AL Cy Young a/o Rookie of the Year

[Jack]

Who is your current pick in the AL?

Liriano or Papelbon?

Both have sick stats.

Liriano is 12-2 with a 1.93 ERA (League Leading), 125 K after 107 IP.

Papelbon has 29 Saves (League Leading), is 2-1 with a 0.53 ERA (Holy Sh*t!!) after 51 IP, He has 52 Ks.


A case can be made for either.... What's your call??

[Shoalzie]

Papelbon is very Gagne-esque in the way he got started. His ERA is very impressive but the most important stat for a closer is saves and save conversion percentage/efficiency...or blowing the least number of saves. 3 blown saves in 32 opportunities...strong percentage but most of the leaders in the saves in the AL in the 2-3 blown saves range. Look at Jenks, he's got only one blown save and this is his first full year in the majors...he's not rookie eligible though. If Papelbon finishes with 40-50 saves and doesn't blow more than a handful, that should keep him in the hunt. If I was to pick the top closer in the AL right now, I probably would take Papelbon but he's not blowing the field away. He's very efficient right now which is the most important thing about being a quality closer.

With Liriano, he's got 12 wins and he's only been a starter since May 19. He'd probably have 15 wins already had he been in the rotation from the beginning of the season. I think it's harder for a rookie to be a quality starter right away as opposed to being a closer simply because of the work load. We'll see how Liriano is into September and if he's still under 2.00 ERA and has only a handful of losses...I don't know how you don't pick him over Papelbon. The thing Liriano has over most starters is the fact he's only throw 107 innings right now when workhorses like Schilling and Halladay are at or around 150 innings so far. Liriano's stats...to compare him to another player...are very Pedro-esque. He's got the low 2.00 or under 2 ERA, a WHIP around or under 1.00, a very gaudy K/BB ratio.

It's fun debate to have right now but considering both of these guys are on teams in the middle of pennant races, I'd like to see how they continue to perform when the pressure is on them. I don't know if either guy will win both awards in the end at this point. Papelbon could put some distance between him and the other closers in terms of saves and ERA but with Liriano, he's probably going to be in a large group who will be in the 15-20 win range. I think if the Twins make the postseason after the way they started the season...they really didn't turn it on until he joined the rotation...he's got to get just as much attention as Papelbon in the end.

[indyfrisco]

If the same ratio of stats are there at season's end, the nod will go to the starter. While Papelbon is awesome, or has been, a closer will never get the nod over a starter that is equally impressive.

[WolverineSteve]

Verlander.

[Neely8]

Who is your current pick in the AL?

Liriano or Papelbon?

Both have sick stats.

Liriano is 12-2 with a 1.93 ERA (League Leading), 125 K after 107 IP.

Papelbon has 29 Saves (League Leading), is 2-1 with a 0.53 ERA (Holy Sh*t!!) after 51 IP, He has 52 Ks.


A case can be made for either.... What's your call??

The girl with the boobs in your avatar wins ROY!!!!!

[Shoalzie]

Verlander.

JV could win 17 or 18 games and still not win. As long as Liriano is hovering around 2.00 ERA, keeps up that torrid K/BB ratio and continues to win and Papelbon keeps converting saves and not allowing runs...Verlander might finish the year 19-6 (projected by ESPN) and finish third. In this rookie class, finishing third isn't that bad of an accomplishment. He goes about his business with a little less flare although he's able to throw 100 but has low strikeout numbers. I'd love to see him along with Bonderman step forward down the stretch if Rogers starts to tank. I'd put those two in the postseason three-man rotation at this point.

[Raydah James]

Who is your current pick in the AL?

Liriano or Papelbon?

Both have sick stats.

Liriano is 12-2 with a 1.93 ERA (League Leading), 125 K after 107 IP.

Papelbon has 29 Saves (League Leading), is 2-1 with a 0.53 ERA (Holy Sh*t!!) after 51 IP, He has 52 Ks.


A case can be made for either.... What's your call??

Neither.


