Bike Guys... Harley's new motor.

[Van]

Attacking my job

Yeah...but I checked with my manager first...he was in a good mood today.

Actually I didn't even go in today, thus the lengthier posts.

[Van]

Slice it anyway you want, poser. Harleys make no power, anywhere. Got that?

Anywhere! They're anemic...everywhere!

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/con ... rdid=43614

World's Fastest Motorcycle. A Harley Davidson.

How stupid will your reply be? I'm willing to say, pretty fucking stupid.

Okay, try sauntering down to your local Harley dealer to buy one of those. Make sure though before you leave that they spell out the specifics of your factory warranty...

Christ...

We're talking stock regular production bikes here, nitwit.

[Dinsdale]

We're talking reported mechanical break downs submitted to the manufacturer for repair/warranty/recall work.

And here's some anecdotal evidence -- Honda keeps those warranty claims down by not honoring their warranty...firsthand experience.

More to the story than meets-the-eye.

[T1B Nic]

You want to talk about your personal experiences with your Harleys. That's fine. I have over 200K miles on "Jap" bikes and every single one of those bikes had motors with higher compression than any Harley. All of 'em had higher performance per CC...

I've many as well. No need to toss out numbers for a *bigger dick contest*.

Just say with you saying 200K, you wouldn't snub your nose at my numbers. I've never had a major problem with any of my sleds.

From the Garbage Barge (Full dress with a COUPLE lights) down to the Sporty I bought in high school, and rode to Daytona & back. (4K+ miles) <<~~EDIT: In 7 days I put over 5K on it.

You will never convince me that a Harley can't do the miles, as I've done them myself.

[Dinsdale]

Btw, I'm still waiting on that Harley/Big Twin liquid cooled motor info.

Oh, so sorry, Van, I can't help you.

I guess you should have ponied up that extra $1200 for the Dinsdale's-Posts-Extended-Warranty....it would have been covered.


I don't think my manager would approve of selling you one retroactively...he's not in a very good mood today, but he might send down a counteroffer. I'll go upstairs and check.

[T1B Nic]

We're talking stock regular production bikes here, nitwit.

"Slice it anyway you want, poser. Harleys make no power, anywhere. Got that?

Anywhere! They're anemic...everywhere!"

Didn't notice the word stock anywhere, bud.

[Dinsdale]

Man, how much cooler would Easy Rider have been if they would have hit Mardi Gras on Hondas?

[T1B Nic]

Man, how much cooler would Easy Rider have been if they would have hit Mardi Gras on Hondas?

lolz

I've got the DVD with interviews with Hopper & Fonda. Most of the filming they were only riding 25 MPH or so. All the weed was real. And Hopper is crazier than I thought.

[Rootbeer]

If you manage to wear out a HD, you show up at the local Gypsy Joker clubhouse with a half-gram of meth, and it's fixed.

Now that's funny.

[Dinsdale]

Tell you what Van -- when they name a freaking drug after a part of a Honda engine, I'll concede your points.


Until then...BODE Harley.

[Dinsdale]

If you manage to wear out a HD, you show up at the local Gypsy Joker clubhouse with a half-gram of meth, and it's fixed.

Now that's funny.

No it's not....Spinich Genie out front should have told you...

[Van]

We're talking stock regular production bikes here, nitwit.

"Slice it anyway you want, poser. Harleys make no power, anywhere. Got that?

Anywhere! They're anemic...everywhere!"

Didn't notice the word stock anywhere, bud.

You also didn't notice much of anything on that streamliner that was truly a Harley.

More importantly, it's not built by H-D and it's not for sale at any Harley dealership. I'd think you would've grasped at least that much.

It's this sort of grasping at straws by The Faithful that really makes them look utterly lame to the rest of the motorcycle world.

TIB, I'm sure you're aware that Harley and Buell have on occasion attempted to (somewhat) legitimately take on other manufacturers by actually racing with them. You're probably also aware then that every single time they've done so since the advent of Japan, Inc, they've failed on just a Homerian scale.

Trying to make a Harley turn, brake and go genuinely fast, on the same road or track with modern machinery? It ...just...doesn't...work.

I don't know even know why they try, actually. Going fast or even going well, it's not their stock in trade. It's not what they're about.

That's no excuse though for their entire line up of non Porsche designed street going cruisers to still be relics of the 1950s...

[Van]

We're talking reported mechanical break downs submitted to the manufacturer for repair/warranty/recall work.

And here's some anecdotal evidence -- Honda keeps those warranty claims down by not honoring their warranty...firsthand experience.

More to the story than meets-the-eye.

Yeah, and no H-D guy ever experienced something similar?

