What Makes This Less Important Than Haditha?

[Moving Sale]

Rumor, innuendo and Islamist propaganda is not "evidence".

A Racist fucko asking that someone be extended Due Process? I Laughed!

[The Seer]

Rumor, innuendo and Islamist propaganda is not "evidence".

A Racist fucko asking that someone be extended Due Process? I Laughed!

[Neely8]

BSmack can you explain that 70% number you quoted earlier?

[LTS TRN 2]

After all, if they knew a Terrorist was in their vicinity, their proper and obvious course of action was to alert Occupation Forces at once, right?

Sure beats winding up in bag alongside said terrorist.

Just obey your Occupation Forces and everything's fine.

--Hermann Goering

[The Seer]

After all, if they knew a Terrorist was in their vicinity, their proper and obvious course of action was to alert Occupation Forces at once, right?

Sure beats winding up in bag alongside said terrorist.

Just obey your Occupation Forces and everything's fine.

--Hermann Goering

Just for comedic value, you are suggesting that the USA is fascist, and the Islamo(fascists) are innocent victims?......

[Wolfman]

is that a direct/real
quote of Goering ??

(I think you made it up-typical)

[Dinsdale]

is that a direct/real
quote of Goering ??

I doubt it.

But this one's on the for-real:

"NATURALLY THE COMMON PEOPLE DONT WANT WAR, BUT AFTER ALL IT IS THE LEADERS OF A COUNTRY THAT DETERMINE THE POLICY. ITS ALWAYS A SIMPLE MATTER TO DRAG PEOPLE ALONG WHETHER ITS A DEMOCRACY, A FACIST DICTATORSHIP, A PARLAMENT OR A COMMUNIST REGIME.
VOICE OR NO VOICE THE PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS BE BROUGHT TO DO THE BIDDING OF THEIR LEADERS.

THIS IS EASY. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING THREATENED WITH AN ATTACK ,THEN DENOUNCE THE PACIFIST FOR LACK OF PATRIOTISM AND EXPOSING THE COUNTRY TO DANGER. THIS WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

[BSmack]

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Has there ever been a fucking bsmack thread that didnt end up with him getting his puckered apple jack lanced wide open by mvscal multiple times?

You sure do know a lot about getting fucked in the ass. Something you want to share with the group?

[BSmack]

BSmack can you explain that 70% number you quoted earlier?

70% is the percentage of people in this country who now think Bush's Presidency has been a royal cluster fuck. To be fair, since the that low it has edged up a little bit. He may even be up to a 35% approval rating.

[ADAM]

Cause the media is trying to destroy the GOP and turn the country into a bunch of pussies.

I actually have to rack this.......

[RadioFan]

Cause the media is trying to destroy the GOP and turn the country into a bunch of pussies.

I actually have to rack this.......

Of course you do. You're a making-shit-up-badly tard who obviously wasn't able to "score" a hooker tonight.

[War Wagon]

BSmack can you explain that 70% number you quoted earlier?

70% is the percentage of people in this country who now think Bush's Presidency has been a royal cluster fuck. To be fair, since the that low it has edged up a little bit. He may even be up to a 35% approval rating.

But didn't you try using that number more in the context of that 70% believe the Marines are guilty of committing these particular atrocities at Haditha..and then weakly and uselessly somehow tried to tie that into Bush approval rating?

Sure you did.

Your attempts at spin grow more amusing and pathetic each time you trot them out. Don't quit your day job, James Carville is not calling with an offer anytime soon.

[ADAM]

Cause the media is trying to destroy the GOP and turn the country into a bunch of pussies.

I actually have to rack this.......

Of course you do. You're a making-shit-up-badly tard who obviously wasn't able to "score" a hooker tonight.

Swinnnnnnnng & a miss............

I pay for hookers not "score" them you simpleton.......

[Dinsdale]

Cause the media is trying to destroy the GOP and turn the country into a bunch of pussies.

I actually have to rack this.......

