Are the russkies now joining the coalition of the willing?

[Goober McTuber]

Whatever you say, Pollyanna.

[Goober McTuber]

We didn't sell them VX nerve agent. We sold them nerve agent antidote which they claimed can be reverse engineered to produce nerve agent.

According to a number of links, we sold them both.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/enti ... 46767-3748

Along with those lab samples of common agricultural pathogens (botulism, anthrax, etc).

[Neely8]

We didn't sell them VX nerve agent. We sold them nerve agent antidote which they claimed can be reverse engineered to produce nerve agent.

According to a number of links, we sold them both.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/enti ... 46767-3748

Along with those lab samples of common agricultural pathogens (botulism, anthrax, etc).

Which is it lefties? WMD's were in Iraq or not? No matter where they came from if these stories are true then Bush's reason for going to war is validated. If not true then it shows you guys don't know what the hell your talking about. No win/No win.......

[Mikey]

What kind of a traitor are you, ya commie bastard?

How dare you criticize any Republican administration, or disagree with mvscal. Either on is tantamount to treason. Go back to your commie friends in Iran where you belong.

[Goober McTuber]

We didn't sell them VX nerve agent. We sold them nerve agent antidote which they claimed can be reverse engineered to produce nerve agent.

According to a number of links, we sold them both.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/enti ... 46767-3748

Your "number of links" all refer back to the same source.

No they don't, dumbfuck.

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorintellige ... germs.html

Between 1985 and 1989, the Senate testimony shows, Iraq received at least 72 U.S. shipments of clones, germs and chemicals ranging from substances that could destroy wheat crops, give children and animals the bone-deforming disease rickets, to a nerve gas rated a million times more lethal than Sarin.

http://democracyrising.us/content/view/30/74/

In December 2002, Iraq 's 1200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Western corporations and countries -- as well as individuals -- that exported chemical and biological materials to Iraq in the past two decades. Many American names were on the list. Alcolac International, for example, a Maryland company, transported thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor, to Iraq . A Tennessee manufacturer contributed large amounts of a chemical used to make sarin, a nerve gas implicated in Gulf War diseases.

Also see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

[BSmack]

Not advocating Nukes b/c that isnt good for the environment and for people's safety, but we have enough bombs and technology to do more damage than we are doing.

Yeah! We'll drop those bombs that are AWESOME for people's safety and the environment!

Damn straight. The FDA has even included MOABs on the food pyramid.

[OCmike]

Going into Iraq, you weren't warned of Hussein's ability to hit you with:

sarin, soman, tabun, VX, lewisite, cyanogen chloride, hydrogen cyanide, blister agents, mustard gas, anthrax, clostridium botulinum, histoplasma capsulatum, brucella melitensis, clostridium perfringens or escherichia coli?

I thought you said you were briefed before going into battle.

In the Navy we were briefed on those chemical weapons prior to going into battle in the Gulf, and were also briefed on the soviet SCUD missle that'd be used as a delivery system.

[Mikey]

I thought those were among the WMDs he was *supposed* to have. If they're nothing to be concerned about, then why were we there in the first place?

Oh yeah, that got changed to bestowing democracy (at the end of a gun) on a deserving population. Something about flowers and stuff, too, if I recall.

[Tom In VA]

I thought those were among the WMDs he was *supposed* to have. If they're nothing to be concerned about, then why were we there in the first place?

Oh yeah, that got changed to bestowing democracy (at the end of a gun) on a deserving population. Something about flowers and stuff, too, if I recall.

Well Mikey, thank you for your service in the military. While I would love to refute you, I don't think it would be proper for me, a non military serving hack, to comment.

But I do respectfully disagree. That is of course, if that's okay with General Sudden Sam.

[Mikey]

I thought those were among the WMDs he was *supposed* to have. If they're nothing to be concerned about, then why were we there in the first place?

Oh yeah, that got changed to bestowing democracy (at the end of a gun) on a deserving population. Something about flowers and stuff, too, if I recall.

Well Mikey, thank you for your service in the military. While I would love to refute you, I don't think it would be proper for me, a non military serving hack, to comment.

But I do respectfully disagree. That is of course, if that's okay with General Sudden Sam.

Suck that gut in soldier!!
Shoulders back!!

This squad is pathetic - can't even stand at attention correctly!!

You act like a bunch of old men!!!

[Tom In VA]

Nice melt Mikey. You're melting.

[Mikey]

Thanks trev.

[OCmike]

Evidently there can only be one, single reason for going to war. I must missed that memo, but if whiny liberal pantloads say so...

