This shit is so wrong....

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:35 am

More Extremist Shit

Just another story to make you realize what lucky people so many of us are....

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:08 am

However, the age of sexual consent for girls under Sharia law - within the confines of marriage - is nine,

Who in fuck all goes around looking for 9 year olds to marry?

What a fucked up religion that is.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:16 am

Sad. Just sad . . .

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:10 pm

Religion of peace my ass.

So she was arrested by the "moral" police and then was raped by one of the "Moral" guards. Irony.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:30 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:
However, the age of sexual consent for girls under Sharia law - within the confines of marriage - is nine,
Who in fuck all goes around looking for 9 year olds to marry?

What a fucked up religion that is.

Ya think?

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:14 pm

......and we have "women" in this country bitching, whining, and protesting about such crucial items as not being allowed to become members of a private golf club........ PERSPECTIVE

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:32 pm

Mustang wrote:......and we have "women" in this country bitching, whining, and protesting about such crucial items as not being allowed to become members of a private golf club........ PERSPECTIVE

So if someone else does something really fucked up, that makes it OK to do something not quite as fucked up but still wrong?

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:32 pm

BSmack wrote:
Mustang wrote:......and we have "women" in this country bitching, whining, and protesting about such crucial items as not being allowed to become members of a private golf club........ PERSPECTIVE
So if someone else does something really fucked up, that makes it OK to do something not quite as fucked up but still wrong?

PERSPECTIVE

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:43 pm

Uh.....no. My point (and it was pretty easy) was that we have it pretty soft here in America and it seems pretty trivial to whine about a harmless golf club with a bunch of curmudgeons (well, except Tiger) while real ugly things are going on in the world. Again, PERSPECTIVE.

And unless there's something I don't know about Augusta, what's wrong with a private club allowing only the members they want? I have about 8 friends from college and we've gotten together once a year for the past 20 years to play golf, cards, burp, fart, etc. I know our little poker group isn't a world class golf club but shouldn't we be able to invite the people we want or should be forced to include others we really don't want there? And does that make us evil? I'm very open to a good reason why women should be allowed to be members at Augusta but I've yet to hear one. Perhaps you can enlighten.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:05 pm

Y2K wrote:More Extremist Shit

Just another story to make you realize what lucky people so many of us are....

What is really amazing is this thread has been up all day and we haven't seen one Inky reset.

Your slipping people.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:27 pm

KC Scott wrote:What is really amazing is this thread has been up all day and we haven't seen one Inky reset.

Your slipping people.

If you still think inky resets are hilarious, YOU'RE the one who has slipped, and fallen.

This is just a shot in the dark here, but maybe, just MAYBE some of us get tired of reading the same jokes over, and over, and over, and over again?

But hey, have at it. Make a go of it. Or you could visit .net. Those clowns have monopolized predictability.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:36 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: This is just a shot in the dark here, but maybe, just MAYBE some of us get tired of reading the same jokes over, and over, and over, and over again?

Still Sucking at the teet of Mediocrity CR25?

Inky, Irie and Cindergash resets will always have a place for those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

And please.... We all still sit in anticipation of your first funnah.
But like Jess' Cherry (woah dude...... there's another redundent reset

)
I believe the wait for you and humor to cohabitate in the same post will be infinite.

You may now carry on

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:43 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
If you still think inky resets are hilarious, .

oh, but they are hilarious.

its just that after all these years, only a handfull of people are left who remember inkydave. 80% of this board has no fucking idea who he was

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:53 pm

Chalk me up as one of the 20% who's "in the know", and still finds the joke to be stale.

Believe me, guys. There's a reason this thread saw so many views without a single Inky reset. And it wasn't because we're "slipping". Trust me on this. It's just faaaaaaaaar too easy of a joke to even put any effort into.

oh, but they are hilarious.

Dude, you're pretty much the King of Internet Drama, so no real surprises here.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:57 am

Mustang wrote:Uh.....no. My point (and it was pretty easy) was that we have it pretty soft here in America and it seems pretty trivial to whine about a harmless golf club with a bunch of curmudgeons (well, except Tiger) while real ugly things are going on in the world. Again, PERSPECTIVE.

For starters, Tiger is not a member of Augusta. At least he is not yet. He'll probably get a bid sometime after the waning of his competitive career. As of now, the only PGA professionals who are also Augusta members are Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer.

The green jacket given to the champions is strictly honorary.

Ask Tom Watson the reaction he got when he tried to bring a guest after he had become a "member". He found out very promptly that he wasn't anything close to being a member of Augusta National.

And unless there's something I don't know about Augusta, what's wrong with a private club allowing only the members they want?

