Yeah, I know "it beats the alternative"...

[Terry in Crapchester]

What makes me sad, is that there's so many idiots out there who put their happiness up for sale.

I love outdoorsy shit. I live in a world capital of outdoorsy shit. I could probably move, and put away more money in an IRA...at the expense of being able to do the outdoorsy shit I love.

Your values, principles, and desires were for sale. Mine aren't, nor will they ever be.

I'll stay put right here, thank you very much, and continue living my Utopian existance. But hey, think about all of the money you save on child care by living in a snow-covered shithole.

You'll notice that I said "for starters." There's this little thing called reading between the lines that involves picking up subtle cues in the text. The phrase "for starters" implies that there's more involved than I posted. And if you were to assume that, you'd be correct. I posted that qualifying phrase in part because I'd invariably forget something if I tried to list everything, and in part because there are some things I don't want to post about because they're personal and they'd give some fodder to the tards.

[Van]

Refresh my memory, but doesn't Dins live in...Oregon??

I mean, yeah, I could see it if he lived in Newport Beach or Torrey Pines or Carmel or South Beach. You know, somewhere that's truly desirable.

Oregon's okay and all, and there are certainly much worse places to live, but dude talks like he lives in Monaco or some shit...

:idea:

I know what it is!

Dins is going Damone on us, selling himself by putting his arm around us like we're a fullsized cardboard cut out of Blondie...

"Wherever we are... that's the place to be!!"

[UcantPwns]

almost 50 straight-line miles from the ocean doesn't get washed away.

Thanks for clearing that up... as we all know, when the ocean does travel, it usually takes stays on the "main drags" and would normally cover 54 miles of "actual distance" to reach your shack.

[socal]

When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

[UcantPwns]

When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

This is nitpicking I know, but why did they cut to Kashmir right after this line was uttered? Totally different album.

[Van]

"I can fix it! My dad's got an awesome set of tools! He's a tv repairman!"

(Yeah, I know, that wasn't Damone's line, but one of our mechanics here thinks it's the funniest quote ever...)

[atomicdad]

Torrey Pines?

That is a State Park and the name attached to the adjacent city owned muni-track. Nobody lives there, unless you are living out your last days in the cancer hospital at the south end of the course.

[Van]

atomicdad, I stand corrected then...

Somewhere down there...Rancho something or other....where the purple Nike freaks lived...

[socal]

"Hey, bud, what's your problem?"

[Van]

"If you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make this our time?"

[Mike the Lab Rat]

I'm in as good of shape now as I was 20 years ago...and I look even better.


It truly does suck to be you guys.

Actually, overall, I'm in better shape than I was in college, largely because I don't beat the shit out of my body like I did back in those halcyon days. As you've (I think it was you..I dunno, my mind is going...)pointed out, if you don't crap on your body excessively, you do OK. I sure as hell eat better than I used to and obviously don't drink as much as I used to (I assume heavy alcohol consumption and good parenting are mutually exclusive...).

And both my wife and I have been blessed with damned fine DNA that makes us look considerably younger than we are. Absolutely no one pegs me at 40 or above. In fact, one of the reasons I grew a beard was to MAKE myself look older to help students take me more seriously.

And at least I don't need bifocals.

[Tom In VA]

"If you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make this our time?"

RACK, one of my all time favs.

[Terry in Crapchester]

When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

This is nitpicking I know, but why did they cut to Kashmir right after this line was uttered? Totally different album.

I always had a question about that, so one day I looked it up. Apparently, Cameron Crowe tried to get approval to use a song from Led Zeppelin IV, but could not, so he used Kashmir instead.

[socal]

"Can you honestly tell me you forgot? Forgot the magnetism of Robin Zander, or the charisma of Rick Nielsen?"

[atomicdad]

Rancho something or other, yea thats about right. Those latte sipping pompous fucks living on multi-million dollar estates out east only wish they could walk to the beach like me. (back on track of the thread) To do my 5-7 mile jog on the sand without any of the aches and pains that seem to be suffered by the other old freaks here :D , (I will be hitting the 40 mark in a few months).

Although I did have a herniated disk a few years ago, L4-L5 or something like that, down low. That pretty much sucked. Dropped some excess baggage and all is good now.

[Van]

Rancho Sante Fe, come to think of it...

Pretty much anywhere on the beach from southern Orange County down to the Mexican border...