You can lay that one right at the doorstep of the Bush Administration. They put all of their eggs in the WMD basket and when none were found tried to switch gears and sell everyone a different bill of goods.

It was fine that we were going to now depose a vicious dictator, but we're not all so stupid that you can suddenly pretend that that was the original purpose for going to war.

I know Colin Powell laid out a multi-layered argument for war, but everything other than eliminating Saddam's WMDs was second or third on down the list.

[Bizzarofelice]

OH SNAP! Aluminum tubes!!!

[Goober McTuber]

No they don't, dumbfuck.

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorintellige ... germs.html

Between 1985 and 1989, the Senate testimony shows, Iraq received at least 72 U.S. shipments of clones, germs and chemicals ranging from substances that could destroy wheat crops, give children and animals the bone-deforming disease rickets, to a nerve gas rated a million times more lethal than Sarin.

Yes, they do...dumbfuck. The above propaganda piece was written a mere two weeks after the Sunday Herald article. Coincidence? I think not.

Are you disputing the fact that it was based on Senate testimony?

I never said that other countries didn’t play a larger role, but to suggest that we provided nothing more than agricultural samples is a wee bit disingenuous.

One other thing. Considering the tens of thousands of Gulf War veterans who suffered mysterious debilitating illnesses, it’s probably too early to say that zero American soldiers were/will be killed by Iraq's chemical weapons. Dumbfuck.

[Goober McTuber]

Considering the tens of thousands of Gulf War veterans who suffered mysterious debilitating illnesses, it’s probably too early to say that zero American soldiers were/will be killed by Iraq's chemical weapons. Dumbfuck.

Funny how known survivors of chemical attacks do not share their symptoms. I suppose I'll just have to chalk that one up to you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about again.

Although there is not yet a case definition for Gulf War Illness, the chronic signs and symptoms loosely fit the clinical criteria for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Some patients have additionally what appears to be neurotoxicity and brainstem dysfunction that can result in autonomic, cranial and peripheral nerve demyelination, possibly due to complex chemical exposures. Often these patients have been diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Syndrome (MCS) or Organophosphate-Induced Delayed Neurotoxicity (OPIDN). Chemically exposed patients can be treated by removal of offending chemicals from the patient's environment, depletion of chemicals from the patient's system and treatment of the neurotoxic signs and symptoms caused by chemical exposure(s). A rather large subset (~40%) of GWI patients have transmittible infections, including mycoplasmal and possibly other chronic bacterial infections, that have resulted in the appearance of GWI in immediate family members and civilians in the Gulf region. It is likely that veterans of the Gulf War who are ill with GWI owe their illnesses to a variety of exposures: (a) chemical mixtures, primarily organophosphates, antinerve agents and possibly nerve agents, (b) radiological sources, primarily depleted uranium and possibly fallout from destroyed nuclear reactors, and (c) biological sources, primarily bacteria, viruses and toxins, before, during and after the conflict. Such exposures can result in poorly defined chronic illnesses, but these illnesses can be treated if appropriate diagnoses are forthcoming.

http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_il ... earch.html

[mothster]

don't blame me, when i was shaking saddam's hand i had my fingers crossed behind my back--------

rummy

[Goober McTuber]

From mvscallous' own link:

Iraq didn't declare everything it bought, so the data is incomplete. But they can be presumed to be reliable as far as they go. In general, the pattern of Iraqi behavior with United Nations inspectors was to admit buying something only after learning that the inspectors already knew about it. Thus, it seems logical to assume that the admitted imports actually occurred.

The absence of American firms from this picture does not mean that none supplied Mr. Hussein's mass-destruction weapons programs.
American firms show up on lists of suppliers of anthrax strains to Iraq, and of advanced electronics for nuclear and missile sites.

[Mikey]

Weird too how mvscal is suddenly citing the weapons inspectors, who he would normally accuse of being complete failures.

[Goober McTuber]

Funny how known survivors of chemical attacks do not share their symptoms. I suppose I'll just have to chalk that one up to you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about again.