By the end of the season, Dream Weaver will be the ROY.

The kid is absolutely dealing filth in every start thus far. Not only is he undefeated at 7-0, he posesses something none of these other canidates do: Simple domination over batters. Period.


If Weaver wasnt smacking the fuck out of everyone so thouroughly, i'd go with Liriano.

[WolverineSteve]

Verlander has started since day 1. He throws 100 mph in the 9th inning. I'd say that dominates.

[Raydah James]

He throws 100 mph in the 9th inning. I'd say that dominates.

If he has no placement with it, it doesnt dominate.


Weaver: 7-0, 1.15 ERA, 47 Innings pitched, 40 strikeouts


That is fucking domination, pure and simple.



These numbers, while very good, are not close to Weaver.:

Verlander: 12-4, 2.77 ERA (more than DOUBLE of Weaver's), 123.2 innnings pitched, 80 strikeouts





Feel free to shut the fuck up and eject, Tiger tard.

[WolverineSteve]

Arguably the ace of the best staff in baseball...solid credentials. We'll see where Weavers stats are when he's been up for more than a cup of coffee. Plus he is related to Jeff.

edit to add....What in Verlander's stats show that he has no placement?. Learn the game fuckstick.

[Raydah James]

We'll see where Weavers stats are when he's been up for more than a cup of coffee.

He has become the best pitcher on our staff since we brought him up this season.


His "Cup of coffee" includes getting us back into first place while smashing division rivals. Dumbfuck.


You obviously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Plus he is related to Jeff.

As if your blatant idiocy wasnt proven already, this statement alone flat out cements your tard status. Congrats.


Instead of opening up your cocksucker and wasting everyones time with your useless shit posts, you might want to actually witness the players being mentioned in this discussion first.


Just a thought.

[indyfrisco]

Uh, Weaver will end the season with probably 19 starts barring injury. Unless he's 18-1 or 19-0, he ain't winning shit.

7 games and 47 innings? He hasn't even seen an 8th inning.

[WolverineSteve]

Bringing the "tough NFL forum talk" huh? It doesn't impress me.

If you think a guy who's been up and down (that's from the bigs to the minors, junior) and not pitched the entire season will win the CY, you are fucking high. As for the ROY, it's a rich class. I think a guy who MADE THE TEAM, coming out of spring training will have a decided edge.

Don't go hiding when Weaver hits his wall. I'll be here in a couple months when all is said and done. Verlander and Papplebon and maybe Liriano will still be playing. If you don't think players on the best teams don't garner more votes because of it, you're a bigger idiot than anyone in here ever thought. Stick to the masquarade ball you call football, in that shithole stadium of yours.

[Raydah James]

edit to add....What in Verlander's stats show that he has no placement?

This:

He throws 100 mph in the 9th inning.

123.2 innnings pitched, 80 strikeouts

Lets take another flamethrower who actually had control of a 95-100mph fastball through the 9th.......Randy Johnson. His normal Strikeout numbers easily triple Verlanders.....why do you think that is-especially when both men throw the same mph of heat?


Light coming on yet, dipfuck?




Then again, does anyone expect Tiger Fucknozzle to know, let alone watch baseball yearly? Didnt think so. We understand steve......your team is actually decent and watchable after 15-20 years of sucktitude-which included going for the record of all time losses recently (buwahahahaha) so you want to suck thier dick and swallow thier greatness inccessantly.


Not acting like a clueless assbag is a good start, bitch.

[Raydah James]

Uh, Weaver will end the season with probably 19 starts barring injury. Unless he's 18-1 or 19-0,

18-1 with a under 2 ERA should sew it up for him nicely.

[WolverineSteve]

Yeah, Verlander sucks.

You are a fucking moron. Learn the game. Get the silver paint out of your eyes. He's a rookie. That is what the discussion was about. He was in double-A last year. His strikeoutes are improving. Over his last 8 starts (practically Weaver's entire resume) his K's are up and he gave up his first HR in 52 innings today. How many does Weaver have again?

