough to run an NFL offense, and he's certainly not the second coming of Mike Vick like so many Tejas fans are trying to say he is. He's not as fast, as elusive, and he doesn't have Vick's arm. Also, spare me the "leadership" crap. Getting Mack Brown to listen to 50 Cent doesn't make someone a leader. It makes a coach desperate, changing his offense to support this "zone read" crap because Vince couldn't grasp the real offense. It worked though... well... but, as with many things about Vince, it won't fly in the pros. Sorry. This isn't about how well he did in college. In college, I'll go so far as to say that, last year, he had one of the best seasons a college QB has EVER had, in the history of college football. It hurts me to say it, but it's the absolute truth.

...and having said that, I'm discussing his PRO prospects, not his college glory days. Vince Young will NOT be a good pro QB. If you think otherwise, just say so and we'll let time tell who was right.

the_ouskull
I think what Vito was saying was Stoops likes to run it up on people. That is a Spurrier mentality. He always runs up the score when he gets the chance.

Here are some examples:
Second Quarter
OU 02:46 Mark Clayton 28 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 42-0 Why pass when you are up 35-0??
OU 00:31 Travis Wilson 12 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 49-0 Again...why? You are up 42

Fourth Quarter
OU 04:20 Travis Wilson 9 yd pass from Tommy Grady (Trey DiCarlo kick) 56-7 Still throwing up 42 in the 4th quarter????

Third Quarter
OU 08:20 Jejuan Rankins 15 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 44-13 OU has this game in hand and Bubba is still chunking the skin
Fourth Quarter
OU 14:53 Mark Clayton 38 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 58-13 Up 38 in the 4th and JW is still in the game

Third Quarter
OU 08:50 Brandon Jones 66 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 45-9 Up 31 in the 3rd and still throwing
Fourth Quarter
OU 05:42 Mark Bradley 14 yd pass from Paul Thompson (Trey DiCarlo kick) 52-9 Spare me the 3rd QB needed reps crap

Fourth Quarter
OU 12:18 Mark Clayton 12 yd pass from Jason White (Trey DiCarlo kick) 39-0 Up 32 and still throwing

Fourth Quarter
OU 10:33 Trent Smith 4 yd pass from Nate Hybl (Trey DiCarlo kick) 53-7 WTF??
OU 03:13 Brandon Jones 7 yd pass from Paul Thompson (Trey DiCarlo kick) 60-15 Totally running it up

These are games that have happened over the last 3 years. Stoops loves to run it up on people so spare me the Mack was throwing a TD against OU in the 3rd quarter and they were up 24-6 at the time crap.

I think this is just sour grapes on your behalf. You love to run your yap when OU is playing well and has scoreboard. When you lose your advantage you start pulling all the shit that you rag on others about out of your ass.

Will Vince be a good QB? I don't get paid to make that determination. It is funny that NFL scouts are drooling at the prospect of having a QB that can be both accurate and mobile. I remember when Steve McNair came out and people thought that Oilers were nuts for taking him because he was from a small school and not "smart enough" to run a pro offense. All he did was win an MVP and lead the Oilers...errrr Titans to the Super Bowl. That smart enough comment sure was a redneck moment. You should hit yourself with a phone book. Funny how Pete Carroll who was an Super Bowl winning defensive coordinator, could not come up with a plan to stop a QB that wasn't as fast as Michael Vick, doesn't have an arm as good as Vick, and isn't smart enough to run an offense other than the basic zone read. Funny how Stoops the genius couldn't fare any better too. A good coach uses his players strengths to mold the team. Vince had tremendous skills running and passing. The Zone Read was perfect for him. WIll he run it in the pros?? No. He won't. Time will tell but when every general manager is salivating about his ability. Houston is even think about drafting a defensive player because the Titans will probably draft him and they don't want to face him twice a year.

Obviously if we went by how well people did in College then Bubba White would be playing on Sundays. What is he doing right now??? Any clue. Heupel??

You're complaining that our third string Quarterback being in the game during the third or fourth quarter, three of the last six years?

And claiming it is Bob who likes to run up the score?

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:11 pm

Skull likes to talk shit when the Sooners are winning. Then reverts to this holier than thou guy. Please. I think it is up to the offensive coach to come up with a game plan and it is up the other team to stop it. He bitched about us throwing against OU when we were up 24-6. The nhe brought up games where Vince threw the ball in the 3rd QUarter! I was just pointing out how OU does the same thing and worse sometimes.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:25 pm

Harvdog wrote:Skull likes to talk shit when the Sooners are winning. Then reverts to this holier than thou guy. Please. I think it is up to the offensive coach to come up with a game plan and it is up the other team to stop it. He bitched about us throwing against OU when we were up 24-6. The nhe brought up games where Vince threw the ball in the 3rd QUarter! I was just pointing out how OU does the same thing and worse sometimes.

