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Van wrote:Mucho, I'm not trying to imply anything, I'm stating it clearly, with no reservations. Georgia wasn't nearly as excited to be playing in that game as W. Virginia was, and W. Virginia doesn't get into that game if they'd had to run through the entire SEC (or Big 10, Big 12 or Pac 10) schedule just to get there.
I couldn't disagree more. Georgia just got outplayed in the first half, and then made a very spirited comeback. They could've folded when they were getting blown out, but managed a comeback, only to fall short in the end.

I don't buy that UGA really had to get up for the freaking Sugar Bowl. This is the Sugar Bowl we're talking about here, not the Schwetty Balls Bowl, for christ sakes. Plus, it's not like they were vying for a title spot, and got screwed, and then had to play through all sorts of disappointment. They pretty much ended up where they belonged.
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Mgo, that's true, but when you always are avoiding OOC cupcakes and you're always playing in the various Pigskin Classic type openers against teams like Penn State, FSU and Va Tech then you can be excused for getting lucky now and then when an Auburn rises up and receives a high ranking right when you've scheduled yourselves to play them...

It cuts both ways though. Of late USC hasn't been receiving as much credit as usual for playing...Notre Dame. When they scheduled BYU, hey, BYU was still an occasionally scary team.

The vicissitudes of CF football fortunes aside, the point is in the trying. You can try to schedule Buffalo, Northeastern and Nicholls State or you can try to schedule Va Tech, Nebraska and ND. You decide where's the honor?

To me, the choice is clear.
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They pretty much ended up where they belonged.
Exactly, which is why they went into that game with such a dispirited attitude.

Do you deny that W. Virginia never gets a sniff of that game if they'd had to play in one of the other conferences I mentioned? That is after all my point, that W. Virginia is skating by on an easy conference schedule piggybacking a total lack of ambition when scheduling OOC opponents.
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Van wrote:That is after all my point, that W. Virginia is skating by on an easy conference schedule piggybacking a total lack of ambition when scheduling OOC opponents.
WVU certainly has a weaker Conference road than most, but I wouldn't say they have a lack of ambition in OOC games. As I mentioned before, if you're a major BCS program, then would you be willing to play WVU in a series? I am sure that there aren't many. I know FSU is playing them a handful of years down the road.

If anyone is the Big East has a weak OOC it's us. We play McNeese St., FIU, UCF, Kansas, and UNC. It's a far cry from when we played Penn State and Miami last season, but this is about the only year we aren't playing a major team OOC. We have future games with Auburn, Miami (3 games left), Florida (2 games), so I can live with the shitty OOC games this year while our young players get some game experience.
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Van wrote:Do you deny that W. Virginia never gets a sniff of that game if they'd had to play in one of the other conferences I mentioned?
I'll try and leave the conjecture strategy to you for the most part, but in an honest attempt to answer your question, I certainly would never use the word "never," as it might relate to WVU's chances of having competed for a BCS game in any of those conferences. My argument against WVU was never that they're a vastly inferior team to the other schools (they have been in a solid conference for years, remember, prior to this season...this isn't Marshall we're talking here, WVU has seen plenty of big time games, and recruit blue chip talent), my argument is simply they no longer deserve to be weighed on the same scale considering who they play on a weekly basis, in contrast to who the other conferences play on a weekly basis.

If you stuck that WVU team in any of those conferences, I think it would've competed for the conference title. There are far, far too many variables involved to say boldly and conclusively that WVU would've received a berth or not. I do, however, think they would've realistically competed for the BCS representation. I absolutely do. I have the Georgia game to look at as proof. And regardless of how you want to minimize that win, it's still a win over a top tier SEC team in a huge bowl game. That's a fact in recent history you can't change, regardless of how much semantics you want to lay down in here, in an attempt to downplay its significance. You really have no way to prove how interested (or disinterested) the UGA players were in that game, therefore, by the laws instilled within me by the Gods of Logic, you have to give me the benefit of the doubt, considering a win over Georgia is the only piece of evidence we can go by in this matter.
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You do, Va Tech does, W. Virginia does, Louisville does, pretty much the whole damn lot of ya' do...

Here's a basic rule of thumb: Unless the word "State" follows the name of the state in which you reside you can't have the word "State" in your university's name and still be scheduled to play a BCS title game contender.

No McNeese States or Nicholls States or Sam Houston States. Gotta be Penn or Ohio or Michigan, something like that, something real, or you only get to play teams at your own dismal level.

Bam.

(And yeah, I know there'll be exceptions like Fresno St but fuck off, I'm rollin' here!)
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Georgia wasn't nearly as excited to be playing in that game
NEVER an excuse.
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Mgo, the other "piece of evidence" we have is the season long schedules of Georgia and W. Virginia, or Texas, or USC or Ohio State.

You can't tell me that having to wade through an entire season's worth of competitive games doesn't take more of a toll on your team than breezing through a creampuff schedule, and that this fact won't also play a part not only in your bowl game selection but also quite possibly your bowl game performance as well.

These are kids we're dealing with here. Their play on the field is going to be influenced by their mindset going into the game.

Straight up, do you see W. Virginia getting into a BCS game last year or this year if they played in the SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 or Big 10?

I don't. No way. I highly doubt you do either, if you're being honest. Is this all conjecture? Of course it is. That's all we have here. That's usually all we can ever have here. I have no problem with that. It makes for fun debate.
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PSUFAN wrote:
Georgia wasn't nearly as excited to be playing in that game
NEVER an excuse.
Yet quite often a reality.
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You don't give up, do you?

You sure are a true salesman, Van.
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Takes two to tango, Mgo.
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True, but you have to admit, I don't have nearly as much of a fixation on getting in the "last word," as you do.
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The "evidence" piling up here suggests quite the contrary.

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See?

edit: Ok Van, just post one more time, so I won't have kicked my own ass.
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No.

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You two are definitely last word freaks.
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