Verlander's line today...

Innings 6.2
Hits 5
runs 1
K's 8
ERA 2.69

Yep he doesn't belong in the conversation.


Just because the Tigers have sucked doesn't mean I don't know baseball. Following your logic you would be a NFL moron. I've forgotten more baseball than you'll ever know.

Learn the game.

[WolverineSteve]

Uh, Weaver will end the season with probably 19 starts barring injury. Unless he's 18-1 or 19-0,

18-1 with a under 2 ERA should sew it up for him nicely.

And I'm the one homering

[Raydah James]

Uh, Weaver will end the season with probably 19 starts barring injury. Unless he's 18-1 or 19-0,

18-1 with a under 2 ERA should sew it up for him nicely.

And I'm the one homering

Big difference is, you're a fucking ballgargling cocksmoker, and Weaver hasnt shown any signs of letting up on his dominance.


That, and Tiger fan is a bunch of bandwagoning cunts who didnt know thier team existed even last season, let alone the previous 15 before that.


You are now excused, dipshit.

[indyfrisco]

Uh, Weaver will end the season with probably 19 starts barring injury. Unless he's 18-1 or 19-0,

18-1 with a under 2 ERA should sew it up for him nicely.

I'd have to agree. And the Angels will win 115 games too.

[Raydah James]

Uh, Weaver will end the season with probably 19 starts barring injury. Unless he's 18-1 or 19-0,

18-1 with a under 2 ERA should sew it up for him nicely.

I'd have to agree. And the Angels will win 115 games too.

[WolverineSteve]

18-1 with a under 2 ERA should sew it up for him nicely.

And I'm the one homering

Big difference is, you're a fucking ballgargling cocksmoker, and Weaver hasnt shown any signs of letting up on his dominance.


That, and Tiger fan is a bunch of bandwagoning cunts who didnt know thier team existed even last season, let alone the previous 15 before that.


You are now excused, dipshit.

Damn you're stupid. Bandwagon fans tend to follow all winning teams(see Anaheim Angels a couple years back), I know this may come as a surprise to you. See when teams have losing records 12 years in a row, attendance suffers (unless you reside in the North side of Chicago). When the team is winning at a historic clip, some old bitter baseball fans re-emerge. Now take your schmecky out of your rally monkey and pay attention.

This is not me however. I've never wavered in any of my allegiances. My attendance to sporting events of my teams speaks for itself.

Verlander is now 13-4 tied for the league lead in w's. If you get out your daddy's baseball encyclopedia I'll introduce you to some other impressive stats, such as WHIP, Opponents BAA, P/IP, K/BB. All of which will support Verlander's case against Weaver Come Lately.

When you learn what you're talking about come back and try to talk baseball with the adults. Run along now skippy. You've been worked.

[Dinsdale]

Amazing AL rookie class this year.

Unless things change dramatically, Liriano seems like automatic.

I'm not one to heap ROY praise on someone with an accomplished career in another country. If I was, I'd be giving mad ROY props to Jenji Jojima, as well. What a freaking badass he is.

[Raydah James]

I've never wavered in any of my allegiances.

I laughed. Hard.


What a tedious and boring twat you are, Steve. I'd love to continue scanning your worthless tripe and beating you the fuck down more, but i'd undoubtedly slip into a fucking coma before the day was done.



You've shown yourself to be a bottomfeeding tard who doesnt conribute anything but unreadable and unfunny horseshit to the board.


Hell, I think Dins is a frontrunning shitchute, but he makes me (and the board) laugh at least a few times a week.


On top of all this, you're fucking ignorant as hell about the sports you claim to "love" and "watch".


The reality is simply this:

You are Detroit fan, shut the fuck up and continue being the NFL, NBA, and MLB's lifelong bitch.

[WolverineSteve]

^^^Did any of that drivel support your position on the topic at hand?

Nope.

Typical reaction when one has been run by facts. Face it, your arguement was watered down at best.

I provide factual statistics showing what a boob you are.

