Ever Wonder What They're Really Thinking?

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Sure, you're familiar with the standard on-message talking points of such neocon wits as Cheney, Rummy, and the Chimp. The endlessly repeated sound bites that come to represent the Reasons, Purposes, and Plans of the neocon agenda.

How refreshing to hear one the of the inner circle neocon hawks actually speak openly and honestly. Here's a particularly slimey fellow named Ledeen speaking at a neocon cumfest entitled The Battle For Ideas In The U.S. War On Terrorism, which was gleefully convened on Oct 29 2001. With their Reichstag Fire still smoldering, and Afghanistan getting pounded as they speak, these war freaks are basically demanding an Iraq invasion immediately. Comprising this frothing forum are Newt Gingrich, James Woolsey, the "Dark Prince" Richard Pearle, an Israeli official Sharansky, and, speaking here,

Michael Ledeen:



"America is an enormously destructive country. People around the world love us and many of them dread us because we undo them every day. We undo them in every area of life, whether it is business or economics or whether it is entertainment or sports, just across-the-board.


Creative destruction is our middle name and we threaten everybody's stability. And one of the reasons that people like us are constantly upset with some of our professional diplomats is that they always stress the endless desirability of stability. Well, stability is not what we want and stability is not what the United States is about. We are one great revolutionary society in the world and we want revolution. We don't want stability. We want to bring these people down.

The fourth great weakness that we have going into this war is a failed intelligence apparatus, and a lot of that is due to various terrible things that we have done to ourselves as governments, and a lot of it has to do with the poor educational system, and a lot of it, you know, we don't travel, we don't speak languages, we don't study foreign cultures and so forth.


Okay, those are the bad things. But we have enormous strengths. We have great military power and we love to fight. Everyone should go back me--people think that Americans don't love to fight haven't studied American history. 19th century, we produced the bloodiest war in the history of the world, the American Civil War. Hell of a war."



Helluva nutjob! eh?

[Cuda]

What they really thought:

LTS TARD 2's Mom: "THIS shit never happened on MY side of the family"

LTS TARD 2's Dad: "I bet it was that goddam jigaboo milkman..."

[LTS TRN 2]

Cool it, babs, yer in recovery. Just keep moving...towards...the...light. Iraq is a Quagmire, and Lebanon a disaster. Repeat this slowly as you breath easily. Keep a journal of your progress.

[The phantorino]

Cool it, babs, yer in recovery. Just keep moving...towards...the...light. Iraq is a Quagmire, and Lebanon a disaster. Repeat this slowly as you breath easily. Keep a journal of your progress.

he can write???

[Rich Fader]

12 gauge! Apply directly to the palate!
12 gauge! Apply directly to the palate!
12 gauge! Apply directly to the palate!

[Diogenes]

The Thirties All Over Again?
Nobody Knows How This Will Proceed

By Michael A. Ledeen
Posted: Monday, July 31, 2006


Certainly there is lots of bad news, most of which confirms what we already knew: The Western world hates Israel; the taboo on anti-Semitism is off; the Western world has been P.C.’ed to the edge of death; there is no stomach for fighting the war against Islamic fascism.

I always have my doubts about “trends.” The history of 20th-century America is largely about a country that never prepared for war, and was always compelled--by our enemies--to conduct enormous crusades. It was seemingly all or nothing for us. The history of America in war, like that of most others, is largely about making enormous blunders at the beginning, and then sorting it out. Our great strength is not so much avoiding error, but the ability to recover quickly, change tactics and even strategy, and get it done. I think that applies to the three world wars in the last century.

The scary thing about our current jam is that 9/11 was supposed to have been the wakeup call, but we are again asleep. For this I blame our leaders--both the administration and the Dems. The administration is constitutionally unable to explain itself, and the Dems have no qualms about losing all present battles so long as they can elect their candidates and bring down this president.

The greatest failure of our leaders, with rare exceptions, is their refusal to see the war plain, which means Iran and Syria (might as well call them “Syran,” since they operate in tandem, with Tehran pushing most of the buttons). It was never possible to “win in Iraq” so long as we insisted on fighting in Iraq alone. You can not win a regional war by playing defense in one country. It was, and remains, a sucker’s game. Syran pays no price at all for killing our kids and our allies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now in Gaza and Lebanon/Israel.

Syran reasonably concluded that there was no price to pay for killing us, and so they predictably expanded the scope of the war. Our leaders do not see this whole; they see each component as a separate issue. They see that Hezbollah is an Iranian entity. They see Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers at work in Lebanon and Iraq. They know the best weapons in the war come through Syran and in many cases are manufactured by Syran. Any logical person has to conclude that you cannot win this war without defeating Syran.

But not a single voice comes from the White House to explain this, let alone to craft a strategy to accomplish it. The best foreign-policy speech in a long time--a lucid analysis of the threat of Islamic fascism and several excellent suggestions of how to combat it--was made two weeks ago by Senator Santorum, and yet his relatively modest bill to support freedom for the Iranian people has been vigorously contested and systematically blocked by Secretary of State Rice and Senator Richard Lugar.

