Vanity Fair Article on Military's Response on 9-11

[Dinsdale]

These people wouldn't know what the truth is if it walked in the room, body slammed them to the floor and took a long keg-party piss right between their eyes.

You mean like the "truth" that the US wasn't putting political, economic, and military pressure on Japan by 1940, giving them two options -- either haeding back to Japan, or attacking the US? Like the "truth" that the US wasn't aiding in embargos and blockades against Japan prior to PH?

That type of "truth?"

[Tom In VA]

Sorry asshat, there is no conspiracy here...

So the 19 or so guys you say did this didn't conspire to pull it off? They just happened to think of the same plan spontaneously and without any input from each other?

You use the same logic when you came up with your "Black's are GP2V" take? How's the single digit IQ treating you gedKKKal?

I wasn't talking to you or even about the 9/11 attack.

You may go now.

He wants you to acknowledge that "conspiracies" are in fact, a fact of life.

Once you do that, then he'll twist and distort facts in order to "prove" that Pearl Harbor was indeed a conspiracy of somebody other than the Japs.

[Dinsdale]

And for the record, I'm not inclined to buy into any "massive conspicarcy" theories about PH or 9/11, until I see a WHOLE BUNCH more compelling evidence.


The US knew that the Japs would eventually bring it somewhere. I don't believe they anticipated Japan bringing the noise right up the gut, attacking the fleet where a naval strike was all-but impossible.


I believe the US government was aware for a decade that AQ was going to escalate things, and I think the Bush administration dropped the ball big time, where their predecessors didn't. But I certainly don't believe anyone who is in any way associated with the federal government, past or present(unless you count former CIA lackey OBL), was in any way complicit in the attack.


Sheesh...if you're going to brew up a conspiracy, you're going to have to do better than that.


Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

[Moving Sale]

And, when faced with unassailable proof that their beliefs are not well-founded, they simply shift gears and start bleating another ridiculous theory.

What proof? What theory have *I* shifted to? Couldn't it be said of YOU, that YOU have been shown proof that you are full of shit and have now shifted gears to this ridiculous strawman?

These people wouldn't know what the truth is if it walked in the room, body slammed them to the floor and took a long keg-party piss right between their eyes. They are lost forever. Like stupid fish with a hook hanging out of their grill mounted on a wall. They can no longer think, and they left their dignity and credibility in the pond. They stand for nothing except the degree of stupidity to which it is possible to push a human being. Push their button and you either get "Don't worry, be happy" or "Bush lied, people died."

Another Fallacious argument. Some critical thinker you are.

One would think that in view of the thousands of ridiculous conspiracy theories that have been totally debunked in recent years, the popularity of conspiracy theories would wane.

Most all CTs are independent of the other. It is a Fallacy to say that one is less likely because another has been debunked.

Most likely because the people who pimp them care less about the truth of what they are saying and more about the ideological implications the conspiracies suggest.

And your theory that it was 19 foreigners doesn’t appeal to you because you love the way Bush’s cock feels in your ass?

They cannot fathom the idea that a majority of people think their ideas are stupid.

58% is hardly a ringing endorsement for your side.

Logic and critical thought is being defeated.

By you, right here in this thread. Props moron.

[Moving Sale]

I wasn't talking ... about the 9/11 attack.

In a thread about 911, in a sentence where you said 'here or in PH,' you were not talking about 911.

Got it.

Carry on you racist fuck.

[Dinsdale]

And what else would you have had the US do? I suppose it would have been better to call the League of Nations and ask for some observers than it would have been to impose a trade embargo.

How did the United States provoke Japan to attack the United States? Why would the United States want that to happen? FDR was a war-monger itching for a fight?

Zero-to-one-hundred-and-eighty in two pages.

Nice work. Very impressive performance figures...for a car. For a guy claiming to spout "the truth"(where have we heard THAT before?)...


those figures...not so good.

[Moving Sale]

"[C]onspiracies" are in fact, a fact of life.

Gee ya think?