You melt when things aren't going your way (Raiderfan, shocker?) and go into a barrage of third grade name-calling. Tres intelligent. Yep you're too much for me to handle.

Sorry for expecting a cement head to stay on topic.

You're an Oakland fan in football, must've bandwagoned the Angels when they were good that year. Stick to quiche CaliBoy.

[Raydah James]

Yep, tard checklist is in full swing here......


Tell a poster he is "melting" when said poster smacked the fuck out of you for being a douche...............check


Go to the "I provide factual statistics" card when, in fact, you threw one fucking word down with no explanation and had said poster who punked you throw down more info on your own player than you did............check


Call the poster who dickslapped him for being a bandwagon cunt whose sports teams have never rated a "bandwagoner".......check


Is stupid enough to believe the Raiderfan=Criminal mentality from sucking too much Jim Rome cock-even though he has never met or been near a Raider game himself, let alone Cali........check




Your posting stupidty is laughable..........to bad your pathetic fucking posts arent. Log out, and stay that way-you offer absolutely nothing to this board in the way of sports talk. Period.

[WolverineSteve]

^^Last word freak.


Yet another inane post having nothing to do with the thread topic.

Typical style over substance poster, sans style of course.

Go away you loser. You remind me of the kids I used to beat up at recess and talk shit cuz my shirt was stained with their blood.

[Jack]

Verlander and Weaver deserve to be thrown in the mix but Weaver has to get many more opportunities to get within sniffing distance of Liriano.

Verland 13-4 with a 2.69 ERA, 88 Ks in 130 IP is impressive but I'll take Liriano.

Weaver has only pitched 47 innings... not enough experience to compare. Yes, He is on an incredible pace but Liriano gets the nod

Who is your current pick in the AL?

Blah Blah, Blah..

The girl with the boobs in your avatar wins ROY!!!!!

She's no rookie, Neely. She's a Veteran!!

[JCT]

What are you fucking high or just cum drunk?


Weaver has 5 wins against KC (twice) , Tampa, Cleveland and Baltimore. The other 2 are against Seattle and Oakland.

6 wins against the 5 worst teams in the AL. 1 win against a team that is barely above .500.

Come back and suck his cock when he has 7 wins against teams that aren't a combined 70 games under .500

[Raydah James]

Yet another inane post having nothing to do with the thread topic.

Like the very post you put this sentence in?




Kick your own ass much, dumbfuck?

Go away you loser.

Translation: Please stop kicking the motherfuck out of me.

You remind me of the kids I used to beat up at recess and talk shit cuz my shirt was stained with their blood.

Buwahahahahahahahahaaaa!


Is there anything funnier than a Jurassic Park ass old caramel sweating fat fucking slit from Detoilet harking back to his asskicking glory days of elementary/jr high/high school?




You're pretty scary, dude. No, really.




Well, at least you got me to laugh-too bad it was at your own fucking expense.


Hey, in between sucking harder than a porn star, you might want to mix in actual numbers and facts relating to this topic......like everybody else in this fucking thread has done already.


You have offered absolutely dick to this thread save for shit smack and horrid rebuttals.


Eject or get with the program, pussy.






JCT-Who the fuck was your pick again you 70's pube stache sporting custard filled cunt?

[WolverineSteve]

Just as I figured...you can't read. I've supported my pick with statistical evidence. You've dragged this topic into your living room (the gutter). Keep your homo-erotic fantasies to yourself...stay on topic Jimmers. Just because the argument is slipping away from you doesn't mean you have to resort to your frighteningly well though out visuals of bodily fluids dripping from God knows where. You need help man.

My glory days aint over by a long shot. Any time you got the balls to leave fruit and nut land let me know. I'll buy you a beer or 12, or kick your ass...your call.

[Raydah James]

My glory days aint over by a long shot. Any time you got the balls to leave fruit and nut land let me know. I'll buy you a beer or 12, or kick your ass...your call.

Meltdown complete.



Thanks for playing, bitch.



