For All the Bush Supporters

[Sirfindafold]

go fuck yourself.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Sam, I was one of those views. Fwiw, I'm not a supporter of this Administration, never was. And I did serve. I remember being sent to the Persian Gulf during a hot portion of the Iran-Iraq War by a Commander-in-Chief who, when it had been his turn to serve 40-odd years later, had chosen instead to make movies about what it might actually be like to be in a war.

But you're right, there are certainly plenty of 101st Fighting Keyboarders in these parts.

[BSmack]

[stuckinia]

So by this logic, anyone supporting gay marriage must be willing to take one up the poopchute for the cause?

[BSmack]

So by this logic, anyone supporting gay marriage must be willing to take one up the poopchute for the cause?

I'd rather have my dick sucked.

TIA

[Mister Bushice]

Sam,

What you'll find around here when it comes ot Bush supporters is essentially the same mentality that Bush has - ignore the problem that exists or if possible, spin it in to a success story.

Although mvscal has drawn a line between the weaknesses of this administration and his support of the war, he gets a pass on your topic because he did serve.

But you have to look past his "go fuck yourself" mentality. He does it to every one. He's very equal opportunity that way.

[BSmack]

So by this logic, anyone supporting gay marriage must be willing to take one up the poopchute for the cause?

I'd rather have my dick sucked.

TIA

So you're speeding to the nearest highway rest stop then?

Huh? Why would I do that?

[Mister Bushice]

I guess that's where mvscal finds all of his cocksuckers.

[Cicero]

I'd be happy to volunteer Cicero for service. It would be good for him. It builds character...providing you have any to start with.

More character in my pinky than you have in your 4 foot Hobbit body my friend. If there was a draft I would go no doubt.

[Dinsdale]

I can't think of anyone more suited to be on the frontlines of Operation: Human Shield than Sis.

Wouldn't want any of those valuable tanks getting scratched up, now would we?

[Cicero]

I prefer the dregs of society, like you Dins, to man the frontlines.

[Dinsdale]

Have you ever seen a post you're not willing to reply to with "I know you are, but what am I?"

[Tom In VA]

Something just dawned on me (I'm old...it takes a while for things to sink in sometimes):

Most of you guys in here are pretty young, right? How come you guys who are such staunch supporters of this administration's policies aren't in uniform?

Not that supportive, huh? Long as someone else is dying it's a good war?

A "good" war ? What the fuck is your problem ?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

This is the only war I can remember that can be waged on top of tax cuts .

That's a "good" war, isn't it? Everybody's happy.

[stuckinia]

"Tax Cuts" is a different war.

[War Wagon]

A "good" war ? What the fuck is your problem ?

Samwise has no idea what the fuck his problem is, Tom.

He just thought he'd get some run by calling out somebody for having not served...as if anyone posting here presently were in position to do so.

So Gamgee, where did you serve?

I want the details.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

This is the only war I can remember that can be waged on top of tax cuts .

Tax cuts that have resulted in increased tax revenue.

More money for the federal government. You must be beside yourself with joy.

[BSmack]

This is the only war I can remember that can be waged on top of tax cuts .

Tax cuts that have resulted in increased tax revenue.

I guess that explains the massive, record setting budget defecits.

Maybe not so much.

[Tom In VA]

Nope. Never was in the service. We were between senseless, business-driven wars at the time I would have been in. That has no bearing whatsoever on my original premise. If I was in here screaming that this administration is doing the right thing...and I was of serving age...then I should have my ass in the military.

If you are able to serve now, why are you not doing so? Those who feel this is a just war (my use of the word good was in poor taste)...a necessary war...a war to protect your country...why are you not in Iraq? Obviously it doesn't mean that much to you. If you'd rather sit back and let others do your fighting for you while you type away defending this debacle, you are a puss. And not a good American. very unpatriotic. Disgusting.

One of my sons wanted to enlist and get over there as fast as he could. He bought the whole "defending America" crap hook, line and sinker. He's a bit impulsive and is easily swayed by the tripe emanating from the White House. I told him I'sd support hinm whatever he decided to do. Thankfully, he came to his senses and didn't enlist. If I lost a son because of this president, I don't know what I'd do.

So now that gives you the right to ridicule the war effort ?

[Tom In VA]

Ridicule the war effort?

Earlier you said ....

...... about this ridiculous war .......

So yeah.

[BSmack]

So now that gives you the right to ridicule the war effort ?

No, being an American gives him that right.

[Tom In VA]

Wanna try and explain why we're there?

Let's see, how about "NO". If you don't get it, then you don't get it. Besides, I'm actually sold on your idea and agree with you. If you aren't there, then you really should just keep your fucking mouth shut, on both sides of the issue.

[Tom In VA]

So now that gives you the right to ridicule the war effort ?

No, being an American gives him that right.

But it doesn't give other Americans the right to throw in morale support for the country and it's president ?