The problem stems from the fact that they are not just playing golf. They are also doing business that affects every man, woman and child on this planet. Not allowing 50% of the population to participate in that business is effectively restraint of trade.

Now, if the members of Augusta were to adhere to a strict, enforceable and verifiable policy of absolutely no business of any kind (like bringing clients to the club) being conducted on club premises...

Yea right.

I have about 8 friends from college and we've gotten together once a year for the past 20 years to play golf, cards, burp, fart, etc. I know our little poker group isn't a world class golf club but shouldn't we be able to invite the people we want or should be forced to include others we really don't want there? And does that make us evil? I'm very open to a good reason why women should be allowed to be members at Augusta but I've yet to hear one. Perhaps you can enlighten.

When your little group controls something like 1/4 the US GDP, then you'll be able to compare yourself to Augusta. When your group hosts a tournament that grosses in the mid 8 figures each and every year (a conservative estimate) and is the motherfucking HOLY GRAIL of sporting tickets in the United States then you can make a comparison.

You see, this argument is not about whether there is a legal basis to restrict membership at Augusta. Obviously, there is no legal reason why they cannot restrict their membership. No, this is about whether or not their policies are of any particular importance in the grand scheme of things. And I would submit to you that access to the men who control companies like Coca-Cola, Citigroup. Motorola , JP Morgan Chase, Microsoft, Berkshire Hathaway, Coors, IBM and GE (just to name a few) is a big fucking deal for somebody who is looking to make business deals involving those companies.

My only problem with what Burke is trying to do is that she is going about it in a very bad way. She’s in no position to cow men who quite literally own the world. And in going out of her way to embarrass Hootie Johnson, she likely set back her own cause by a solid 20 years.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:28 am

BSmack wrote:is a big fucking deal

Nah, not really. These giant corporate types who "control the world", as you pointed out, will continue to do so with or without the existence of women into their little wine sipping and cigar smoking club. Besides, this was never all that big of an issue until Martha Burke decided one day to harness up her strap-on and set Hootie in her sights. If certain people really want to entertain these guys with "business deals", they can do so through the normal avenues within the companies that they run, which certainly don't ignore "50% of the population".

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:18 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:The problem stems from the fact that they are not just playing golf. They are also doing business that affects every man, woman and child on this planet. Not allowing 50% of the population to participate in that business is effectively restraint of trade.
Nice try,

It's better than nice, it's the fucking truth. They are impeding the ability of women who would, were it not for this arbitrary restriction, otherwise be able to enjoy the perks of membership at one of the most exclusive clubs on the planet. And one of those perks is the ability to network with the richest and most powerful people on the planet earth. Sorry to inform you of this, but this is not something you can do at your local muni.

Like I said before, we can debate the LEGALITY of their position. But we certainly cannot debate the relative importance of their position to those who are affected.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:27 pm

BSmack wrote: They are impeding the ability of women who would, were it not for this arbitrary restriction, otherwise be able to enjoy the perks of membership at one of the most exclusive clubs on the planet.

who cares.......

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:32 pm

Felix wrote:
BSmack wrote: They are impeding the ability of women who would, were it not for this arbitrary restriction, otherwise be able to enjoy the perks of membership at one of the most exclusive clubs on the planet.
who cares.......

Apparently a few posters in this thread. Maybe you noticed that I didn't start this particular subthread?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:46 pm

so you think that membership at Augusta automatically gains them entry into the "exclusive" club?

old prejudice dies hard.......

Augusta isn't just a golf club bud, it's a way of life.......

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:02 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:It's better than nice, it's the fucking truth. They are impeding the ability of women who would, were it not for this arbitrary restriction, otherwise be able to enjoy the perks of membership at one of the most exclusive clubs on the planet. And one of those perks is the ability to network with the richest and most powerful people on the planet earth. Sorry to inform you of this, but this is not something you can do at your local muni.

Like I said before, we can debate the LEGALITY of their position. But we certainly cannot debate the relative importance of their position to those who are affected.
Actually it is a load of fucking bullshit. You can't prove a single word of any of it.

WTF are you talking about?

Ah, to hell with it. I'll just assume that you are, yet again, spewing shit out your ass just for the sake of killing time.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:04 pm

Felix wrote:so you think that membership at Augusta automatically gains them entry into the "exclusive" club?

old prejudice dies hard.......

Augusta isn't just a golf club bud, it's a way of life.......

I see you now seem to care.

You tell me. You think the ability to call in a few favored clients for a round at Augusta would....

A: Hurt your business.

B: Help it in ways you couldn't possibly fucking imagine.