Anybody who thinks the media is biased towards anything but a juicey story, regardless of party-of-origin, is a complete fucking moron who should probably shoot himself.

Just because a talk show host used the term "liberal media," it doesn't make it true.

I know...I know...that's hard to believe, but seriously...


Why don't we ask Clinton and Gore what sort of job the "liberal media" (can't stop laughing when I type that) did of "destroying the GOP."

Dumbasses.

[ADAM]

I beg to differ Dinsy......

You and I both know that discerning a "hogg session" & "A night to remember" are all based upon political mumbo jumbo...........

Libs will fuck anything
Cons will fuck anything but you........

[RadioFan]

I pay for hookers .......

Though irrelevant in the long run, always good for a laugh.

No ... more importantly, is you "having" to rack Cicero for this:

Cause the media is trying to destroy the GOP and turn the country into a bunch of pussies.

Awesome to begin with, but even more outstanding that someone would chime in with "I actually have to rack this."

You and Sissy must hate newspapers. All those complicated words getting in the way of the pretty pictures and stuff.

[War Wagon]

I actually have to rack this.......

Of course you do. You're a making-shit-up-badly tard who obviously wasn't able to "score" a hooker tonight.

Swinnnnnnnng & a miss............

I pay for hookers not "score" them you simpleton.......

umm, No. When you paid for that last dime bag of ditchweed, it would routinely be referred to as a "score".

At least in my neck of the woods, when you buy something, whether it be ducats to a game or whatever...it's called a "score", because you got something you wanted.

Dumbass.

But that's beside the point RF should have made...that of racking Ciceroblows patently vapid post.

[ADAM]

Of course you do. You're a making-shit-up-badly tard who obviously wasn't able to "score" a hooker tonight.

Swinnnnnnnng & a miss............

I pay for hookers not "score" them you simpleton.......

umm, No. When you paid for that last dime bag of ditchweed, it would routinely be referred to as a "score".

At least in my neck of the woods, when you buy something, whether it be ducats to a game or whatever...it's called a "score", because you got something you wanted.

Dumbass.

But that's beside the point RF should have made...that of racking Ciceroblows patently vapid post.

I can roll with that............

[RadioFan]

I can roll with that............

So fork over $100 to Wags. You just received a good fuck.

[Neely8]

Whether it was "deliberate" or not, it happened and it happened at the hands of US Marines.

Did it? Or did it happen at the hands of the diaperheads who were using these people as sandbags? Or were they just caught in the crossfire?

But feel free to explain how a platoon of Marines going house to house and killing women and children with small arms fire and grenades could be construed as somehow being "accidental".

Says who?

Keep spinning. The other 70% of this country already knows the truth.

Bsmack---I asked you if you were referring to the presidential approval ratings in this post or if there was a poll that said 70% of the country believed the Marines did it? Not spin in anyway. I haven't seen a poll that says that. I believe you answered me though.....

70% is the percentage of people in this country who now think Bush's Presidency has been a royal cluster fuck. To be fair, since the that low it has edged up a little bit. He may even be up to a 35% approval rating.

[War Wagon]

Hey, Kneely...this has already been handled.

The thread for being an insipid puss and getting throated is not here.

[The Seer]

If the media of today covered past wars, we could have lost #1 or #2...

[RadioFan]

If the media of today covered past wars, we could have lost #1 or #2...

I'm assuming by "media," you're actually trying to refer to the "news" media -- you know, the thing that involves magazines, newspapers, radio, TV, books, periodicals and the Internet. I mean, I wouldn't want to have to call yet another moron out, again, for being an absolute dumbfuck about the definition of "media" or anything.


But, be that as it may, as to your Sissyroo-like post ...



Idiocy.


It's amazing how the "media" of today has its roots in the media of "#1 and #2," isn't it? But I digress ...



