Is Craig Biggio A HoFer

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:17 am

Ok, I don't want to post a poll where trolls can post their votes. I'm serious about this.

I'm a huge 'Stros fan, but I do not think Biggio has done enough to make it into the HoF. If he gets to 3,000, I think he deserves it.

So, my question is....

As of TODAY, is Craig Biggio a HoFer in your book? Say yes. Sy no. Say yes or no with a reason which is preferrable.

For me, I really cannot put him in. I grew up with bags as my favorite player and Biggio as #2 for me. I think Bags roided out and Big has really taken his place in my mind. No matter, I still don't think Big has done enough to this point to be a HoFer.

So, my questions are this, and anser them all please...

Name your team affiliation:
Is Biggio a HoFer today:
If Biggio gets to 3,000, will he be a HoFer:

My answers:

Astros
No
Yes

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:01 am

all I can say...is measure him up vs. RYNO @ 2nd base.

2nd Base Stats only.

most will remember Bigg @ 2nd Base.....forgetting that he started as a Catcher....and is now in the outfield.

Bigg will get in......eventually.

Cubs, 'Tribe
no
will be

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:11 am

Tigers
Not before Whitaker
Yep

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:42 am

will he get in? eventually

is he a hall of famer? NO

when they let Gary Carter in, it pretty much lowered the bar.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:40 am

Astros
yes
yes

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/biggicr01.shtml

Compare his numbers to everyone on the list at the bottom of the page.

Better numbers than every one of them including Alomar who just might be the best 2b ever. Better than Yount, Morgan, Sandberg, Larkin, Gehringer, etc. etc. etc.

While I agree with Adelle concerning his Carter comment, with Sandberg and Carter in there is simply no way Biggio ISN'T a lock TODAY. The numbers simply can't be argued with. And I am really not biased in this matter as I have made my frequent angst toward Biggio quite apparent over the years on these boards.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:55 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:Tigers
Not before Whitaker
Yep

RACK!

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:19 pm

Adelpiero wrote: when they let Gary Carter in, it pretty much lowered the bar.

Word.

The HoF ain't what it use to be.
Biggio isn't a Gibson, Ruth, Koufax HoF guy.
Biggio is a Sutton, Perry, Carter HoF guy.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:47 pm

Dodgers
no way
not on the first ballot. Prolly not even the second or third

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:50 pm

Yankees
Yes, but not on the first ballot
Yes (I could be wrong about this, but I don't think any member of the 3000 hit club after the turn of the last century ever has not been a first ballot HOFer)

Flawed Logic · Post by **Flawed Logic** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:49 pm

Dodgers fan here.

This is a no-brainer. Hall of Famer for sure.

Remember, Biggio played for years in a notorious pitchers' park for most of his career (Astrodome) and his numbers are still better than Sandberg and Alomar. Of the three, Biggio has the most career runs, doubles, total bases, and also has the highest on-base percentage of the three (.372). Biggio has the same fielding percentage as Alomar and a higher range factor. Biggio's 4 Gold Gloves speak to his fielding ability.

Biggio is now 9th all time in doubles, 19th in runs scored (should pass Molitor and Ted Williams this year to get to 16th), should get to 3,000 hits or damn close, 260+ homers, 400+ steals

Comparing Biggio with Gary Carter is asinine.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:33 pm

So is he a 1st ballot HOFer?

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:15 pm

Royals
Yes
Yes

Will not be 1st ballot

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:54 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:So is he a 1st ballot HOFer?

My two cents:

If he gets to 3,000 hits: yes.
If not: no.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:54 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:So is he a 1st ballot HOFer?

I guess you found a bunch of weak sucks that just want to voice a one word opinion without having any gumption to back it.

RACK my ole brothah Flawed. Nice to see ya around again...

Biggio is first ballot. Period. Now AND next year when he gets to 3000. Noone have an argument against the stats?