Also, there's Malibu, Big Sur, Pacific Palisades...Santa fucking Barbara...Carpinteria...

Lotta places that make most anywhere in Oregon seem like Barstow, is the point.

[socal]

Rancho something or other...

Poway! Otai Mesa! Pick up the freaking phone!

Fallbrook! ('sup Mikey) Do I have to dial the phone for you?

I want to hear from a Charger fan! Rancho San Bernardo! Shout out!
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[Luther]

Van, I'm not going to prop our state like Dins does...simply because I really don't want to add any more fodder for the influx of out of state license plates showing up around here.

As far as I'm concerned, we suck. The coastal waters off Oregon will turn your balls into bb's...the halibut/salmon/dungeness crab/oysters really are not the bomb. I don't ski and I don't relish in the fact that I could zoom down a mountain in snow and then a couple of hours later be trying to garner a smile when my balls evaporated.

We are plumb full of people up here. We have no pro football, no pro hockey (real hockey that is), and no MLB. All we got is the dead last Trailblazers. No need to look, just keep on going.

People talk about the quality of life around here, but forget that shit. Most of them are from trailer lifestyles that still buy all our surplus corrugated roof products.

The only reason I'm still here is because I'm old. It would take me a good three days to load up the Rambler, but then I'd need a couple more days rest before I tried the journey.

I know, I know...earthquake this, fault line that, high property rates there, no water anywhere. Chill dude...don't Oregonicate California for cirssakes.

Rip City

[BSmack]

When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

This is nitpicking I know, but why did they cut to Kashmir right after this line was uttered? Totally different album.

I always had a question about that, so one day I looked it up. Apparently, Cameron Crowe tried to get approval to use a song from Led Zeppelin IV, but could not, so he used Kashmir instead.

The only difference is that Kashmir is on Physical Graffiti, which was released on the Swan Song label. Whereas LZ IV was released on the Atlantic imprint.

Maybe Zep got a better residual deal off the Swan Song releases?

[Mike the Lab Rat]

I much prefer "Houses of the Holy." My all-time favorite summer album.

[Van]

Luth, I love Oregon, make no mistake. I was impressed as hell with it when I rode all over it on the way up to and returning from Canada.

I'd gladly live in many places in Oregon.

No way in hell though anywhere in Oregon is the be all end all Damonesdale portrays it to be, not compared to so many other places.

I live in Sac, which is also in close proximity to all sorts of cool places. Thing is, those cool places are cool. They're the places to be, not Sac. Sac's okay too but it sure as fuck isn't Lake Tahoe or Frisco, even if in some ways it could be argued we have a higher overall quality of life here.

I say, bullshit. Those cooler places are better, period. I'll put up with their downsides, if need be.

One shitty anecdote about Oregon, besides being hassled over wanting to pump your own gas...

In my entire riding career of well over 200K miles I've only had one jackass intentionally attempt to use his car to hit me. It was in Newport, Oregon, where some bitter idiot in an old beater car decided to try and block my progress through a traffic jam. I had my wife on the back of the bike and traffic was stopped so I was threading my way through when he looked at me, smiled and then slammed his car sideways, forcing me into the side of a trailered boat in the adjacent lane.

We made it through okay, and I kicked his side mirror out, but he's lucky it was me and not plenty of other people I know who would've literally killed him on the spot for pulling shit like that on a motorcyclist with his wife riding pillion...

[indyfrisco]

I hear ya.

Two years ago, I was playing softball 3 nights a week and indoor soccer 2 nights a week. I did this for about 5 years straight and felt 110% all the time.

I turned 30 this year and now only play softball 1 night a week and golf 1-2 times a week. After every softball game, I'm sore as can be for 2 days.

I just don't want to know how bad it will be 10 years from now...

I'm turning 40 this month. Still walking 9 holes a day 4 times a week, hitting the gym 3 times a week and the treadmill 3-4 times a week when golf is out of season. So far only minor aches and pains. And those tend to come after sitting or standing in one place for too long. Actual activity has always helped me ease the pain, not hurt me. Have you considered stretching on a daily basis? Maybe doing some light gym work the day after playing softball?

Oh I think stretching daily will make all the world of difference. That's why I said before I might want to start taking yoga. I do light workouts twice a week on my Bowflex. I would like to do more.

[Terry in Crapchester]

This is nitpicking I know, but why did they cut to Kashmir right after this line was uttered? Totally different album.