Think it over.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:05 pm

mvscal wrote:When have you ever been behind closed doors at Augusta?

And you have?

Come on, if you want to question my credentials, you better drop some of your own.

Or feel free to STFU.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:27 pm

BSmack wrote:
I see you now seem to care.

the "who cares" comment was regarding women being admitted to Augusta....not the discussion itself......

You tell me. You think the ability to call in a few favored clients for a round at Augusta would....

A: Hurt your business.

B: Help it in ways you couldn't possibly fucking imagine.

Think it over.

Hurt your business-no
Help it in ways I can't imagine-no

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:37 pm

B,

This is VERY simple stuff here.

So here goes:

Provide the evidence to back up your claims, or shut the fuck up.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:44 pm

mvscal wrote:Name one major business deal that was brokered at Augusta which excluded a female player.

All of them.

Got it?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:46 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:B,

This is VERY simple stuff here.

So here goes:

Provide the evidence to back up your claims, or shut the fuck up.

The evidence is right in front of your face.

A: Augusta does not alow female members

B: Business deals have been done at Augusta involving incredibly large sums of money.

C: Put A and B together.

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:50 pm

mvscal wrote:Link?

"You rang, muthafucker?"

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:57 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:B: Business deals have been done at Augusta involving incredibly large sums of money.

Link?

How about we start with the sponsorship deals for the Masters Tournament?

Name ONE sponsor that is not represented by a member at Augusta National. Just ONE.

I won't hold my fucking breath. Because I know you can't.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:07 pm

mvscal wrote:Tournament sponsorship has nothing to do with harming women or the kind of deals you were talking about.

Moving the goalposts eh? You wanted to know what kind of business was being done. I gave you one example. What do you think the commission bonus is on the volume of Coca Cola sold at Augusta during Masters Week?

Do you think a woman is in a position to make that deal?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:24 pm

Heaven forbid the Hootie and the Blowhards should be able to do whatever they wish with their private property, assuming they're not physically harming anyone or damaging the environment.

I guess I'm kinda libertarian like that.

Hell, if I was King Of The World, women wouldn't be allowed to golf at all. It's just not right.

Well, I'm not THAT much of a hardass. But, the lexicon would change, and what we now call an "executive course" would now be known as a "women's course." Naturally, women playing on these courses would have to drop what they were doing, and get any man who asked a beer, without hesitation or backtalk. If she wasn't back in a reasonable amount of time, she would then either have to finish her rounds naked, or immediately leave the course.

What a wonderful world it would be

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:26 pm

Dinsdale wrote: Hell, if I was King Of The World, women wouldn't be allowed to golf

ditto.........bitches slow the process down.....

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:27 pm

mvscal wrote:Coca Cola doesn't employ women?

Nice strawman.

Oh why don't you go ahead and lay out the terms of this deal? Oh yeah...that's right. You have no fucking clue how sponsorship deals work.

What do the exact terms of this deal have to do with the discussion at hand? Coca Cola has been represented at Augusta since Cliff Roberts was making sure the "golfers were white and the caddies were black". Not a one of those members has been female. Ego, it is a matter of simple logic that the direct benefits of Coca Cola's exclusive deal with Augusta accrue to those member who made that deal. All of whom just happen to be men.

So...the "most powerful people on the planet" assemble "to make deals" and the best you can come up with some nebulous commission on the sale of Coke?

That was but one example. If you don't belive me, maybe someone in a better position to make big time deals might pursuade you?

One of Dunlap's former chamber board chairs, Dick Valentine, knows the difference between wining, dining and duffing. The CEO of Gainesville's branch of United Community Bank, Inc., Valentine plays with his regular crowd at Chestatee Golf Club, a beautiful semiprivate course in a Dawson County residential community. But if he's courting big-time business, he's on the phone with Hawks Ridge Golf Club or Peachtree Golf Club, two private mega-courses in the Atlanta area, ranked among the best in the country.

"I've closed some deals on the golf course, and it always helps if you have connections to places like Peachtree or Hawks Ridge," says Valentine, who plays to a 6 handicap. "If I had a choice, I like to play somewhere close, in which case The Legends is an excellent golf course, something a client or a buddy would really appreciate."

http://www.georgiatrend.com/site/page7856.html

Tournament sponsorships have nothing to do with the deals that you were talking about earlier.

They are but one part of the greater picture.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:30 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Hell, if I was King Of The World, women wouldn't be allowed to golf at all. It's just not right.

I'm OK with them golfing. I'm not OK with women taking 3 hours to play 9 holes.