Although there is not yet a case definition for Gulf War Illness, the chronic signs and symptoms loosely fit the clinical criteria for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Some patients have additionally what appears to be neurotoxicity and brainstem dysfunction that can result in autonomic, cranial and peripheral nerve demyelination, possibly due to complex chemical exposures. Often these patients have been diagnosed with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Syndrome (MCS) or Organophosphate-Induced Delayed Neurotoxicity (OPIDN). Chemically exposed patients can be treated by removal of offending chemicals from the patient's environment, depletion of chemicals from the patient's system and treatment of the neurotoxic signs and symptoms caused by chemical exposure(s). A rather large subset (~40%) of GWI patients have transmittible infections, including mycoplasmal and possibly other chronic bacterial infections, that have resulted in the appearance of GWI in immediate family members and civilians in the Gulf region. It is likely that veterans of the Gulf War who are ill with GWI owe their illnesses to a variety of exposures: (a) chemical mixtures, primarily organophosphates, antinerve agents and possibly nerve agents, (b) radiological sources, primarily depleted uranium and possibly fallout from destroyed nuclear reactors, and (c) biological sources, primarily bacteria, viruses and toxins, before, during and after the conflict. Such exposures can result in poorly defined chronic illnesses, but these illnesses can be treated if appropriate diagnoses are forthcoming.

http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_il ... earch.html

In other words...they haven't a clue.

In other words, it’s quite possible that a number of our veterans have died or will die from exposure to nasty chemicals and nerve gas in Iraq.

[mothster]

ok so what's the score?

[Mikey]

[moving the bar] ...........[/moving the bar]

When did this become a discussion of legality / illegality or trials and convictions? There weren't too many convictions from Iran/Contra either, but I'd say selling missiles to Iran was fairly illegal at the time as was funneling money to the Contras. You going to deny that this happened too?

[Nishlord]

Meanwhile, Here's what your newest ally has been up to...

[Nishlord]

Meanwhile...(pt 2)

[OCmike]

How did they know her name was "Lorry"?

[smackaholic]

Stupid limeys can't spell nothing right. It's lauri or possibly lori.

Learn to speak/spell american dammit!!!!

[Dinsdale]

I'm the last guy who'll ever be accused of over-the-top American myopia...BUT...

We invented the "PICK-UP TRUCK."

We named it the "pick-up truck."

It IS called a "pick-up truck."


Not a "lorry."

[Goober McTuber]

I believe that a lorry is typically a larger truck than a pick-up.

[Dinsdale]

"Lorry" is a fairly generic term for pick-ups and delivery-type trucks.

[Goober McTuber]

Maybe up there in the U & L, but I used to live overseas where the term “lorry” was commonly used, and it typically refers to a large truck.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lorry

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/lorry

http://dict.die.net/lorry/

http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/LORRY

[Dinsdale]

Maybe up there in the U & L

:bigfatrolleyes:

From your own freaking link --

[Brit] An automotive vehicle suitable for hauling

[Goober McTuber]

Nice try. That’s the third possible definition on one site, derived from “motortruck” or “truck”. From virtually any definition you can find, a lorry (other than a wagon) is typically “a large truck designed to carry heavy loads; usually without sides”. Having lived in a country that actually uses the term on a regular basis, I can tell you that “lorry” is typically a large truck.

The etymology of the word predates the pick-up truck.

[Dinsdale]

Having lived in a country that actually uses the term on a regular basis, I can tell you that “lorry” is typically a large truck.

Uhm...last I checked, my passport lists me as having two nationalities...American, first and foremost. You'll never freaking guess the other...

"Lorry," once again, is a fairly generic term for delivery/hauling vehicles.

[Terry in Crapchester]

This thread hasn't gone very well for mvscal.

Sin,

[Goober McTuber]

Yeah, I know your other nationality, Limeydale. Just show me a link where lorry=pick-up truck, not large truck. Nishlord could of course back you up if indeed the general meaning of the word has changed since 40 years ago.

It’s even on a fucking t-shirt :wink:

[Terry in Crapchester]

This thread hasn't gone very well for mvscal.

Sin,

Yes, of course. Sincerely "a synonym for clueless dumbfuck"

No, a master of the obvious. Not surprising that you wouldn't get it, though.

[Goober McTuber]

mvscal,

You obviously don’t understand Terry’s subtle brand of humor. You should know by now that Terry is the board egg-spurt on what is and isn’t funny.

[Terry in Crapchester]

mvscal,

You obviously don’t understand Terry’s subtle brand of humor. You should know by now that Terry is the board egg-spurt on what is and isn’t funny.

Never claimed to be that, but considering that mvscal's racism passes for funny among the majority of this board . . .

[Goober McTuber]

mvscal,

You obviously don’t understand Terry’s subtle brand of humor. You should know by now that Terry is the board egg-spurt on what is and isn’t funny.

Never claimed to be that, but considering that mvscal's racism passes for funny among the majority of this board . . .

His racism isn’t, and never will be, what is funny about mvscal. Oh, master of the oblivious.

[Terry in Crapchester]

That's right. Oh and sniveling cunts like you will never be funny.

If you think you're funny, then you probably think that Jim Carrey and Jerry Lewis are also funny.