I always had a question about that, so one day I looked it up. Apparently, Cameron Crowe tried to get approval to use a song from Led Zeppelin IV, but could not, so he used Kashmir instead.

The only difference is that Kashmir is on Physical Graffiti, which was released on the Swan Song label. Whereas LZ IV was released on the Atlantic imprint.

Maybe Zep got a better residual deal off the Swan Song releases?

For some reason, Led Zeppelin authorized the licensing rights to Kashmir, but not to any song on Led Zeppelin IV. http://www.fast-rewind.com/ridgemonthigh.htm

I don't know why.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I live in Sac, which is also in close proximity to all sorts of cool places. Thing is, those cool places are cool. They're the places to be, not Sac. Sac's okay too but it sure as fuck isn't Lake Tahoe or Frisco, even if in some ways it could be argued we have a higher overall quality of life here.

I say, bullshit. Those cooler places are better, period. I'll put up with their downsides, if need be.

Same here. I'm only slightly more than 1/2 hour away from Rochester, less than an hour from Buffalo. Niagara Falls, one of the seven natural wonders of the world, isn't far away. Even Toronto is an easy day trip. And Toronto is a blast -- all of the amenities of any major U.S. city, without many of the drawbacks like crime and pollution (or, more correctly, thos drawbacks are significantly reduced in Toronto compared to most U.S. cities).

No way in hell though anywhere in Oregon is the be all end all Damonesdale portrays it to be, not compared to so many other places.

Probably true. In any event, I've done enough traveling, both within the U.S. and outside, to know that just about any place in the U.S. is a pretty good place to live relative to at least 90% of the rest of the world. Dinsdale's constant resorting to trashing other places in the U.S. might belie a lack of understanding of that fact, or perhaps he's just being the Dinsdale we all know and love.

[Luther]

had my wife on the back of the bike and traffic was stopped so I was threading my way through...

Ah Van, this is the problem. We don't do threading here, threading is like cutting in line and then flipping the bird to everyone behind you. We don't throw shit out of our windows here either. I've seen people yarded out of their Lexus' with out of state plates on more than one occasion. Seriously. Do either of those with an out of state plate and by God, something will happen.

Honking here can get your ass beat too. Make a lane change and don't signal? Could get you peering into your rear view mirror wondering if the guy flipping you off for the last 138 miles is going to take an exit or not.

I once watched a BMW ripping up the 5 a few years ago, easily around 90. I can't remember if it was Calif. or Arizona plates, but a few minutes down the road I saw this traffic jam. A OSP car was weaving down the emergency lane with his lights and siren on to see what the problem was. I get out of my car and look up ahead as we were all ground to a halt. Basically I heard that a few locals got pissed off with the speed and zoomed up and roadblocked his ass to a halt. Well, it also blocked a few thousand of us behind too. I just walked off the freeway and took a piss by the big motel sign.

You don't do threading here, Van.

Rip City

[indyfrisco]

Van,

Just curious...why is it motorcyclists feel they have the right to weave in and out of traffic the way they do in addition to the example you give above. Living in Dallas for 5 years where traffic was a daily occurrence, I always saw motorcyclists drive between cars that were parked in a traffic jam.

Saying "because we can" as a reason is as good a reason as the guy who pulled in front of you "because he could." I could easily drive on the shoulder in a traffic jam "because I can", but I don't.

[OCmike]

Rancho Santa Margerita? Nice place w/ lotsa blue hairs.

[atomicdad]

Just somethng I heard some time back, somebody who knows something about bikes or cops can freely correct me. So what I have heard is that since the vast majority of bikes are air-cooled machines, sitting in typical mid/big city work hour communtes would cause them to overheat and cause more of a fucked up problem on the highways. So the cops let them slide on the threading so they can keep moving, because they can. But again I don't ride bikes except for the occasional trip to the desert with friends who let me try to kill myself on whatever spare dirtbike or ATV is available then laugh at me later.

[Van]

Van,

Just curious...why is it motorcyclists feel they have the right to weave in and out of traffic the way they do in addition to the example you give above. Living in Dallas for 5 years where traffic was a daily occurrence, I always saw motorcyclists drive between cars that were parked in a traffic jam.

Saying "because we can" as a reason is as good a reason as the guy who pulled in front of you "because he could." I could easily drive on the shoulder in a traffic jam "because I can", but I don't.

Bullshit.

