And then what ... ?

[Bizzarofelice]

The rest will follow suit or be dealt with.

How's that workin' out?

[indyfrisco]

The rest will follow suit or be dealt with.

How's that workin' out?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Bizzarofelice]

The rest will follow suit or be dealt with.

How's that workin' out?

America wasn't bankrupted in a day.

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[PSUFAN]

sin, Sissyroux

You mean to say SissyBlow hasn't studied the literature of the late Roman Republic?!? I have to say I'm surprised very surprised to hear that.

He just skimmed it for the buttfucking parts.

[Tom In VA]

How's that workin' out?

America wasn't bankrupted in a day.

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Well you might have an argument that the money we throw at this "problem" will eventually bankrupt us. In fact, that is part of Al Q's hope in beating us.

But again, nobody has raised a proper alternative approach. Ignoring them, didn't make them go away FantasyLandFelice.

[Bizzarofelice]

nobody has raised a proper alternative approach.

So now that mvscal is around you'll speak up? Our soldiers would be proud of you.

Alternative plan: don't invade Iraq. It had nothing to do with al-queda.


What is the current plan we're working off of? If you look at the borders of Iraq you will find many more countries that had more to do with the terrorists. If that's the case, why did we attack Iraq?

Was America trying to sandwich Iran between the puppet democracies we were building in Iraq and Afghanistan? We spent all this money on Iraq and now there's more terrorism. What was accomplished? If we just wanted a magnet for the terrorists, what gives us the right to clear out a sovereign country just to wage war in its streets against an enemy not even there?

[Bizzarofelice]

America wasn't bankrupted in a day.

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With a 12 trillion dollar economy that will happen some time in about oh, two hundred years or so give or take a few decades.

Think we'll have defeated terrorism by then?

[indyfrisco]

But they had a good run. And so shall we.

Nice edit Bace

[Tom In VA]

So now that mvscal is around you'll speak up? Our soldiers would be proud of you.

No, now that you've actually raised something interesting rather than the standard regurgitated line of bullshit, I'll speak up. But nice cunty play.

Alternative plan: don't invade Iraq. It had nothing to do with al-queda.

Couldn't contain yourself could you ? You had to crawl back into your fetid shell and revert back to that .... i.e. NOTHING

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[Bizzarofelice]

Nice edit Bace

Sorry. Didn't know you were so quick with the response. The item IF responded to, before the edit, was:
Rome wasn't destroyed in a day.

You said they had a good run, but I'd rather America have a good run from now until the sun burns us up.

Saddam was in deep with Islamist terror groups

So Saddam was so thoroughly in with them that we could overlook Iran and Syria and North Korea and the many other countries with FAR MORE TIES TO TERRORISM? No, you're busy lubing up your ass praying for a GOP cocksman to notice how good of a little lapdog you are.

Got to be another reason, retard. Got to be something bigger than Saddam had a couple terrorists in his rolodex. Keep trying. Then again, this high-powered administration has completely failed in piecing the scattered facts together into something resembling a wise policy. Why think a high school dropout could muster more?

You had to crawl back into your fetid shell and revert back to that .... i.e. NOTHING

What? We don't invade Iraq and we have plenty more resources to fight terrorism. Where is that wrong?

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has since established that both the CIA and the DIA concluded that there was no evidence to support these claims

Salman Pak, my ass.

[Bizzarofelice]

in his rhetoric after the Gulf War.

So he posed a rhetorical threat to the USA?

[Bizzarofelice]

but I'd rather America have a good run from now until the sun burns us up.

Something that will absolutely not happen if we refuse to defend our interests abroad as you suggest.

So Iraq was defending interests?

[indyfrisco]

Regardless, this isn't going to happen all at once. It is going to take decades.

As I referred to in my "Rome wasn't built in a day" comment.

Libs would prefer a 9/11 style attack every 10-15 years than us spending 20-30 years to get this shit fixed for good.

[Bizzarofelice]

So Iraq was defending interests?

Yes, Saddam Hussein was a direct and proven threat to our interests in the region

Not since '91.

especially considering that the will to continue enforcing sanctions was eroding.

Specious

[Bizzarofelice]

Regardless, this isn't going to happen all at once. It is going to take decades.

