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MMA fans rejoice: Wanderlei Silva vs Chuck Liddell

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Holy fucking hell, I can't believe this fight is finally going to happen. Assuming that Liddell gets past Babalu - which is certainly not a gimme.

Pride's Champ vs UFC's Champ. Non-MMA fans could probably care less but it's a big deal. Probably the most anticipated fight in MMA history.

Imagine if MLB didn't have the World Series and the AL and NL champs never played each other. Imagine if the NFL didn't have the Super Bowl and the AFC and NFC champs never played each other. Now imagine that the World Series and Super Bowl were announced. That's what Silva vs Liddell is for MMA fans.

Props to the UFC & Pride for somehow putting this together, especially the UFC as they announced it and will be having the fight.

For those that haven't heard yet: If Chuck beats Babalu next month, Wanderlei Silva will come to the UFC to fight Chuck in November at what will probably be UFC 64 or 65.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeOtIn4K ... h=ufc%2061

The video is pure comedy as Brazilian Wanderlei Silva, who can barely speak English, gets tongue-tied and says he wants to "Fuck Chuck Liddell" instead of fight. He quickly corrects himself. I'm still laughing.
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I gotta think Silva will wipe up on Chuck.

I saw Iceman get waxed by Rampage Jackson on Pride (think that fight was 2 years ago) and Silva is a quantum leap up in class from Rampage
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KC Scott wrote:I gotta think Silva will wipe up on Chuck.

I saw Iceman get waxed by Rampage Jackson on Pride (think that fight was 2 years ago) and Silva is a quantum leap up in class from Rampage
That transitive property argument doesn't work well in MMA.

Yes, Chuck got beat up by Rampage and Rampage got creamed by Silva twice. That said, Silva lost badly to both Vitor Belfort and Tito Ortiz. Chuck beat the living hell out of both of them.

Chuck has improved greatly since he lost to Rampage. He would kill Rampage if they fought now. Silva has also improved greatly since he lost to Ortiz and Belfort.

Silva's weakness, if he has one, is he has a lot of trouble with good wrestlers and ground & pound guys (like Tito and Ricardo Arona). He won't have to worry about that with Liddell. They will both standup and punch, knee and kick each other until one drops. It is truly the Dream Fight that everyone has been waiting for.

Word is that UFC has Silva on loan for three fights. Which sets up another fight against Tito as well.
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Funny -- half of the drunken UFC noobs are thinking Wanderlei Who? Huh, there was one?

And Goldy -- "He's a star in Japan." :)

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I was out of town and didn't order the ppv, but it sounds like I didn't miss much. The announcement was probably the highlight of the night.

So RF, IF this fight happens, who do you like? I gotta go with Silva.
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Did Ortiz beat the snot out of that arrogant steroid freak Shamrock?
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I didn't see it, but yeah, in 78 seconds.

Sounded like Ortiz slammed him down, pushed him against the fence, and dropped elbows until the ref stopped it. Shamrock protested (of course)that the fight was stopped too soon.

Shammy is now is 1-5 in his last six fights. Time to hang it up.
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Re: MMA fans rejoice: Wanderlei Silva vs Chuck Liddell

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Rack Fu wrote:Imagine if the NFL didn't have the Super Bowl and the AFL and NFL champs never played each other.
I don't have to imagine it, I just remember it.
Joe in PB wrote: Yeah I'm the dumbass
schmick, speaking about Larry Nassar's pubescent and prepubescent victims wrote: They couldn't even kick that doctors ass

Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
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Silva beat Arlovsky? WTF?
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Uncle Fester wrote: So RF, IF this fight happens, who do you like? I gotta go with Silva.
I'm not sure. Silva has looked less than spectacular in some fights the past couple of years, IMO. Whereas Chuck has looked great.

BUT...
If the Wanderlei Silva that beat the fuck out of Fujita a couple of weeks ago shows up, he isn't losing to anybody. He looked that good at the last Pride show.

Silva has a tendency to throw wild shots at times, and given Liddell's great counterpunching and accurate striking, Silva will need to be very, very careful to not make mistakes or Chuck ends his night early. You also have to factor in the cage instead of the ring, and no soccer kicks, stomps and knees to the head of a downed opponent. It's been a long time since Silva has fought in the UFC. He's used the head kicks and stomps to great effect in Pride.
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First of all, when Rampage lost to Wandelei, it was a physical match for both fighters that simply ended with one devastating blow. In no way would I say Rampage was out of Wandy's class.