We put in a guy who will be bagging groceries at the end of his career to play for two quarters and get upset because your defense can't even stop a bunch of bench warmers? Bob doesn't leave the starter in to pad their stats. That is what skull was bitching about. Do you know what Jason White's stats would have looked like in 2004 if Bob had done what you seem to be trying to accuse him of? Playstation stats. If Bob did what you ar trying to accuse him of we would have had 100 points on the board by the end of the third quarter against both texass and Texass A&M in 2004. Harv you should be thankful that Bob didn'[t try to run up the score in the past because there are a number of games, including two against texass, where we would have scored tripple digits.

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:28 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote:
Harvdog wrote:Skull likes to talk shit when the Sooners are winning. Then reverts to this holier than thou guy. Please. I think it is up to the offensive coach to come up with a game plan and it is up the other team to stop it. He bitched about us throwing against OU when we were up 24-6. The nhe brought up games where Vince threw the ball in the 3rd QUarter! I was just pointing out how OU does the same thing and worse sometimes.
We put in a guy who will be bagging groceries at the end of his career to play for two quarters and get upset because your defense can'r even stop a bunch of bench warmers? Bob doesn'r leave the starter in to pad their stats. That is what skull was bitching about. Do you know what Jason White's stats would have looked like in 2004 if Bob had done what you seem to be trying to accuse him of? Playstation stats. If Bob did what you ar trying to accuse him of we would have had 100 points on the board by the end of the third quarter against both texass and Texass A&M in 2004. Harv you should be thankful that Bob didn'[t try to run up the score in the past because there are a number of games, including two against texass, where we would have scored tripple digits.

You totally missed the point. Skull was complaining that Mack left Vince in to Pad stats. I doubyt it since he was gone early in the 3rd of many games. Yet, when I looked at OU, there was JW still throiwing laste in games where OU had a commanding lead. Pot Kettle much?

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:41 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:Yea, SI is some random link? BTW statistically speaking, random is a good thing.

I don't think I said in this thread that I compared Vince to anyone. I posted what the article said so if you want to compare brady quin to anyone fine but it has nothing to do with me.

A link to Peter King at SI isn't a random link. A link to this douche pump who thinks FJ is Steve Young and quotes another anonymous source comparing him to Elway. That's random.

Yet you discount others who think FJ will struggle and provide links to reports/scouts/credible writers who think along the same lines.

And you said he was the most clutch QB in college that you've ever seen, and the best leader as a QB. That's comparing him to everyone. And, you are also the one saying that he could have the same impact on the NFL/QB position that Jordan did on the NBA/2 guard position.

You're still letting burnt orange cloud your judgement.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:04 pm

Harvdog wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
Harvdog wrote:Skull likes to talk shit when the Sooners are winning. Then reverts to this holier than thou guy. Please. I think it is up to the offensive coach to come up with a game plan and it is up the other team to stop it. He bitched about us throwing against OU when we were up 24-6. The nhe brought up games where Vince threw the ball in the 3rd QUarter! I was just pointing out how OU does the same thing and worse sometimes.
We put in a guy who will be bagging groceries at the end of his career to play for two quarters and get upset because your defense can'r even stop a bunch of bench warmers? Bob doesn'r leave the starter in to pad their stats. That is what skull was bitching about. Do you know what Jason White's stats would have looked like in 2004 if Bob had done what you seem to be trying to accuse him of? Playstation stats. If Bob did what you ar trying to accuse him of we would have had 100 points on the board by the end of the third quarter against both texass and Texass A&M in 2004. Harv you should be thankful that Bob didn'[t try to run up the score in the past because there are a number of games, including two against texass, where we would have scored tripple digits.
You totally missed the point. Skull was complaining that Mack left Vince in to Pad stats. I doubyt it since he was gone early in the 3rd of many games. Yet, when I looked at OU, there was JW still throiwing laste in games where OU had a commanding lead. Pot Kettle much?

Which one?

Bob has a system that he has always ran at OU if we are up 5 TDs in the first half, 4 TDs in the 3rd quarter, or 24 points up in the fourth the starter comes out of the game. He has done this his entire time at OU. Show me a game where this did not occur. Bob has continued to run his offense when the back up and even third string is in the game but that has always been when the Quarterback was a senior.

It's not Bob's fault that Paul Thompson came into the game and scored three more TDs against aTm or two more against Texass. He even yanked Paul and put Tommy Grady in. Jesus, did you want Coach Stoops to walk up to the student's section and start taking students out of the stands to toss in there and get a few yards?

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:04 pm

Stoops learning how to run the score up????

Hmmmm........

"It's our job to score and their job to stop us!"