88, I won't talk about TV ... because as far as I'm concerned, this "massacre" is along the lines of that chick in Aruba who was killed, or the latest "BIG" story on TV -- the "Bikini Strangler," as I think it's being titled now, on Fox and CNN, in, you know, the MEDIA? Personally, I think it has something to do with a Clemson Unversity student who was killed, or something. I couldn't care less, especially watching Nancy Grace or Greta vanCunstrain "interview" people and express their "outrage" for the next six months or so.

Producer: This chick is hot and she's dead, we're going to go with this, every night, unless we're bumped off the air by news.

You're right: Dead is dead, unless it's a semi-decent looking woman that TV producers are interested in.

And even so, eventually ... Here today, gone tomorrow.

Producer: God damn it, I don't care about that triple homicide! Find me a family who is grieving for their 18-year-old daughter, but only find it for me when you can find her in a bikini! But no pics that we have to blurr her. This is FAMILY news. I don't want pictures of this babe in a Girls Gone Wild video, it won't hold up her image, nor ours! Now get to work, we've got a newscast to do!

At any rate, 88, do yourself a favor and try not to be so in tune with TV on this shit. Or talk radio, when they're not talking about gay marriage or flag-waving or building fences. It's all a load.

You're right, this happened in Nov., and it was first reported in March. Get riled up about it when it's on the front page of your local newspaper, from here on out.

And 88, Iraqis murdered by insurgents is the norm over there. It's been going on since "Major combat operations are over," according to our president.

We're supposed to be winning hearts and minds over there, right?

We're supposed to be doing what's right -- i.e. stopping those who are doing the killing, not killing ... allegedly.

John Murtha, a decorated Vietnam vet, has been labled a "traitor" over his bringing this to light, 88. There are at least three investigations going on.

That's why it's a story ... albeit not a "huge" one, at least in my view, for now.

I can't really blame TV though. Especially when the ratings seem to dictate that the public is much more concerned with that Cheerleader -- you know, the super-cute one who might have been found dead, who lived in a posh home, with her perfect parents, who wouldn't, under any circumstances whatsoever, go out alone ... but THEN, suddenly, relatives say, she's disappeared!

Now that's national news.

Stay tuned! More about Haditha, as we explore what might have happened, with an expert on what it takes to commit MURDER!

We'll be right back, with all the details! Plus, we'll show you never-before-seen-photos! You won't want to miss it!

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

"GAY MARRIAGE! GAY MARRIAGE! GAY MARRIAGE!"

Sincerely, K. Rove.

[BSmack]

I'm not suggesting that the press become lap dogs for the current administration...

Like they haven't already? Ask Helen Thomas what happens when a reporter dares ask a hardball question of the President.

[PSUFAN]

I've seen a lot of posts lately from you and others (e.g., PSUFAN, BSmack etc.) that cast anyone who supports a position opposed to their own as a mindless lemming who is programmed by talk radio hosts. That is a laughable notion, and makes you look stupid. I can't think of an instance when I've ever supported a position on the basis that "some talk radio personality or politico said it so it must be true." My opinions are based solely on my review of the news and my observations regarding it.

Actually, I've never once read one of your political takes and thought they were anything but honest, well-reasoned, and formulated by you yourself.

I do drop the "you're quoting Rush or Hannity" line on folks when they are guilty of that. I have yet to ever do that to you, because you haven't warranted it.

I did it in this thread after reading the following:

the lefties worry more about
thev due process of a money grubbing
congressman from Louisiana than our
troops under fire in harm's way !

*no link needed either*

I recognize this kind of ignorance as shock-jock stirred. The poster has been so polarized by New Media rhetoric that he actually believes that there's a "left" that cares more about protecting a corrupt politician than they care about the lives of troops in Iraq. That's extremely unfortunate.

I'm going to add another thought...once you get to categorizing what some "other folks" think about supporting troops...well, you're on thin ice. It's a cheap shot to proclaim that your political adversaries care less about the lives of troops than you do. It's nothing but political gamesmanship, stuff that you hear radio and tv personages do all of the time.

Surely the poster above is not really laboring under the notion that "lefties" don't care about the lives of troops. Like you said: That is a laughable notion, and makes you look stupid.