Not for nothing, but I acknowledged straight away that Augusta has every legal right to make their own membership policies. I simply think it is delusional to think that, for the women affected, this is not a big deal.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:36 pm

I guess I didn't realize the epicenter of the nation's business was Augusta, GA. I would've thought New York, Chicago, L.A., Houston, etc. And in those cities, I would've though there might be some very high level business meetings take place, even some with women that aren't there just to pour coffee. Seriously, there are tons of women in extremely high posts in corporations, making big decisions, with plenty of men working for them. Just because they're not allowed to be members of a golf club doesn't exclude them from the business world. And as I'm sure you know, they are allowed to play there, just not to become members.

Here's another one for you. The Los Angeles Country Club is another exclusive, old golf club in the very high toned section of the city. I've actually played there. It's nice. Anyhow, I'm sure they have women members but not positive. One thing I do know is that they do not allow anyone in the entertainment industry to become a member. I know that Hugh Hefner and Aaron Spelling tried to become members but were rejected. I don't know if this is related or not but just was curious to see where you came down on this.

The Whistle Is Screaming · Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:02 pm

I just skimmed the Augusta related posts, so if this has been brought up or not valid... sorry ( and fuck you :D ).

Yes, Augusta is a private Club and has no women members. B, one point that appears to be missing is that Augusta does not restrict play to women who are guests. Any woman (who is high enough on the corporate ladder) can be invited to play at Augusta and conduct business. It's a matter of who you know and what you can bring to the table at that level.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:03 pm

Mustang wrote:I guess I didn't realize the epicenter of the nation's business was Augusta, GA.

I never said it was.

I would've thought New York, Chicago, L.A., Houston, etc. And in those cities, I would've though there might be some very high level business meetings take place, even some with women that aren't there just to pour coffee. Seriously, there are tons of women in extremely high posts in corporations, making big decisions, with plenty of men working for them. Just because they're not allowed to be members of a golf club doesn't exclude them from the business world.

Yes, there are many more "open" country clubs these days than there were 20 years ago. The disaster that was Shoal Creek (I'll pause to allow mvscal to Google Shoal Creek) forced many private clubs into the 20th century.

That being said, it is also inmaterial to what we are talking about. You were talking about this being a matter of PERSPECTIVE. Remember?

From the PERSPECTIVE of a woman looking to advance to the highest levels of corporate America, exclusionary policies at clubs like Augusta, Butler National, Pine Valley, Lochinvar etc. present a significant barrier towards full inclusion in the highest levels of business and politics.

And as I'm sure you know, they are allowed to play there, just not to become members.

Members are allowed to bring guests. Guests HAVE to be invited by a member who is currently on the premises of Augusta National. If you are a guest at Augusta and you arrive before the member who invited you, you wait at the gate. No exceptions.

In other words, there's a big difference.

Here's another one for you. The Los Angeles Country Club is another exclusive, old golf club in the very high toned section of the city. I've actually played there. It's nice. Anyhow, I'm sure they have women members but not positive. One thing I do know is that they do not allow anyone in the entertainment industry to become a member. I know that Hugh Hefner and Aaron Spelling tried to become members but were rejected. I don't know if this is related or not but just was curious to see where you came down on this.

George C. Scott was a member of LA Country Club. But he had to promise that he would never act again as a condition of membership.

It's an odd condition of membership. One that is legaly permissable. One can only speculate as to why the members every agreed to such a stipulation. Maybe because they like seeing high profile celebrities grovel for guest invites?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:05 pm

mvscal wrote:But if you insist, go ahead and tell us all about these "direct benefits that accure to that member who made the deal".

Money you fucking cockpocket.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:16 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:From the PERSPECTIVE of a woman looking to advance to the highest levels of corporate America, exclusionary policies at clubs like Augusta, Butler National, Pine Valley, Lochinvar etc. present a significant barrier towards full inclusion in the highest levels of business and politics.
I had no idea that Augusta was the only place you can close a deal. Simply amazing.

Amazing is your inability to discern the difference between "significant barrier" and "impenetrable barrier".

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:21 pm

BSmack wrote:From the PERSPECTIVE of a woman looking to advance to the highest levels of corporate America, exclusionary policies at clubs like Augusta, Butler National, Pine Valley, Lochinvar etc. present a significant barrier towards full inclusion in the highest levels of business and politics.

This is a gigantic flaw in your argument, in that you have failed to provide evidence of what you speak. Please provide a link that will show a SPECIFIC business proposal that failed, as a result of the Augusta policies. Please name names, company names, etc.

Also, who the fuck are YOU to speak FOR these women? You have no idea how important this issue is or isn't to the average business woman. You're basing all of your arguments solely upon your own personal assumptions.

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