Zyban

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:34 am

Started taking it on June 1st (trying to quit smoking). Today was my first 2-pill day, and I'm not sure if I like this stuff. For the past few hours, I've felt like I'm coming down off of coke (minus the insatiable urge to do more coke, I guess). It's just a really weird, uncomfortable feeling.

I've had 11 cigarettes today. I normally smoke 15-20. Supposed to smoke normally for the first week and then quit sometime in week 2.

Has anybody else tried this stuff? Does your body eventually adjust to it? Did you actually quit smoking? I want to give it a chance, but I'm really not digging this feeling. Beer seems to take the edge off a bit, but not completely.

M2 · Post by M2 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:13 am

Are you trying to save money???

The best smoke of the day... is when a young girl is giving ya a hummer!

patsy stone · Post by **patsy stone** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:21 am

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:I've had 11 cigarettes today. I normally smoke 15-20.

Wow! I normally smoke that much a week and I was worried I smoked too much. :(

I hope Zyban works. I have a few cousins that tried it years ago and they are still smoking today. If ya wanna try something else, I've known a few people who have quit by hypnosis and by accupuncture.

Rack you for wanting to quit, though! That's the first step, I think. I just enjoy it when I'm out drinking and don't really wanna quit right now.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:00 pm

I gave up on it before I got to the two pill a day stage. I'm on day 15 with nary a puff. Week one was tough and I wanted to punch out just about everybody I came into contact with. That's where the Welbutrin came in (same stuff as Zyban).

I asked my mother to hook me up with some as she works at a Hospital and has infinite hook-ups. She came through and I started taking the stuff about 7 days after my last smoke. The documentation says not to drink on the stuff, so I stopped taking it so I could get my drink on. I never felt any effects of taking it one way or the other and my smoke rage had subsided. So I figured since one of the side effects is suicide* I might be better off quitting like a man. I figured why continue with something I seem to not need. If I were to do it all over again, I'd ramp up on the Zyban like you are doing before quitting to help with the mental strain of the first week.

Bottom line is that you'll either succeed or fail in your quest to quit depending on whether or not you're ready to quit. I'd tried several other times to quit, but I was doing it for the wrong reasons (wife wanted to quit, money, etc). This time it was all my idea. I'm ready, and besides the first few days of short fuses, it has been easier than I thought.

*I'm sending my remaining dose to Toddowen.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:06 pm

The best thing that I have seen work is some drug that is techinically an anti depressant. But it kills the urge to smoke by everytime you light up it makes you toss your cookies. I haven't tried it... yet but my doctor is reccomending it.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:13 pm

When I quit smoking, I didn't use any drugs. When I had a strong craving, I'd take a deep breath, and then another. I found that to help a great deal. Basically, that's what I was doing with a smoke, so just doing it without the smoke in my lungs was enough.

If you're at day 15 without a smoke, then you're pretty far along. Now you just have to convince youself that smoking isn't something that you do.

Rich Fader · Post by **Rich Fader** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:18 pm

m2 wrote:Are you trying to save money???

The best smoke of the day... is when a young girl is giving ya a hummer!

If you smoke while you're getting a hummer...she must have one hell of a case of drymouth.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:32 pm

PSUFAN wrote: If you're at day 15 without a smoke, then you're pretty far along. Now you just have to convince youself that smoking isn't something that you do.

I'm at day 15... And I'm cool with it now. Don't need any drugs. I've even gone through a long week-end bender and this last wek-end of drinking. That was the big hurdle right their. I started smoking before I started drink, so Memorial Day week-end was the first time I have ever drank without smoking. Once that was behind me it's been smooth sailing. If I can not smoke given the lowered will power of Bourbon, There isn't a situation beyond my control. As for your second part... at this point, I am a non-smoker.

Mike, on the other hand still has some rough patches ahead.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:54 pm

When Howard had chicks on and they straddle the Zyban it gets a bit too crazy for me.

The Whistle Is Screaming · Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:01 pm

Mike, forget the drugs and quit cold turkey if you really want to quit. If you don't really want to quit, then don't bother trying as you'll fail no matter what you try.

Hh,

Props on the decision, it will be 3 years in August that I quit (cold turkey). I still crave one when I'm stressed at work or at home and when I drink or after sex and after a good meal or when I'm golfing, etc.

Just don't give in to the craving and you'll be fine.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:08 pm

If I can not smoke given the lowered will power of Bourbon, There isn't a situation beyond my control.

That's the key to it in my view...after you've shown yourself that you can avoid smoking in a situation where formerly you'd never have been caught dead unlit, you've beaten the monkey off of your back.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:11 pm

PSUFAN wrote: you've beaten the monkey off of your back.

I didn't think anyone saw me beating my monkey. I was sure the drapes were drawn!

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:21 pm

The drapes were sticky - was something wiped on them?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:34 pm

I'm on day 37 of quitting a can a day Kodiak habit. The nicotine equivalent of 4 packs of smokes a day ... for .... years.