Now as for my take on the Haditha massacre...let's see what comes as a result of an investigation. If there were soldiers that are guilty of wrongdoing, then they should be punished. The good work of the majority of our troops in Iraq cannot be cheapened by the actions of a few.

Perhaps that's a side to it that you might not have considered...there are thousands of great Americans in Iraq and elsewhere that are doing a tremendous job. If there are a few that are doing wrong, then they need to be dealt with, so that they don't fuck up the efforts of those who are representing our interests with honor. Scrutiny, and investigation, is actually in the interests of the honorable troops.

When the Abu Ghraib scandal hit, I can tell you without reservation that one of the main things that bothered me was the following: that whoever was involved was endangering and misrepresenting the good works of our troops there, and actually placing our forces at greater risk. My blood boiled not simply at seeing US servicepeople acting in that way, but equally because I knew that most of our folks would never act in that way.

Scratch a "lefty", or a Hannity disciple, and you'll find an individual underneath. Sometimes that individual is simply lazy, and they accept packaged rhetoric. Sometimes, though...that individual has learned to reason critically, and refused to be spoken for and under the grasp of labels.

[Tom In VA]

I recognize this kind of ignorance as shock-jock stirred. The poster has been so polarized by New Media rhetoric that he actually believes that there's a "left" that cares more about protecting a corrupt politician than they care about the lives of troops in Iraq. That's extremely unfortunate.

I'm going to add another thought...once you get to categorizing what some "other folks" think about supporting troops...well, you're on thin ice. It's a cheap shot to proclaim that your political adversaries care less about the lives of troops than you do. It's nothing but political gamesmanship, stuff that you hear radio and tv personages do all of the time.

Surely the poster above is not really laboring under the notion that "lefties" don't care about the lives of troops. Like you said: That is a laughable notion, and makes you look stupid.

Now as for my take on the Haditha massacre...let's see what comes as a result of an investigation. If there were soldiers that are guilty of wrongdoing, then they should be punished. The good work of the majority of our troops in Iraq cannot be cheapened by the actions of a few.

Perhaps that's a side to it that you might not have considered...there are thousands of great Americans in Iraq and elsewhere that are doing a tremendous job. If there are a few that are doing wrong, then they need to be dealt with, so that they don't fuck up the efforts of those who are representing our interests with honor. Scrutiny, and investigation, is actually in the interests of the honorable troops.

When the Abu Ghraib scandal hit, I can tell you without reservation that one of the main things that bothered me was the following: that whoever was involved was endangering and misrepresenting the good works of our troops there, and actually placing our forces at greater risk. My blood boiled not simply at seeing US servicepeople acting in that way, but equally because I knew that most of our folks would never act in that way.

Scratch a "lefty", or a Hannity disciple, and you'll find an individual underneath. Sometimes that individual is simply lazy, and they accept packaged rhetoric. Sometimes, though...that individual has learned to reason critically, and refused to be spoken for and under the grasp of labels.

There's absolutely nothing UN-Rackable in that post.

Nice take.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

But it should be reported as what it is, a rogue action in contravention of US policy. And it should be reported as an unfortunate aberration in otherwise stellar performance by the rest of the forces. And the reporting should note that the US military is taking its own to task. The Haditha incident should not be painted as an extension of US policy.

I think what everyone has failed to realize is that, beyond the obvious criminal nature of the event, the real scandal has been the attempted cover up by the military.

[Tom In VA]

But it should be reported as what it is, a rogue action in contravention of US policy. And it should be reported as an unfortunate aberration in otherwise stellar performance by the rest of the forces. And the reporting should note that the US military is taking its own to task. The Haditha incident should not be painted as an extension of US policy.

I think what everyone has failed to realize is that, beyond the obvious criminal nature of the event, the real scandal has been the attempted cover up by the military.

The alleged cover-up hasn't been by "the military", it's been by specific chains of command. Not the Marines, the Department of the Navy or the Department of Defense.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The alleged cover-up hasn't been by "the military", it's been by specific chains of command. Not the Marines, the Department of the Navy or the Department of Defense.