Rampage did whip Chuck in Pride, but here again, there are several things to consider. 1) Chuck was exhausted and winded in that fight, which he usually isn't and 2) It was in a ring and not an octagon.

I expect the advantage will shift to Chuck over Wandy being that it's in Chuck's domain and Wandy has only a handful of fights in the octagon in his career, and almost NONE in recent memory.
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Did anybody watch this?

How the hell did Arlovsky not put a beat down on Sylvia
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LAS VEGAS, July 8 – The rubber match between Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski didn’t match the brief and explosive nature of their first two bouts, but Sylvia did enough to outlast ‘The Pitbull’ in their war of nerves before a sold out crowd of 12,400 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center.

Scores were 48-47 twice and 49-46 for Ellsworth, Maine’s Sylvia, who repeated his April 15th win over Arlovski. The Belarus native defeated Sylvia via submission on February 5, 2005.

“I definitely saw myself winning,” said Sylvia, 24-2. “Arlovski fixed his chin because I hit him hard many times. He’s a tough, tough guy.”

The pace was measured early, with Arlovski working his leg kicks effectively and Sylvia looking for the big bomb. With a little under three minutes left, Sylvia’s first heavy salvo rocked Arlovski briefly, but after a short clinch, ‘The Pitbull’ came firing back and fought with a relaxed ease as Sylvia appeared tense as he stalked the challenger.

The heavy punches kept coming in the second round, with Arlovski still scoring, but Sylvia answering by opening a cut on the left side of his foe’s head and the tense drama continued to play out in round three, with Sylvia starting to show the scars of battle via a mouse under his right eye as Arlovski again landed the cleaner blows between sporadic bursts of activity from the champion.

The fourth round saw the crowd get restless, and Sylvia responded by picking up the pace and opening up cuts under Arlovski’s right eye and on the side of his left eye, but the final round played out like the previous four, with both fighters having all too brief moments of scoring activity, and leaving the bout in the hands of the judges, much to the chagrin of the packed house.

In the UFC 61 co-featured bout, it may be safe to say that the feud between Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock is far from over as Ortiz made it two in a row over his longtime rival, stopping the UFC hall of famer with a series of forearm strikes just 1:18 into the first round.

The bout was not without its share of controversy though, as referee Herb Dean’s stoppage drew loud boos from the capacity crowd and prompted the Las Vegas police to enter the Octagon to keep an irate Shamrock from getting at Ortiz.

“Look at my face,” said Shamrock, 26-11-2 who stated his case to fans after storming from the Octagon. “See, no marks.”

But despite the protests, there was little doubt that the stoppage was just, after Ortiz landed five consecutive forearms on the head of Shamrock, who was not defending himself.

“I was just doing my job, dropping elbows,” said Ortiz, 15-4, the former UFC light heavyweight champion. “He wasn’t responding or defending himself and Herb Dean did his job.”

Shamrock looked to get the job done himself as he came out throwing heavy punches as he bulled Ortiz to the fence. But once Ortiz got his bearings, he picked Shamrock up and slammed him to the mat, leading to the fight ending series of strikes.

Ortiz stopped Shamrock in three rounds in their first meeting on November 22, 2002.

Josh Burkman scored the biggest win of his UFC career, earning a hard fought three round unanimous decision over Josh Neer in a welterweight bout.

Scores were 29-28 twice, and 30-27.

The two welterweights fought at a fast clip in the first round, trading strikes, with Burkman (18-3) holding a slight edge due to a knockdown scored with little over a minute left in the frame.

Neer (17-4-1) rebounded in the second as he controlled matters at close quarters and on the mat. But midway through the round, it was Burkman rallying with hard punches to the head. Des Moines’ Neer, bleeding from a cut around his left eye, disdainfully called for more, and when it appeared that the momentum was going to swing back to him, Burkman finished the round with a slam to the canvas.