The guy didn't attempt to pull in front of me. He had nowhere to go. The adjacent lane was occupied. He was attempting to smash us into the vehicle in the adjacent lane. Using a 3000 lb vehicle to attempt to hit a motorcyclist is attempted vehicular manslaughter.

Also, lane splitting is legal in California. Maybe it's not in Oregon or Texas but traffic was at a complete stand still and we weren't weaving in out of traffic or disrupting it in any way. We were merely inching our way forward. If anything, by getting out of their way we're one less vehicle in line so we're actually doing them a favor.

[indyfrisco]

If it's legal, so be it. I rode a bike a lot in college and never did that for the simple reason you just described. I just waited in line like everyone else.

[Luther]

What would Dinsdale do?

Picture Dins sitting in an un-airconditioned '78 B210, stuck in traffic just outside of Seaside on HWY 101. A horn blaring Audi with Canadian plates is zooming up the emergency lane.

Sweat is dripping from his hairline directly perpendicular with his ears, the AM radio is cutting in and out, and the bologna sandwich is spoiled. He eyes the gas gauge and now can see that he is officially way below the empty mark. His JC Penney shorts are now chaffing him and he quietly wishes his mom was around to powder him. And then he spots something in his mirror...

Van and his lady are "threading" their way up through the line. We all know Dins doesn't like tourists and such. He doesn't like people threading in his state. He doesn't like Canadians or Californians. So, what does he do?

1. Opens the drivers door to his $400 car at the right time?
2. Donkey punches the first helmet to weave past the door jamb?
3. Slides a 9 iron out past the wing vent window?
4. All of the above?

Kind of a no-brainer ain't it?

Rip City

[Van]

I suppose, but the next no brainer might very well be...

5.Sees his life come to a long overdue end because he happened to Dins the wrong guy.

People in cars should celebrate every time a motorcyclist splits lanes and zooms on ahead. These people in cars are stuck in traffic. Anything that reduces traffic and thus their waiting time should be welcomed by them. Bikes that voluntarily reduce their waiting time are a lot more of a benefit to them then bikes trolling along in single file like a car, adding to traffic just like a car...

Also, Luth, if memory serves Dins is a former motorcyclist himself. Among his many personal liabilities I'm pretty sure what you described isn't one of them. Rather than being a moron to a fellow motorcyclist Dins would likely as not just check out the bike and the chick on the back...

[Dinsdale]

Why yes...I have logged well into the six-digits on a motorcycle.

But unlike Van, I respect our laws. I don't "thread." It's illegal and impolite.

And if I saw a guy with a cali plate doing it, you can bet your fucking ass I'd cut him off.

But...but...that's vehicular manslaughter.

There Van goes with the legal terms he isn't familiar with again...it's only "manslaughter" if I time that door just right.

And wow...you reallyreallyreally have the wrong impression of me, Vannie -- that "wrong guy" you mention...he's the one who just fucking opened his door in your path. Trust me on this one, brother...there is NO more "wrong guy" to piss of by being an asshole than me...no one. I am truly a champion for the "little guy."

And you know what else? When I get out of my car with its Oregon license plates and pound your pansy little ass into the gravel, which one of us do you suppose the witnesses are going to side with? What, exactly, do you think the cops are going to do when I tell them you cut off that little old lady ahead, and then threatened me?

You really are ignorant -- hate to break it to you, but it's perfectly legal to beat a californian's ass for traffic infractions...long running joke around here....seen it happen with my own two eyes, matter of fact.


But, does this give you a little clue as to why people in Oregon, Washington, and other Western states hate californians? It should. You come here, and immediately attempt to show everyone how we're doing it wrong (does the term "local customs" mean anything to you), and based simply on the fact you're from california, you've got it alllll figured out, as opposed to our turnip-truck asses?

It's the unbelievable arrogance that you self-centered douchebags bring with you that makes you hated here.

And from your post, it's quite clear that you're one of "them."


Stay out of my state, you fucking asshole, and stay in yours if it's so much cooler (a state you couldn't pay me to live in-btw...not a chance).


Fuck off, you law-breaking, disrespectful prick.

[Van]

Why yes...I have logged well into the six-digits on a motorcycle.

But unlike Van, I respect our laws. I don't "thread." It's illegal and impolite.

Such high regard for the law also applies to your totally legal dual sportin' activities too then, eh?

LOL!!

And if I saw a guy with a cali plate doing it, you can bet your fucking ass I'd cut him off.