-Steve Spurrier answer to a question on why he threw late in the fourth quarter up by a large margin.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:44 pm

I love Spurrier

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:30 pm

Killian wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:Yea, SI is some random link? BTW statistically speaking, random is a good thing.

I don't think I said in this thread that I compared Vince to anyone. I posted what the article said so if you want to compare brady quin to anyone fine but it has nothing to do with me.
A link to Peter King at SI isn't a random link. A link to this douche pump who thinks FJ is Steve Young and quotes another anonymous source comparing him to Elway. That's random.

Yet you discount others who think FJ will struggle and provide links to reports/scouts/credible writers who think along the same lines.

And you said he was the most clutch QB in college that you've ever seen, and the best leader as a QB. That's comparing him to everyone. And, you are also the one saying that he could have the same impact on the NFL/QB position that Jordan did on the NBA/2 guard position.

You're still letting burnt orange cloud your judgement.

Think of it as calling my shot, so to speak. And yes I have not seen another QB that is more clutch than Vince.

Vince brought Texas back in the 4th against USC on the biggest stage against a team that was supposed to be the best ever.

He did the same thing the year before against Michigan.
He did the same thing against tOSU at night in their house
He did the same thing against Kansas by converting on 4th and 18.
He did finished his career with only 2 losses

Now I do realize none of this makes a difference in the NFL but what does is the fact that he is 6'5 235 runs a 4.5 40 without even without preparing for it. He has a cannon for an arm with great touch and makes great decisions with the ball.

Will he struggle in the NFL? At first he will, all QBs do, Steve Young sat behind Montana forever. Elway, Bradshaw, Aikman and most other great QBs have struggled at first.

Other great college qbs never made it, but when you look at the guys who were high draft picks that didn't make it, most had problems that didn't have anything to do with talent but rather whats between their ears. Vince doesn't have that problem, despite what the wonderlic says.

Judging him on the wonderlic is akin to judging a straight A student on a bad SAT score.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:18 pm

^^^ Ctrl+F+J Macro ^^^

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:12 am

Uh... I never said that Mack left Vince, or anybodyh else, in to pad stats. In fact, I said quite the opposite. Nor did I say that Bob DIDN'T. I feel like Coach Stoops leaves his starters in too long... but I'm not the football mind he is, either. BUT, Mack's not the saint you make him out to be, and Bob isn't the sinner...

the_ouskull

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:16 am

Harvdog wrote:
T REX wrote:Yo vittles.....WHO TOLD YOU HE WAS FIRST IN PASSING EFF?????
He was before the bowls started. Since he only complete 75% of his passes for 267 yards and no TD's against the greatest team ever assembled, his rating dropped.

Funny... I saw those stats from that game, and it showed that he scored 3 touchdowns. I don't get it, how can somebody is trying to call themselves a QB score 3 touchdowns, and not having any passing touchdowns? How does that work, exactly?

[Note: Previous sentence is made MUCH funnier if you read it to yourself in Stewie Griffin's condescending voice.]

the_ouskull

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:38 pm

Vito Corleone wrote: Now I do realize none of this makes a difference in the NFL but what does is the fact that he is 6'5 235 runs a 4.5 40 without even without preparing for it. He has a cannon for an arm with great touch and makes great decisions with the ball.

Other great college qbs never made it, but when you look at the guys who were high draft picks that didn't make it, most had problems that didn't have anything to do with talent but rather whats between their ears. Vince doesn't have that problem, despite what the wonderlic says.

Judging him on the wonderlic is akin to judging a straight A student on a bad SAT score.

Vince has had exactly one year where he made great decisions. The year before last, he threw as many picks as scores. Right now, FJ has had one good statistical year in college. One.

And outside of the OSU game, how did he come back in all the games you mentioned?

Ran to pick up the 4th and 18.
Rushing TD's against UofM.
Rushing TD's against USC.

The thing is, people are bringing up criticisms of FJ, yet you dismiss them right away because you are so convinced that he is bound for greatness. You don't for a second realistically think there is a chance FJ can fail.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:38 pm

this has probably been one of the most over the top defenses of a player I have ever seen (meaning vito's defense of FJ)...

now Vito seems like a stand up guy and so does FJ...but holy cow it appears as though no one can have an opinion on FJ other than he will part the red sea, bring back the ickey shuffle, and lead whoever takes him to the super bowl...

i mean people could sit here and tell AJ Hawk is going to suck that is fine...no need to start quoting height, weight, underwear preference...etc...just let football nature takes it course...

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:46 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:i mean people could sit here and tell AJ Hawk is going to suck that is fine...no need to start quoting height, weight, underwear preference...etc...just let football nature takes it course...

I don't know how AJ will do in the NFL, but I can say that him and his wife will have some of the fucking scariest looking kids. Ever.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:56 pm

^^^^ RACK...