No drugs or NRT's. The addiction is to nicotine, not the transport mechanism.

Anyway, the first week was pure hell, week two and three a mind fuck and last week was a bit easier.

Lot's of gum, mints, sunflower seeds, gallon of water a day and lots of weightlifting.

Good luck to all. The nic bitch is cunning, baffling, powerful and patient.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:46 pm

Zyban? What the fuck did that pretentious little dwarf do now?

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:48 pm

I've been very supportive of my wifes need to satiate her oral fixation.

As for me, I've just been eating Candy like a mother scratcher.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:50 pm

Headhunter wrote:I've been very supportive of my wifes need to satiate her oral fixation.

And luckily you had something the same shape and size as a cigarette?

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:52 pm

She smoked cigars...

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:00 pm

RACK TWIS.

The only way to quit is to completely convince yourself that you don't want to smoke anymore. Otherwise you're really still a smoker who's trying not to smoke. I smoked for 17 years and decided one day that it was a disgusting, unhealthy habit and that I wasn't going to do it anymore. That was that.

Of course it helped that I was no longer working either in a bar or doing construction.

Oh yeah, and the OL was pregnant.

GrizBearStare · Post by **GrizBearStare** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:12 pm

I used Zyban to quit chewing and it worked like a charm. Been quit for just over one year now.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:39 pm

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote:Mike, forget the drugs and quit cold turkey if you really want to quit. If you don't really want to quit, then don't bother trying as you'll fail no matter what you try.

That sounds really noble and all, but I spent $70 on this prescription, so I think I'm going to at least give it a couple weeks. If it actually helps with the cravings, then great. If not, I guess I'll just have to wait until I'm to the point of really wanting to quit. Last time I tried to quit, I lasted 6 days.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:27 pm

I never smoked, nor ever had any desire to smoke. I guess I was fortunate in that regard.

I tried chewing tobacco once, started hiccuping uncontrollably, and figured I was dangerously close to swallowing it. That's all it took to scare me straight.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:35 pm

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote: If it actually helps with the cravings, then great. If not, I guess I'll just have to wait until I'm to the point of really wanting to quit. Last time I tried to quit, I lasted 6 days.

I wish you all the luck in the world... But I think you've already failed.

If you're not ready to quit, you won't. You have to ask yourself why you're quitting, and if the answer is anything other than you wanting to, you're destined to fail.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope the Zyban makes it easy for you, but you'd better get your mind wrapped around wanting to quit before it can happen long term.

I smoked for 20 years and tried quitting several times, but I never really wanted to quit. I just had some good reasons to quit. This time, I wanted to quit and it has been a much smoother ride than previous attempts. I'm not looking for that way out. That excuse to smoke and say "I'll try again later". And I think that has made all the difference in the world.

The Whistle Is Screaming · Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:45 pm

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:
The Whistle Is Screaming wrote:Mike, forget the drugs and quit cold turkey if you really want to quit. If you don't really want to quit, then don't bother trying as you'll fail no matter what you try.

That sounds really noble and all, but I spent $70 on this prescription, so I think I'm going to at least give it a couple weeks. If it actually helps with the cravings, then great. If not, I guess I'll just have to wait until I'm to the point of really wanting to quit. Last time I tried to quit, I lasted 6 days.

Mike read what I wrote & then read what you wrote, focus on the bold parts. Nothing "noble" about what I wrote, just my opinion on the subject that I happen to have 1st hand knowledge about.

I wish you the best of luck and believe me, when you do finally quit, it's a great accomplishment.

TenTallBen · Post by **TenTallBen** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:01 pm

Dinsdale 3,000 word essay post on smoking in 3...2....1....

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:43 pm

Mike,

Are you quitting the weed too or just the cigs?

I've gone a little 3 weeks with no dip. Getting by. Had the wife tell me that either the dip was gone or she was...for the second time. I believe her this time. Making it easy...

Good luck, man.

Moorese · Post by **Moorese** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:59 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:I was dangerously close to swallowing it. That's all it took to scare me straight.

Uh huh.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:03 pm

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:Started taking it on June 1st (trying to quit smoking). Today was my first 2-pill day, and I'm not sure if I like this stuff. For the past few hours, I've felt like I'm coming down off of coke (minus the insatiable urge to do more coke, I guess). It's just a really weird, uncomfortable feeling.

I've had 11 cigarettes today. I normally smoke 15-20. Supposed to smoke normally for the first week and then quit sometime in week 2.

Has anybody else tried this stuff? Does your body eventually adjust to it? Did you actually quit smoking? I want to give it a chance, but I'm really not digging this feeling. Beer seems to take the edge off a bit, but not completely.

I smoked about a pack a day for eight years. I ended up quitting by doing all sorts of cardio exercise. The combination of the two was brutal on my body and made it easier to quit. The rest is just trying to find other ways to cope with stress and keeping yourself busy. Definitely worth doing though. Good luck bro.

