80's MTV nostalgia

[Dinsdale]

"Beat It" was a steaming pile of crap

RACKRACKRACK!

That album is the most unlistenable pile of crap to ever sell big. That shit makes my fucking ears bleed, and my stomach empty its contents.

Odd, because I thought Off The Wall was pretty deece.


And as far as Billy Jean being "rock" -- if it's "rock," you don't need to bring in a big name rock ringer to play a horrid psuedo-rock solo to try and convince program directors that a guy who goes by the nickname "The King of Pop" is actually playing "rock."

[Dinsdale]

End of fucking conspiracy.

That's what we thought, anyway...

But no -- 25 fucking years later, it turns out that MTV was actually a subsidiary of the KKK...who knew?

[Invictus]

Uhm....newsflash....Thriller wasn't fucking released in 1981. It was released in 1982...about the same time that the "fledgling cable channel" was sorting out its identity crisis, and made the decision to play more in the way of pop/R&B/dance music.

Newsflash, muckstirrer -- they also didn't play Madonna and David Bowie until that time.

Maybe it's not so muuch a matter of "racism," but more a prejudice against shitty fucking music (sup Thriller).

Although it's rare to find any subject that certain people won't make "all about the racial." Just ask IB...and I find it sad that Vic has resorted to IB tactics to rewrite the history books on this one.

So, before you fucking clown yourself any worse, would you care to name for me the prominant "black" new wave/ alternative bands from the era of 1981 and earlier?

C'mon Vic...put me in my place...end this right now and send me packing...just go ahead and remind me of these black new wave/alternative/industrial bands that the world was rife with before 1982?

Go ahead, fire away.

Or not...and maybe realize that you've just been flat fucking LIED to, my friend. Whether some retarded Google link says so or not, MTV was VERY much an alternative/new wave station in their infancy. And since by my count, there were approximately ZERO black alternative bands kicking around in 1981 (save for a black guy or two in the Specials)...

sorry, dude. You've bought into some SERIOUS bullshit. I hate to shatter your illusions, but it's the TRUTH.

And on the very day that MTV's format broadened, which is attributable to more pop/dance/R&B/hard rock artists making videos(and not some Jesse Jackson bullshit), rather than some massive racial conspiracy? That doesn't even make sense....if it was to be a strictly white station for strictly white people, then why the hell would they hire an Uncle Tom to host the show? That would defy any and all logic, would it not?

You're flailing hard here, Vic.

Fascinating, so now I am buying into some Jesse Jackson, I.B. type conspiracy eh? Everything that I KNOW to be true about the station from my own research is in fact inaccurate because 1.) I am too young to remember (which is bullshit by the way. Dinsdale you arent THAT much older than me and I doubt that you were as wise and understanding in what, your early teens as you believe you are now.) 2.) Dinsdale says I am wrong and so it must be. So many sources tell me something yet they are all wrong and are so to make people believe that there was a KKK type conspiracy going on at the network. Now you have chosen to speak of the early years at MTV as only 1981. At that point, they weren't even in that many households. 1982 would most certainly be considered part of the beginnings of the station and in 1982, the station did not want to play "Beat It" for very iffy reasons. It doesn't really matter if that song was the worst on the album (which is probably was) MTV didn't want to play under the guise that they played only certain kinds of music. That is not me trying to stir the muck or make something out of nothing but it is fact. And, while a pioneering VJ, JJ it seems sees things a little different than many others do. You do as well. Fine. You and I watched the same network yet your age makes you an authority on the network. That is some serious bullshit. If anything you are like IB, given a multitude of links from a variety of media, even from the MTV site itself, you continue to stick your head in the sand and tell me the sky is green when faced with irrefutable proof that it is not.

Your initial beef with me was that I said that MTV fought putting MJ on the air during the height of his solo career. You said I was wrong and I provided proof that it was. But, you then tell me that the source has a liberal bias to it. There is no need for me to craft a Jesse Jackson conspiracy here, all I did is show you what I knew many years ago. And, JJ said the station was initially about rock and roll. He didn't say anything about "new wave/alternative/industrial bands," JJ himself said rock and roll.

[Dinsdale]

So many sources tell me something yet they are all wrong

Take another look at this thread. Every single person here who is old enough to remember the "early days" has disagreed with you. Those people are "telling you something" too, yet you've turned a blind eye.

And I notice you still haven't buckied up your exact age...telling.

Now you have chosen to speak of the early years at MTV as only 1981. At that point, they weren't even in that many households. 1982 would most certainly be considered part of the beginnings of the station and in 1982, the station did not want to play "Beat It" for very iffy reasons.

Ohhhkay...let's just stop with the fucking LYING, okay?

"in 1982, the station did not want to play "Beat It" for very iffy reasons."

Ok, Spinmeister...would one of those "iffy" fucking reasons be that Thriller was released in FUCKING DECEMBER OF 1982?

And it must have been a HUGE fucking deal at the time...since Beat It was premiered on...you'll never fucking guess which station...in March of 1983?

So, according to YOU (and some mystery revisionist historians on the internet), MTV REFUSED to play Beat It...according to FACT, MTV was airing it very shortly after its production....and they had already aired Billie Jean at that point. I believe they PREMIERED Beat It, matter of fact...which blows your entire freaking argument out of the water.

Sorry, Vic -- you're just spewing flat-out LIES.

Oh, and BTW -- some of us are old enough and well-informed enough to know that the video for Billie Jean came out before Beat It...just so's you can keep your revisionist history straight.



And I couldn't care any less if JJ Jackson though the Specials, Madness, Tenpole Tudor, Ultravox, and Classix Neuveaux were "rock and roll" bands. That's who MTV was playing in late 81/early 82. And FACT says that in those days, MTV had all of about 10 videos in its entire rotation...because that's about how many videos were out there of the genres they played. Definitely not a format one would expect to see Michael Jackson and Rick James making a heavy rotation in...kind of like my local metal station at the time didn't play them, either...must have been part of this racist conspiracy, too.


Damn, much more of this, and you'll have to change your nic to Purvis-Quadreveonictus.