Talk to any multi line dealership's service manager. Ask him directly...

"Dude, of all the brands you service, which manafucaturer is most concerned about keeping up their good name? Which manufacturer is most likely to go above and beyond their specified warranty period in order to keep a customer happy?"

I can guarantee you his answer won't be Kawasaki, Suzuki or Yamaha. It also won't be H-D.

His answer will either be Triumph (who are trying their asses off), BMW or Honda.

[T1B Nic]

We're talking stock regular production bikes here, nitwit.

"Slice it anyway you want, poser. Harleys make no power, anywhere. Got that?

Anywhere! They're anemic...everywhere!"

Didn't notice the word stock anywhere, bud.

You also didn't notice much of anything on that streamliner that was truly a Harley.

More importantly, it's not built by H-D and it's not for sale at any Harley dealership. I'd think you would've grasped at least that much.

It's this sort of grasping at straws by The Faithful that really makes them look utterly lame to the rest of the motorcycle world.

TIB, I'm sure you're aware that Harley and Buell have on occasion attempted to (somewhat) legitimately take on other manufacturers by actually racing with them. You're probably also aware then that every single time they've done so since the advent of Japan, Inc, they've failed on just a Homerian scale.

Trying to make a Harley turn, brake and go genuinely fast, on the same road or track with modern machinery? It ...just...doesn't...work.

I don't know even know why they try, actually. Going fast or even going well, it's not their stock in trade. It's not what they're about.

That's no excuse though for their entire line up of non Porsche designed street going cruisers to still be relics of the 1950s...

http://www.harley-davidson.com/CO/NEW/e ... cale=en_US

Find all the wins yourself. I'm not about to spoon feed your dumb ass all night.

[Dinsdale]

Van...we get it already. We got it the last 50 times.

And frankly, now that we've seen your pic, we get it even more clearly now. Your physical appearance is in perfect harmony with "I don't get it, and have no grasp on anything beyond 'function over form' ."


You don't iron your socks by any chance, do you?

[Dinsdale]

Talk to any multi line dealership's service manager. Ask him directly...

Wow. You really don't get it, do you?

Why would I ask anybody about anything in an industry that's imfamous for being as dishonest as they possibly can(tell me you knew?)

If they're so quality-conscious, why wouldn't they honor MY warranty?

You're preaching to the atheists here.


Go ahead with all of the "ask any ________" you want -- my firsthand experience says otherwise, and rest assured I will NEVER buy another Honda again(or at least not a new one or one under warranty). It had problems right out of the gate, and the dealer/manufacturer didn't stand behind their product, despite what their warranty said...and the service manager was a lying prick...just like everyone else associated with your shameless chosen-profession.

[Van]

I might even be able to get him to throw in one of these cool keychains...but don't hold your breath.

That's pretty much precisely how many a modern Harley gets sold, by throwing in all sorts of H-D emblazoned crap.

A good number of the people buying new Harleys are buying them in order to wear the gear moreso than any great desire to ride a motorcycle.

T1B here, as an actual rider like he is, shit, he's so far removed from the current average Harley buyer that it's not even funny, and if he doesn't admit it he's lying his ass off! LOL!!!

T1B, any manufacturer can boast glowing customer reviews and they all suffer through customer's horror stories. You're obviously one of the former, and congrats to you on that. Problem is, across the board, on average, H-D and especially Buell feature the latter far more than any other make.

You know it's true.

[Dinsdale]

Find all the wins yourself. I'm not about to spoon feed your dumb ass all night.

Why bother -- he'll put some of that wicked used-car-salesman spin on it, even though you just blew his whole argument out of the water.

[Dinsdale]

That's pretty much precisely how many a modern Harley gets sold, by throwing in all sorts of H-D emblazoned crap.

More lies, eh?


How long is the waiting list for new Hondas again?

[Van]

Find all the wins yourself. I'm not about to spoon feed your dumb ass all night.

You don't need to, for I already know where one may find Harley racing victories:

-Road racing, pre Japan, Inc and pre Italy, Inc

-Dirt track racing, which is typically Spec Class racing that's confined to just one brand...H-D.

-Drag racing, in specific classes wherein the bikes bear no relation to a street bike produced for sale to the public by H-D.

Harley does not race at the world level, anywhere. Harley does not race and actually compete at the national level against the full might of Japan, Inc anywhere except in certain classes of drag racing.

[Van]

That's pretty much precisely how many a modern Harley gets sold, by throwing in all sorts of H-D emblazoned crap.

More lies, eh?


How long is the waiting list for new Hondas again?

Dins, the era of waiting lists for new Harleys is long since over.

Try to stay awake in class.