Once you do that, then he'll twist and distort facts in order to "prove" that Pearl Harbor was indeed a conspiracy of somebody other than the Japs.

Why would I do that? I couldn't care less if it is true or not. You might want to learn how to read at some point if you are going to keep posting on the internets.

[mothster]

Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

^^^^^^^rackable

'cept cnn would say cheney shotgunned the puppies

[Tom In VA]

Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

And Churchill stood on the roof of the Air Ministry shouting at German bombers, unabashed, unafraid, and bold.


He knew they were headed for Coventry.

[Tom In VA]

Why would I do that?

Because that's what you've always done.

[Moving Sale]

Tom,
Oh yea. Guess you are right. This must be the exception that proves the rule then eh?

[Moving Sale]

Then again, it appears that our domestic media outlets give us about two choices -- CNN says that W actually planted explosives in the WTC with his own two hands, while FOX maintains that the CiC ran into the crumbling towers and rescued a litter of puppies while Cheney cheered him on.

While this appears to be a good take, a little thinking will show that it is not that great. Either Bush knew or he didn't. If he did it matters little what his involvement was and if he didn't it matters little what he did or didn't do to stop it (negligence has no 'intent' element to it.) CNN and FOX could be a whisper away from each other in terms of Bush's culpability and if one is on one side and the other is on the other, that is all that matters. It is not a case of degree.

Nice try though tard.

[Dinsdale]

While this appears to be a good take, a little thinking will show that it is not that great.

It was actually kind of a play on the current left vs. right polarization, which has even filtered down to each side accusing certain media outlets of actually being complicit in some far-fetched conspiracies.

Dumbfuck.

[Dinsdale]

And Dins-

The 180° turn you claim to have discovered is actually an unbroken line. My take has been that any one who believes FDR conspired with anyone to get the Japanese to sink most of the Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbor is a raving lunatic. Now, the fact that I do not believe for a second that FDR did that (and I'm no FDR fan), does not mean that I do not believe that FDR wouldn't have minded much if Japan had made an overt act of war, such as threatening or attacking something of military significance closer to Japan, which they did.

Now you're just lying.

You implied (and all-but stated) that the US in no way, shape, or form incited an attack against US interests. I belive "why would they do that?" were your words.

Now, you agree that the US did just that, only after being called out for it, by numerous people, of course.

That's what people with an IQ greater than their shoe size call a "180."

[Moving Sale]

... the position that any person with an IQ greater than their shoe size would also come to upon reviewing the evidence.

Why? That is called begging the question and it is a fallacy and you know it.

Can you form a take that does NOT contain a fallacy?

But that isn't what we're talking about, and you know it.

You have a theory of what happened and you back it with a story that you admit is a conspiracy. How is that not a conspiracy theory? I don't care what you THINK those words mean or what you think other people think those words mean. It is a theory that involves a conspiracy, hence it is a conspiracy theory Period.

The conspiracy that you and the other mensa's in the 5' and under league have been touting is that Bush and Cheney and his cabal ['sup LTS TRN 2?] knew about the upcoming attack and orchestrated it into a "new Pearl Harbor" so that it would justify their zionist warmongering goals.

Zionist? I have never said anything about Zionism in relation to 911. Never. ANOTHER fallacy by you. Putting words in my mouth.
I never said Bush did it either. All I EVER said was that the story they tell makes no sense. Not the spools. Not tower 7. Not the magic plane. Not pancake theory. Not the punchout hole. Not the size of the hole at the pentagon. Not the timing of the fighters scrambling. Almost none of it.

Do I think it is all too convenient in light of the past 5 years and the quote you pulled from the PNAC doc? Sure, but that is a whole other story. Stay focused is right?

You know, the one that is completely devoid of any evidence whatsoever.

There is plenty of evidence that your Conspiracy Theory is false. I have a reasonable doubt as to it’s validity. WTF is so terrible about that?

[Moving Sale]

Dumbfuck.