Oh, so the cover up was done by some mystery branch of the government, whose knowledge of I could be told, but then I'd have to be killed.

I'm sure the buck will be passed down until the culprit is discovered to be some lowely
lance corporal sorting socks in a hangar in Kentucky.

Yeah! Get that guy! It's all his fault!

[Tom In VA]

The alleged cover-up hasn't been by "the military", it's been by specific chains of command. Not the Marines, the Department of the Navy or the Department of Defense.

Oh, so the cover up was done by some mystery branch of the government, .....

No.

[LTS TRN 2]

is that a direct/real
quote of Goering ??

I doubt it.

But this one's on the for-real:

"NATURALLY THE COMMON PEOPLE DONT WANT WAR, BUT AFTER ALL IT IS THE LEADERS OF A COUNTRY THAT DETERMINE THE POLICY. ITS ALWAYS A SIMPLE MATTER TO DRAG PEOPLE ALONG WHETHER ITS A DEMOCRACY, A FACIST DICTATORSHIP, A PARLAMENT OR A COMMUNIST REGIME.
VOICE OR NO VOICE THE PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS BE BROUGHT TO DO THE BIDDING OF THEIR LEADERS.

THIS IS EASY. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING THREATENED WITH AN ATTACK ,THEN DENOUNCE THE PACIFIST FOR LACK OF PATRIOTISM AND EXPOSING THE COUNTRY TO DANGER. THIS WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

Indeed, this is the exact famous quote of which I was reminded.

Seer, YES, the current administration is every bit the fascist entity it more and more resembles each day. And initiating insane, unprovoked--and disasterous--wars is standard for the course. Similarly, the aggressive erosion of civil liberties, callous disregard for national and international laws, detaining and torturing people without ANY charges or legal recourse offered--all of these are typical of fascist entities. And of course, the most telling aspect of a true fascist cabal is a blithering disregard for any future repercussions of its actions beyond a week by week bunker mentality, usually distinguished by warnings of NEW THREATS.

Yes, by cleverly utilizing the moronic Christer constituency in America, the fascist entity that occasionally surfaces under the name of Project For The American Century has gained power. Got it?

The Media in this country must bear a great deal of responsibility for this capitulation as it basically has curled into a fetal position and shrank from its duty--to hold those in power accountable with hard questions and investigations.

[Diogenes]

Rumor, innuendo and Islamist propaganda is not "evidence".

A Racist fucko asking that someone be extended Due Process? I Laughed!

A criminal defense lawyer deriding due process?

Only if the accused is engaged in protecting his right to get actual criminals off...

[Diogenes]

Murtha, Traitorous Left Exploit Haditha
by Michael Reagan
Posted Jun 01, 2006


If you pay close attention to the media firestorm over the incident in Haditha, you’ll discover constant references to the war in Vietnam in general and My Lai in particular.

That’s no accident. The crazed American left in and out of the media is trying to accomplish in Iraq what they accomplished in Vietnam—a shameful American defeat wrested from the jaws of victory.

Make no mistake about it, these traitorous anti-war zealots are salivating over the possibility that they can exploit whatever happened in Haditha last November just as they exploited the My Lai massacre and thousands of G.I. deaths in Vietnam.

Without any real knowledge of the Nov. 19 deaths of 24 civilians and the role if any played in the killings by United States Marines, the despicable Democrat Rep. John Murtha is charging that members of the Marine Corps killed those civilians in cold blood.

The media is whooping and hollering over Murtha’s accusations, showcasing him on radio and TV broadcasts and egging him on, something scarcely needed since he’s been all too anxious to clutter up the air waves with his egomaniacal blatherings.

This is all a matter of déjà vu to those of us who remember what happened in Vietnam, and how the same media now ranting and raving about Haditha helped drive us from Vietnam—where we were winning—an outcome that cost the lives of over a million Vietnamese and Cambodians.