As I referred to in my "Rome wasn't built in a day" comment.

Is that why we took our time going in? Rome wasn't built in a day, but a coalition should take about 4 hours.

[indyfrisco]

I didn't realize we went into Afghanistan around noon on 9/11/2001.

[Y2K]

We spent all this money on Iraq and now there's more terrorism.

If you think the shit that's happening is because of Iraq you obviously need to wake up. This fucking Jihad has been going on for a hell of a long time, did you miss all the "history" part on purpose. Seems pretty simple and naive to sit around and do nothing passing resolutions in the UN that aren't enforced, unfortunately it isn't createing any "Peace" now is it Felice. The "just leave them alone and they won't bother us" crap is assinine and naive. Preaching a bunch of PC bullshit about the present death toll in Iraq and the enormous cost without looking at the tens of thousands of deaths and what it's already cost the Free World as well as Iraq preceeding our current operations is absolutely idiotic and myopic at best.

[Bizzarofelice]

especially considering that the will to continue enforcing sanctions was eroding.

Specious

It is a simple statement of fact.

That is not tied to the previous statement you made. The sanctions have nothing to do with America and everything to do with that little groupthink-infected failure we call the UN.

When Iraq invaded our homies we needed to intervene. When Iraq broke the UN's rules, we needed to either work through the UN or totally call out the UN for being bitches. Sadly, Bush is incapable of either of those two so he went in guns ablazin' with little thought given to why he's shooting.

Iraq = giant American failure

[Bizzarofelice]

That is not tied to the previous statement you made. The sanctions have nothing to do with America and everything to do with that little groupthink-infected failure we call the UN.

Sure it does. Who the hell do you think was enforcing the no fly zones?

On behalf of whom?

[Bizzarofelice]

Worse case scenario is a giant failure for Iraq should they decide to plunge themselves into interminable civil war.

Oh, that'll look great for us. In case of civil war, who do you think will come out on top? Forces of freedom that are so prevalent, or religious freaks that don't like us?

thousands of american dead + trillions in american money = iraqi civil war


sounds like failure.

If they ever get past their petty animosities

Petty animosity wasn't built in a day. Or year. Decade. Not in a century. Petty animosity has been hanging with them people back when they were still nomadic goat fuckers.


The UN also said "don't invade" as we were building up troops to invade. We were not acting on their behalf.

[Cicero]

Regardless, this isn't going to happen all at once. It is going to take decades.

As I referred to in my "Rome wasn't built in a day" comment.

Libs would prefer a 9/11 style attack every 10-15 years than us spending 20-30 years to get this shit fixed for good.

Nice job

[Bizzarofelice]

What exactly is al-Sadr going to do when Iran's infrastructure is smoking rubble and they become preoccupied with civil strife of their own?

So as soon as Mike Wallace gets out of there we are attacking Iran?

[M2]

A unified Iraq has tremendous potential. If they ever get past their petty animosities, they could make damn good livings for themselves and their children.

I laughed.

[Bizzarofelice]

You bet. Sooner rather than later.

How's the coalition looking these days? Can they be bribed into a state of "willing" again?

[Mikey]

You bet. Sooner rather than later.

How's the coalition looking these days? Can they be bribed into a state of "willing" again?

As soon as they get their petty animosities worked out.

[Bizzarofelice]

You bet. Sooner rather than later.

How's the coalition looking these days? Can they be bribed into a state of "willing" again?

What do we need a coalition for?

That's right. Our boys can catch bullets just as good, if not better than the French sissy army.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Our boys can catch bullets just as good, if not better than the French sissy army.

The French are better at catching them in their backs.

[OCmike]

Since none of you monkeys can post without gumming up every single fucking thread with the same pro/anti-Iraq crap that you've been throwing back and forth for at least a year now, how about if PSU creates an Iraq war forum so you can bitch to your hearts content and stop shitting on the rest of the board with the same tired spin routines.

Give it a fucking rest already.

What was the topic of this thread again?

[Neely8]

Our boys can catch bullets just as good, if not better than the French sissy army.

The French are better at catching them in their backs.

I call bullshit. The French don't have an army.......