You think FDR sunk the USS AZ in a kamikaze attack and then was cloned later that day with time left to rally the troops and I'M the dumbfuck?

[Dinsdale]

Dumbfuck.

You think FDR sunk the USS AZ in a kamikaze attack and then was cloned later that day with time left to rally the troops and I'M the dumbfuck?

Don't be a dumbfuck.

Karl Rove sank numerous US battleships thoughout the lead-up to WW2. He was then reincarnated as JFK, who through masterful use of disguises, actually assassinated himself. He then used his master-of-disguise skills to once again make himself look like Karl Rove, so he could then fly a couple of planes into some buildings.

You don't EVEN want to know what the motherfucker has in store for Chuck Norris.


Jeez...work on your reading comprehension, dumbfuck. I couldn't have stated that any more clearly earlier in this thread.

[Moving Sale]

You have reasonable doubts that a group of Islamic terrorists funded and trained by OBL hijacked four commercial airliners on the morning of September 11, 2001 and intentionally crashed those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.

WTC? Maybe. Did 77 hit the pentagon? I have RD that it did.

You are not supporting any other conspiracy theory. Your sole contention is that the "official" account of the September 11, 2001 attack is not true.

This sounds like a trap, but I'll play anyways*. Yes. The official account is wack.

But again, I do find it awfully convenient (in light of the last 5 years and the quote you pulled from the PNAC doc.)

*If I was on the stand I would be forced to answer so why try and screw you out of an answer with backpedaling or doublespeak? Hope you afford me the same courtesy.

[Moving Sale]

... Chuck Norris.

CN used to own a bar I worked in and I can tell you your little FDR/JKF/KR clone will get his ass handed to him on a platter if he fucks with my man Chuck who is really just a White clone of Jack Johnson who we all know was cloned from a dirty (that’s why he came out Black) communal jo rag found in a 12th Century shaolin monastery by the guy that Indian Jones was modeled after.

Did you flunk out of the same HS as mvsKKKal or what?

Jeez!

[Moving Sale]

... but you believe that the official version of the attack, which credits Islamic terrorists with using a hijacked plane to hit the Pentagon, is "wack", to use your vernacular.

Wacky Wacky, to bastardize a common phrase used here on T1B.

WTC shit is suspicious too, (WTC 7, Pancake theory, etc.) but let's stick with the pentagon.

Yes, I have RD that 77 hit the pentagon.

[Dinsdale]

Chuck Norris is tough, no doubt. Hell, the only reason mankind discovered fire and invented the wheel was because Chuck Norris threatened to roundhouse kick some serious fucking caveman ass if they didn't.


But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

There's no way in hell that Chuck Norris could EVEN think about hanging in either a roundhouse-kicking, nor a ninja-star-throwing contest with Karl Rove.

Not a fucking chance.

Dumbfuck.


Everyone knows this.

[Moving Sale]

CN used to own a bar I worked in...

A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the head would explain your condition.

He only ever kicked me in the ass. What does that do to your theory?
Oooops. Wait. Oh hey. Nevermind. :?

[Dinsdale]

A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the head would explain your condition.

Get your ninja-terminolgy straight, dude...


In karate, they refer to that as a "low-kick."

[Van]

A Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the head would explain your condition.

Get your ninja-terminolgy straight, dude...


In karate, they refer to that as a "low-kick."

Seriously uncalled for...

:blinked, read it again, then laughed:

[Moorese]

Read the Rape of Nanking.

Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for WASTING MY MOTHERFUCKING TIME! I read this FUCKING book, all excited to "sperm" to some skank Nanking's adventures with forced entry.



Nanking is a FUCKING PLACE.

I really appreciate the recommendation, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.

And the pictures SUCKED too.

[Sirfindafold]

Billy Jack would kick Chuck Norris' ass.

[War Wagon]

Sorry to bring this threads latent hilarity back into focus, but this caught my eye.

We did get caught with out pants down, because we were so damned naive as to not imagine that anything like this could ever happen.