Neer pushed the pace in the final round, and after some standup work, he got Burkman to the mat and attempted to lock in a triangle choke. Burkman responded with a thunderous slam and escaped further danger. Neer wasn’t done yet though, as he tried to work submissions on Burkman from the mat, but to no avail as the Salt Lake City native finished strong.

Former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir won his first fight in over two years, eking out a three round unanimous decision over Dan Christison.

All three judges scored the bout 29-28 for Mir, who was sidelined for 16 months due to a motorcycle accident in September of 2004. His first comeback fight, on February 4, saw him get stopped by Brazil’s Marcio Cruz.

“I needed my confidence back as a fighter,” said Mir, whose last victory was his title-winning effort over Tim Sylvia on June 19, 2004.

The first round was a tale of two halves, as Mir dominated the first 2:30 with strong strikes on the feet as well as a takedown of his foe, and Albuquerque, New Mexico’s Christison roared back in the final stages of the round with an armbar attempt and some solid standup strikes of his own.

With Mir at 262 pounds, way over his prime fighting weight, fatigue looked to be an issue in the second for the Las Vegan, and Christison landed some hard point-scoring punches in the round. And once the fight hit the mat, Christison again was the more active of the two, even though he wasn’t in the dominant top position.

Perhaps sensing that the fight was slipping away from him, Mir came out aggressively in the final stanza, and once he bloodied Christison’s nose, he pounded away with both hands, looking for the stoppage, but it didn’t come, sending the bout to the judges.

Former welterweight Joe Stevenson made a successful jump to the 155-pound weight class with a bloody second round stoppage of Yves Edwards, whose cut forehead prompted a halt to the bout after 10 minutes of spirited action.

“I can do anything I want to at this weight,” said Stevenson, 30-7.

Showing why the lightweight division is the most exciting in the game, Edwards and Stevenson took turns in controlling the first round, with Edwards’ strikes dropping the Las Vegan to the mat, and Stevenson’s ground and pound piling up points in its own right. Edwards may have taken the round though with a triangle attempt in the final 15 seconds.

Stevenson got the first takedown of the second round and pushed Conroe, Texas’ Edwards (29-11-1) to the fence in order to pound away with his left hand, opening a nasty gash on the top of Edwards’ head in the process. After a break in the action for the doctor to inspect the cut, the fight resumed on the mat, with Stevenson firing away but Edwards hanging tough and even making it to his feet before the bell.

But though Edwards was ready to continue, the amount of blood from the cut forced referee John McCarthy to wisely call the bout on the advice of the ringside physicians just before the start of the final round.

Hermes Franca returned to the UFC for the first time since April 2, 2004, and won his fifth consecutive fight of 2006 with an impressive third round submission win over late replacement Joe Jordan.

“He’s a tough kid,” said Franca of Jordan, who replaced the injured Roger Huerta. “I tried to work my standup, and it worked well, but my jiu-jitsu’s better.”

Franca (14-5) came out bombing with kicks and almost got Jordan’s back early, but the Iowan hung tough and avoided any more serious damage in the opening round, which drew the ire of the crowd due to the lack of sustained bursts of action.

Picking up the pace in the second, Franca’s accurate strikes woke up the fans in attendance and drew a disdainful look from the iron-chinned Jordan (23-10-2). But practically all the offense in the bout was coming from the Brazilian, who potshotted the now bloody nosed Jordan.

Looking to end matters, Franca quickly got a takedown in the opening stages of the final round, and after passing on a kimura attempt, a transition into a triangle choke finally produced a tap out just 47 seconds into the round.

Olympia, Washington’s Jeff Monson, who caused a stir in the Mandalay Bay Events Center crowd by entering the Octagon to the strains of John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’, impressively stated his case for a heavyweight title shot as he halted Australia’s Anthony Perosh in the first round.

“I deserve a title shot,” said Monson. “Arlovski and Sylvia are tough, but when I get the fight to the ground, it’s over.”

After a fairly tame opening two and a half minutes, the two grappling standouts stood and traded on the inside, and Monson (24-5) landed a hard knee and right hand and Perosh (5-2) fell to the mat. A follow-up barrage brought in referee Herb Dean, and the fight was halted at the 2:42 mark.