Listen nutgoblin, if your fuckjuice lapping ass wants to meet dudes from the net, start here faggot: http://www.eharmony.com

[WolverineSteve]

Did I forget the smilie, sorry I'm using the quick reply box.

You're well skilled in the "quote breakdown sentence by sentance" approach of replying. Impressive. Now try supporting your lame arguement for Weaver.

You've been run.


Claim of Meltdown...check.

Damn you suck.

[Raydah James]

RACK whomever is running this shit troll-they are doing an outstanding job.......no way anyone is this fucking dumb in real life.

Now try supporting your lame arguement for Weaver.

Are you really this fucking stupid?







I gave my breakdown of Weaver in the beginning of this thread-Speak 'n' Spell out front should've told you.


See kids, Reading IS Fundamental.

[WolverineSteve]

I should have clarified for the west coasters...A convincing arguement..you know, one that refutes mine. Since you cannot...you've been run.

Good night.

[Raydah James]

I should have clarified for the west coasters...A convincing arguement..

You mean like this epic masterpiece of enlightenment as to who should be ROY?

Verlander.

Real heavy hitting shit there, idiot.

you know, one that refutes mine

No. Fucking. WAY.

*shakes head*

Good god, RACK the driver of this shit troll who currently has the keys........im laughing HARD over here.

see kids, Reading IS Fundamental

RACK

Since you cannot...you've been run.

........Still laughing over here.......

Good night.

Yes, goodnight Steve.

Come tommorrow, your alleged brain is going to be fucking pissed at you for hitting submit on this fine Wednesday.


Of course, this would entail your limited grey matter in that vast empty rental space of a head being able to wrap itself around the fact that you repeately and thoroughly kicked your own ass.

[WolverineSteve]

Yeah, Verlander sucks.

You are a fucking moron. Learn the game. Get the silver paint out of your eyes. He's a rookie. That is what the discussion was about. He was in double-A last year. His strikeoutes are improving. Over his last 8 starts (practically Weaver's entire resume) his K's are up and he gave up his first HR in 52 innings today. How many does Weaver have again?

Verlander's line today...

Innings 6.2
Hits 5
runs 1
K's 8
ERA 2.69

Yep he doesn't belong in the conversation.


Just because the Tigers have sucked doesn't mean I don't know baseball. Following your logic you would be a NFL moron. I've forgotten more baseball than you'll ever know.

Learn the game.

^^This post provided some statistical evidence


Later I offered to show you more stats...provided you knew what they were, in the interest of time and all. You responded with colorful depictions of homosexual acts, the like of which I can only hope to never be able to conjur up, as well a self-proclaimed victory (nobody but you bought it).

Let's sum it up...staying on topic.

Liriano is the leader by a nose thusfar.
Papplebon is impressive as he's done all he has under the microscope of the Boston media and fans.
Verlander is right there. He has been solid all year long.


Weaver has impressed, but not enough under his belt to warrant consideration in this unreal class of rookie pitchers.

All in good fun Jimmers :wink:

[Rack Fu]

Raider Jimmy also said that the Angels would win 120 games this year... so what the fuck does he know?

[rozy]

so what the fuck does he know?

That the AL ROY will be either Liriano or Papelbon. But that would never back him down from a good trolljob...

[Neely8]

Raider Jimmy also said that the Angels would win 120 games this year... so what the fuck does he know?

He is also a Raider fan so therefore his myopia knows no bounds.....

[Jack]

Arguably the ace of the best staff in baseball...solid credentials. We'll see where Weavers stats are when he's been up for more than a cup of coffee. Plus he is related to Jeff.

edit to add....What in Verlander's stats show that he has no placement?. Learn the game fuckstick.

Big Papi serves Jered Weaver a cup of Coffee and a DONUT!!

Ortiz drove in four runs, helping the Red Sox rally to spoil Angels rookie Jered Weaver's attempt to become the first pitcher in 25 years to win his first eight major league starts.

(another winning hit for Mr. Clutch!)