Bullshit. People had been predicting a catastrophic terror attack of some sort for decades. For fuck's sake, it wasn't even the first time the WTC had been attacked.

I suppose clownish, provincial morons like did have your heads stuck up your asses, though.

So where was yours then, mv...if you just knew something like this was going to happen?

Were you sounding the alarm bells?

Were you Paul Revere riding across the countyside lighting torches?

I'm here to tell you... NO, you weren't, because no reasonably sane person in authority EVER suspected that insane suicidal hi-jackers would fly planes into the WTC. You may not have any authority, but you are reasonably sane, aren't you? Or are you all tin-foil hat and no cattle?

If you say that you were any different before 9/11, then YOU are a fucking LIAR who can go fuck himself.

Goddamn Monday morning armchair QB.

Sheesh, I usually lend a bit of credence to what you have to say, but the above was ridiculous.

Let's look at it another way, because I can already anticipate your response (amid the effusive name calling which you and others excel at).

If we should have known better and could've taken measures to prevent it, then WHY in hell didn't we do so?

Is it simply because that YOU, sitting at your station and idly pontificating to the blogosphere, weren't the HMFIC (Head MotherFucker In Charge) at the time?

So do tell, what would have you done differently, and just how would you have been able to accomplish that in a pre 9/11 scenario?

[Goober McTuber]

Sheesh, I usually lend a bit of credence to what you have to say, but the above was ridiculous.

Really, you lend credence to what mvscal has to say? I would think a piece of evidence could lend credence to one’s argument, but I don’t know that an individual could. Quit trying to use big words you don't understand. The only credence you could lend anyone would be:

[Diego in Seattle]

War Wagon;
You wouldn't believe the number of employees at SeaTac that are from Somalia. It would suprise me not that one of them might be sleepers. We might not have another highjacking, but it wouldn't be hard to take down an airliner in a crowded area (either by planted bomb or SAM).

The ferry system in Washington is another area that's a fat plum for terrorists. They've already been observed scoping them out, & summertime provides a potential body count of close to 1,000.

You’re saying that terrorists have been observed scoping out ferries, and nothing was done? I think you’re an idiot.

And where did I say that "nothing was done?" Mix in a RIF program, dumbfuck.

They've taken some action, but it would still be pretty easy to put an explosive device on a ferry.

[Goober McTuber]

War Wagon;
You wouldn't believe the number of employees at SeaTac that are from Somalia. It would suprise me not that one of them might be sleepers. We might not have another highjacking, but it wouldn't be hard to take down an airliner in a crowded area (either by planted bomb or SAM).

The ferry system in Washington is another area that's a fat plum for terrorists. They've already been observed scoping them out, & summertime provides a potential body count of close to 1,000.

You’re saying that terrorists have been observed scoping out ferries, and nothing was done? I think you’re an idiot.

And where did I say that "nothing was done?" Mix in a RIF program, dumbfuck.

They've taken some action, but it would still be pretty easy to put an explosive device on a ferry.

So there were terrorists scoping out ferries and some action was taken. What action was that?

[Dinsdale]

Sinking an unarmed passenger ferry would be child's play. Just sayin.

In a town with a buhzillion ferries, where every man, woman, and child owns a boat...pretty much.

[buckeye_in_sc]

I would check out Heart of A Soldier...story about Ric Rescorla an english guy who became an American Citizen and joined the US Military and was in Vietnam and was in Hal Moore's unit. He worked security at the WTC for Morgan Stanley or one of the brokerages I believe and he is widely known as the man who predicted 9/11. Discovery ran a show about him and the book is a very good read. If I remember while he worked for said brokerage in the WTC he used to run drills for the employees for what to do if something like this happened.

Many employees have said that they credit him for their lives being saved on that day. Granted the planes hit the floors above theirs, but they all evacuated promptly. Rescorla wound up perishing in the attack and I think only 5 other employees perished in the attack.

Great book and read the fucking thing before you respond I am full of shit and what not...

really my first post in the Cul De Smack so just sayin'