Central to the attempt to drive us out of Vietnam were the phony atrocity stories peddled by the likes of Jane Fonda and John Kerry and the story of My Lai where somewhere between 300 and 500 Vietnamese villagers were butchered by an out-of-control U.S. Army unit—a real atrocity that bolstered Kerry’s phony accounts of American misbehavior in battle.

In Vietnam, the left learned their lesson well and they are now applying it to Iraq, where they hope to obtain similar results—the mightiest nation on the face of the earth cutting and running from a conflict against a ragtag foe we are slowly and painfully winning.

The worst aspect of this treasonous activity is the motive behind much of the anti-war hysteria—an insane hatred of George W. Bush and the overwhelming lust of the Democrats to regain control of Capitol Hill no matter what it costs the United States of America in blood and treasure.

Don’t make any mistake about it—that exactly what is driving John Murtha—this war’s John Kerry—and his conscienceless colleagues. They didn’t give a doodly damn that their part in causing the U.S. to bug out of Vietnam caused more than 58,000 of our fellow Americans to have died in vain. And today they couldn’t care less if the grieving survivors—moms, dads, wives and children—of the soldiers and Marines who laid down their lives in Iraq have to face the possibility that their loved ones’ deaths were meaningless.

What these modern-day Benedict Arnolds are attempting to do is the recreate the shameful spectacle of battle-scarred veterans coming home from Vietnam to be cursed and spat at and called baby killers by the very people they risked their lives to serve.

Their crocodile tears over the killings in Haditha—which may or may not have been justified by the exigencies of combat—masks their delight that they may now have a new My Lai. Never mind that My Lai costs hundreds of deaths while in Haditha just 24 people died in what may have been the heat of battle. With the enthusiastic cooperation of the media the two incidents are compared to sap the morale of the American people to the point where they will accept a shameful defeat and leave the people of Iraq to the same kind of tender mercies shown to the betrayed people of Vietnam and Cambodia.

I want to tell the veterans of Vietnam that this is what they did to you and this is what John Murtha and the rest of the traitorous left are now trying to do to the brave men and women in Iraq. They want to turn their image into that of baby killers. You should be the ones marching in the streets against the left and John Murtha and his slimy friends. You must not allow what happened to you happen to the men and women in Iraq.


And for the record, Murtha is and has been a worthless sack of shit ever since he helped Bill Clinton inspire OBL after the battle of Mogidishu.

And no, I don't give a fuck how it's spelled.

[Diogenes]

15 minutes later- Murtha is still a worthless POS.

The Truth About Haditha
by Michelle Malkin
Posted May 31, 2006


Democrat Rep. John "Cut and Run" Murtha thinks he knows the truth about Haditha -- and he has been blabbing it to every last cable show host that will host him. The loose-lipped former Marine has accused troops of wantonly killing some two dozen civilians, including children, "in cold blood" in the terrorist stronghold in Iraq last November. There are two ongoing military investigations into the incident itself and the actions of higher-ups in the Haditha aftermath.

Let me repeat that: The investigations are ongoing. Not complete. Official reports aren't expected for several weeks.

I do not know the truth about Haditha. Neither do Murtha and the media outlets calling the alleged massacre a massacre before all the facts are in. It would be helpful if they could handle these grave charges without serving as al Jazeera satellite offices. GOP Sen. John Warner, who like Murtha also served in the Marines, struck the right tone over the weekend -- refusing, unlike Murtha, to render a verdict against the Marines before trial and avoiding Bush Derangement Syndrome, but also taking the allegations very seriously.

I do know this. Children are dead. Other children have been orphaned. There are pictures of bullet holes and bloodied homes. There are evolving stories about what happened last Nov. 19 and serious allegations of a possible cover-up.

I also know this: Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, the Marine who was killed by a roadside IED (improvised explosive device) that day, followed a proud family tradition of military service. He had received a commendation for bravery on his first tour of duty in Iraq in 2004. One of his fellow Marines said Terrazas's body was split in two by the bomb explosion that rocked his Hummer while on patrol that morning.