[Dinsdale]

-Dirt track racing, which is typically Spec Class racing that's confined to just one brand...H-D.

It's called "flat-track racing," tard. And since the Japs claim that their dirt bikes are "cutting-edge" as well, why can't they compete with Harley? You know, with that "more power at every RPM" and all...

-Drag racing

So, if all of these other manufacturers make so much more HP per CC, then dominating drag racing should be a snap, right?

Harley does not race at the world level, anywhere. Harley does not race and actually compete at the national level against the full might of Japan, Inc anywhere except in certain classes of drag racing.

Because the Japs CAN'T COMPETE WITH HD in certain forms of racing.

Did you suffer a head injury to be this dumb, or are you just spinning bullshit to keep your sales game sharp on your day off?

[Van]

-Dirt track racing, which is typically Spec Class racing that's confined to just one brand...H-D.

It's called "flat-track racing," tard. And since the Japs claim that their dirt bikes are "cutting-edge" as well, why can't they compete with Harley? You know, with that "more power at every RPM" and all...

They can, and they did, back before it became a Spec Class designed to keep H-D competitive...or does the name Ricky Graham escape you?

-Drag racing

So, if all of these other manufacturers make so much more HP per CC, then dominating drag racing should be a snap, right?

Right. Which is why H-D doesn't compete in anything resembling a production based class. They have no motors or motorcycles that could ever begin to cope with a Hayabusa or a Ninja with Ricky Gadsen on board.

So, instead, they only compete in prototype classes where the bikes bear no resemblance to anything that rolls off of a production line.

This really ought to be simple shit for you to understand, Dins.

Harley does not race at the world level, anywhere. Harley does not race and actually compete at the national level against the full might of Japan, Inc anywhere except in certain classes of drag racing.

Because the Japs CAN'T COMPETE WITH HD in certain forms of racing.

Name one.

If HRC or even Ducati ever decided to take on any class of racing in which H-D competes they'd own that class within three months.

Flat track racing is H-D's last bastion of respectability, and that's only because nobody else bothers to race flat track. There's no reason to, since nobody's ever going to sell a CBR, Vulcan or Royal Star off of Chris Carr going left for forty minutes on a prototype 750 flat track bike that has no production bike equivalent for sale...

Did you suffer a head injury to be this dumb, or are you just spinning bullshit to keep your sales game sharp on your day off?

So, first it was liquid cooled Big Twins, which don't exist. Next it was the innovative dominance of Buell, which is nonexistant. Now you're trumpeting the untouchable racing dominance of Harley-Davidson.

H-D. The guys who simply cannot finish a race, the guys who haven't won a meanignful race in many of our lifetimes. The guys who don't race in AMA Superbike, World Superbike, MotoGP, Supercorss, Motocross, Trials, Supemotard, production racing or even club racing.

H-D, the guys who only race when it's against each other.

H-D, the guys whose idea of racing is to stick topless fat chicks on the backs of sloppy crusisers in a "race" to see which bike can go the slowest while Topless Tatted Up Heiffer attempts to mouth down mustard slathered hot dogs suspended above her head from a clothes line...

Gotcha. Either you're trolling or...nope, you're trolling. Nobody could be this stupid, otherwise.

[Trampis]

You spend 20k on a piece of crap (Harley)your bound to defend it till death.Same thing with a bad college education.

The japs build stuff to last and americans build stuff for image.

On a side note about upside down forks in the dirtbike arena,KTM had them back in 85,a full four years before any Jap bike.The thing is,the japs wanted to do it right,not just through some shit out there that wasnt better then conventional stuff.

[Ace]

Great posts, Van.

[smackaholic]

van,
Gotta call you on one thing. You claimed somewhere a few pages back that the v-rod was a push rod motor? I do believe you are mmimstaken. Do you really think porsche would associate themselves with such a thing?

[Van]

van,
Gotta call you on one thing. You claimed somewhere a few pages back that the v-rod was a push rod motor? I do believe you are mmimstaken. Do you really think porsche would associate themselves with such a thing?

You are correct.

Brain fart on my part, as I was picturing in my mind's eye the side of the Yamaha Warrior with those giant pushrod shafts even as I was talking about the V-Rod.

V-Rod: Liquid cooled, DOHV 1100cc...thoroughly modern, designed by Porsche.

They make between 104-111 rwhp, depending on the test, with most real world V-Rods making right around 105 rwhp and 71-73 lbs of torque.

They haven't been out that long so there really aren't any high mileage units out there just yet (70K miles is the most I've seen so far) but so far their reliability has been abysmal even if their durability should ultimately prove to be excellent for a Harley.

[smackaholic]

Sam, why do you and Van hate america?