Moorese · Post by **Moorese** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:11 pm

patsy stone wrote:I just enjoy it when I'm out drinking and don't really wanna quit right now.

That's a sensible perspective, Patsy. Sure, smoking is gross, but a little gross is not so bad every once in awhile, eh? I mean, you're out partying, slugging booze, and a square or two can actually taste pretty nice. It may taste a little funky on your breath later or make your undergarments smell a little industrial as they are being removed, but some people really exaggerate how bad cigarettes smell on the social smoker. Hey listen, any chance you are into coprophagy?

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:40 pm

Moorese wrote:coprophagy?

Bace is bunnies so he knows what that means. And laughed.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:42 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:
Moorese wrote:coprophagy?
Bace is bunnies so he knows what that means. And laughed.

Dins has learned to never Google any term Moorese uses in his comedic ramblings....he usually isn't OK with the imagery it brings.

I'm quite sure it was funny...and I'm quite sure I don't want to know why.

Last time I fell for one of these Moorese bits, I eneded up at a website dedicated to midgets eating turds. "Fool me once" and whatsuch...

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:48 pm

Dinsdale wrote:eating turds.

So you do know what it means.

Moorese · Post by **Moorese** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:18 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:straddle the Zyban

Nothing beats the jaw-dropping power of the Hammer.

Hammer of Jesus

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:25 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Bizzarofelice wrote:
Moorese wrote:coprophagy?
Bace is bunnies so he knows what that means. And laughed.

Dins has learned to never Google any term Moorese uses in his comedic ramblings....he usually isn't OK with the imagery it brings.

I'm quite sure it was funny...and I'm quite sure I don't want to know why.

Last time I fell for one of these Moorese bits, I eneded up at a website dedicated to midgets eating turds. "Fool me once" and whatsuch...

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:42 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:When Howard had chicks on and they straddle the Zyban it gets a bit too crazy for me.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:52 am

Props to all for have quit or are in the process.

Quitting Copenhagen back in December 1999 was extremely difficult. I didn't want to quit but the doctor said with the receding and bleeding gums I pretty much had to. I chewed every day and all day since college.

The withdrawals were physically unpleasant as the shakes, sweats, moderate to severe headaches and nightmares were pretty brutal for about 5 days. One of the guys gave me his 36 pack of Nicorettes as he decided to resume his smoking career and they seemed to help for a few minutes. I went through all of those in one day.

I got a pack of leaf tobacco (Levi Garrett?) to help with the withdrawals. Maybe once every couple of years someone has a tin of something and I take a pinch, then realize I could easily resume the dangerous habit. Then I see the white patches redevelop on the gums (oral, white patches, etc. = cue homo smack) and it sends a good signal to stop even if I don't want to.

Too bad you smokers can't see what your lungs look like as a visual warning. The good news is if you quit, 3 days later you'll have the same risk of a heart attack as a non smoker. Of course the other damage is already done.

TWIS is right about one really wanting to quit for it to work. Good luck y'all.

socal · Post by **socal** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:02 am

Banning Zyclone? Excellent.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:17 am

IndyFrisco wrote:Mike,

Are you quitting the weed too or just the cigs?

Oh christ no. How much pleasure must a man deprive himself of? Might as well quit drinking and jerking off then too. Then what's left? Do I start going to church???

Regarding the whole wanting to quit in order to succeed at quitting theory, I don't know if I'll ever truly 100% want to quit. What I really want is to be able to smoke 3 or 4 cigarettes a day and leave it at that. I think a person could live a perfectly normal, healthy lifestyle smoking just 3 or 4 a day. But I know how unfeasible that is, willpower-wise, so I guess quitting is my only option. I'd say about 80-90% of the cigarettes I smoke are out of habit/boredom, but there are a few that I truly enjoy. There's still this stubborn part of me that thinks I can maybe control this addiction and still enjoy those few smokes here & there. I'm just taking baby steps at this point. I'll keep you guys posted.

I don't feel nearly as cracked-out today from the Zyban, so that's a plus, I guess. I've smoked 6 so far. I'm gonna try to keep it at 10 or less today.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:12 am

UPDATE, UPDATE, UPDATE!

So... How goes it Mike?

I'm rounding into a month. I can drink at will with smokers, and even have hit a bar or two. Nary a puff.

You?

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:34 pm

Sorry I missed the last bump, HH.

The Zyban has been working amazingly well. About a week and a half ago, I started smoking one less cigarette than the day before. I started at 7, and worked my way down to 1. The next day I smoked none at all, but I still had 2 left in my pack, so I smoked those on the day after. That would have been on Wed, which just happens to be the day you bumped this. I haven't had a smoke since then.

I've heard it takes 3 days to get over the physical part of the addiction, so if I make it through today, that will be 3 days. I might buy a pack tomorrow and try the "one-a-day" plan. If I totally cave in and just smoke the whole pack in a couple days, I'll know I have to just quit for good. But I'm at least going to give the whole "smoking in moderation" thing a try first. The idea of quitting forever is still too overwhelming for me.

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