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Our boys can catch bullets just as good, if not better than the French sissy army.

The French are better at catching them in their backs.

You know nothing about French history because you are the product of an American education.

Any more Hannity fodder you wish to drop on us, or do you want to move on to "Conservatives are under attack in America!"?

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Our boys can catch bullets just as good, if not better than the French sissy army.

The French are better at catching them in their backs.

You know nothing about French history because you are the product of an American education.

Yeah, right. The Frog's haven't been Germany's bitch for two world wars. My mistake.

Then again, you probably have a soft spot in your heart and head for the Frenchies, what with your "U.S.-lite" country having "Frog-lite" as an actual province. As I recall, you guys flipped out when they threatened to secede b/c of you guys not kowtowing to their Frenchie-ness enough.

How's it feel being the bitch of pseudo-Frenchies?

Any more Hannity fodder you wish to drop on us, or do you want to move on to "Conservatives are under attack in America!"?

1. I've never seen, read, or heard anything by Hannity. Couldn't even tell you what show he is on.

2. I'm not a "Conservative." I'm too fond of not having moralistic, Christer crap rammed down my metaphorical throat.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Then again, you probably have a soft spot in your heart and head for the Frenchies, what with your "U.S.-lite" country having "Frog-lite" as an actual province. As I recall, you guys flipped out when they threatened to secede b/c of you guys not kowtowing to their Frenchie-ness enough.

The sooner Quebec splits off, and the rest of Canada collapses, the better.

Don't ask me to shed a tear for the State.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

2. I'm not a "Conservative." I'm too fond of not having moralistic, Christer crap rammed down my metaphorical throat.

What does that have to do with being a conservative?

I'm conservative and I think Jesus was a pussy faggot.

I'm just opposed to any meddling on the part of the government in the personal lives of consenting adults, especially in the name of "morals." I'm a social libertarian, and most of the conservatives I know personally each try to justify government intrusion into personal lives at some level (drugs, alcohol, sex).

[Mike the Lab Rat]

The sooner Quebec splits off, and the rest of Canada collapses, the better.

Don't ask me to shed a tear for the State.

Oh, wait, that's right, you claim to be an anarchist.

How very 16-year-old of you.

[jtr]

Since none of you monkeys can post without gumming up every single fucking thread with the same pro/anti-Iraq crap that you've been throwing back and forth for at least a year now, how about if PSU creates an Iraq war forum so you can bitch to your hearts content and stop shitting on the rest of the board with the same tired spin routines.

Give it a fucking rest already.

What was the topic of this thread again?

Rack. The topic was if or more likely when we fail to stop them from carrying out an attack what then will we do? That's what poptart is asking. Closing all the borders for good? Allowing only americans citizens back through customs? We certainly dont want to follow in past mistakes but would you blame the gov't for suddenly gathering suspicous people into guantamano(sp)-like holding zones? Have phones and comupters tapped of every single person in this country who decdies to change their names to a muslim name? Bring in Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr in for questioning simply because of his perhaps now infamous name?

[Tom In VA]

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Pronunciation: ad-'no-zE-&m also -"am
Function: adverb
Etymology: Latin
: to a sickening or excessive degree

[The phantorino]

What does that have to do with being a conservative?

I'm conservative and I think Jesus was a pussy faggot.[/quote]

because there is a Conservative Christian Fundementalist running this crap, that's why. Before you open your yap, check out that whole Mote/Beam biblical reference.[/quote]

[Moving Sale]

You're a big fucking crybaby Moving Sale.....

I asked for a link. You got one? No? Then STFU.

[War Wagon]

because there is a Conservative Christian Fundementalist running this crap, that's why. Before you open your yap, check out that whole Mote/Beam biblical reference.

So?

What do W's personal religious beliefs have to do with prosecuting the war on terror?

Nice use of the "quote" feature, btw.

[Tom In VA]

You're a big fucking crybaby Moving Sale.....

I asked for a link. You got one? No? Then STFU.

And you're nobody of any import to me to compel me to engage in this debate once again. It's over, it's a done deal. Our perceptions of the invasion differ and there's really nothing we can do about it.

You especially, are not worth the effort in convincing, even if I could. Have a good weekend.