And there's this: Haditha is crawling with terrorists. The Associated Press points out that "in just three days last August, six Marine snipers were killed in Haditha and 14 Marines died in nearby Parwana in the deadliest roadside bombing of the war." Most-wanted al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is reported to have lived in Haditha. The Washington Post quoted a military lawyer noting that Nov. 19 was the Marine 3rd Battalion's "hottest day" in Iraq.

"In addition to drone surveillance that day," the paper reported, "AV-8 Harriers were dropping bombs, helicopters were evacuating wounded, and a large firefight occurred about one-third of a mile from the site of the civilian shootings, said several people familiar with the investigation." Audio of radio traffic that day reportedly contradicts Rep. Murtha's claim that the Marines did not come under small-arms fire after the roadside explosion, according to one of the Post's military sources.

We know this, too: Naval Criminal Investigative Service officials have not turned their backs. Time magazine, which initially broke the story of survivors' accounts that prompted the military probe, reports that Haditha residents -- who have yet to be visited by any of Iraq's own officials -- "were gratified by [the investigation's] thoroughness" and "were especially impressed by the NCIS investigators" conducting three separate enquiries.

Finally, there is this incontrovertible fact: There are countless numbers of anti-war zealots on the American Left rooting for failure. They believe the worst about the troops. They've blindly embraced frauds who've lied about their military service and lied about wartime atrocities. They've allied themselves with socialist kooks and coddled murderous dictators. They are looking for any excuse to pull out, abandon military operations and reconstruction, and impeach the president.

They insist on giving suspected foreign terrorists more benefit of the doubt than our own men and women in uniform. And that, I know, I am not willing to do.

I will wait. I will pray. And I will remind you that while the murder of civilians is and remains an anomaly in American military history, it is the jihadists' way of life.

[PSUFAN]

The problem with that kind of article - well, the most glaring problem - is that there are plenty of people that know otherwise about Murtha - both civs and military people.

Joseph Goebbels, ready thyself for your heirs...

these traitorous anti-war zealots are salivating

The media is whooping and hollering

They didn’t give a doodly damn that their part in causing the U.S. to bug out of Vietnam

What these modern-day Benedict Arnolds are attempting to do is the recreate the shameful spectacle of battle

Their crocodile tears over the killings in Haditha

John "Cut and Run" Murtha

serving as al Jazeera satellite offices

...and, the whopper to end them all...

There are countless numbers of anti-war zealots on the American Left rooting for failure. They believe the worst about the troops. They've blindly embraced frauds who've lied about their military service and lied about wartime atrocities. They've allied themselves with socialist kooks and coddled murderous dictators. They are looking for any excuse to pull out, abandon military operations and reconstruction, and impeach the president.

They insist on giving suspected foreign terrorists more benefit of the doubt than our own men and women in uniform.


This is the hysterical tripe that the New Media is pushing out to their consumers. This is the source of sentiments like:

the lefties worry more about
thev due process of a money grubbing
congressman from Louisiana than our
troops under fire in harm's way !

*no link needed either*

Quite right, no link is needed. Nothing substantiates this type of rhetoric.

[Diogenes]

No, it is a documented fact that he was in favor of Cut and Run in Somalia, and hasn't changed since.

And there is no doubt in my mind that there are countless numbers on the left that consider the War on Bush infinitly more important than the War on Terror.

And who are either actively or subconciously hoping for America to fail.

[PSUFAN]

That's quite a thing to believe of your fellow citizens. - that they'd root against their own troops.

Sounds paranoid to me.

[Diogenes]

Again, part of their nessecary delusion is the whole 'unwinnable war' creedo. As long as they tell themselves that they are only wishing for a minimum of American troops to sacrifice their lives in an 'inevitable defeat' they can justify their cut-and-run policies as pro-military, instead of what they actually are, a combination of appeasment based on loathing of "American Imperialism" :roll: and a heartfelt desire to thwart the Evil Genius Rove and his puppet at all costs.