French kickboxing star Cheick Kongo made his UFC debut a successful one as he used a series of knees and uppercuts to stop Phoenix’ Gilbert Aldana via cuts in the first round.

The end came at 4:13, as a nasty gash over the right eye of Aldana prompted referee Yves Lavigne to halt the bout after consulting with the ringside physician.

“I’m happy to be here and to represent Europe,” said Paris’ Kongo, who lifts his record to 18-2-1. Aldana, who started strong behind two impressive slams to the mat but couldn’t stand with the technically superior striker, falls to 5-2.

UFC newcomer Kurt Pellegrino got a rude welcome to the Octagon, as Drew Fickett submitted the Point Pleasant, New Jersey native in the UFC 61 opener.

Pellegrino controlled the first round against the Tucson, Arizona veteran, both on the feet with his fast hands and on the ground with a solid but unspectacular ground and pound attack.

The less than scintillating pace dipped even more in round two, with neither fighting gaining a decided edge in some uninspired groundwork.

Pellegrino opened the third with a loud slam of Fickett, but a lapse of concentration on the ground allowed ‘The Master’ to lock in a rear naked choke that produced a tap out at 1:20 of the final round.

“I was biding my time, hoping that I could get his back,” said Fickett, who improves to 30-4. Pellegrino falls to 13-2.
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I watched UFC 61. Worst. Event. Ever.

Arlovski AND Sylvia were too cautious for all 5 rounds. Neither one wanted to get KTFO. Apparently the judges agreed with me; to be the champ you need to BEAT the champ, and no title holder deserves to lose their belt in a boring fight where all the fighters do is dance with each other. Arlovski needed to take it and he didn't do it.
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KC Scott wrote:Did anybody watch this?

How the hell did Arlovsky not put a beat down on Sylvia
This is what I had to say on Sherdog...
What a piss poor gameplan that was. Leg kicks were working in round 1. Then you never saw them again. If by round 2 you haven't knocked Sylvia on his ass, plan B should be to go for some takedowns and exploit Sylvia's huge weakness. Sylvia is borderline clueless on the ground. While Arlovski is no Big Nog, he's pretty damn good at working submissions. Definitely upper-tier when it comes to heavyweights.

Is it a matter of him having a stable full of yes-men letting him do whatever he wants or does he ignore his corner?

He deserved to lose that fight. He could've easily won it. All that talent wasting away unless he finds the right camp and gets his head out of his ass.

Props to Big Tim. Terrible fight and neither one of them really went after it but a win is a win is a win...

One takedown in each of those rounds, regardless if any damage would've been done, and Arlovski is wearing the belt around his waist once again. It was that simple.

I'm hoping that we will see Arlovski fight Mir or Vera next. With the winner set for a title shot a couple of fights down the road.

I don't see anyone beating Sylvia in the HW division that isn't named Arlovski. Monson is going to get hammered by Sylvia. Big strong dude but that foot height and reach difference is going to be nearly impossible to overcome. Vera is too small and lacks the experience. Mir seems to be incapable of cardio training and Tim will look to kill him after what happened the last time they fought.

Andrei - get with a new camp and get your shit together.
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Apparently Arlovski got hurt badly in the second round which is why he was useless.
Arlovski to Undergo MRI on Left Leg
By Josh Gross

[7/11/2006] Since losing a five-round unanimous decision Saturday evening to Tim Sylvia (Pictures), fans and media alike have speculated as to why Andrei Arlovski (Pictures) stopped moving forward during the final three rounds of the UFC heavyweight title fight.

The answer, it seems, is due in large measure to a kick Sylvia offered in the second period.

Having returned to Chicago, the banged up Belarusian will undergo an MRI on Tuesday focusing on both the ankle and knee of his lead left leg, which Keith Gelman, Arlovski's marketing director, indicated had swollen to four times its normal size.

According to Gelman the injuries occurred when Arlovski tried to check a kick from the six-foot-eight Sylvia. Yet the attack managed to slam its way into Arlovski's knee, rendering "The Pitbull" unable to effectively kick or make takedown attempts during the remaining 15 minutes.

Gelman also expressed that Arlovski, whom the Nevada State Athletic Commission has suspended from competition until September 7, kept quiet about the injury because he didn't want to appear as if he was making excuses for falling short on points.
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