[Tom In VA]

No, being an American gives him that right.

But it doesn't give other Americans the right to throw in morale support for the country and it's president ?

Sure. If I owned an oil company, I'd be Bush's best friend.




"To (say) that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it's morally treasonable to the American public." ~ Theodore Roosevelt

Agreed, but why can't I believe Bush is not acting in our best interests ?

DO you use oil Sam ?

[Tom In VA]

Agreed, but why can't I believe Bush is not acting in our best interests ?

DO you use oil Sam ?

Tom, you have every right to support Bush. I have no argument with that. I would never hope that everyone would agree with my opinion or with any particular slant. Diversity of opinion(s) is what makes this country as great as it is.

Yes, I'm extremely frustrated with this administration's policies. Yes, I think we are teetering at the brink of losing everything that is important to us because of people like Rove and Cheney. I have absolutely no faith in anyone in the Democratic party either. We are experiencing a period where there is a vacuum as far as real leadership and intellect in our government. It's scary as hell.

Don't get me wrong, Bush has bumbled a bit here and there, but my thought is .... "it's too late, we're stuck with him, let's get behind him and maybe he'll do a better job".

So much of rhetoric now, like even yesterday to undersell the coup of killing Zarqawi, is political gamesmanship and is practiced on both sides.

Anyway I could ramble on, but I wish our people could come home, asap as much as anyone. I wish I could be there with them, but I'm a failure in that aspect and can only pray, wish for, contribute, donate, and chip in where I can.

Do we live in scary times ? Yes we do. But I don't think we agree on the reasons. The bottom line is we live in a world where people mistake kindness for weakness. We're paying for that right now.

[Mister Bushice]

Don't get me wrong, Bush has bumbled a bit here and there,

THAT ^^ is the understatement of the year.

Tom, do you really equate sectarian violence - sunnis killing shiites and vice versa - as terrorism? Do you really think that us marching around in iraq shooting at religious fanatics will do anything to quell worldwide terrorism?

IMO what iraq has devolved into is bordering on civil war based on sectarian control of power, not a terror war. A.Q. was not there before we arrived, and they will go when we go, as we are their focal point, not iraq. The religious factions will never stop the violence they do to each other. The only thing that kept that in check before was saddams brutal policies towards the shiites. With that removed, they've picked it right back up.

We can't stop a religious war.

[BSmack]

we are their focal point,

Where would you prefer to fight them?

And you are simply dead, fucking wrong when you claim that AQ was not in Iraq. Iraq was their fall back position after they lost Afghanistan.

Dude! Pass that shit over here!

sin

[Mister Bushice]

OBL Himself released a statement denouncing saddam before the war. Outside of 15 year old training camps, AQ was NOT a presence in iraq when we arrived there.

And A.Q. was not in iraq before the war at anywhere near the level they are now, but our presence there has helped local recruitment quite a bit, because we are a target within reach.

The fallacy you continue to believe is that Iraq is like a bug zapper for terrorists when it's more of a breeding ground. If your theory had proven true, bombings, deaths and the level of violence would have decreased over time, not increased the way it has.

If we're not there, the local crazies have no enemy to shoot at but their own countrymen, which they will do. They won't be coming to America to do it. That's a separate group of nutcases who are already here, waiting.

[Mister Bushice]

FIrst AQ was not a presence there. They may have been there to some minor extent, but they were not actively fighting in the war until after the insurgency started. They used the war to recruit.

And you act as if they will be piling into ships to come here to america if we leave iraq. They are fighting us there because we are there and they want us to leave. We will never eliminate them all because we are too good of a recruiting tool for them.

If we are not in their country, we only have to defend our own and we're managing that just fine these days.

Be nice to have the 50 billion they just authorized for Iraq to use here, though. What a colossal waste of our money.

Besides, a good portion of the battles currently being waged over there are either A: sectarian or B: intended to disrupt the democratic process. They have little to do with worldwide terrorism.

[War Wagon]

FIrst AQ was not a presence there.

So, Zarquari only existed in someones imagination, then?

Does it really surprise when someone calls you a gibbering dumbfuck?

Surprise, then.

If we are not in their country, we only have to defend our own and we're managing that just fine these days.

Which part of "It's ALL about the OIL" don't you understand?

Newsflash: The only reason we give a flying FUCK about Iraq and the Middle East in general is that OIL is of a strategic, vital importance to the U.S.

[Mister Bushice]

FIrst AQ was not a presence there.

So, Zarquari only existed in someones imagination, then?

Does it really surprise when someone calls you a gibbering dumbfuck?

Surprise, then.

If we are not in their country, we only have to defend our own and we're managing that just fine these days.

Which part of "It's ALL about the OIL" don't you understand?

Newsflash: The only reason we give a flying FUCK about Iraq and the Middle East in general is that OIL is of a strategic, vital importance to the U.S.