Meanwhile, a collection of frauds, writing in places like Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, The New Yorker, and Mother Jones, continuously recycles a story saying that a neocon (code for “Jewish”) conspiracy duped Bush into going to war in Iraq, and is now arranging the invasion of Iran. Documented lies, like those peddled by Joe Wilson to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, are treated as reliable. Fantasies about American armed forces operating covertly in Iran, like those written by Seymour Hirsh, get taken seriously. And people like me are accused of masterminding the whole thing, even though I oppose a military campaign against Iran.

No one can doubt that this is a willful disinformation campaign, aimed at paralyzing and then destroying the president. I do not think people in the White House have ever fully appreciated their peril. I think that lack of understanding goes hand-in-hand with the failure in strategic vision that underlies our unwillingness to fight the regional war that is being waged against us.

It is the Thirties again. Many of the statements above apply to Franklin Roosevelt’s first two administrations, and to the political atmosphere of those dreadful years. Then, too, the mounting power of what became the Axis was ignored. As my father often reminded me, a few months before Pearl Harbor, at a time when Nazi armies were long since on the march, the draft passed by a single vote. Apologists for Hitler and Mussolini were legion, and some of our leading intellectuals were saying that American democratic capitalism was a failure, and we would do well to emulate the European totalitarians.

So I don’t see this moment as something unique, the result of some inner rot, or a moment on a greased skid leading to the abyss. It’s one of the many things we are. But we are many things, and we are not like the Europeans, many of whom are reviving their anti-Semitic fantasies in an effort to cope with their weakness and irrelevance.

I think, as I recently wrote, that we have been given an extraordinary opportunity by our enemies. I am disturbed at the lack of appropriate response, which in my opinion involves taking the war to Syran, mostly by political means. About a week ago a surprising number of Arab leaders said as much. I took it as a public plea to Washington to act vigorously, and an expression of the unspoken assumption that Israel would quickly destroy Hezbollah. Neither has happened, and so they are once again appeasing their own worst enemies, as are various Iraqi officials.

What did you expect? They have Syran on their borders, and we have not demonstrated the capacity to win the war.

Perhaps that will change without yet another Pearl Harbor. It looks to me like the American people would support it. I don’t yet see the necessary vision and will from our leaders.

Michael A. Ledeen is a freedom scholar at AEI.

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Nice job, Dio, in elucidating Ledeen's war-mongering insanity. Interesting that the neocons seem to be throwing Condi under the bus. Ledeen, while perhaps the most vituperatively seething of the bunch, does speak for the neocon cabal.

[The Seer]

Nice job, Dio, in elucidating Ledeen's war-mongering insanity. Interesting that the neocons seem to be throwing Condi under the bus. Ledeen, while perhaps the most vituperatively seething of the bunch, does speak for the neocon cabal.

Most people couldn't put sentences together demonstrating such buffoonery even if they were offered sizable cash rewards....

Unbelievable.

[Diogenes]

The key paragraph...

Meanwhile, a collection of frauds, writing in places like Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, The New Yorker, T1B, and Mother Jones, continuously recycles a story saying that a neocon (code for “Jewish”) conspiracy duped Bush into going to war in Iraq, and is now arranging the invasion of Iran. Documented lies, like those peddled by Joe Wilson to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, are treated as reliable. Fantasies about American armed forces operating covertly in Iran, like those written by Seymour Hirsh, get taken seriously. And people like me are accused of masterminding the whole thing, even though I oppose a military campaign against Iran.

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Yea, Dio, that's called a pathological state of denial. Ledeen is basaically one of your standard crack-pot right-wing radio hosts who just rant and spew gibberish no matter how inverted it may be from reality. No one is going to call him on anything anymore than Rusp Limpdick will be expected to back up any of his fatuous dronings. The only difference between Ledeen and the routine radio hack is that Ledeen really IS ensconced in the upper apparatus of the Bush cabal. The exerpt I provided from the 2001 meeting is astonishing not for the bellicose war-mongering--straight out of Dr. Strangelove--but rather because this lunatic really IS invited to participate in a policy shaping "think tank."

And of course he's lying about Iran. He and every member of that panal--and every neocon and Zio-fascis--want to hit Iran hard. The villification blitz against Iran is at an unprecedented level. But even a lunatic like Ledeen--or Newt--knows that it's totally out of the question. Too bad they were so stupid about Iraq.

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Dream on, Rusp-puppet.

You REALLY don't appreciate the utter incompetence of the neocon a--holes, do you? Though you can accurately tally the accruing calamity they've caused. Wow, sucks to be you. Wakey wake!

[Mister Bushice]

Dream on, Rusp-puppet.

You REALLY don't appreciate the utter incompetence of the neocon a--holes, do you? Though you can accurately tally the accruing calamity they've caused. Wow, sucks to be you. Wakey wake!

A thread like this is more likely to induce sleepy sleep. Do you ever tire of being stuck on tedious?

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What's really tedious, Bushice, is seeing more and more Americans blown to shit in a totally bogus invasion of a sovereign nation. What, nine more on Sunday?

And these same lunatic neocons have NO WHERE to turn but to froth and lie for ANOTHER illegal and disasterous attack...what, against Iran!!??

Do you find Ledeen tedious? I do. Moreover I find it utterly outrageous that such obvious nutjobs are in fact filling high positions of influence in America's current (unelected cabal) government. Don't you? Why not?

Wake the fuck up!

(And btw, you have no take on anythng--in case you thought no noticed)