Is this policy working?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:11 pm

It's not so much the policy itself, it's the inconsistant application that's the problem.

After all, they let mvscal stay, didn't they?

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:17 pm

Tough to say....a large number of guys I know in active duty and vets (including my dad and my dad-in-law) have told me that it's impossible for people never in the military to understand the soldier "mindset" and how allowing active gays to serve messes with the "dynamic." Never having served, I don't know if what they're saying is accurate or if it's just a way of hanging on to prejudice...after all, very similar arguments were tried decades ago by those opposed to the desegregation of troops.

It would seem to me that discharging needed much-needed specialties based on sexual orientation is short-sighted.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:54 pm

mvscal wrote:
Should the Army be discharging soldiers like Sergeant Copas?
Yes.

Seconded.

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:57 pm

Martyred wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Should the Army be discharging soldiers like Sergeant Copas?
Yes.
Seconded.

Wow, are you telling me that you don't allow homosexuals in your latte-and-pamphlet brigade? None of your beret-and-turtleneck soldiers are light in the Birkenstocks? I'd have thought you'd be up to your ass in them.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:10 pm

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:
Wow, are you telling me that you don't allow homosexuals in your latte-and-pamphlet brigade?

I'm saying that anything that keeps eligible comgat aged fighting men out of the American military is a good thing.

Small victories.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:25 pm

Sergeant Copas, Bleu. He needed the money!

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:26 pm

Martyred wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:
Wow, are you telling me that you don't allow homosexuals in your latte-and-pamphlet brigade?
I'm saying that anything that keeps eligible comgat aged fighting men out of the American military is a good thing.

More for you, huh? You seem a little too excited by this whole thing....

Martyred wrote:Small victories.

Aim high, little buckaroo...someday they'll let you operate the milk steamer, and then you can boast of your great achievement to the rest of your pamphlet-hawking proletariat buddies down at Borders.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:32 pm

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:
More for you, huh? You seem a little too excited by this whole thing....

Wow. For someone that stepped into this thread on the side of reason, you sure went to the "fag card" quick.

That's desperate.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:52 pm

88 wrote:Why don't we just start an all gay division? That way the gays can be in uniform, and the straight people don't have to deal with them.

They can be the shock troops immediately following the saturation of the battlefield with Don Rumsfeld's new "gay bombs".

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:59 pm

Martyred wrote:
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:
More for you, huh? You seem a little too excited by this whole thing....

Wow. For someone that stepped into this thread on the side of reason, you sure went to the "fag card" quick.

That's desperate.

Look, you just seem a little jazzed over the prospect of gay American soldiers being cut loose....I'm just connecting the dots.

You seem a little defensive there, Sparky.

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:01 pm

mvscal wrote:If you want to be a fag in the military, that's fine, but be discreet. Drama queen faggots have no place in the military.

I just pictured George C. Scott as Patton delivering the above lines and laughed my ass off.... :D

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:10 pm

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:
Look, you just seem a little jazzed over the prospect of gay American soldiers being cut loose....I'm just connecting the dots.

You seem a little defensive there, Sparky.

Not my fault your military is overflowing with "knuckle crunchers".

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:14 pm

mvscal wrote:
Stop trying to equate blacks with faggots. It's disingenuous and stupid.

When did you turn into Al Sharpton?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:20 pm

88 wrote:Why don't we just start an all gay division? That way the gays can be in uniform, and the straight people don't have to deal with them.

Dammit, it's called The Vatican. Show some respect!

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:25 pm

What I don't understand is HOW it can be a distraction.

I mean, are the gay soldiers parading around like it's 1970's Fire Island or something? Are the gay soldiers turning showers into bathouses? Are they forcing themselves on the straight soldiers? If not, then how are they distracting the other soldiers?

Frankly, if a straight soldier is in combat or whatever, so obsessed on whether or not the dude in the same bunker is gay that it makes him lose his focus, it sure as hell doesn't say that much for US military training.

Cripes, does that mean that all the enemy has to do to "break" our troops is infiltrate with Freddy Mercury wannabe's?

See You Next Wednesday · Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:32 pm

88 wrote:Why don't we just start an all gay division? That way the gays can be in uniform, and the straight people don't have to deal with them.

Already been tried.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:38 pm

Some squad leader, pinned down and taking enemy sniper fire will be trying to interrogate a suspected "insurgent" as to the location of the sniper position.

He will turn to the interpreter, but that soldier wont be there....
...and then a bullet will split that squad leaders dome...sending a pulsing river of blood into the dry Iraqi dirt.

:D
Viva la Revolución.

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:48 pm

Minor revision:

Martyred wrote:Some squad leader, pinned down and taking enemy sniper fire will be trying to interrogate a suspected "insurgent" as to the location of the sniper position.

He will turn to the interpreter, but then he wonders..."hmmm, is this dude a frigging pole-smoker? My God, that's disgust -"
...and then a bullet will split that squad leaders dome...sending a pulsing river of blood into the dry Iraqi dirt.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:49 pm

end result is the same

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:53 pm

mvscal wrote:
Martyred wrote:Some squad leader, pinned down and taking enemy sniper fire will be trying to interrogate a suspected "insurgent" as to the location of the sniper position.

He will turn to the interpreter, but that soldier wont be there....
...and then a bullet will split that squad leaders dome...sending a pulsing river of blood into the dry Iraqi dirt.

:D
Viva la Revolución.
Is that how they do it on TV?

On a more serious note, the whole spraying blood bit is the biggest reason to kick Sgt. AIDS out on his ass.

Karl Malone! Is that you?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:56 pm

Hey look, it's BSmack.

I hope the ride in on Dr_Phibes' handlebars didn't bump your ass too badly.

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:04 pm

Martyred wrote:Hey look, it's BSmack.

I hope the ride in on Dr_Phibes' handlebars didn't bump your ass too badly.

OK...who had "9" in the "How Many Posts 'Til Marty Invokes the Name of His Buddy, Dr. Phibs" pool?

I'm not sure, but I think it was mvscal. Mvs, go to the front desk to collect your prize money....