But...but...that's vehicular manslaughter.

There Van goes with the legal terms he isn't familiar with again...it's only "manslaughter" if I time that door just right.

I believe I referred to it as "attempted vehicular manslaughter", which is what I'm calling it when somebody literally attempts to smash you with their car.

If that's incorrect, okay. Fuck 'em anyway.

And wow...you reallyreallyreally have the wrong impression of me, Vannie -- that "wrong guy" you mention...he's the one who just fucking opened his door in your path. Trust me on this one, brother...there is NO more "wrong guy" to piss of by being an asshole than me...no one. I am truly a champion for the "little guy."

No, I believe that. You're a motorcyclist, a real one. I know you know better and I suspect you'd flip out if somebody tried to take you and your woman out while riding...

Unless I'm reading you wrong, that is, and you're saying you're the asshole in the car.

And you know what else? When I get out of my car with its Oregon license plates and pound your pansy little ass into the gravel, which one of us do you suppose the witnesses are going to side with? What, exactly, do you think the cops are going to do when I tell them you cut off that little old lady ahead, and then threatened me?

Plenty of people would simply put a bullet in your face if you were the guy in the car attempting to hit them with your car for no reason.

You really are ignorant -- hate to break it to you, but it's perfectly legal to beat a californian's ass for traffic infractions...long running joke around here....seen it happen with my own two eyes, matter of fact.

It's also perfectly legal to destroy someone who attempts to hurt you and your wife. No problem, and no worries.

But, does this give you a little clue as to why people in Oregon, Washington, and other Western states hate californians? It should. You come here, and immediately attempt to show everyone how we're doing it wrong (does the term "local customs" mean anything to you), and based simply on the fact you're from california, you've got it alllll figured out, as opposed to our turnip-truck asses?

It's the unbelievable arrogance that you self-centered douchebags bring with you that makes you hated here.

And from your post, it's quite clear that you're one of "them."

Yep, I was being really arrogant, just making my way through a city streets traffic jam.

Btw, I believe the word you're looking for to describe why you hate Californians is "jealousy". We can move there, if we wish. You can't move here, 'cause most of you can't afford it here.

Stay out of my state, you fucking asshole, and stay in yours if it's so much cooler (a state you couldn't pay me to live in-btw...not a chance).


Fuck off, you law-breaking, disrespectful prick.

There's the Dins we all know and love!

(Btw, tell me you don't miss being able to legally lane split...From all your San Francisco bike culture talk I'm assuming you've gotten to ride quite a bit in California so not being able to lane split legally back in Oregon would have to be a real drag...)

[Dinsdale]

You know what, Van.

I'm not even going to respond to your stupid-du-jour.

Instead, I'm just going to take one quote from you, and leave the rest to TVO...I have a feeling he's really going to enjoy this one --

"attempted vehicular manslaughter"

YOU GO, BOYEEEE!!!!


Hold tight, Vannie -- smart people are on the way with dictionaries.



And TVO -- don't say I never did anything for you, OK? I left you some.

[Van]

Like I said, I could be wrong about what the actual crime is called, and like I also said, fuck 'em.

You're getting pretty ridiculous these days.

[Dinsdale]

I'm ridiculous?


Maybe so, but at least I know what the vast majority of the words I type on here actually mean...unlike yourself.


Ohhhkay, Vannar Esq.


I hope me pointing this out doesn't upset you to the point where you file a writ of de facto e pluribus sonny bono against me.

[Van]

You also haven't given an alternate description of the correct criminal charge, so what does it matter?

Despite your usual transparent Dinsian bluster you obviously don't know.

I guess we'll find out the correct answer now though, since I just posted the question to TVO and Terry...

[Dinsdale]

Despite your usual transparent Dinsian bluster you obviously don't know.

Oh, I know. Quite well, matter of fact. Have one on my criminal record...so I'd say I'm pretty familiar with it...dumbass.


Oh, how I know.

But why would I offer up any alternative, when yours is so funny?

You really, truly, have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

[Van]

I know this:

-You haven't offered anything but your usual bluster. Why spare us the lurid details this time, when you NEVER spare us your lurid details?

-I freely admitted I may not have the correct criminal charge pegged. I have no problem admitting this, and I have no problem asking what is the correct charge?

-I'm trying really hard to ignore your usual nonsense, since it's going nowhere in this instance. Try as you might you're not making me laugh this time so you're proving to be useless this go around.