WAS NOT A PRESENCE = AL Z was there but was essentially underground, he was not waging a war, he was invisible. He did not declare his allegiance with AL Q almost 18 months AFTER we arrived. THus, there was no real presence of AL Q until AFTER we arrived. got it?

It's about the oil yet. production is not even sufficient to meet iraqs own needs. exports are at their lowest point in years because the insurgents are not under control

its currently all about the insurgents. you may go now.

[Mister Bushice]

Where do you intend to fight AQ if not in Iraq?

We are fighting a small portion of an AL queda affiliated group in iraq. The largest battles we have are actually with sectarian insurgents, not OBL terrorists.

AL Q exists as small groups that declare their allegiance to OBL and AL Q. They are all around the world, not Just in iraq, and there is no way for us to go and fight a ground war with all of them.

However as long as international efforts continue to hunt them down and eliminate them, we won't need to keep pouring our money and blood into the sand and call it fighting the global war on terror.

[Mister Bushice]

They are all around the world, not Just in iraq, and there is no way for us to go and fight a ground war with all of them.

No shit, dumbfuck. They are coming from all around the world to fight Americans in Iraq. We have killed far more of these fuckheads in the sands of Iraq than any international police effort.

They are? Link, please.

Odd how so many AL Q most wanteds are being caught or chased in other countries, isn't it?

[Tom In VA]

They are all around the world, not Just in iraq, and there is no way for us to go and fight a ground war with all of them.

No shit, dumbfuck. They are coming from all around the world to fight Americans in Iraq. We have killed far more of these fuckheads in the sands of Iraq than any international police effort.

They are? Link, please.

Odd how so many AL Q most wanteds are being caught or chased in other countries, isn't it?

AL Q "Most wanteds" are probably the types that can administer, nurture, and execute, not unlike our own "brass" are trying to do in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Foot Soldiers, logistical support personnel, and the like will be culled from less ubiquitious sources, local and foreign.

[Mister Bushice]

That is true, but cannon fodder is in plentiful supply.

Most of the little militant groups that have allied themselves with AL Q are local, or regional, and the recruit from the same area.

What better possible applicants could you have as cannon fodder than a bunch of young men who just had their best friends blown up or shot by the Americans?

add to that the life time of hate indoctrinated into them of western culture, and you will not lack for local recruits.

[Mister Bushice]

doesn't make your assertion that people from all over the world are flocking to iraq to shoot marines anywhere close to being true.

[Tom In VA]

doesn't make your assertion that people from all over the world are flocking to iraq to shoot marines anywhere close to being true.

Well see now you're changing the assertion. I don't think "people from all over the world are flocking" has ever been the assertion.

But clearly, and I'd bet my house on this, plenty of Islamic fundies have. From the Middle East to the Balkans and Chechnya many have come to get their "tickets punched". That would be, they come in, get some experience in fighting the "infidel" and then either die, get maimed, captured OR they move on to set up their own "cells" in some other country.

If you don't think this is occurring, I'd recommend doing a bit more research.

[Mister Bushice]

doesn't make your assertion that people from all over the world are flocking to iraq to shoot marines anywhere close to being true.

Well see now you're changing the assertion. I don't think "people from all over the world are flocking" has ever been the assertion.

I'm not changing anything, Tom. mvscal said it himself:

They are coming from all around the world to fight Americans in Iraq.

But clearly, and I'd bet my house on this, plenty of Islamic fundies have. From the Middle East to the Balkans and Chechnya many have come to get their "tickets punched". That would be, they come in, get some experience in fighting the "infidel" and then either die, get maimed, captured OR they move on to set up their own "cells" in some other country.

If you don't think this is occurring, I'd recommend doing a bit more research.

I think most of the fighter are locals, or regional, meaning saudis and iranians as well as iraquis. I did not say every single one is local, but the majority certainly are, and recruitment is mostly local.

And those who may come there are not going to put a dent in global terrorism.

I would like to see a story link that shows some proof of your assertion that peopel are coming from all over the world to fight there. I have not heard anyone claim that but you and mvscal.

All the pics of dead insurgents I've seen are wearing tattered sandals and ragged clothing. Not exactly what you'd be wearing while traveling from europe to fight there. Looks like local poor people to me.

[Tom In VA]

And mvscal is right. They are coming from all around the world.

YOU are applying the quantitative constraint on his remark. "Flocking" is far too subjective.

[Tom In VA]

All the pics of dead insurgents I've seen are wearing tattered sandals and ragged clothing. Not exactly what you'd be wearing while traveling from europe to fight there. Looks like local poor people to me.

I'm going to leave that one alone, okay Blackshice***. What the fuck do you think they'd be wearing ? Versace ?

C'mon man, you must have been kidding when you said that.


Cryptic reference to Blackwell, some fashion dude that used to be disussed on Howard Stern years ago.